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Criterion Collection for Games?
July 6th 2004, 16:00 CEST by jjohnsen

Recently I was watching some of my movies that have been released by Criterion.  Criterion is in the business of from their site
gathering the greatest films from around the world and publishing them in editions that offer the highest technical quality and award-winning, original supplements.
Some of their movies are classics that have been remastered to include a cleaner sountrack, better picture, and extras that normally might not appear on a studio release.

Could Criterion (or a company like them) make money doing this with classic games.  Would you pay for a copy of Wasteland,  Quest for Glory, or Ultima if it would run on Windows XP, have a better soundtrack, and included interviews with developers, a documentary about the game and some sort of nifty packaging?
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#1 by m0nty
2004-07-06 16:03:05
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EOD.
#2 by Eric T. Cheng
2004-07-06 16:03:52
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Sure why not.

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#3 by Jibble
2004-07-06 16:08:13
I hear Dig-Dug: Critereon Collection Edition is going to have THREE different kinds of enemies instead of just two.

Awesome.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#4 by Charles
2004-07-06 16:08:18
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That would be pretty cool.  But it would probably cost far more money than critereon puts in to the movies.  On top of that, Critereon dvds run from 150% to 300% the price of a basic dvd.  Would you pay 200$ for a 15 year old game?  Not sure the business model would fly.  

This topic has a lot in common with one I wrote a few years back, Open Sourcing Old Games.  I figure a lot of the arguments there would apply here as well.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#5 by Dethstryk
2004-07-06 16:08:32
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Thanks for voting. :)

I'd love for this to happen. Compatibility mode doesn't work for everything.

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#6 by Ashiran
2004-07-06 16:08:52
Would you pay for a copy of Wasteland,  Quest for Glory, or Ultima if it would run on Windows XP, have a better soundtrack, and included interviews with developers, a documentary about the game and some sort of nifty packaging?

No, NO, NO!

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#7 by jjz
2004-07-06 16:08:53
Did the remake of Leisure Suit Larry 1 do well?
#8 by m0nty
2004-07-06 16:11:23
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A Digitally Rebastard version of Bubble Bobble with voiceovers by the two dragons would ROCK.
#9 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 16:16:55
I'd buy it if it were Ultima, but that's just because I'm a fanboy of the series and am powerless to resist.  I can't see this being very feasible from a business standpoint, though.  Assuming you could get the rights to every game at little cost, you'd still have to work on getting them to work without issue in XP.  For some game, not a problem, but for many of your classics it would take a lot of work - and the audience would be pretty small, I imagine.

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#10 by Jibble
2004-07-06 16:20:54
Three words: Betrayal at Krondor.  Remake it with updated graphics and word lock riddles without changing the gameplay or storyline and I will pay for it.

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#11 by Funkdrunk
2004-07-06 16:25:13
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Brad Wardell from Stardock has proposed just such a concept.  He was curious if anyone would be interested in Master of Magic redone.  New graphics, the SAME EXACT gameplay (controls, interface, etc) and new AI.

Personally, I would buy many of these as long as they were priced appropriately.

But I'm BIAS.  I bought Midway's Arcade Treasures for my PS2, and I'm looking forward to Volume 2.

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#12 by Charles
2004-07-06 16:25:29
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I would pay for that as well.  But it would need a full orchestral score.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#13 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 16:26:42
Well, I guess there's a point to be made in that we've all been buying new versions of Doom for years....

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#14 by m0nty
2004-07-06 16:30:20
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This is the sort of thing that encourages all those hopelessly untalented ideas men to think that they are uber leet mod creators who can remake Pong using the UT engine, just as soon as the recruit artists, sounds guys, level designers, writers...
#15 by CheesyPoof
2004-07-06 16:35:39
This sounds good, but like Charles said it would cost too much.  It would be developing a new game from scratch, and the allure of making it better with the newer tech would just crush the soul of any old game.
#16 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 16:38:48
I'd love to see Ultimas 4-7.5 done in a new engine, as long as that new engine keeps the isometric perspective and the storylines and characters intact.  Will I ever see that?  Only in my Jeetmind, which is usually a scary and dark place to be.

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#17 by Darkseid-D
2004-07-06 16:43:08
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Quake remade in the Half Life engine anyone?

How about all the "Doom" Total conversions for Quake/2/3?

Mods for new games based on old games? Like the Thief Mod for Ut2004, Generations?


The rights issues are so convoluted and messy, it would be almost impossible to do legally and with any speed. This is often why sequels get nowhere, with teams split up, IP's spread across three or four companies, publishing rights across companies and more. For examples take a look at Looking Glass and the System Shock IP, or the Quake series and the problems various Mods had, notably Generations.

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#18 by Charles
2004-07-06 16:51:08
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I would love to see Ultima 7 recreated with a more immersive world.  Something with the detail of, say, Gothic 2.  

Of course, the size of the world and amount of content would be entirely prohibitive, but I can dream.

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#19 by Greg
2004-07-06 16:53:10
I don't need any 3D shooters remade, thank you. Think *older* games that are not playable on your computer anymore.

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#20 by jjz
2004-07-06 16:54:38
I'd like to see Star Saga 1 and 2 done on the web.  And maybe they could put out #3.
#21 by jjohnsen
2004-07-06 17:06:25
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I mentioned Wasteland in #0 because I can't get teh damn thing running in XP.  I'd pay for compatibility along with some sort of making-of type thing.  I understand I'd end up paying more than the games are worth, but for a few of the games I'd love I think it would be worth it.

#22 by Jibble
2004-07-06 17:12:03
Best Buy sucks.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#23 by Hugin
2004-07-06 17:24:52
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I don't see anything in that article that would lead me to the conclusion that Best Buy sucks.
#24 by Neo-Reaper
2004-07-06 17:26:40
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That's what I was about to say.  Trying to figure out ways to make unprofitable customers more profitable is hardly underhanded or anything to that effect.

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#25 by Charles
2004-07-06 17:35:55
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Jibble just can't steal from them anymore.

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#26 by gaggle
2004-07-06 17:38:44
I'd go for a nice cup of Master of Orion 1, with new music and effects and shit.

But how about emulators? That's what I thought of when I read the topic. Instead of recoding the entire goddamn game They™ could develop an emulator that ran these old games nicely. Release a whole pack of games that are made to work with the emulator, make new content where it fits (new music, maybe new sprites or something), sprinkle interviews and behind-the-scenes stuff, and you're golden?

Well idunno.. I'm just proposing the emulator route as opposed to all the trouble of recoding the whole game. Who the fuck wants to do that. The games could be biliniearly smoothed and whatnot, and that could pretty much be it as far as graphical improvements goes.

I'm not generally a fan of old games though, fuck me if I yearn to play the original Bubble Bobble and Alcatroid or whatever the hell those games were called. Well except Master of Orion. I'd pay a bit of money for MOO1.


The idea of opensourcing the old games sounds good as well. It certainly sounds like a pleasing way to do it. Could such sourcecode be used today today? I mean, the artcontent could be useful I guess, but I can barely imagine the sourcecode for a ten year old game would be terribly relevant. And then, if the code has to be redone from scratch anyway, would it help at all to have the original sourcecode?

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#27 by Charles
2004-07-06 17:44:49
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The problem with emulating is that even if you can give an exact experience, some of the games fall flat nowadays because you are so used to newer conventions.

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#28 by Funkdrunk
2004-07-06 17:47:45
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DosBox is your friend.

Funk.

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#29 by Charles
2004-07-06 17:54:03
www.bluh.org
DosBox is overrated.

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#30 by Darkseid-D
2004-07-06 17:55:45
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Id love a remake of Paradroid 90, a new Speedball 2 (decent this time), Xenon, Ruff n Tumble, Sensible Soccer.  System Shock remade with the thief 3 (unreal) engine, Terra Nova perhaps remade with the Tribes engine (or again Unreal), Wizball, GODS, Populous 2.

Ugh, I could go on, but you get the gist.

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#31 by Neo-Reaper
2004-07-06 17:57:14
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some of the games fall flat nowadays because you are so used to newer conventions

I think a good example of that is Syndicate which was discussed a while back.  While still fun, the menu/inventory interfaces are atrocious by today's standard, and not just because of technical limitions.

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#32 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 17:58:25
Best Buy sucks because Best Buy sucks.

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#33 by gaggle
2004-07-06 17:59:30
DosBox.. ooh, I'm firing up MOO1 on that as soon as I get back home. Cool, thanks for the info funk.


Charles, yeh, old games are old and dated. I doubt I'd want to play them. But still, some would want to? Well I guess that's what the this thread is asking..
I'd choose to go the emulator-route I think, because it seems like a simple solution. If you want to recode all your titles with updated graphics and everything you're, imo, making a new game entirely (e.g. Dune 2000, something like that). Maybe there's more of a market for "Ultima 7 2004 Collectors Edition" with new models and speech and engine and everything, but to me it sounds like it's breaking the idea of relaunching an old title.

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#34 by Charles
2004-07-06 18:02:33
www.bluh.org
System Shock remade with the thief 3 (unreal) engine


Screw that.  Doom 3, maybe.

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#35 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 18:03:19
Will it have co-op play?

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#36 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-06 18:11:35
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I think games with graphical updates could be VERY interesting...  but pricing model vs. development cost seems like it will be lacking.  MoM, for instance, I'd pay full price for an updated version of that, especially if they could fix the crashing bugs, but how many would?  I think we're talking bargain titles here...

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#37 by gaggle
2004-07-06 18:13:12
#30
System Shock remade with the thief 3 engine

Really? I mean, it sounds like.. hell it sounds like a typical idea for a mod actually. I think I understand what you're getting at, but nontheless in my mind that idea sounds atrocious. It's a good idea in theory, the basic gist being System Shock but without it looking like ass. But if I imagine how long it'd take to remake SS, and you'd still be stuck with a fuckton of old gameplay elements and a story that probably isn't all that welltold by todays standards.. well I'd rather make and play a new game from scratch.
System Shock was great, I'm not complaining, but it would be uncomfortably weird, I think, to play such an updated version. Either it'd be awkward because it looks too much like the original, or it's lame because it strays too far.

Eh maybe that's just me *shrug*. I say keep SS and Terra Nova in their own engines where they belong, and make System Shock tw.. well three, and TN2, using modern stuff.

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#38 by yotsuya
2004-07-06 18:13:54
I'd buy certain games, if the basic gameplay were left alone. I'm not sure these games would cost $150-$200, though. I think $75-$100 US is the probably ceiling for such titles.

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#39 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-06 18:23:53
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so you would pay $100 for a remake of...wasteland, for instance... or some other game that is highly important to you?

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#40 by yotsuya
2004-07-06 18:33:16
I would if:

A) It was guaranteed to play on my Windows XP machine with no glitches.

B) It had a better soundtrack

C) It included interviews with developers

D) It included a documentary about the game

E) Came in some sort of nifty packaging

F) Had one or more cool collectors items like a model, toy, or something else

$100 would have to be my max, and only if I really, really liked the game

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#41 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-06 18:36:19
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A) It was guaranteed to play on my Windows XP machine with no glitches.

At least you're not asking for much...


B) It had a better soundtrack

C) It included interviews with developers

D) It included a documentary about the game

E) Came in some sort of nifty packaging

F) Had one or more cool collectors items like a model, toy, or something else

Most of this is junk for me, but if it included interviews and a documentary of the original developers and team, that would be interesting.

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#42 by Charles
2004-07-06 18:38:40
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I'd buy certain games, if the basic gameplay were left alone. I'm not sure these games would cost $150-$200, though. I think $75-$100 US is the probably ceiling for such titles.


Ehhh... they couldn't justify it at that low of a price.  It would cost more than a little money just to port the games to newer OSes, let alone doing any kind of graphical upgrades.

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#43 by Jibble
2004-07-06 18:40:31
#23 Hugin
I don't see anything in that article that would lead me to the conclusion that Best Buy sucks.

I understand not wanting people to scam rebates.  That's fine.  But when you single me out as a "problem customer" just because I prefer sale prices...that's a problem.

Although I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death my right to publicly humiliate you for saying it.
#44 by yotsuya
2004-07-06 18:43:27
I'm waiting for DKI to post "(Jibble's real name) is a problem customers at Best Buy!"

Charles-

Would the developer have to redo everything from scratch, though? Couldn't they adapt existing tech/engines to suit their projects? Just wondering.

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#45 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 18:45:19
How does a salesperson think that being rude and missing appointments is going to make them a sale?  Grrrrrr.

Also, in ten years, I'd pay for a Spiderman 2 remake.

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#46 by Charles
2004-07-06 18:53:23
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Would the developer have to redo everything from scratch, though? Couldn't they adapt existing tech/engines to suit their projects? Just wondering.


No, they'd just port the existing stuff.  Also, doing it as a mod (as you seem to be insinuating), would actually be more work than just porting it.

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#47 by yotsuya
2004-07-06 18:56:20
Well,  if that's the case, then it's just to cost prohibitive to do what Jeremy is saying. EOD.

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#48 by gaggle
2004-07-06 18:58:12
Yay, Master of Orion is working, with soundeffects and music and everything. It's been years since I've heard its pleasing midi-like tunes..

superman flying in the movies is a plot hole because there isn't any reasonable method of propulsion
#49 by UncleJeet
2004-07-06 18:58:25
...it's just to cost prohibitive...

yotsuya, go down to the Brazosport ISD and get some lessons from the Superintendent there. Maybe then, your skills will improve enough to pass TAAS.

P.S. HAR!

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#50 by Matt Perkins
2004-07-06 18:58:48
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To use MoM again...  If they updated, released it in a new box on the shelf...would people that didn't play it the first time (either age or didn't know), buy it now?  Could you resell an old game along with the newer ones at a say a $60 price point?

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