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July 30th 2004, 16:57 CEST by Dumdeedum

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#1 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:57:45
www.bluh.org
WOOO!  FIRST TOPIC I EVER VOTED IN!

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#2 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:57:56
www.bluh.org
THE SYSTEM WORKS!

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#3 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:06
www.bluh.org
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#4 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:09
www.bluh.org
Thinking...

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#5 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:14
www.bluh.org
Thinking...

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#6 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:16
www.bluh.org
Thinking...

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#7 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:22
www.bluh.org
post

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#8 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:29
www.bluh.org
post

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#9 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:33
www.bluh.org
psot

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#10 by Charles
2004-07-30 16:58:41
www.bluh.org
TEN!

Okay, I'm done.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#11 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-30 17:00:08
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Charles already fucked this one up.  Next Topic.

"...developer should just make shit and then tell the whiners like yourself to shut the fuck up." - Charles
#12 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:02:11
www.bluh.org
mission accomplished

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#13 by Penguinx
2004-07-30 17:04:16
Jesus is a fag. I just shot a newborn baby with my handgun. Save anywhere rules.

"No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair." -General George S. Patton
#14 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:05:24
http://www.electrophonk.be
Charles is doomed.


<spooky voice>Doooooomed</spooky voice>.

#15 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:05:37
www.bluh.org
I have a vest made from real gorilla chest.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#16 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:06:26
http://www.electrophonk.be
And what I always wanted to do with this avatar:
I'm going to sing the doom song now.


doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom doom doom doom do dooom doooooom do dooom doom doom dooooooooooooom...

DOOOOOOOOOM

#17 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:06:49
http://www.electrophonk.be
done!

#18 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:07:23
www.bluh.org
you fucked up.  there's a doomity in there somewhere.

Also, I saw a guy walking around the other day with nailbunny tattooed on his arm.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#19 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-30 17:07:48
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I have a real gorilla made from vests.

"...developer should just make shit and then tell the whiners like yourself to shut the fuck up." - Charles
#20 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:08:18
http://www.electrophonk.be
Charles,

I sang the short version, and skipped the last chorus.  Sorry.

#21 by jjohnsen
2004-07-30 17:10:31
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Finished it last night, and I loved it.  Best game Caryn's ever sent me.

Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
#22 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:12:44
Do any of the programmers who frequent this board know of a good reason why Doom3 will require 2000/XP as the OS? I haven't seen a single reason anywhere which is solid enough to believe.

It wrenches my gut that I have to upgrade my gaming system to XP just to play it.
#23 by TheTrunkDr.
2004-07-30 17:15:39
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU DOING RUNNING A 9X MACHINE!!!! DEAR GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO YOURSELF!!!!

I kid cause I care.
#24 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:16:14
http://www.electrophonk.be
The suffering! The pain!

#25 by CheesyPoof
2004-07-30 17:16:19
Same shit with Thief3 too.  Pisses me off.

Plus I doub't I'll play Doom for a while.  I'll try the demo, then wait to bargin bin it.  By then I may have a new computer to play it with all visuals turned up.
#26 by Hugin
2004-07-30 17:17:59
lmccain@nber.org
You're still using Windows 9x?  Dude, it's 2004.  Forget DOOM3.

While not perfect certainly, Windows 2000/XP offer worthwhile improvements over 9x in most areas of a typical computing life, most notably stability.  Unless you have a very good, very specific reason not to upgrade (some critical legacy hardware that's incompatible perhaps), you really ought to upgrade.
#27 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:19:45
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU DOING RUNNING A 9X MACHINE!!!! DEAR GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO YOURSELF!!!!


The machines does exactly one thing. It is used to play games on and nothing else. Why would I need anything more complicated then Win98? If you only do a few things with a Win9x system they can be surprisingly stable. That system has crashed exactly twice this year. Both times from video card upgrades that didn't go exactly silky smooth. I just don't see a reason to use a forklift(XP) to remove a nail when a clawed hammer(98) does everything I need.
#28 by BobJustBob
2004-07-30 17:20:52
I finished it last night, and it sucked. I hated every minute of it and playing it was similar to the experience of having toothpicks shoved into my balls.

I'm not really sure why I played it to the end.

Dood.
#29 by Hugin
2004-07-30 17:22:11
lmccain@nber.org
Except games by definition are some of the most demanding applications you can run on your computer.  I'm also noting these video card upgrades that didn't go smoothly, XP offers significant improvements in hardware compatability over 9x as well.
#30 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:24:42
www.bluh.org
Do any of the programmers who frequent this board know of a good reason why Doom3 will require 2000/XP as the OS? I haven't seen a single reason anywhere which is solid enough to believe.


Because support costs for users using win9x would be ridiculous.  Win9x users, comprising <10% of the market, will use up 90% of the support time.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#31 by G-Man
2004-07-30 17:25:25
98 is fine for gaming.
#32 by Battle-Dwarf
2004-07-30 17:25:59
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
What is so fantastic about Doom 3?  

Are the developers doing something innovative  with the  cast shadows effect on object/models;  Are the character models less 'puppet-like'?



B D

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#33 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:28:27
I'm also noting these video card upgrades that didn't go smoothly, XP offers significant improvements in hardware compatability over 9x as well.


True, but that was more user error then compatability issue. It was caused by doing a flip flop between nvidia and ati cards without a thorough cleaning job. Both times I was foolish/too lazy to use driver cleaner after I uninstalled the previous drivers. So while XP probably would have taken it more smoothly it could also have been prevented by me.
#34 by Hugin
2004-07-30 17:30:23
lmccain@nber.org
I guess I don't understand the upsetment.  What's wrong with upgrading a nearly ten year old OS?
#35 by G-Man
2004-07-30 17:32:58
It costs money and takes time. Guys like you and me don't understand because 1) we warez it and 2) we enjoy doing things like installing operating systems. Normal people don't do those things.
#36 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:34:05
Because support costs for users using win9x would be ridiculous.  Win9x users, comprising <10% of the market, will use up 90% of the support time.


Totally believable but it adds more questions to my head. So do you think they programmed doom3 so it wouldn't function on win9x system specifically? Or do you think the game would run on a Win9x system but just be officially unsupported.

I thought there would be a valid technical reason why XP was needed. Which is why I asked for a  programmers pov. From a support side I can see why they wouldn't want to support Win9x. Funny thing is Mac and Linux purportedly have less user base then Win9x but they will be porting it to both.
#37 by E-ph0nk
2004-07-30 17:38:06
http://www.electrophonk.be
There are some functions in the os available for XP/NT only.  I can think of one: the sound architecture of the engine might require wdm drivers, and win98 doesn't support them.

I'm sucking this out of my thumb though.

#38 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:38:22
I guess I don't understand the upsetment.  What's wrong with upgrading a nearly ten year old OS?


I have one bad habit that the wife hates. If I can't see a function for something I will not buy said thing. The areas of the house I have designed are very sparse, clean, minimalist because of that. I do see the function here which is to play doom3 but it seems like such a waste. So I have to bite the bullet and spend $100 bucks on a piece of software that will cost me another $50.
#39 by Darkseid-D
2004-07-30 17:39:04
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Doom 3 needs 2k/xp because of the way its addressing the hardware.

See also "recommended memory requirements", good luck managing more than 512mbs on 98 without the virtual memory stack having kittens.

Then theres that whole annoying driver thing, and performance thing, where memory and disk throughput are much much faster under 2k/xp, not to mention OpenGL performance being much higher, oh and actually having drivers that work properly.

I for one, welcome our Xp requiring overlords.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#40 by Hugin
2004-07-30 17:39:48
lmccain@nber.org
#35 by G-Man

 1) we warez it


No, I don't.



2) we enjoy doing things like installing operating systems.


No, I don't.  I'm used to doing such things because it's part of my job, but I don't find it fun.  I'm not one those people who reinstalls every month, or six months, or every year even.  I reinstall when something becomes so munged up I decide only a clean slate will fix it, or when there's an update so significant, it would improve my computing life to a notable degree to make the change.  9x-to-200/Xp is such a circumstance.  I can understand not wanting to spend money on anything, but you know, your clothes wear out, the refrigerator doesn't magically fill itself, and the 9x kernel is well due for retirement.
#41 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:40:38
There are some functions in the os available for XP/NT only.  I can think of one: the sound architecture of the engine might require wdm drivers, and win98 doesn't support them.


The sound card I use has WDM drivers for 98x. Santa Cruz Turtle Beach for the record is the sound card I am talking about.
#42 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:40:38
www.bluh.org

Totally believable but it adds more questions to my head. So do you think they programmed doom3 so it wouldn't function on win9x system specifically? Or do you think the game would run on a Win9x system but just be officially unsupported.

I thought there would be a valid technical reason why XP was needed. Which is why I asked for a  programmers pov. From a support side I can see why they wouldn't want to support Win9x. Funny thing is Mac and Linux purportedly have less user base then Win9x but they will be porting it to both.


My main guess would be just unsupported, it could possibly run.  However, it's not unbelievable to think that the game relies on functionality only available on NT5 and higher.  But I do think it's more of the former.  Too many users are stupid, win98 is prone to problems, especially with stupid users, and every time something breaks, they'd be hollering on the support line, and wasting the publisher's money.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#43 by CheesyPoof
2004-07-30 17:40:57
What's wrong with upgrading a nearly ten year old OS?

It works and it costs money.  If you have an unused copy of XP hanging around, I'll take if off your hands.
#44 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:41:15
www.bluh.org
FFS, just warez win2k.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#45 by Battle-Dwarf
2004-07-30 17:43:21
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
Has anyone run the damn game yet in demo form?

B D

Jibs,  Jives  &  Jokes  Inc.
#46 by Charles
2004-07-30 17:46:17
www.bluh.org
I hear the demo is available here.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#47 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:47:06
FFS, just warez win2k.


Criminy, don't get your panties in a bunch. I haven't warez anything in my life and I don't plan to. I see there are probably technical reasons why and for sure there is a support issue here. That makes me feel better about upgrading but still doesn't sit perfectly. I am just not a person who thows money and or thought around extemporaneously. Sorry if my attitude about the whole thing is bothersome to you.
#48 by Hugin
2004-07-30 17:48:53
lmccain@nber.org
#43 by CheesyPoof

It works and it costs money.  If you have an unused copy of XP hanging around, I'll take if off your hands.


Of all the things in a computer that need replacing too often and cost too much, complaining about ~100 dollars once a decade (by Lurker's timetable) seems silly to me.
#49 by Lurker
2004-07-30 17:53:36
Of all the things in a computer that need replacing too often and cost too much, complaining about ~100 dollars once a decade (by Lurker's timetable) seems silly to me.


The problem isn't cost for me, well not entirely. This $100 is for one reason where the old is functioning otherwise perfectly. I am spending $100 to pay another $50 for a game I want to play. So to me it is like it is costing me $150 to play a game. In the end it shows how silly I am, because I am willing to go that far to get a chance to play this game. Maybe that is more what I am bothered by then anything. I am grown and older now yet I can still be sucked into gaming as easily if not more so then when I was younger.
#50 by Battle-Dwarf
2004-07-30 17:54:27
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
Thanks, Charles...

...but all I really want to know are the  hands-on impressions from the gamers here  (and to ignore the gushing like th' , "DOOM3 RAWKS!!1!!"  shit.

I just wanna know what's new and is Doom 3 truly 'next gen'  level stuff.


B D

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