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America! Fuck Yeah!
October 18th 2004, 16:43 CEST by LesJarvis

Pretty funny shit, or at least I thought so.  Some very inspired moments.  It didn't quite live up to the standards set by the better episodes of South Park, but very clever overall.  What I can't figure out is if it's actually a satire or not.

Several critics have posited the thought that the movie skewers the left, and particularly hollywood liberals, too viciously, while giving right wing talking heads a pass (there are essentially none in the movie.)  Slate's David Edelstein makes this point rather convincingly.  While equal treatment is hardly a requirement of satire, the best satire takes a broad approach.  And Team America is arguably very narrow in it's aim.

Or is it?  Perhaps the whole premise is meant to send up right wing fanatics.  Perhaps the cocky, selfish, arrogant America on display in the film is meant to be identified with conservative militarism.

Or maybe it's just over the top for the sake of being over the top.  It's hard to argue that seeing Janeane Garofalo getting her head blown off is funny.  Ditto for Tim Robbins and Samuel L. Jackson.  And does anyone, even the craziest of right wingers, think that Michael Moore would become a suicide bomber to stop a war?  Maybe the whole excercise is meant as absurdist fantasy.

It had some hot puppet sex, at any rate, which was worth seven dollars by itself.

Your thoughts?
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#1 by KneeL
2004-10-18 16:45:37
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First post?

You could add this to the crooked vagina comic. - Jibble
#2 by gaggle
2004-10-18 16:45:40
Hurrah!

To be, turn to page 73 - from choose your own adventure Hamlet
#3 by gaggle
2004-10-18 16:45:55
Crap! You're going down man, you're going DOWN!!

To be, turn to page 73 - from choose your own adventure Hamlet
#4 by KneeL
2004-10-18 16:46:12
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UK? Fuck no!

You could add this to the crooked vagina comic. - Jibble
#5 by KneeL
2004-10-18 16:46:29
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Love you gaggle.....

You could add this to the crooked vagina comic. - Jibble
#6 by KneeL
2004-10-18 16:47:28
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So, is the film any good?

You could add this to the crooked vagina comic. - Jibble
#7 by BobJustBob
2004-10-18 16:50:30
OMG SPOILARS!

Dood.
#8 by jafd
2004-10-18 17:06:24
I haven't seen the movie yet, but after hearing all the talk, I downloaded the soundtrack, so I could find out what "America, Fuck Yeah!" sounds like.

It's pretty catchy.

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#9 by Matt Perkins
2004-10-18 17:07:51
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Yeah...  I so want to see an hour and half of retarded puppets.

"She told me to tell you to quit being such an anal-retentive pussy."- Ergo
#10 by Penguinx
2004-10-18 17:11:33
Matt Stone had an interview on NPR the other day. He said it was meant to be a send-up of action flicks more than terrorism.

Don't be a pussy.
#11 by mgns
2004-10-18 17:13:40
matt,

How many hours do you spend on pc every day?

Oh sweetheart
I'd go lengths and lengths and lengths of love
#12 by Greg
2004-10-18 17:29:50
'sup Les, long time no see.

こんにちは
#13 by Charles
2004-10-18 17:36:08
www.bluh.org
I didn't see it.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#14 by hangedmanAG
2004-10-18 17:41:14
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The movie was okay.  It was basically 20 jokes repeated over and over for an hour and a half.  If the joke was really funny, I didn't mind seeing it for the umpteenth time, but there were a couple clunkers that just fell flat, over and over.

S'right
#15 by Neo-Reaper
2004-10-18 17:45:04
neoreaper@excite.com http://octobermoon.homeip.net
I went into the movie expecting political/war satire, and ended up with a goofy spoof movie.  Probably for the best, as it was pretty damn funny.  The movie didn't really take a stance on issues, it was more a parody of the stupidity that arised because of them, such as the stereotypical views of foreigners, the faux patriotism, and all the media attention on what the hollywood stars were thinking.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but after hearing all the talk, I downloaded the soundtrack, so I could find out what "America, Fuck Yeah!" sounds like.

It's pretty catchy.

The song is going to be in my head all week.  Even better was the nine-year-olds singing it in the parking lot afterwards while their parents ushered them into the car as fast as they could.

"Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
#16 by Dumdeedum
2004-10-18 18:10:43
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Meh, I never cared for South Park so I'm completely unenthused about the film.

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#17 by yotsuya
2004-10-18 18:13:32
No plans to see it. But I did see Sky Captain last week.

All is right with the world, as long as you're gettin' some.
 -LittleWood
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#18 by Your Friend
2004-10-18 18:28:37
I actually like South Park a lot, which is why I don't understand why everything else Parker and Stone have ever done sucks, including Team America.

#19 by ProStyle
2004-10-18 18:35:28
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I wasn't very impressed or dissapointed by the movie. I concur with HangManAG and NeoReaper for the general theme of the flick. I laughed most of the film, so it gets a plus for actually being more involving than the trailer. It was very far from 'must see' comedy, however. As stated, more of the same from the South Park guys. If you compare it to the last few years of comedy releases, I'd say it trumps them all - but that isn't exactly tough to do. I was most suprised at the wealth of visual material, in each scene there really is a shitload of work that was done to put things together in a parralell puppet-world. Each scene comes across as very fleshed out and well composed, much moreso than the representational strips of construction paper in any given frame of South Park. I figured it would be fairly crappy, and they even open up the flick with a spoof-shot hinting at such.

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#20 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 18:40:09
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Americans can't do satire, only parody.  As such I wasn't surprised that it wasn't a satire.

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#21 by hangedmanAG
2004-10-18 18:44:42
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Americans can't do satire, only parody.

Wow.  That's pretty fucking stupid.

S'right
#22 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 18:50:14
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
The actual quote was probably "don't" instead of can't, but I decided to punch it up a little.  If you'd like to point me at some American satire from the last five years, knock yourself out.

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#23 by Ergo
2004-10-18 18:51:42
Nope, still stupid.

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#24 by hangedmanAG
2004-10-18 19:13:10
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I guess I could bring up Simsons, Daily Show, Onion, Saved, a dozen NPR contributors, Doonesbury, blah, blah blah.  I could even mention that parody is generally defined as satire that is imitative.

But I think that I'll just state this for the record:  the Canadian inferiority complex is sad.

S'right
#25 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 19:23:16
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I'll give you The Onion, but I honestly can't think of any Simpsons satires.  And I can only think of one or two segments on the Daily Show.  Besides, the Daily Show is a complete rip-off of This Hour Has 22 Minutes.

the Canadian inferiority complex is sad

I wasn't going to bring it up, but now I have to point out that you need Marshall Faulk to score 50 points tonight.  Inferior like a motherfucker.

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#26 by Euri
2004-10-18 19:28:16
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Ahahahlakdshflahfhahahaha This Hour Has 22 Minutes was stupid stupid stupid. The Daily Show is witty and relevant.

No cake is complete without at least one ethnic slur.
#27 by hangedmanAG
2004-10-18 19:29:34
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You're still completely ass-dumb wrong on American satire but I freely admit that while the Canadian inferiority complex is sad, my overall inferiority is even more so.

Besides, you forgetting my kicker, Jeff Wilkins!  He should be good for 30 or 40 points!

S'right
#28 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 19:35:55
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
This Hour Has 22 Minutes was stupid stupid stupid.

Are you talking about the old, glory days of 22 Minutes or the new, crappy version after everyone with a shred of talent jumped ship?  If the latter, you should watch Monday Report instead.

hmAG,

Apology accepted.

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#29 by Marsh Davies
2004-10-18 19:39:19
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Shadarr -

They use the Simpsons in media classes across the world as a prime example of cultural and social satire. Really. Every issue that has faced students of cultural criticism is acknowledged in the Simpsons.

#30 by Your Friend
2004-10-18 19:42:25

satire: Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.


Yeah, Shadarr is right.. that sure doesn't describe anything that has ever happened on The Simpsons.

#31 by Jibble
2004-10-18 19:43:14
Simpsons did it!

убийство!
#32 by LPMiller
2004-10-18 20:08:25
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Besides, the Daily Show is a complete rip-off of This Hour Has 22 Minutes.


which is a rip of of Not Necessarily the News, which is a rip off of SNL, which is a rip off of Bob and Ray.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#33 by Charles
2004-10-18 20:12:02
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Mark your calendars.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#34 by Charles
2004-10-18 20:12:53
www.bluh.org
Ahahahlakdshflahfhahahaha This Hour Has 22 Minutes was stupid stupid stupid. The Daily Show is witty and relevant.


22 Minutes with Rick Mercer is the most cutting political satire and commentary that has ever been on television.  Post Rick Mercer is like SNL.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#35 by Jibble
2004-10-18 20:15:27
#33 Charles

Wow.  Only a year late!

убийство!
#36 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 20:17:38
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Post Rick Mercer is like SNL.

Exactly, which is why the discerning viewer watches Rick Mercer's Monday Report and ignores 22 Minutes.

Have you guys seen this?
"We cannot simply suspend or restrict civil liberties until the War on Terror is over, because the War on Terror is unlikely ever to be truly over," Judge Gerald Tjoflat wrote for the panel. "Sept. 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country."

Would be nice if it were true.
We don't yet live in a society in which everyone must always go through metal detectors everywhere we go.

Spot the opperative word!

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#37 by CheesyPoof
2004-10-18 20:35:08
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It had some hot puppet sex, at any rate, which was worth seven dollars by itself.

Not as good as the puppet sex in Avenue Q, but I suppose this is easier to see.
#38 by bago
2004-10-18 20:50:34
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Team America was the best comedy I've seen in a long time.

The salmon: tasty as a snack but, when in trained Sasquatch hands, deadly as a weapon.
#39 by Shadarr
2004-10-18 21:06:13
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Team America was the best comedy I've seen in a long time.

I dunno... this might be true for me too but it's more because there hasn't been a good comedy in a long time.  It was good, but not great.

I want to know if they cut a whole plotline out, because I spent the whole movie waiting for something that would explain why Beasley the chauffeur looked like a woman in a mustache.

"Humans are conniving, vindictive jerks and children are the worst of the lot." - Euri
#40 by ProStyle
2004-10-18 21:08:04
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Only a month untill HL2 hits the shelves? The world is truly coming to an end.

Fabricated like the word absurditive
#41 by bago
2004-10-18 21:25:38
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Shadarr: true that.

The salmon: tasty as a snack but, when in trained Sasquatch hands, deadly as a weapon.
#42 by Charles
2004-10-18 21:25:50
www.bluh.org
The best part about all of this is that HL2 is gold and I cannot play it on steam as of yet.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#43 by Neale
2004-10-18 21:33:51
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You were never going to be able to. That's part of the Valve/VU lawsuit, and presumably part of the contract.

9 years later you're the fat kid with his face pressed against the window of The Industry. - crash
#44 by jjohnsen
2004-10-18 21:34:56
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So what exactly is better about Steam if the price and delivery date are the same?

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#45 by Squeaky
2004-10-18 21:39:12
#44 jjohnsen
So what exactly is better about Steam if the price and delivery date are the same?

Nothing. Charles is bitching (I assume) because even though the game has gone gold, and even though he's probably preloaded the game onto his system, he can't play it because VU are a bunch of fucktards.

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Return of the DVDs
#46 by Squeaky
2004-10-18 21:39:36
Also, no matter which way you buy it, you're still gonna need steam installed to play hl2.

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Return of the DVDs
#47 by Chunkstyle
2004-10-18 21:44:00
How will that work for people on dial-up?  Will they have to dial in while playing?

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#48 by Charles
2004-10-18 21:47:57
www.bluh.org
I realize why the case is what it is.  I just don't agree with it.

Oh well, one day a developer will have the power to release online without going through the publisher.

Last time I did that I got caught getting head in a music-intrsument store parking lot by a guy who looked a lot like Captain Lou.
-Penguinx
#49 by Your Friend
2004-10-18 21:50:14

he can't play it because VU are a bunch of fucktards


VU may be a bunch  of assholes, but the real fucktards are Valve.  They should have been aware of what the contracts allowed or didn't allow when they first made Steam-related promises to their fans.  

I won't even mention the whole promotion they backed on ATI cards for playing HL2... a year ago... and the fact that you could have saved a substantial amount of money by waiting to buy the ATI card and Half-Life 2 as separate items now rather than having bought them as a package a year ago.

#50 by Neale
2004-10-18 21:50:30
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Chunkstyle: you have to activate it, a la Windows XP.

Charles: That's what the lawsuit will ultimately decide. If Valve win, they get to use Steam to distribute on their own terms. If they lose, they have to bend over and take it from VU. Oh yeah, and surrender the HL IP to them.

Steam, for all it's flawed execution, is a fantastic idea. I just hope more developers embrace the concept.

9 years later you're the fat kid with his face pressed against the window of The Industry. - crash
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