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GTA: SA Ghetto Gaming
July 14th 2004, 20:40 CEST by Post-It

A new article on GTA: San Andreas.

"Gang member CJ returns home after the murder of his mother to the crime-riddled Los Santos to gangbang, deal dope and live out the hiphop fantasies of every 30-something man reading this page. Read. Itís beyond mental. Word."

So, who here is currently having Hip-Hop fantasies? I know I'm not and I really doubt that many on this page are either. In fact I'm actively avoiding any type of Hip-Hop fantasy, from what I gather of the reality, which is far from the bling bling world portrayed on MTV and the like.

In fact, I would imagine I am about as far from that world as I can possibly be. I have all of one black friend IRL. That being said he is one of my best friends, and as far as I can tell, he doesn't fantasize about the ghetto either. I've listened to his stories of growing up in downtown Detroit and it doesn't sound like an experience he wants to repeat.

Gang violence has been on a downward trend for the past few years according to some surverys but it also seems to be on the rise again. However, violence among black males remains at a startlingly higher rate than any other group. Not to mention the fun that is the reality of violence in LA, the game's settings.

So here we have a game whose focus is "gangbanging." Based on past experiences of GTA games I imagine the main character will deal with many shady types and go on "missions" involving murder, blackmail, drug running, prostitution, and the like. While previous games have touched, nay, reveled in these topics before there were always off one step, away in a fantasy world. A person's daily interaction with the mafia is nil.

While the mafia is portrayed in TV shows such as the Soprano's and films such as the Godfather and Scarface (which most of GTA: VC is blatantly stolen from) it is always has a fantasy world. Mafia violence in virtually nonexistent in the news. However, gang violence and hip-hop culture is awash in the media. From CNN to MTV to BET to Rolling Stone Hip-Hop culture is ever-present. It is a popular fantasy that is based in a horrible reality. Rockstar is just another company, like many others that have taken Hip-Hop culture and used it to promote their products. Or are they?

An interactive media experience is very different than a Sprite commercial with the Black Eyed Peas in it. Here is a game that will glorify, romanticize, and reward (in game) gangbanging. There will be little to no consequences, unlike the real world, as a hallmark of GTA game design is to punish the player as little as possible for failure. So here we have a game, made by a bunch of white Brits, about Inner City black/Latino culture in LA. Sure it's a fantasy, but a fantasy based upon a violent real world. Not one that has passed either, a la BF 1942, CoD, or BF: V. Gang violence is an ongoing problem across the US to this day.

So is the game condescending to those who actually live in neighborhoods in which gang violence is a daily occurrence? Exploitive? Is it encouraging? Will it further blur the lines of reality and fantasy in fragile young minds? How long before a murder is blamed on the game? There are rumors that the ERSB wants to make IDing mandatory for anyone purchasing a M+ rated game by this fall. Are they preparing themselves for a brash of criticism that will come from various media outlets regarding the game? (You know there will be and you know it will only serve to raise the profile of the game that much more, and make kids desire it more as well)

Regardless, I'm sure there will be plenty of people thinking sorry that you have to live in this everyday, but it sure is fun for me to pretend to be a thug in the safety of my suburban community! Cause there's nothing wrong with a little escapism is there?
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#1 by Shadarr
2004-07-14 20:41:13
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Hey look, I voted yes and it went on the front page.  The system works!
#2 by Trunks
2004-07-14 20:41:59
*rolls Shadarr and takes his wallet*

#3 by Squeaky
2004-07-14 20:58:31
#0 "Post-It"
So here we have a game whose focus is "gangbanging."

Uhh... I don't think this means what you think it means.

#4 by jjz
2004-07-14 20:58:59
Well, it'd be cool if I were drinking water out of a jewel-encrusted gold cup instead of an insulated mug.
#5 by Trunks
2004-07-14 21:05:51
Doom 3 gold!

#6 by Charles
2004-07-14 21:06:29
www.bluh.org
SEEN IT.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#7 by LPMiller
2004-07-14 21:07:20
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Try to keep up, Trunks.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#8 by Jibble
2004-07-14 21:08:19
I'll have you know, I have a black Friendster*.

*Stolen liberally from The Onion

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#9 by Charles
2004-07-14 21:09:53
www.bluh.org
re: topic

I'd rather see GTA done with you as a vigilante, Punisher style.  That would be far more entertaining.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#10 by hangedmanAG
2004-07-14 21:09:57
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
#0
Sure it's a fantasy, but a fantasy based upon a violent real world.

No.  A fantasy based upon a fantasy world based on the real world.  Hip-hop culture is just as imagined as the mobster world of the Godfather and the Sopranos or the westerns.

As for if the game is condescending, well all of the GTA3 games have been condescending, to some degree, to America and it's culture.  Why should they stop.

As far as I can tell, it's just another day for Rockstar North and as long as I can steal a pimped-out ride with hydraulics, I'll be happy.

S'right
#11 by Charles
2004-07-14 21:11:35
www.bluh.org
No.  A fantasy based upon a fantasy world based on the real world.  Hip-hop culture is just as imagined as the mobster world of the Godfather and the Sopranos or the westerns.


And yet, gang violence is not imagined.  It might seem that way if you live outside of a city, I suppose.  But even in Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton, there is gang violence that happens.  And this is Canada.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#12 by Trunks
2004-07-14 21:12:05
I'm just doing my part in keeping said subject in the top thread of the moment.  The SEEN IT post fills my heart with joy!

#13 by Jibble
2004-07-14 21:12:24
#10 hangedmanAG
As far as I can tell, it's just another day for Rockstar North and as long as I can steal a pimped-out ride with hydraulics, I'll be happy.

They had this in prior games, I don't see why they wouldn't include it here.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#14 by Shadarr
2004-07-14 21:14:16
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I just hope this leads to another hilariously entertaining Simpsons game.
#15 by Hugin
2004-07-14 21:19:56
lmccain@nber.org
Video games trade in every other bit of violence and sociopathy available, why not gangs?

GTA: SA doesn't bug me at that level, not what I've seen so far.  I have no interest in the game, but I'm okay with it existing.  I'd prefer a videogame world where games like it weren't so popular, but I'd like a videogame world where women wore pants and had breasts smaller than their heads too.
#16 by jjohnsen
2004-07-14 21:20:04
http://www.johnsenclan.com
But will this GTA have web swinging like the GTA clone I'm playing now?

Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
#17 by hangedmanAG
2004-07-14 21:21:21
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
And yet, gang violence is not imagined.  It might seem that way if you live outside of a city, I suppose.

I agree with that just like I agree that there were cowboys and a wild west in late 1800's of America.  I'm just say that Westerns were the invention of creative people with a varying degree of involvement in the cowboy life and turned 'The Wild West' into an imagined world based upon the real world.

What I'm saying is that the current hip hop "Gangster" mythos has been built the same way.  Few people would want to play a realistic game about urban American games because it wouldn't jibe with what they think they know from movies and music.

#13 by Jibble
Exactly.  So pull out your crayons and color me happy!

S'right
#18 by Charles
2004-07-14 21:22:57
www.bluh.org
I have nothing against the game existing, really.  At best I'm just lukewarm because I didn't like the other GTA games, and I doubt this one will really do anything different.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#19 by lwf
2004-07-14 21:23:01
If you can first find the radioactive spider and get it to bite you, then yes.

As usual, goodness hardly puts up a fight.
#20 by lwf
2004-07-14 21:24:35
But driving and killing and exploding go so well together.

As usual, goodness hardly puts up a fight.
#21 by Your Friend
2004-07-14 21:29:28
Word, g.

What up dogzz?  I can't wait to get this shizzy.  I'm gonna be bangin' it old school style down in da hood wit the NWA cranked up in my fly ass ride when I'm out creepin' on a come-up and doin' drive-bys on all the sucka ass fools my ho ass babies mommas tryin to get wit.  

Best not step or I'll pop a cap in yo' ass, beyatch.  

WESSSTSIIIIIIDEEE!!!!

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#22 by TheTrunkDr.
2004-07-14 21:31:58
I have nothing against the game existing, really.  At best I'm just lukewarm because I didn't like the other GTA games, and I doubt this one will really do anything different.

This is pretty much how I feel about it also. I think Rockstar is going to the well a little too often with their GTA series now and are starting to dilute their franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if it only sold half of what GTA:VC did, mind you that's still a crap load of games! I really think they should consider waiting on the next release though and do something at least slightly new with the next game.

I kid cause I care.
#23 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-07-14 21:32:44
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
finally, a game for hugin and his people
#24 by LPMiller
2004-07-14 21:38:47
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
That was cold, brother.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#25 by jjz
2004-07-14 21:48:52
You're right.  Rockstar could learn a lot from 3D Realms.
#26 by Your Friend
2004-07-14 21:53:55
In all seriousness....

I think the whole 'too close to home' debate regarding this is silly.   I mean, I'm sure it is too close to home for many people... and if they don't want to play it, fine; but lots of games already available fit this bill (eg: All of the Vietnam games from the point of view of a Vietnam veteran), so this is really a non-issue.

I do agree with Trunks though. I enjoyed Vice City even though it was mostly "more of the same" of GTA3, but I think that was a one-time dealie.  I haven't felt myself driven to play either of the GTA games in a long time, and if this one is largely "more of the same in Compton", I probably won't even buy it.

I've been having a ton of fun with Spider-Man 2, so I'm not completely dead to "GTA style" games.  But the web swinging brings something new and exciting to the mix rather than steal-car, smash-car, rinse-repeat.. which I could sit there and do for hours a few years ago, but not anymore.

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#27 by BobJustBob
2004-07-14 22:04:23
There should have been another GTA game last year. And there should be one every year until the end of time. There can never be enough GTA.

Also, 90% of other games should be GTA clones.

Dood.
#28 by lwf
2004-07-14 22:06:42
I had no idea GTA was so terrible.

As usual, goodness hardly puts up a fight.
#29 by Penguinx
2004-07-14 22:15:09
I would like for someone to do something innovative with the quasi-free-form gameplay style of GTA. Like a living city with similar objectives that was a FPS. That I would buy.

Gun-toting maniac.
#30 by Ergo
2004-07-14 22:16:04
#23 DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
finally, a game for hugin and his people

That's beneath even you, DKI.

British Left Waffles On Falklands
DVDs
#31 by Hugin
2004-07-14 22:20:23
lmccain@nber.org
I thought it was kind of funny actually.
#32 by lwf
2004-07-14 22:23:30
Can't hear you, too busy thinking of the children.

As usual, goodness hardly puts up a fight.
#33 by Chunkstyle
2004-07-14 22:27:05
C'mon Hugin, it's time to bust some caps in DKI's ass, or at least protest to Jesse Jackson.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#34 by Penguinx
2004-07-14 22:30:45
Jesse Jackson visited my high school senior year. My mostly white catholic-schoolmates made fun of a negro youth on an opposing basketball team by chanting, "Buckwheat" over and over again. Made me proud to have never participated in a single after school activity.

Gun-toting maniac.
#35 by Hugin
2004-07-14 22:35:21
lmccain@nber.org
Er...shut up DKI, or I'll..enh, I got nothing.

Oh wait, or I'll sicc Bill Cosby on you!  Yeah! (See, because he's all cranky now, and...oh never mind)

Really, it just doesn't bug me.  I don't want to play it, but half of pop culture seems based on white folks consuming faux-gangsta/street/pimp black stereotypes, so why stop at video games?

It's all so stupid (the tastes and psychological issues that seem to drive the content of the game industry overall), I'm just not in the mood to single out this particular stupidity today.
#36 by Chunkstyle
2004-07-14 22:35:35
My boss ran into him by the pool at a Beverly Hills hotel.  Jesse's bodyguards were rubbing him down with suntan oil at them time, but he still nodded politely to my boss' wave.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#37 by Hugin
2004-07-14 22:36:13
lmccain@nber.org
I second the suggestion made earlier to play GTA: Spiderman.  If only for the Bruce Campbell quipping.
#38 by Charles
2004-07-14 22:41:37
www.bluh.org
I laughed at DKI.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#39 by Penguinx
2004-07-14 22:44:03
What game has said to you lately, "This was a work of singular vision. It is unique, creative, and does not pander to any particular demographic for the sheer sake of profitability?"

Gun-toting maniac.
#40 by Charles
2004-07-14 22:46:04
www.bluh.org
Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#41 by Jibble
2004-07-14 22:46:49
I'm not sure about PoP since it was just another (albeit very good) platformer, but BG&E is absolutely on the list.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#42 by Penguinx
2004-07-14 22:48:02
I have not played Beyond Good and Evil, and I didn't find Prince of Persia that great. I enjoyed playing it, but not enough to place it on a pedestal.

Gun-toting maniac.
#43 by Hugin
2004-07-14 22:48:29
lmccain@nber.org
I don't mind tailoring a game to a demographic, or trying to be profitable or whatever.  I'm just tired of the tastlessness and the wallowing in sociopathy as "edgy" or "extreme" cool times.
#44 by Charles
2004-07-14 22:48:49
www.bluh.org
Warioware.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#45 by jjohnsen
2004-07-14 22:52:34
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Both of those games qualify I'd say.

Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
#46 by Jibble
2004-07-14 22:54:05
#43 Hugin
I don't mind tailoring a game to a demographic, or trying to be profitable or whatever.  I'm just tired of the tastlessness and the wallowing in sociopathy as "edgy" or "extreme" cool times.

Spider-Man 2 actually moved away from this...as a hero game it was really good...I could address tastelessness in the design of Black Cat, but from what I've seen she was pretty tasteless in the comics, too.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#47 by Penguinx
2004-07-14 22:54:12
Charles, I will concede Warioware. Hugin, from a dollars and cents perspective it's just plain easier for the industry to pander towards the Average Joe. And, apparently, the Average Joe is a complete idiot.

Gun-toting maniac.
#48 by Hugin
2004-07-14 22:56:18
lmccain@nber.org
Yeah Jibble, Black Cat was pretty faithful to the comics.  And I think Spiderman 2 isa great example of a completely commercial, branded, mass market game, that also has solid gameplay and doesn't feel the need to be an endless exercise in idiocy to be fun.
#49 by Darkseid-D
2004-07-14 22:59:51
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Rockstar could learn from 3DR?

gee, guess Broussard and Millar being creditted in Max Payne 2, published by Rockstar, doesnt suggest that.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#50 by Dumdeedum
2004-07-14 23:10:28
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Bob
There should have been another GTA game last year. And there should be one every year until the end of time. There can never be enough GTA.

It is with the greatest regret and much sorrow that I admit I agree with Bob on this one.  I hugely enjoyed GTA3, I hugely enjoyed Vice City, and I've yet to see any reason why I won't hugely enjoy San Andreas as well.

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