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Dear United States of America,
October 26th 2004, 12:59 CEST by Charles

Please don't elect George Bush a second time.

                       Love,
                       Charles
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#1 by Ashiran
2004-10-26 13:00:09
Viva Fidel!

Revolution time.
#2 by Ashiran
2004-10-26 13:00:24
Also, you can blame me for voting this in.

Revolution time.
#3 by LPMiller
2004-10-26 13:12:02
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Just for that, I"m voting for Bush. Sorry.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#4 by Comothinon
2004-10-26 13:21:02
Holy crap. Like a month of the same topics and then two pushed through within days. This is democracy!

Play Fall of Nations noobs...
#5 by Jibble
2004-10-26 13:55:30
New UAC.

убийство!
#6 by Gunp01nt
2004-10-26 13:58:02
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Yeah, I saw it a couple minutes ago. Good one. The comic is definitely catching on. Now for the fans.

There is no subliminal message enclosed in this signature
#7 by E-ph0nk
2004-10-26 14:06:26
http://www.electrophonk.be
Nice one indeed.

#8 by Marsh Davies
2004-10-26 14:38:27
www.verbalchilli.com
Will a full-size Ilene soft-toy be available in the near future?

#9 by Jibble
2004-10-26 14:41:15
We will take it into consideration.  I don't know if it will be cost effective, though, since the material and stuffing for the boobs alone will cost us a fortune.

убийство!
#10 by Anonymous
2004-10-26 14:42:02
Will she be inflatable?

#11 by Eyegore
2004-10-26 14:54:16
http://home.cfl.rr.com/eyegore/gallery.htm
I get recorded phone calls every day from democrats asking me to vote early (florida).  I'm impressed by how much effort they put into this because I haven't got a single call from republicans.  It's funny trying to guess who's going to call next.  I've got calls from Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Rev Al Sharpton, P. Diddy (funny!), and a few others I can't remember.  I've been waiting for Ben Affleck to call.
#12 by m0nty
2004-10-26 15:08:25
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Vote for Ilene for Miss America!
#13 by TheTrunkDr.
2004-10-26 15:11:20
Just for that, I"m voting for Bush. Sorry.

PLEASE, tell me you're joking?

I kid cause I care.
#14 by Jibble
2004-10-26 15:27:09
Already voted for Kerry.  Won't matter because the electoral college system is bullshit.

убийство!
#15 by LPMiller
2004-10-26 15:42:57
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Just for that, I"m voting for Bush. Sorry.

PLEASE, tell me you're joking?


That's it, now I'm voting for him twice.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#16 by Battle-Dwarf
2004-10-26 15:45:32
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
Dear United States of America,
October 26th 2004, 12:59 CEST by Charles


Please don't elect George Bush a second time.

Love,
                      
Charles





My Dear Virtual Friend Charles,

Granted.

Regards,

Battle-Dwarf

Jibs,  Jives  &  Jokes  Inc.
#17 by Jibble
2004-10-26 15:59:20
This is going to be a really weird election season.  No matter who wins, there's pretty much a guaranteed lawsuit.  There's a distinct possibility that we'll have a month-long wait like last time before we have a declared winner.  There's also the possiblity that something horrible will happen on November 2nd (terrorist attack, Bush wins, etc.).

убийство!
#18 by LoneStar
2004-10-26 16:01:27
cwcraig64@hotmail.com
Dear Charles,
 
                  I am voting for George Bush.

Love,
        LoneStar

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#19 by LPMiller
2004-10-26 16:03:04
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
A man named Lonestar voting for Bush? I'm....I'm shocked.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#20 by LoneStar
2004-10-26 16:11:18
cwcraig64@hotmail.com
:)  Yeah, go figure!

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#21 by Hugin
2004-10-26 16:13:36
lmccain@nber.org
Why?
#22 by Jibble
2004-10-26 16:14:12
Dear LoneStar,

I totally cancelled out your vote.

Love,
Jibble

P.S. If you don't make more than $200k a year, you're an idiot if you vote for Bush.

убийство!
#23 by Jibble
2004-10-26 16:15:20
In the interest of polite and interesting discourse, I too would like to know why you're voting for Bush.

убийство!
#24 by Chunkstyle
2004-10-26 16:34:39
Let's start a betting pool on when the election results will be official.  I pick January 15th.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#25 by Funkdrunk
2004-10-26 16:36:57
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
I work with some Bush supporters.  I refuse to debate them any longer.  But distilled down, here are some of the reasons on why they plan on supporting Bush:

1) I have been a lifelong republican and conservative and I cannot bring myself to support a liberal or a democrat.  As bad as Bush has been, I am more afraid of what a democrat/liberal can do.

2) I am a Evangelical Christian and Bush is a man of faith, honor and God and I have to support him.  Christians do not lie, and so any "lies" he's told weren't in fact lies.  They were statement preverted by the press, or statements that have been misunderstood.

3) The only issue I'm concerned with is the safety and security of this country, and Bush is taking the fight to those looking to hurt us.  We will be less safe with anyone else in office.

4) I belive that we cannot see the effects of a president's policies in 4 years.  We need to give any incumbent a second term to see how things will really work.

5) I am a firm beliver in this issue (fill in an issue here, abortion, stem cells, etc) and the other side doesn't agree with me, and so as long as they do not I'll keep supporting Bush outside of all of his shortcomings.

Having run into all of these arguments, I've come to the conclusion that many (not all - there are a few that will talk issues) supporters aren't supporting him for the issues.  They support him for his "values".  And that is a gap that logic cannot cross.

Funk.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
#26 by lwf
2004-10-26 16:46:33
I'm actually starting to doubt whether Bush is the greater of two evils. Frankly, both parties are wrong for everybody.

O'Toole's law: Murphy was an optimist.
#27 by Charles
2004-10-26 16:47:52
www.bluh.org
I would just like anyone who's thinking of voting for Bush to give this little link a browse.

100 Facts and 1 Opinion.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#28 by Jibble
2004-10-26 16:53:00
I usually find that linking to The Nation is the #1 way to get a Republican to ignore you entirely.

убийство!
#29 by Penguinx
2004-10-26 16:55:37
Is it wrong that number eighty-five is seen as a positive in my eyes?

85. President Bush's top legal adviser wrote a memo to the President advising him that he can legally authorize torture.

[url=http://www.uacomic.com I's stupiod fuck![/p]
#30 by LoneStar
2004-10-26 17:00:19
cwcraig64@hotmail.com
Well, first of all I am a Conservative and agree with a lot of conservative views.

Bush did make some bad decisions, I am not a fanboy of his and thinks he can do no wrong. I do believe that a lot of the future of America is protecting its borders because terrorism is not over by any means and I feel that Bush will do the best at that. I also agree with his economic policies, new jobs will rise and unemployment will drop. It is tough coming off of a boom like we had as many that read this know that has lost high paying computer jobs recently. Everything was inflated, from companies getting millions of funds for stupid ideas to inflated salaries for someone to design web pages. It had to fall and it did hard, it is taking a while to get going again.

Social issues I believe in are along the conservative line of course but a President will have very little influence on them anyway. It will ultimately be the courts that decide them with very, very little influence from elected officials.

Those are just a few of the reasons, I knew I would get challenged for writing what I did but oh well! :) I love reading views of educated others and that is what you get here most of the time. I don't post too much but read a lot of them.

Love,
        LoneStar

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#31 by E-ph0nk
2004-10-26 17:06:45
http://www.electrophonk.be
But - and read this - you CANNOT defeat "terrorism", because it's not one group of people.  These are individuals, vaguely having the same goal (but certainly not always) - and it is impossible to create a system were they cannot strike - cannot attack and cannot do the evil things they are willing to do.
And for every town that gets destroyed, and every innocent civilian that gets killed, more "terrorists" (or freedom fighters from their point of view) will rise, and they will be more determined with every move you make against them.

War on drugs, war on terrorism - same deal, you can not win it.
In both cases fighting them harder will have an opposite effect in the long run.

#32 by jjohnsen
2004-10-26 17:08:43
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Great link Charles, thanks.
I wish I would have thought to cast an absentee ballot.  I'd like to get it over with so I can tell everyone around me I've already voted for Kerry.  Everybody I work with believes they can change my mind.

i ain't got no love for the east cost
but i do love eatin butter with my toast
-DKI(ID
#33 by Charles
2004-10-26 17:09:22
www.bluh.org
I do believe that a lot of the future of America is protecting its borders because terrorism is not over by any means and I feel that Bush will do the best at that.


17. According to Congressional Research Service data, the Bush Administration has underfunded security at the nation's ports by more than $1 billion for fiscal year 2005.


20. Even though an Al Qaeda training manual suggests terrorists come to the United States and buy assault weapons, the Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the expiration of the ban.


25. More than three years after 9/11, just 5 percent of all cargo--including cargo transported on passenger planes--is screened.


29. The Bush Administration underfunded the needs of the nation's first responders by $98 billion, according to a Council on Foreign Relations study.


I also agree with his economic policies, new jobs will rise and unemployment will drop.


43. President Bush is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs--around 800,000--over a four-year term.


45. In 2000, candidate George W. Bush said "the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum." He passed the tax cuts, but the top 20 percent of earners received 68 percent of the benefits.


51. The Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the minimum wage from falling to an inflation-adjusted fifty-year low.


Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#34 by Charles
2004-10-26 17:13:05
www.bluh.org
  I usually find that linking to The Nation is the #1 way to get a Republican to ignore you entirely.


Entirely possible, but I believe that most of the people around here are at least reasonable.  And it's not an opinion piece, for the most part it's a collection of facts, with references.  It's not like a rant piece or anything like that.  I mean, sure, the opinion at the end is, but you can easily skip that.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#35 by LPMiller
2004-10-26 17:15:04
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Social issues I believe in are along the conservative line of course but a President will have very little influence on them anyway. It will ultimately be the courts that decide them with very, very little influence from elected officials.


Uh, the next president will very likely decide the bent of the Supreme court, not to mention many, many federal courts...so this is just wrong.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#36 by Jibble
2004-10-26 17:17:35
#30 LoneStar
I do believe that a lot of the future of America is protecting its borders because terrorism is not over by any means and I feel that Bush will do the best at that.

He seems to be doing a bang-up job so far.

I also agree with his economic policies, new jobs will rise and unemployment will drop.

800,000 jobs lost.  Eight.  Hundred.  Thousand.  He also gutted Social Security, and says it'll be okay because he basically thinks people should use savings accounts to fend for themselves.  Meanwhile, I'm paying into Social Security every single pay period with little hope of ever seeing any of that money ever again.

Social issues I believe in are along the conservative line of course but a President will have very little influence on them anyway. It will ultimately be the courts that decide them with very, very little influence from elected officials.

Ultimately decided by the courts, you say?  So, like, the Supreme Court?  The Supreme Court that has nine seats on it that are filled by justices that are appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate?

Chief Justice William Rehnquist was just diagnosed with and hospitalized due to thyroid cancer.  Several of those seats are coming open in the next four years, and it's going to have a severe impact on how the "social issues" you talk about are decided.  The President has more say in this than you think.

убийство!
#37 by Funkdrunk
2004-10-26 17:18:33
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
The funny thing is that GWB isn't a conservative.  Patrick Buchanan has said so much in his book Where the Right went Wrong.  Bob Barr has said so here.  Many other traditional conservatives have said so as well.  He is a new entity, a neo-con if you will.  And they're riding on people who do not know the difference.

Funk.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
#38 by Marsh Davies
2004-10-26 17:18:52
www.verbalchilli.com
FACED

#39 by Chunkstyle
2004-10-26 17:19:31
If you think the Democrats will do anything to fix Social Security you are too stupid to vote.  Not that the Republicans will do anything to make it better, either, of course.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#40 by Jibble
2004-10-26 17:19:31
#35 LPMiller
Uh, the next president will very likely decide the bent of the Supreme court, not to mention many, many federal courts...so this is just wrong.

Damn you!  Stop typing while I'm typing.

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#41 by None-1a
2004-10-26 17:19:47
Penguin yes it is. You never want to leagaly authorize torture because that leads to it becomeing the prefered method of information gathering even when unneccesary or inapproperate (for example there was zero point to the crap at Abu Ghraib). Rather you want to condone torture only after the fact when you've gotten results from it.

Now would be a good time to link the long ass atlantic article but they've made it subscriber only saving you all from that.
#42 by Jibble
2004-10-26 17:20:31
#39 Chunkstyle
If you think the Democrats will do anything to fix Social Security you are too stupid to vote.  Not that the Republicans will do anything to make it better, either, of course.

I don't think they'll fix it, but I do think they can come up with a better plan than "Durr, bluh, we'll cut taxes and you can save your own money."

убийство!
#43 by Penguinx
2004-10-26 17:23:11
None-1a, there was definitely a lack of serious opinion in my above post. The whole thing just kinda made me chuckle. I understand the ramifications of the government being alowed to torture prisoners -Something inside of me snickers, though.

[url=http://www.uacomic.com I's stupiod fuck![/p]
#44 by Funkdrunk
2004-10-26 17:30:14
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
I am going to ask two favors of my fellow crappers.

1) Let's not dogpile.  

Dogpiling has stifled political discussions on every other site on the internet.  It's good when you're attacking a troll, but when someone posts something very personal like politics, it's important that they feel that they can respond without getting jumped.

2) No invective pls.

Let's not call someone stupid until they've really said something stupid.

Funk

-- I know that I'm going to get dogpiled and called stupid for posting this, but I felt I had to try.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
#45 by Dethstryk
2004-10-26 17:31:24
jemartin@tcainternet.com
A large chunk of Bush supporters have no idea why they are voting for him. I wish I had the link, but a study was recently done showing how a large number of them were voting for Bush based on stances that he doesn't even hold.

That shouldn't be surprising. My friend's dad is voting for Bush because he's a Christian. Let's ignore the fact that John Kerry is as well, but if you're the kind of person who will vote because of that reason alone, you probably don't consider Catholics to be Christians.

There's no intelligent reason to vote for Bush. I love seeing people try and justify it.
#46 by Dethstryk
2004-10-26 17:32:05
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Also, I've never fucked a subwoofer that looks like a PS2.
#47 by Penguinx
2004-10-26 17:33:52
If you, or your business, makes +200,000/yr there is plenty of incentive. Lots of small business owners feel Bush is going to look out for them more than Kerry.

[url=http://www.uacomic.com I's stupiod fuck![/p]
#48 by Max
2004-10-26 17:33:59
http://massivebraincase.org/
The greatest propaganda victory in history will be complete if Bush wins again.  It just amazes me how normally sensible people get all wrapped up in what they see on TV and think they're making an informed, intelligent decision, when nothing could be further from the truth.  As Jibble said, unless you're a fucking millionaire, you can do no greater damage to yourself, your family, your community, or your country, than to vote for Bush.

I spent the weekend on the Washington coast, in an extremely economically depressed area, and the GWB campaign signs outnumbered the Kerry signs by about 50 to 1.  This is an area that has been directly affected by Bush economic policies over the last four years, losing jobs and services, and yet is going to vote for Bush in staggering numbers next week.  They think they're helping themselves, that voting Republican means that their values, their jobs, their healthcare, their lives are going to improve.  They've been so deluded that trying to reason with them about it is liable to get you shot.

Tokyo Rose and P.T. Barnum had nothing on these guys.

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#49 by Charles
2004-10-26 17:35:35
www.bluh.org
Apologies to LoneStar if it seems like I'm targetting him.  I just don't know how or why people can choose to vote for Bush in the face of all he's done that's bad.  It's my Canadian mindset.  We vote people out of office with little care for who takes their place.  It's a system that works.  Politicians know that they have to keep people happy or they'll be ousted in the next election.  So even a potentially bad politician will at least try and be decent cause he knows his job is at stake.  

And honestly, when I see someone reasonable like LoneStar say he's going to vote for Bush, I hope that maybe he just hasn't read about all the bad shit.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#50 by Funkdrunk
2004-10-26 17:35:59
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Deth
A large chunk of Bush supporters have no idea why they are voting for him. I wish I had the link, but a study was recently done showing how a large number of them were voting for Bush based on stances that he doesn't even hold.


That was the Program on International Policy Attitudes study.  It can be found here.

Funk.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
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