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Games as a fun creative medium?
April 2nd 2004, 17:36 CEST by Eyegore

It's sad to say that the only thing that really does this for me right now is 'The Sims', but I've been bored of that for a long time.  Others would be 'Roller Coaster Tycoon' and 'Sim City' except that SimCity is much more micromanagement than creative.  Same thing with Railroad Tycoon 3.  Grand Theft Auto touches on it with it's 'emergent gameplay' where you can make your own game of trying to get across town by roof surfing cars.  I'm a big fan of FPS games but I can only take so much twitch before I look elsewhere.  The two games I'm looking forward to most right now are 'The Movies' which I hope will hit the nail on the head for what I'm looking for and of course 'The Sims 2', but is that all there is to look forward to?  And isn't it interesting these two big creative games I mentioned (The Sims, Roller Coaster Tycoon) are among the few games that are most popular among women?
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#1 by Charles
2004-04-02 17:39:57
www.bluh.org
where did this come from

Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.
#2 by Charles
2004-04-02 17:40:41
www.bluh.org
Play Deus Ex.

Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.
#3 by Bailey
2004-04-02 17:49:21
Can we start offering critiques on topic submissions now?

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#4 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-04-02 17:50:39
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Creative games make people creative, creative people write fan fiction, fan fiction makes baby Jesus weep.

"Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
#5 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-04-02 17:51:43
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#3 by Bailey

Can we start offering critiques on topic submissions now?


You mean you ever failed to?

"Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
#6 by mgns
2004-04-02 17:53:44
Did we get to vote on this one, or was it pushed through?

(...the colon. BAHAHAHAHAHA!)

"If you want sperm that produces Nobel Prize winners you should be contacting people like my father, a poor immigrant tailor. What have my sperm given the world? Two guitarists!" - Biochemist George Wald, on being solicited for a semen sample by William Shockley's sperm bank for Nobel Prize-winning scientists.
#7 by CheesyPoof
2004-04-02 18:06:25
If you want games and creative to go together I might suggest a level editor or something similar.  NWN is supposed to be good with respect to that.

On other news Ebert gave Hellboy 3.5 stars (out of 4).
#8 by gaggle
2004-04-02 18:28:16
What was that game called.. with the trains, and busses, and airplanes, and ships and shit. A Tycoon game.. Something Something Tycoon Deluxe I think. You could build large four-lane trainstations, and you could get subsidiaries by connecting specific plants to specific towns. And as time went on you got better and better vehicles available and whatnot. Oh the hours I spent on that game.

I.. don't know where I'm going with that.

Creative games, as you call them, must've died out when the english language simply ran out of words to append after "Sim". Jee-zus some weird Sim games hit the market. Would Civilization and Age of Empires and stuff like that be considerd part of the "Creative Games" genre? (let's define "creative games").
#9 by Bailey
2004-04-02 18:30:37
Transport Tycoon.

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#10 by gaggle
2004-04-02 18:30:38
A carriage return could've been handy to seperate the bashing of old sim titles from the question pertaining to the genre.
#11 by lwf
2004-04-02 18:30:58
SimAnt!

For the next time you must redefine something.
#12 by gaggle
2004-04-02 18:31:36
Yeah that be the one!, thanks upon ye sir
#13 by UncleJeet
2004-04-02 18:47:20
Nocturne?

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#14 by Greg
2004-04-02 18:50:07
No.

-DKI(ID
#15 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 19:12:40
Bailey-

I voted yes for your topic because I have an interesting story to share.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#16 by CheesyPoof
2004-04-02 19:14:32
I voted yes too despite the fact that I can't figure out how it's topic #666 (and I use the web interface).
#17 by lwf
2004-04-02 19:26:08
It's 666 if it's goes through.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#18 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 19:35:07
So then why is it showing up as topic id #907?

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#19 by Bailey
2004-04-02 19:35:38
yotsuya

I voted yes for your topic because I have an interesting story to share.

That's the idea!

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#20 by Bailey
2004-04-02 19:36:21
Squeaky

That's total PC topics or something. If you go to Unread Posts, and you've read all the posts, it will tell you that we currently have 665 topics on PC.

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#21 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 19:36:37
In fact, we've already had topic #666

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#22 by Bailey
2004-04-02 19:36:44
A result of the ratification of the PC union or somesuch thing.

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#23 by CheesyPoof
2004-04-02 19:37:41
There have been a little over 900 topcis, but not all of them made muster (voted in).  The next will be the 666 topic published on PC.
#24 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 19:38:02
Someone kick Squeaky's ass for ruining the fun.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#25 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 19:38:14
#20 Bailey
Squeaky

That's total PC topics or something. If you go to Unread Posts, and you've read all the posts, it will tell you that we currently have 665 topics on PC.

oh

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#26 by lwf
2004-04-02 19:42:18
And there's a difference between topics and threads, I just don't get it.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#27 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 19:45:15
Jeez. I went and read that thread that Squeaky linked. It's the one that drove Xero away.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#28 by Bailey
2004-04-02 19:48:31
Eh, he's still around.

My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
#29 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 19:49:44
Well, it wasn't what I said it was. Nevermind.

I've seen him post once, which is too bad, because he had some interesting insights. I didn't always agree with them, but hey, that's what makes this place great.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#30 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 19:51:39
And this was the best post from that thread:

"I'm listening to Stryper's "To Hell With The Devil," and it has me in tears. I love Christian rock!"

Guess who said it?

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#31 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 20:02:00
#30 yotsuya
And this was the best post from that thread:

"I'm listening to Stryper's "To Hell With The Devil," and it has me in tears. I love Christian rock!"

Guess who said it?

So where the hell is our Smash TV mod!

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#32 by Sgt Hulka
2004-04-02 20:07:54
What is Sexual Harassment? <- Take the Quiz and see if you know!

#33 by chris
2004-04-02 20:13:38
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
#31 Squeaky
So where the hell is our Smash TV mod!

Right Here

Though of course it's unlikely it'll ever be finished.

-chris
#34 by CheesyPoof
2004-04-02 20:17:15
Well the important thing is that they have a website.
#35 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 20:19:42
#33 chris
#31 Squeaky
So where the hell is our Smash TV mod!

Right Here

Though of course it's unlikely it'll ever be finished.

-chris

I like the fact that all the screenshots are of the Super Smash TV.

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
dvds
#36 by Dethstryk
2004-04-02 20:29:33
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I didn't say anything about the Stryper song, did I? Because I rock out to that song.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#37 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 20:31:53
That was you.

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#38 by Dethstryk
2004-04-02 20:36:11
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Yay!

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#39 by Eyegore
2004-04-02 20:38:39
http://home.cfl.rr.com/eyegore/gallery.htm
Neverwinter Nights:
I bought it the day it came out, eager to get my hands on the editor an start creating my own adventures.  After a few weeks of trying to learn c programming without a manual I gave up in disgust.  I've worked in other game editors, make my own quake2 maps, etc...but the keyword is -worked-.  You have to admit there isn't much fun in working in game editors.

Roller Coaster Tycoon:
You design and build your own park.  You do the layout and and place the rides and in the end you have a real working work of art that's all your own, and yet it's a game at the same time.  That's what I'm talking about.

The Sims:
You can design and build the houses if you want, or just furnish them.  You create the people and watch or guide them as they evolve.  It's all about creating your own thing that's unique, and again it's a game not an editor.  You create while you play, and the two blend together in a way that's very satisfying.

The Movies:
If you believe the hype this game will let you pick sets and populate them with actors and props, create stories and film them machinima style to be exported in various media formats for others to view...while being  sim-type game at the same time.  If this is to be believed, it's the the holy grail of the creative game.

I predict that like The Sims, this will be popular with the ladies because it focuses on creativity rather than twitch or micromanagement.  I think this might be a key point that some game company marketing people would be very interested in if it turns out to be true.
#40 by Hugin
2004-04-02 20:39:22
lmccain@nber.org
The sexual harassment article is too heavy handed and lame to be funny.
#41 by Dethstryk
2004-04-02 20:39:54
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I think the Unreal engine is great for creating maps now, thanks to a bit of ease on the complex stuff. Thanks, static meshes! Now, if I only had time to create maps.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#42 by Eyegore
2004-04-02 20:41:01
http://home.cfl.rr.com/eyegore/gallery.htm
Congrats to me for getting my first submission voted to the main page within 24 hours of posting it.  And thanks to whoever voted it in.
#43 by Charles
2004-04-02 20:43:15
www.bluh.org
You have to admit there isn't much fun in working in game editors.


Hope you don't have aspirations of being a game developer, then.

Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.
#44 by lwf
2004-04-02 20:44:18
I remember a movie-maker game years and years ago on my buddy's brand new packard bell PC. It sucked. We tried to make a porn. It was around the time of Betrayal at Krondor, because that game came with the computer, and we couldn't get it to work.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#45 by lwf
2004-04-02 20:44:59
Gore - You can thank Gabe. (!)

For the next time you must redefine something.
#46 by yotsuya
2004-04-02 20:50:53
Little Wood-

Did you make a DOS boot disk? Turn on (or off) XMS memory?

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#47 by Squeaky
2004-04-02 20:54:46
#46 yotsuya
Little Wood-

Did you make a DOS boot disk? Turn on (or off) XMS memory?

Reinstall DirectX.

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
dvds
#48 by lwf
2004-04-02 21:00:41
At the time I was fairly void of computer knowledge. The movie game was pretty neat though, ahead of it's time probably.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#49 by Gabe
2004-04-02 21:02:31
http://www.dartpublishing.com
#45 lwf
Gore - You can thank Gabe. (!)

He can, but I had nothing to do with this topic getting voted in.
#50 by LPMiller
2004-04-02 21:09:00
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Well, it wasn't what I said it was. Nevermind.

I've seen him post once, which is too bad, because he had some interesting insights. I didn't always agree with them, but hey, that's what makes this place great.


I agree, though he won't believe it. I also think he's a great game player too.  But I think he hates me.

Patriots don't need grammar or spellings for rid the world and tyranny. - Leslie Nassar, 3/28/2004
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