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ˇViva la Revolución!
November 6th 2003, 03:35 CET by Squeaky

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#1 by Wudi
2003-11-06 03:35:52
it sucks


First post beeyatch

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#2 by Wudi
2003-11-06 03:36:30
and i just voted NO

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#3 by Warren Marshall
2003-11-06 03:38:14
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Seeing it tomorrow night ... not sure what to expect.  Most people are telling me that it's crap, but I wonder if that's just the "the Matrix is popular so it's cool to hate it now" thing.  We'll see...

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#4 by LPMiller
2003-11-06 03:52:06
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Anyone who expects deep philisophical meaning from any movie with Keanu Reaves in it deserves what they get.

I've said it before, the movies tell you exactly whats going on, where people have problems is in the constant trying to explain it anyway.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#5 by Quicken
2003-11-06 04:04:27
gdunn@backmeup.net.au
I demand spoilers!

since I aint forking out full price for this film unless dragged kicking and screaming

Keanu hasn't been any good since the Bill and Ted films :P
#6 by Jibble
2003-11-06 04:06:19
HOW DARE YOU IGNORE THE BRILLIANCE THAT IS JOHNNY MNEMONIC.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#7 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 04:11:51
I WANT ROOM SERVICE!

Dood.
#8 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 04:12:47
Copied from the other thread:

I just got back from seeing it. I liked the first movie and I liked the second one even more, but this one I did not like. I would have to agree with YF that Revolutions makes Reloaded worse in retrospect, but I would also have to say that Reloaded is still my favorite of the three. Revolutions definitely had its moments, but overall it was a mess.

Dood.
#9 by jafd
2003-11-06 04:19:42
Needs more Merv.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#10 by Sgt Hulka
2003-11-06 04:23:48
LOL.. Yeah, more moive.

Stay home and celebrate another day of living, or pay to see Keanu say "Whoah"...  Hrmmm...

The Rob Waring Trio? nope! -- Now it's the Rob Waring Trio
#11 by yotsuya
2003-11-06 04:29:33
Warren-

Who's telling you it's crap, people here, or people whose opinions you respect?

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#12 by Warren Marshall
2003-11-06 04:36:17
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#11 yotsuya
Warren-

Who's telling you it's crap, people here, or people whose opinions you respect?

Yes.  Various sources, some I respect, some I don't ... friends, reviews I've read, people here.  It's a mixed bag - mostly leaning towards the negative though.  I'll go in with an open mind like I always do.  I tend to be able to enjoy movies more than most people, so we'll see.

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#13 by jafd
2003-11-06 04:38:59
I'm puzzled by the complaints I have heard that the film "doesn't provide closure."

The war ends! What more "closure" do these people need?

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#14 by Sgt Hulka
2003-11-06 04:41:29
Does this Illusion work for you?

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#15 by Warren Marshall
2003-11-06 04:46:51
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Wow, that wasn't predictable in the slightest.

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#16 by Sgt Hulka
2003-11-06 04:51:26
For some perhaps.

The Rob Waring Trio? nope! -- Now it's the Rob Waring Trio
#17 by yotsuya
2003-11-06 04:53:29
Some of the reviews are savage:

"What is the Matrix?, the first film asked. This film answers that. The Matrix is the marketing software that encourages movies like this to be made. And it must be disabled."
-- Stephen Whitty, NEWARK STAR-LEDGER

"There is visual poetry to that rain-soaked duel-but it's no more impressive than earlier battles between Smith and Neo. And that's kind of how I felt about much of Revolutions."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

 "The laws of physics don't apply within the Matrix, but the law of diminishing returns does."
-- Mark Rahner, SEATTLE TIMES

"It's not only copying itself, like Agent Smith, but it's following the many other movies that have imitated the Matrix style."
-- Gary Thompson, PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS

"The Wachowskis have gone to the well once too often, and that clanging sound you hear is their bucket hitting rock bottom."
-- Shawn Levy, OREGONIAN

and my favorite:

"How did something that started out so cool get so dorky?"
-- Manohla Dargis, LOS ANGELES TIMES


But for balance, here are some positives:

"It doesn't exactly re-create the magic that made the original such an instant classic, but it's faster and more involving than Reloaded and it rounds off the premise and themes of the trilogy in a surprisingly satisfying way."
-- William Arnold, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER

"True believers will be reaching for the red pill, but it's still not quite enough to convert the heretics."
-- Ty Burr, BOSTON GLOBE

 "In a basic and undeniable sense, this is a good movie, and fans who have earned their credit hours with the first two will want to see this one and graduate."
-- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#18 by Sgt Hulka
2003-11-06 04:57:26
I guess it's closure for the people who got tied up into the story.  That's cool, not all movies are meant for everybody.  Not everyone shares my love of action/drama/comedy gold like the Olsen Twins, so I'm used to being the odd man out when it comes to movies.

Now, if they had Ashley or Mary kate playing Trinity, I'd have already seen the flick 20 times by now.

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#19 by yotsuya
2003-11-06 05:02:52
What if Ashley AND Mary Kate were in it? What then?

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#20 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 05:08:10
In a basic and undeniable sense, this is a good movie


That's a damn lie!

Dood.
#21 by Sgt Hulka
2003-11-06 05:08:14
I don't know if my heart can handle that.  All that kung-fu, mechs, and olsen action?  Phew... I'm about to pass out just thinking abou.........

The Rob Waring Trio? nope! -- Now it's the Rob Waring Trio
#22 by yotsuya
2003-11-06 05:10:43
Doomed! The first documentary with Olsen-Time!

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#23 by Jibble
2003-11-06 05:15:46
I love it when the best thing a reviewer can say about a movie is "Well, if you saw the first two, I guess you might as well plop your ass down for a few more hours so you can say you saw the third.  But catch a matinee if possible.  Or download it off the internet.  Or wait for it to come on TV."

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#24 by Matt Perkins
2003-11-06 05:20:00
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Hippie Review (No spoilers, quite short)

I really liked it.  A lot.  It wasn't as new and good as the first one, but it was a much better story than the second one.  I felt engaged and a part of this one, where as the last one didn't connect with me.

It had scenes that were over the top, it had things that took a bit too long, but it had heart and feeling to go with it.  It made me care again, it made me sad, and it made consider my life.  Not consider the deep meanings in the movie, but my life.

Though, haven't watched all three movies...if you put it a little character development at the beginning of each, you could easily have three seperate movies with 3 seperate goals.  That, I think, is the biggest failing of "trilogy".

On a techy note, yeah you could see the CGI again, but they broke it up with real people so it wasn't huge long scenes of cartoonish graphics.

That is all.

#25 by Terata
2003-11-06 06:20:44
I saw it this morning, and my opinion's kind of waffled since then.  Individually, parts of it were really goddamned cool.  The fight with Smith, Smith talking to the Oracle, portions of the fight for Zion, talking to the machines, the Trainman, the fight with Bane, etc.  Good stuff, but I really didn't think it held together all that well, and it seems like it just about ignored the mythology they'd been trying to build up previously.  

It's like half the threads they started in Reloaded just got dropped.  I mean, what's with the Merovingian getting like 1 minute of screen time?  What was up with Neo's powers in the real world?  How come when Smith absorbed Neo they all were destroyed?  Some of this you can sit and theorize about, and there's suggestions dropped here and there that there's some logic behind it, but opon initial viewing there's some definite holes.

Still, I really enjoyed it all told.  It's better paced than Reloaded is, with some really amazing visuals -- and let's not forget the punch to the face to end up punches to the face.
#26 by Terata
2003-11-06 06:21:35
All!  ALL!
#27 by Quicken
2003-11-06 06:24:08
gdunn@backmeup.net.au
I've got your punch to the face right here!

Too many reviews. Not enough spoilers!
#28 by jafd
2003-11-06 06:39:52
Yeah, the cover to Vulgar Display of Power has definitely been dethroned.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#29 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 07:15:39
SPOILERS OMG WTF

Okay, my slightly more in-depth impressions:

Where the second film had a thoughtful story that redefined the events of the first film, this one had no story and threw away everything from the first two films. People complained about the stilted, self-important dialogue in the second film, while this one had loads of banter between unimportant characters about meaningless topics. The Zion battle was fun, but then they they ruined it by having the stupid kid and the woman save the day. The fight with Bane was fun, but they ruined it by having the electrical wire magically solder Neo's eyes shut. The approach to the machine city was fun, but they ruined that by making Trinity's death scene last forever. Oh, and Neo's magic unexplainable powers ruined that scene and every other one they appeared in. The fight with Smith had some fun moments, but the melodramatic music and the "an even BIGGER shockwave results" effect made it somewhat tiresome. Then, Neo saves the day and destroys Smith... somehow. Don't concern yourself with the details, simple viewer. The big machine face says I NEED NOTHING FROM YOU! and then makes a deal three seconds later - a deal which is completely unable to be enforced. So Neo keeps Smith from destroying the Matrix, dying or at least becoming incapacitated in the process. Never mind the fact that he's essentially in captivity, able to be killed at a moment's notice. But the machines will honor the deal because... why, exactly? We could crush you a million times over, but we won't because the mouse pulled a thorn from my paw. Oh, and a completely horrid ending with the sunset and some meaningless platitudes really takes the whole thing out on a high note.

So in the end, nothing mattered. None of that stuff from the Oracle or the Architect or the Merovingian or Morpheus. It all comes down to the Magic Machine King waving his magic wand. Lame.

Dood.
#30 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 07:24:36
Oh, and I didn't mention anything before the Zion fight because nothing before that fight should have made it into the movie.

Dood.
#31 by jafd
2003-11-06 07:25:05
#29 BobJustBob
this one had no story and threw away everything from the first two films.
When you start off with a blatantly untrue exaggeration, it's hard to take your opinions seriously, but I'll keep reading.


So in the end, nothing mattered.
You expected... what, exactly?

Everything you said you hated about it, are reasons why I loved it.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#32 by Quicken
2003-11-06 07:25:37
gdunn@backmeup.net.au
Thank you Bob!
#33 by Quicken
2003-11-06 07:27:16
gdunn@backmeup.net.au
Why am I not surprised jafd enjoyed the use of a Deus Ex Machina. Writing gold!
#34 by jafd
2003-11-06 07:34:29
If you watched the first two movies and were surprised by a deus ex machina, there's no hope for you. Sever the carotid now.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#35 by Squeaky
2003-11-06 08:01:11
Just got back...

re: lack of closure

There is a reason it's called Revolutions and not Revolution.

Think about it...

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#36 by Squeaky
2003-11-06 08:01:57
oh and it's a really good movie

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#37 by OwenButler
2003-11-06 08:06:20
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#29 BobJustBob
The Zion battle was fun, but then they they ruined it by having the stupid kid and the woman save the day.
What is so revolutionary about a woman and a "stupid kid" kicking arse?
#38 by jafd
2003-11-06 08:10:15
It was obvious that kid would play a role in saving the world. Why else would he even be in the movie? Think, people, think.

I would rather have seen Gina Torres with the rocket launcher, though.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#39 by Squeaky
2003-11-06 08:51:43
So how did this topic get voted in, anyway? There's a perfectly good Revolutions thread rotting away in the bin right now because of this travesty. Do your civic duty and put it out of its misery.

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#40 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 08:56:27
This topic was first.

Dood.
#41 by jafd
2003-11-06 08:57:30
A film this good deserves two topics anyway.

"It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
#42 by Huge Wood Farmer
2003-11-06 09:13:19
I hate to agree with jafd, but...

Love.

Good way to end the trilogy, not amazing, but not the pile of shit a lot of people seem to think it is.

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#43 by bago
2003-11-06 09:56:25
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
The schlockiest 50's movie with a 100 million dollar budget EVAR!!!

You DARE to worship a god other than Allah? Allah does not know who this "Ctulhu" character is, kufr, but when he finds out he is going to kick that Jew deity down a flight of fucking stairs.
#44 by Jibble
2003-11-06 14:26:49
#39 Squeaky
So how did this topic get voted in, anyway? There's a perfectly good Revolutions thread rotting away in the bin right now because of this travesty. Do your civic duty and put it out of its misery.

Done.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#45 by Trolly McTroll
2003-11-06 15:08:54
#25 Terata
what's with the Merovingian getting like 1 minute of screen time? What was up with Neo's powers in the real world? How come when Smith absorbed Neo they all were destroyed?


With gay movies come questions such as these.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
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"heh." - Squeaky
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#46 by Trolly McTroll
2003-11-06 15:10:15
#43 bago
The schlockiest 50's movie with a 100 million dollar budget EVAR!!!


excellent review.

'sup Death K

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
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"heh." - Squeaky
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#47 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-11-06 16:09:28
erictcheng@hotmail.com
The war ends! What more "closure" do these people need?


Like the Vietnam War or the Korean War? Ask Oliver Stone.

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#48 by Creole Ned
2003-11-06 19:29:14
Revolutions was primarily an action movie with only a minimum of philosophical nonsense in it (I use "nonsense" in as neutral a way as possible) and based on that, I should have enjoyed it a lot because I'm always keen on seeing stuff blow up real good. But though the movie is a much more straightforward effort than Reloaded, it just felt...off.

The dialogue was utterly wooden and predictable. The actors seemed to be grimacing at having to say their lines (with the exception of Hugo Weaving who obviously decided to let out all the stops and emerge as an incredibly hammy villain that also provided the film's only real comic relief). The main characters were often inconsequential (Morpheus went from being a seemingly important leader in the first film to a glorified extra in Revolutions) and the journey to the machine city was strangely anticlimactic. The machine head that confronts Neo minded me of the "god head" at the end of Star Trek V -- never a good thing.

The attack on Zion was filled with dazzling effects that numbed because it went on way too damn long. When that kid went into the temple shouting "The war is over!" I was cringing at the prospect of the crowd breaking out into another interminable rave scene like in Reloaded.

Trinity's death scene (damn you and your prescient spoiler, YF!) also went on way too long, again draining the film of drama.

I did think there was sufficient closure, though. The war ends, a presumably uneasy peace exists between humans and machines and Neo's whereabouts is left typically murky. Messiahs don't die and they don't stick around to party, they just go off and hang out with the gods. Or something.

It seems obvious to me that the Brothers W never really intended a trilogy from the outset and having seen all three films now, I can't say they did a good job following up on the terrific, if hokey, premise of the first movie.

Revolutions was okay but really nothing more. It's funny looking back on all of the convoluted theories on how Revolutions would be played out/explained when the final product is actually quite prosaic.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#49 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-11-06 19:39:23
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I did think there was sufficient closure, though. The war ends, a presumably uneasy peace exists between humans and machines and Neo's whereabouts is left typically murky. Messiahs don't die and they don't stick around to party, they just go off and hang out with the gods. Or something.


At E3 2003, Monolith said that Enter the Matrix takes place after the third movie...

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#50 by BobJustBob
2003-11-06 19:45:00
I'm sticking with my retarded brother theory.

"My way or the highway" - retarded brother

lobby scene - talented brother

he comes BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!1111 - retarded brother

Neo/Smith fight - talented brother

Reloaded - talented brother

Revolutions - retarded brother

I think the talented brother should cut the retard loose. I'd definitely go opening day to a movie by The Wachowski Brother.

Dood.
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