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Death of PC Gaming
June 9th 2004, 11:26 CEST by Fugazi(werking)

I know I know...this has been discussed a thousand times. We have mentioned this in countless threads. Well fuck you-I am writing a topic anyway you jaded curmudgeons.

Is PC Gaming dead?
It seems to be. It doesn't seem that long ago taht at any given moment (except maybe right after Christmas) I could think of at least half a dozen PC titles that were due out in a month or two that I was eagerly anticipating. Then it seemd to dop down to two or three...then one or two. Now it seems that there is maybe one PC title (and certainly not a PC exclusive!) that I pine for. What's happened to PC gaming?

Is it the long development cycles? -I am not sure...console games take a while too.
Is it warez in the PC scene? I don't think so. The new copy protection schemes that have prevented kill.switch and TOCA 2 from being cracked and released into the scene haven't seemed to create a bonanza of sales. Warez is pretty big in the console scene as well.
Is it because there are no PC game rentals?
Is it the endless hardware upgrade cycle? Sometimes it seems that PC gamers are trapped in some kind of hardware MMORPG where have to constantly "level up" by buying new gear in order to meet new challenges presented by developers.
Is it a result of mergers and consolidation (no pun intended) in the industry?
Is it a combination of all of these factors?

Do we need to look to European delevopers like Crytek, Egosoft and Croteam for new PC titles?
Have North American developers written us PC gamers off?
Or is this just a natural phase like the video game crash in the 80s? But even then the C64 and the Amiga computer games were thriving.

I don't want to buy a console. I don't want "Your Friend" to be right.
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#1 by lwf
2004-06-09 11:27:29
EOD. EOD.

Fear is the dark room where the devil develops his negatives.
#2 by Ashiran
2004-06-09 11:31:35
If PC gaming is dead then why is the ancient corpse that is Galleon appearing in stores right now?

I guess this means the title of "longest game in development ever" will go to DNF after all.

Shut up Jeet.
#3 by lwf
2004-06-09 11:32:11
Give me a link, I'm not going to google for something so boring.

Fear is the dark room where the devil develops his negatives.
#4 by Gunp01nt
2004-06-09 11:36:08
supersimon33@hotmail.com
PC gaming will probably not die, but the market will shrink. I think many consumers just don't want to put up with upgrading every year. You pay a couple hundred bucks for a console to play the console version of Halo/Deus Ex 2/GTAIII. A PC that can run those games at acceptable speeds costs at least 800 bucks. If people buy a new pc, they do buy a P4 3.0ghz, but with 256mb RAM and a GeForce 4 MX. Can't play games on that anymore. But it's more than great for office and internet use, and for playing a DVD.

I want a horse that ribbits and a frog that neighs... oink oink oink
#5 by lwf
2004-06-09 11:38:05
I predict the XBOX 2+ with a full OS added in will be a big success. Imagine playing console games on your PC without having to wait the 6 years for a buggy emulator. Also, you can play PC games too.

Fear is the dark room where the devil develops his negatives.
#6 by m0nty
2004-06-09 11:48:17
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
C64 4 LYF Y0
#7 by Gunp01nt
2004-06-09 11:54:10
supersimon33@hotmail.com
So instead of turning a work machine into a gaming system, we now turn a gaming system into a work machine.
And you know what, that actually makes a lot of sense for most people. If you can browse the web, check your email, or write your thesis on your console, it might mean many families will kick their PC out the door.

I want a horse that ribbits and a frog that neighs... oink oink oink
#8 by BobJustBob
2004-06-09 14:07:09
I don't want to buy a console.


That's just sad. Someone get this kid an Atari.

Dood.
#9 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 15:38:02
Anyone limiting his or herself exlusively to a pc or console(s) for gaming is missing out on some great titles.  A good game is where you find it, and platform shouldn't matter.  (I mean, I hate the PS2 an awful lot, but I love Ico.)

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#10 by Charles
2004-06-09 15:40:03
www.bluh.org
I agree with Jeet.  Minus the PS2 hate.  I have plenty of quality PS2 games and don't have an issue with the platform itself*


*Unless you are asking me as a developer, at which point I'll slather on the hate.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#11 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 15:44:38
Well, I like Kingdom Hearts as well.  My hate for the PS2 doesn't exist in a vacuum.  I hate the PS2 for being the highest selling console, and thus causing many titles to go cross-platform to it and, as a result, something that could have been fantabulous on the xbox ends up limited by the ps2 hardware.  (This can range from graphics to map sizes to save points, etc.)  It's a little bit how I feel toward the Xbox when I think about DX2.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#12 by Charles
2004-06-09 15:48:51
www.bluh.org
Kingdom Hearts is shit.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#13 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 15:51:16
Can't be.  It has Mickey.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#14 by Charles
2004-06-09 15:51:51
www.bluh.org
Are you a complete whore?

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#15 by Charles
2004-06-09 15:52:10
www.bluh.org
For the record, everything about Kingdom Hearts rocked except for the levels and combat and quests.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#16 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 15:53:59
Kingdom Hearts had a LOT of problems, no doubt.  The level design was mediocre at best, and all very small and blocky.  The gummi ship bits were horrendous and made me cry.  The back-and-forth crap you had to do near the end was annoying.

However, for a Disney buff it was a lot of fun to run around the different "worlds" - even if most of them looked like shit.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#17 by Charles
2004-06-09 16:10:10
www.bluh.org
So, I finished Chronicles of Riddick last night.  There was a seriously shitty part in the middle, but the rest of the game more than makes up for it.  One of the best games I've played in years.  

<spoilers>
The parts leading up to the ending are the most powerful I've ever felt in the game.  Earlier in the game, you fight this huge mech as a boss, and it's quite the harrowing fight.  Later on, you get recaptured and tossed in to cryo storage, from which you escape.  You are then inside the palace.  At that point, you steal one of the same type of mech that you fought earlier.  At which point, you lay waste to absolutely everything.  

The enemies scream stuff like "Fuck this!  I'm out of here!" and "They don't pay me enough for this!" and "Oh god, run!", while you tromp through hallways that are too small for the much, breaking shit off the ceiling, walls, floor.  The onboard computer is trying to help you out by giving you suggestions, then falls back to insulting you because you are obviously not listening.  Walking over enemies, smashing up the rooms (most everything is at least a little destructable), and in general, creating havoc and chaos.

It just doesn't get better than that in gaming.  
</spoilers>

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#18 by Charles
2004-06-09 16:10:50
www.bluh.org
much=mech

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#19 by Matt Davis
2004-06-09 16:16:16
http://looroll.com
I have friends and we do console swaps every-so-often so we can at least play all the killer titles on other platforms without having to buy all three consoles.

#20 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 16:19:48
As someone who was exclusively a PC gamer until his wife bought him a xBox for his 30th birthday, I can say that I have bought more console games than PC games in the past year, and in many cases have decided to buy or wait for the xBoxx version. It's just easier that way. No more "I gotta upgrade so I can play <insert game here>." The only PC game I am waiting for is HL2.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#21 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 16:28:14
Well, you don't *have* to upgrade to play the latest game.  You only usually *have* to upgrade (assuming your machine is semi recent) if you want to play the game with all its bells and whistles.  Since, for example, the Xbox version of Doom3 will have fewer of said bells and whisltes than the pc version with everything turned on and maxed out, all you're really doing with the xbox version is playing the same game that you'd play on your pc if you chose not to upgrade.

This all makes perfect sense in my head, I assure you.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#22 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 16:29:38
I understand what you're saying, Jeet. I'm just saying that it seems like there's less headaches with the xBox versions.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#23 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 16:33:03
Hmmmm... I guess others think console gaming might be dying, as well:

Nintendo Develops New Home Game Console

TOKYO (AP) - Nintendo Co., which dominates the portable video-game machine market, said Wednesday it is developing a new home game console code-named "Revolution" in an apparent attempt to catch up with rival Sony Corp. (SNE), which makes the PlayStation 2 console.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata refused to give details, saying he feared competitors will steal the plan, but said a prototype, which will be shown next year, will deliver "new ideas" for entertainment and won't be merely a more powerful version of its current Game Cube machine.

Iwata reiterated his view that Nintendo should not follow the strategy of Sony, which is working on a more powerful chip to drive its next home game machine.

He said the gaming industry is reaching a dead end as its past formula for success - dazzling consumers with more sophisticated imagery - no longer works. Game sales have been declining for years in Japan, and growth has been slowing even in the more solid U.S. market, he said.

 
"What we need is not a next-generation machine but a next-generation way of playing games," Iwata told reporters at a Tokyo hotel. "We need to propose a new idea so that the game industry can overcome its current crisis."


That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#24 by Chunkstyle
2004-06-09 16:33:31
Also, the XBox version of Doom3 has the extra bell of co-op, so bad example.  (Yes, I realize Caryn is working on the pc co-op, but it's not announced yet.)

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#25 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 16:35:51
I was talking about things that you'd need to upgrade for.  Co-op is not among them.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#26 by Chunkstyle
2004-06-09 16:38:09
Anyway, pc gaming won't die until the consoles improve their mmog offerings.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#27 by Charles
2004-06-09 16:39:08
www.bluh.org
hahahahahahhahaha

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#28 by Jibble
2004-06-09 16:42:56
#16 UncleJeet
The gummi ship bits were horrendous and made me cry.

Possible responses:

1) But everyone wants Galaga on their loading screens, no?
2) The first time I entered one of those levels, my eye sockets let out a puff of air as my eyes burrowed their way to the back of my skull so they could kill each other.

Kids today have so many advantages I never had.  There's no telling what I could've accomplished with a home computer and a handgun.
Crapsifter v0.2 beta
#29 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 16:48:32
"Mr. and Mrs. Larkin, our guidance counselors would love to have a talk with you after today's conference to discuss young Jibble's future. By law, you need to attend, so please do."

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#30 by Jibble
2004-06-09 16:57:15
I do so love it when people mention my last name on the internet, thus linking my screen name to my real name.

Kids today have so many advantages I never had.  There's no telling what I could've accomplished with a home computer and a handgun.
Crapsifter v0.2 beta
#31 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-06-09 16:57:32
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
`sup mr. larkin

Intergalactic Turnip Festival Destroyer
#32 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 17:00:16
Hell, they can get your first name from this post you yourself made: RE: Wedding presents

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#33 by Greg
2004-06-09 17:00:43
Or the website he used to write for.

-DKI(ID
#34 by yotsuya
2004-06-09 17:01:12
Fucking DKI. I have to wipe the tear from my eye.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
The NEW Official PCMLB League Page
#35 by "Ex-S Woo"
2004-06-09 17:13:35
leew5@earthlink.net www.peachprincess.com
About that Nintendo article...wouldn't shrinking sales be more due to the shrinking teenage population in Japan more so than a design flaw of how games are designed? (well...unless you consider designing games aimed mostly at a teenage audience a design flaw...)
#36 by Charles
2004-06-09 17:34:05
www.bluh.org
Nintendo is just trying to dig themselves out of the very large hole they've created.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#37 by Jibble
2004-06-09 17:43:41
#32 yotsuya
Hell, they can get your first name from this post you yourself made: RE: Wedding presents

See, the difference is in legwork involved.  If I wanted to use my real name here, you'd see it somewhere near the picture of the rat.

Kids today have so many advantages I never had.  There's no telling what I could've accomplished with a home computer and a handgun.
Crapsifter v0.2 beta
#38 by Charles
2004-06-09 17:50:42
www.bluh.org
Okay Jon Larkin aka Jibble.  

Sorry, Charles Randall aka Charles is having trouble figuring out why you care.

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#39 by Jibble
2004-06-09 17:56:00
Jibble cares because he doesn't necessarily enjoy the idea that people can now look him up in the phone book and call him.  Also, he doesn't necessarily want this site to come up every time someone google's him.

Oh so wacky Jibble, wishing for his privacy to not be violated.

Kids today have so many advantages I never had.  There's no telling what I could've accomplished with a home computer and a handgun.
Crapsifter v0.2 beta
#40 by Charles
2004-06-09 17:57:20
www.bluh.org
Well, you own a domain.  I could send you mail if I wanted to, I bet.  Shall we all race to a whois in order to find it?

"I'm not asking for much; just a job that meets the minimum legal requirements set forth by my country."
#41 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 17:58:14
My real name is readily available and I haven't received a single unsolicited Planetcrap phone call.  I think you're making the mistake of assuming people give a shit.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#42 by Ergo
2004-06-09 17:59:50
Whay would I want to call any of you cretins? It's bad enough that you post here.

British Left Waffles On Falklands
DVDs
#43 by Ryslin
2004-06-09 18:01:26
(waves piece of paper)
Well this thread killed that hope entirely. I wonder if this is the primary google response for your name now?

Zang! Who is that, running over the desert! It is Ryslin, hands clutching a bladed baseball bat! And with a spectacular grunt, her voice cometh:

"I'm going to spank you beyond mortal comprehension, then bake cookies!"
#44 by Jibble
2004-06-09 18:02:35
#40 Charles
Well, you own a domain.  I could send you mail if I wanted to, I bet.  Shall we all race to a whois in order to find it?

Again, legwork.  Also, it doesn't contain my correct current address nor my correct phone number.

#41 UncleJeet
My real name is readily available and I haven't received a single unsolicited Planetcrap phone call.  I think you're making the mistake of assuming people give a shit.

When you have a psychotic ex-fiancee who has been trying to track you down for the past year and a half, then we can have a conversation about who gives a shit.

Kids today have so many advantages I never had.  There's no telling what I could've accomplished with a home computer and a handgun.
Crapsifter v0.2 beta
#45 by Greg
2004-06-09 18:03:51
Remembering the Dolomite email spam  and the incident where Xero or DS called some PC poster's mom.

-DKI(ID
#46 by Ryslin
2004-06-09 18:05:29
(waves piece of paper)
It's a good idea not to date psychotic women. This comes from a psychotic woman, so listen damnnit!

Zang! Who is that, running over the desert! It is Ryslin, hands clutching a bladed baseball bat! And with a spectacular grunt, her voice cometh:

"I'm going to spank you beyond mortal comprehension, then bake cookies!"
#47 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 18:06:00
When you have a psychotic ex-fiancee who has been trying to track you down for the past year and a half, then we can have a conversation about who gives a shit.


I've had a lot more than one psychotic ex-girlfriend, usually hopped up on any number of chemicals, trying to track me down and show up in the most damaging of places.  Does that count?

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#48 by Ergo
2004-06-09 18:06:17
#45 Greg
Remembering the Dolomite email spam  and the incident where Xero or DS called some PC poster's mom.

It was Ds.

British Left Waffles On Falklands
DVDs
#49 by UncleJeet
2004-06-09 18:06:53
I'm confused though, how posting your name here reveals your ultimate secret identity and the lair of your batcave.  Seems to me that all it does is connect your real name to jibble.  SPOOKY!

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#50 by Ryslin
2004-06-09 18:08:00
(waves piece of paper)
Wait, you mean his name isn't really Jibble. Damnit!

Zang! Who is that, running over the desert! It is Ryslin, hands clutching a bladed baseball bat! And with a spectacular grunt, her voice cometh:

"I'm going to spank you beyond mortal comprehension, then bake cookies!"
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