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January 14th 2004, 02:09 CET by m0nty

The February 2004 edition of Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine (EGM) carries a photo manipulation to help illustrate a cheat sheet for SOCOM II. The image is a line-up of Russian soldiers, edited to make it seem as if they are all holding SOCOM II boxes. Roman Stepanov, who titles himself as a "journalist" at gun-lover Web site called The Guns Network and also appears at AK-47.net, "the home of the AK-47", discovered that the original pic is of real Russian soldiers holding photos of dead comrades. This caused outrage at the Guns Network, as well as many other war-loving boards like the wargamer haunt Battlefront. Many angry letters were fired off by military fanbois and war veterans. There is the inevitable petition, started by a bunch of Operation Flashpoint fans who ranted for 16 pages about it. EGM's board reacted with initial horror, although it was alleged that many of the posts were from n00bs. An EGM employee said on the board: "Yes, it was a mistake to do that. Someone in our art department had a good idea for an image, but definitely picked the wrong source material."

What does ZDNet do? Issue a copyright cease & desist letter for sites hosting the image scanned from the magazine. Specifically, it was sent out by the following person, who may be the most hated person in gaming right now: Tara Garfinkle, intellectual property manager at Ziff Davis Media (phone her in New York at 212.503.3554, fax on 212.503.3560, or email). Roman is not a man to be messed with, however, and he sent back a letter of his own threatening all sorts of retribution from outraged war vets, vengeful widows, John Paul Getty III, Spetsnaz and possibly the Russian mafia. Halfway down this page Tara is credited with sending out a conciliatory letter, but as is said further on, it may be too late to stop this becoming a PR disaster.

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#1 by Fragaday
2004-01-14 02:12:36
I voted No* and it appeared on the front page!




*Yes

Eyyyyy, PatchUP coming soon - its GoingUP for games, baby!
#2 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-01-14 02:16:30
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
SECOND POST

Still the leader of the DKDLFDDKE (Death Killer Defense League For The Defence of Death Killers Everywhere)
#3 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-01-14 02:16:42
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
THIRD POZT

Still the leader of the DKDLFDDKE (Death Killer Defense League For The Defence of Death Killers Everywhere)
#4 by Warren Marshall
2004-01-14 02:17:43
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Big woop and stuff.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
#5 by Matt Perkins
2004-01-14 02:18:28
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
The new first post sucks.


As for this topic...where's the goods?  If she already apologized, what's the deal?

"Good, good. Now, and here is where I'm going with this - I'll be fucked if I can remember how to farm."
- LP
#6 by lwf
2004-01-14 02:20:14
She's a stupid slut!

Doctor digger found a room full of arms
And now there’s just a dog that barks
Chained to a one-man trailer park
#7 by Duality
2004-01-14 02:20:32
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I love it!

ZiffDavis will be responsible for the first Russo-American International Incident since the Cold War!

#8 by Jibble
2004-01-14 02:22:03
Video games and their supplemental advertisements often insensitive and offensive materials.  I guess that's all we can say about that.

What the hell was Favre thinking with that pass?

Sometimes when I'm in a difficult situation I ask, "What Would Jesus Do?"  And always a little voice inside me answers, "Well, he probably wouldn't try to cram *another* corpse into the crawl-space, moron."
#9 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-01-14 02:22:31
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
hey m0nty ur topic pushed my topic off the front page and for that im gonna FUCK U UP BITCH

Still the leader of the DKDLFDDKE (Death Killer Defense League For The Defence of Death Killers Everywhere)
#10 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-01-14 02:23:02
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
ur post makes no sense jibble learn 2 type

Still the leader of the DKDLFDDKE (Death Killer Defense League For The Defence of Death Killers Everywhere)
#11 by Duality
2004-01-14 02:23:05
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
More topics!

#12 by Jibble
2004-01-14 02:25:12
That post has an invisible Go-tard "contain"...see if you can find it!

Sometimes when I'm in a difficult situation I ask, "What Would Jesus Do?"  And always a little voice inside me answers, "Well, he probably wouldn't try to cram *another* corpse into the crawl-space, moron."
#13 by jafd
2004-01-14 02:26:02
I wonder what Lloyd Bonafide would say.

Ask me about your mother.
#14 by lwf
2004-01-14 02:26:22
You missed #4 Jibs

Doctor digger found a room full of arms
And now there’s just a dog that barks
Chained to a one-man trailer park
#15 by BobJustBob
2004-01-14 02:29:36
I voted yes for this because I've got a thing for redheads, but what are we supposed to discuss? I'm sure there will be a few people who try to defend ZDNet, and there will be a big flame war with lots of ad hominems and strawmen, and in the end one side will give up out of pure exhaustion. But this is just "Hey, look at this shitty thing this magazine did, and then look at the shitter thing that the publisher did to cover it up. Sucks, huh?" and we all agree and go back to talking about KOTOR for the billionth time. I say enough is enough.

Let's talk about Steel Battalion instead.

Dood.
#16 by Chunkstyle
2004-01-14 02:46:56
Steel Battalion is no KOTOR.

Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
 -Woody Allen
#17 by Hugin
2004-01-14 02:52:40
lmccain@nber.org
Steel Battalion:  Too expensive, and turns your living room into the ultimate "I will never know the touch of a woman." zone.
#18 by Dethstryk
2004-01-14 02:55:10
jemartin@tcainternet.com
The editor already apologized for this.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#19 by Darkseid-D
2004-01-14 02:56:25
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Yes, but what about that late goal by Julian Dichov?

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#20 by Ergo
2004-01-14 02:58:03
Who?

Cogite tute.
DVDs
#21 by jjohnsen
2004-01-14 03:13:49
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Let's talk about Steel Battalion instead.


I'd like to try it out, but it feels funny to spend more on a game than I did for the console it is being played on.

-Jeremy
#22 by lwf
2004-01-14 03:16:59
Mechs are boring.

Doctor digger found a room full of arms
And now there’s just a dog that barks
Chained to a one-man trailer park
#23 by G-Man
2004-01-14 03:30:54
I don't think it was such a bad thing to do. I don't see how it is any different than Nintendo's current \"Who are you?\" advertising campaign. I don't think that the use of doctored photos in either case is particularly interesting, original, or effective.
#24 by Duality
2004-01-14 03:36:27
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Okay ... you don't see the difference between people superimposing faces of Nintendo characters over their own pictures and a magazine superimposing the SOCOM II boxart over the portraits of fallen soldiers at a war memorial?
#25 by Your Friend
2004-01-14 03:50:01

I don't think it was such a bad thing to do.


It was a stupid and insensitive thing to do.  If the pictures had been of American soldiers killed in Iraq or victims of 9/11, the mainstream media would be jumping all over this and people would be calling for someone's head.

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#26 by G-Man
2004-01-14 04:06:59
Duality in #24 said:
Okay ... you don't see the difference between people superimposing faces of Nintendo characters over their own pictures and a magazine superimposing the SOCOM II boxart over the portraits of fallen soldiers at a war memorial?
Check out the Nintendo campaign. They superimpose Mario's head on someone sitting atop the Berlin Wall during its fall. Same thing basically.
#27 by Jibble
2004-01-14 04:09:31
The fall of the Berlin Wall was a positive event.

Sometimes when I'm in a difficult situation I ask, "What Would Jesus Do?"  And always a little voice inside me answers, "Well, he probably wouldn't try to cram *another* corpse into the crawl-space, moron."
#28 by G-Man
2004-01-14 04:13:06
And memorializing fallen comrades isn't?
#29 by Jibble
2004-01-14 04:14:54
Have you been to a memorial service lately?  As uplifting as it is, it's still a sacred event.  If someone took a picture of my grandmother's tombstone and photoshopped an advertisement on it, I'd be pretty pissed off too.

Sometimes when I'm in a difficult situation I ask, "What Would Jesus Do?"  And always a little voice inside me answers, "Well, he probably wouldn't try to cram *another* corpse into the crawl-space, moron."
#30 by lwf
2004-01-14 04:15:00
Nope.

Doctor digger found a room full of arms
And now there’s just a dog that barks
Chained to a one-man trailer park
#31 by BobJustBob
2004-01-14 04:19:42
Just remember: I predicted this.

Dood.
#32 by Sgt Hulka
2004-01-14 04:41:56
Since I've actually worked for Ziff Davis in one form or another, I'd like to offer the following:

The other day I went to the local religious book store where I saw a "Honk if You Love Jesus" bumper sticker. I bought it and put it on the back bumper of my car and I'm really glad I did. What an uplifting experience followed! I was stopped at the light at a busy intersection, just lost in thought about
the Lord, and didn't notice that the light had changed. That bumper sticker really worked! I found a lot of people who love Jesus. Why, the guy behind me started to honk like crazy. He must love the Lord because pretty soon he leaned out his window and yelled, "Jesus Christ!" as loud as he could. It was like a football game with him shouting, "Go, Jesus Christ, Go!" Everyone else started honking too, so I leaned out my window, waved and smiled to all these people.

One guy was waving to me in a funny way, with only his middle finger stuck up in the air. I asked my two kids what that meant and they kinda squirmed, looked at each other, giggled and told me that was the Hawaiian good luck sign. The guy must have been from Hawaii himself because he was yelling something about "Sunny Beach" to me. So I leaned out the window and gave him the Hawaiian good luck sign back.

A couple of people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and were walking toward me. I bet they wanted to pray, but just then I noticed the light was green and I stepped on the gas. A good thing I did because I was the only driver to get across the intersection. I looked back at them standing there. I leaned way out the window, gave them a big smile and held up the Hawaiian good luck sign as I drove away.

Praise the Lord that sharing my love for Jesus made all those folks so happy.

All you need to understand is everything you know is wrong.
#33 by Sgt Hulka
2004-01-14 04:55:46
Farts speak louder than words

All you need to understand is everything you know is wrong.
#34 by "Brand clarification guy"
2004-01-14 05:20:02
ZDNet = owned by CNet Networks (along with Gamespot, CNet.com, News.com, Downloads.com, etc.)

Ziff Davis Publishing = EGM, CGW, PC Mag, 1Up, Extreme Tech, etc.

ZDNet and Ziff Davis Publishing no longer have anything to do with each other except sharing some similar letters.
#35 by LPMiller
2004-01-14 05:27:52
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
And memorializing fallen comrades isn't?


Yes, all soliders like togetogether and hold up pictures of their freshly dead buds. Afterwords it's wine, women and hookers for everyone!  It's so like the fall of communism, I have to wonder why others aren't seeing your for the genius you are.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#36 by Neo-Reaper
2004-01-14 06:01:35
neoreaper@excite.com http://octobermoon.homeip.net
I think G-Man is doing his "playing devil's advocate as a way of studying" thing again.

"Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
#37 by None-1a
2004-01-14 06:07:46
I think it's more along the lines of 'doing what BobJustBob told him too'
#38 by crash
2004-01-14 06:23:04
What I don't understand is how making an unspecified-amount donation to a domestic veterans' organization somehow makes amends for insulting Russian soldiers. Did I miss the "We became a world government" meeting? Odd, to say the least.

What disturbs me more is that someone in a public position like Ms. Garfinkle knows as little about law as she apparently does, especially when said personage is using the law like a blunt instrument.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#39 by BobJustBob
2004-01-14 07:34:30
I have better taste in movies and different taste in games, and suddenly I'm on G-Man's level? Fuck that.

Dood.
#40 by Bailey
2004-01-14 07:50:19
Has someone photoshopped Mario's head onto that picture of the Vietnamese soldier blowing away another guy? That'd be hilarious. I bet no one's ever thought of that. I'm a genius. BAM BAM BAM OH GOD YOU'RE REALLY SLAMMING THE TOILET SEAT ON MY HEAD/NECK.

Life without shame.
#41 by lwf
2004-01-14 07:53:29
I didn't watch my buddies die face down in the muck just to put up with this shit, man.

Doctor digger found a room full of arms
And now there’s just a dog that barks
Chained to a one-man trailer park
#42 by Bailey
2004-01-14 08:01:14
So due to the recent slow release schedule, I tried installing Divine Divinity again, and even after the 1.34 patch (which is pretty much final, as the site hasn't been updated since Dec 02), the game is still crashing steadily ever half hour to an hour. Nothing harsh, just a blip, black screen, hey, there's my desktop, right in the game! Neat!

Anyway, since this thread was dead before it got to the launch pad, I just wanted to throw this out there as an informal poll of what's preferable: strictly linear RPGs (such as Final Fantasy) or grotesquely sprawling semi-sandbox operations such as the aforementioned DD? As a qualifier, ignore the goofy name and crippling bugs, and take the game as what it was intended to be rather than the final product.

Life without shame.
#43 by Squeaky
2004-01-14 08:12:02
I prefer somewhere in the middle, enough freedom to make it seem open-ended while still leading me down a path. Kinda like Fallout.

If masturbating was s'posed to be cute, pink bunnies would do it in meadows and they'd ejaculate rainbows and flower petals
dvds
#44 by Bailey
2004-01-14 09:09:39
That's the same got-damn thing you monkey. I didn't say "putrid mess ala Morrowind", I said semi-sandbox! Wasteland would be a better example, but Fallout is probably one more people can compare with some hands-on experience.

Life without shame.
#45 by jafd
2004-01-14 09:12:05
I'm very happy with multiple linear paths. Ideally, they are subtly balanced so that one can attempt each path in whatever order they like, with varying degrees of difficulty, depending on which order you do them in.

You know, like, Wizardry.

Ask me about your mother.
#46 by Squeaky
2004-01-14 09:12:18
#44 Bailey
That's the same got-damn thing you monkey. I didn't say "putrid mess ala Morrowind", I said semi-sandbox! Wasteland would be a better example, but Fallout is probably one more people can compare with some hands-on experience.

I've never played DD, so that was probably the cause for confusion.

If masturbating was s'posed to be cute, pink bunnies would do it in meadows and they'd ejaculate rainbows and flower petals
dvds
#47 by E-ph0nk
2004-01-14 09:42:31
http://www.electrophonk.be
Just got a new videocard yesterday (Asus Radeon 9600XT) - didn't have much time to play around with it yet, but there seems to be one small problem, maybe someone (msdN?) knows the solution.

The "transition" effects that XP uses to make it's menu's appear (start menu, rightmouseclickmenu etc) doesn't seem right, and all my menus have a long delay before they appear.  Is this a problem with the driver? (I downloaded the latest from the ATI site) - or something that I have to change somewhere?

Do I need to reinstall directx?

*sigh*
#48 by Terata
2004-01-14 09:51:39
"I don't know why they don't just do them all perfectly!"
#49 by The_Joker
2004-01-14 10:54:26
http://www.jackinworld.com
WTF is it with all this topics???????

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
#50 by The_Joker
2004-01-14 10:55:51
http://www.jackinworld.com
and what the hell is happening to my english?????

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
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