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October 16th 2003, 12:05 CEST by Caryn

There's a new cowboy in town and its name is 1UP.com. Owned by Ziff Davis, the site looks like it's set to compete with the big three: GameSpot, GameSpy, and IGN.

The appearance of this new site raised questions for me. First, I wondered what Crappers thought in general of a new site and its ability to compete with the already-established three. Do you think it can do it?

Second, it made me wonder about the game site habits of Crappers. Where do you guys generally get your gaming information from? Do you visit a lot of web sites, one or two, or are pretty loyal to one? When you download files, do you have a particular place you prefer to do it from, or will you go where the file will come down the pipe fastest?
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#1 by jafd
2003-10-16 12:13:46
What do you mean, "appearance of a new site"?

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#2 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-16 12:24:56
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All the stories on that site seem to come from other sources... is this some sort of Google News thingy? At any rate, game news sites are like newspapers. It's useless to read more than three because they all have the same news. 1UP doesn't seem to offer anything substantially more than IGN or the likes.

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#3 by jafd
2003-10-16 12:30:14
What do you mean, "new post #2"?

Everything I know about brevity, I owe to m0nty.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
#4 by mgns
2003-10-16 12:53:53
Those kids in the cover story should be taken out of the reproducing equation.

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#5 by Marsh Davies
2003-10-16 12:55:48
www.verbalchilli.com
The 'Crap provides me with enough information, so I rarely go to sites like these. I'm not interested in opinion pieces (semi-illiterate, self-aggrandizing slosh), and the news is just not worth the effort to close all those pop-ups. Occasionally I have the misfortune of being optimistic enough to try and download something, like a demo, maybe. Every time I have to click through seven or eight different pages, frantically killing pop-ups, only to discover that the file doesn't exist, or that the servers are full. Or if I have a sudden desire to look at screenshots, I discover some gaudy advert interceding between every thumbnail and it's full-size counterpart.

So I don't go back, and I genuinely struggle to understand what useful purpose these sites serve.

They are low on useful content (really, does anyone care about jocular "Top 10 Most Ridiculous Character Names" articles?), slow, ugly, and agressively commerical.

I used to check Blue's more or less every day, but I haven't visited since the adverts started coming in.

#6 by Marsh Davies
2003-10-16 12:58:45
www.verbalchilli.com
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#7 by Ashiran
2003-10-16 13:28:22
#0
Where do you guys generally get your gaming information from?

Google.

Do you visit a lot of web sites, one or two, or are pretty loyal to one?

One, Google.

When you download files, do you have a particular place you prefer to do it from, or will you go where the file will come down the pipe fastest?

Fastest pipe found with Google. This usually ends up being the Bittorrent link on 3DGamers but still.

And in reply to the "do you care?" question. No I don't. Reviews are bullshit. Everyone who thinks reviews are not bullshit is bullshitting him/herself. As was already established in a recent thread.

The only thing helpfull towards a purchase is downloading the demo or warez version and try it out.

AND DON'T ADD A SMILEY AFTER EVERY GODDAMN THING YOU SAY!
#8 by Ashiran
2003-10-16 13:30:16
but I haven't visited since the adverts started coming in.


Oh yeah, the ads commonly found on those sites annoy the hell out me. Especially the latest generation of "FLASH ALL OVER THE SCREEN!" ads. The kind that actively prevents you from reading what you wanted to read.

AND DON'T ADD A SMILEY AFTER EVERY GODDAMN THING YOU SAY!
#9 by jafd
2003-10-16 13:39:17
#8 Ashiran
The kind that actively prevents you from reading what you wanted to read.
On the bright side, it improves hand-eye coordination, in that finding the "Close" button becomes the most important task EVAR.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
#10 by Duality
2003-10-16 14:31:44
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I've mentioned before that 1up.com's only difference from the rest of the flock is that it doesn't have the commercial webpages before getting to any actual content.

As for any news I may want, if I don't get it here at the 'Crap, I get it at Blue's.  I prefer the blurb-like link format more than browsing for actual content.

#11 by Desiato
2003-10-16 14:53:23
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
I agree with Ashiran, anything worth finding can be found easily via the MEGA-LINUX-FARM of Google. Downloads are either bitorrent or circumventing Fileplanet's login scheme. 3DGamers usually has good pipes for demos and things. As for news...I usually visit a few pages to check releases, that's about it. Of course if there's a BaileyReview™ posted, I'll read those before buying.

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#12 by Jibble
2003-10-16 14:59:56
The best ad ever was an Xbox ad that came out of the site's menu bar like giant descending black and neon green death over all the content on the page.  It had no discernible close button.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Macromedia ruined the internet.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#13 by zimbardo_ugly
2003-10-16 14:59:56
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
RC Cars demo is the unconditional love of a mother for the pink rosy cheeks of her newborn son. Also, rock.

"All things fall and are built again,
And those that build them again are gay." (W. B. Yeats)
#14 by G-Man
2003-10-16 15:07:55
1UP.com publishes all of the content found in Ziff-Davis' print magazines. So that is useful. Jeremy Parish of Toastyfrog works there. So that is good. Other than that I don't care about it.
#15 by Jibble
2003-10-16 15:14:24
As a reviewer on "hiatus," I can honestly say that I don't care.  I barely care about the site I work for on occasion.  All I care about is trying not to look stupid when I'm writing an article.  The obvious answer here is "I listen to my friends for game advice."  The site will last about a month without ads, then they'll go on a blitz like you wouldn't believe.  Everything Ziff-Davis owns ends up becoming tainted at some point.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#16 by zimbardo_ugly
2003-10-16 15:17:57
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Among "RC Cars" features, you can find: "Physics engine outperforms the majority of car simulators currently on the mass market". And curiously, this is true - the exceptions being perhaps Rallisport Challenge and MotoGP 2 (both very arcade-ish, but with rock-solid physics) - it IS some mighty fine physics, to the degree that the tires actually accurately lie on the terrain. Polished and fun, console-style, try the demo.

"All things fall and are built again,
And those that build them again are gay." (W. B. Yeats)
#17 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-10-16 15:44:39
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I just wanna say "Hi!" from "The Center of the Universe."

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#18 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-16 15:45:14
Everything I leaern about games, I learn here at plaentcrap.  The other sites are all poop.  No, seriuoaly.  thar poop.

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" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
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#19 by Matthew Gallant
2003-10-16 15:50:37
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
#17 Eric T. Cheng
I just wanna say "Hi!" from "The Center of the Universe."

You idiot, somebody just said hi from the center of the universe eight posts ago.

Made you look.

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#20 by CheesyPoof
2003-10-16 16:07:27
I don't really care about 1up.com.  I went there twice and have a hard time finding actual content.  They did some feature article on top 50 game designers and annoyed me by only putting 3-5 people on each page.  Why would they think I want to click that much?
#21 by mgns
2003-10-16 16:25:38
So, I'm having a couple of friends over this weekend, we'll set up four PCs and do some gaming. I was wondering if you folks had any ideas for something to play in beetwen the quake and the homeworld? Preferably something that'll run on mid-range machines and doesn't require a three hour tutorial. Like a  racer or something.

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#22 by Jibble
2003-10-16 16:29:18
A racer on PC?  Why not just stab your eyes out with a fish fork?

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#23 by Greg
2003-10-16 16:31:14
Jibble, it's an old, old game, but I bet you never played Test Drive 3.

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#24 by Jibble
2003-10-16 16:31:42
Also, please take copious notes...Bailey wants to know what goes on at a LAN party.  Try not to let all the women distract you.

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#25 by Jibble
2003-10-16 16:33:09
I don't remember if I ever played a true racing game on a PC...It just seemed silly to me because of the passiveness and total lack of need for most of the keyboard or the mouse.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#26 by mgns
2003-10-16 16:34:29
Re-volt was fun.

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#27 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-16 16:35:07
Nascar Racing III Gold Edition with complimentary can of chaw

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
"Great, we are being trolled by Paul Schaffer. - LPMiller
#28 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-16 16:50:45
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Jibble
Also, please take copious notes...Bailey wants to know what goes on at a LAN party.  Try not to let all the women distract you.


did I ever tell you about that girl I saw at a LAN party?

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#29 by Jibble
2003-10-16 16:54:15
I think I may have read about that in the paper.  It was next to an article about Barbara Bush carrying Elvis' love child and one that claimed the world was coming to an end at the hands of a massive Bernie Kozar.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#30 by Marcin
2003-10-16 17:16:47
marcin@wickedtoast.com www.damodred.net
I found the optimal combination to be RSS feeds from Blues and Shack, hooked to my Trillian (50x10 square with the title pops up for 5 seconds) Also the 'crap, GameRankings and assorted friends, usually dropping by at the Toast with their latest acquisitions. Any single one of these sources alone wouldn't work at all, but the combination does ok...

For downloads, Fileshack. I liked their layout from the start, so I got a subscription there.

I can't really say about 1up's ability to compete, as it's not me it's competing for. I don't know who it's competing for exactly, either... I wasn't really impressed much. The 3 "click to play flash" squares are a bit of a turnoff (a Moz Firebird extension, prevents Flash from playing until clicked).

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#31 by Warren Marshall
2003-10-16 17:36:28
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
did I ever tell you about that girl I saw at a LAN party?

I'm trying to forget.

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#32 by Ergo
2003-10-16 18:22:15
#25 Jibble
I don't remember if I ever played a true racing game on a PC...It just seemed silly to me because of the passiveness and total lack of need for most of the keyboard or the mouse.

The last racer I played was the original Test Drive on my Amiga. Yes, I'm an old fart.

"I keep trying to read your posts, but all the letters keep morphing into "HULAHGUALGHUAALHAGH". Perhaps I can file this as a bug." --Bailey
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#33 by Bailey
2003-10-16 18:26:37
Grand Theft Who?

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#34 by Greg
2003-10-16 18:27:55
Test Drive 3 was great because the races didn't take place on a track, but rather on open roads with multiple paths to reach the goal. I'm not sure how many racing games did that, but TD3 was the only one I played like that.

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We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#35 by Squeaky
2003-10-16 18:28:30
#17 Eric T. Cheng
I just wanna say "Hi!" from "The Center of the Universe."

Toronto?

JUSTIN BAILEY
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#36 by Squeaky
2003-10-16 18:29:29
#28 Gunp01nt
Jibble
Also, please take copious notes...Bailey wants to know what goes on at a LAN party.  Try not to let all the women distract you.


did I ever tell you about that girl I saw at a LAN party?

That was no girl...

JUSTIN BAILEY
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#37 by Squeaky
2003-10-16 18:31:17
need for speed hot pursuit is fun. not hp2, that is a pile of donkey-crap, but the original was much fun.

JUSTIN BAILEY
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#38 by Squeaky
2003-10-16 18:31:31
and apparently, my shift key is broken

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#39 by Jibble
2003-10-16 18:33:42
Well, if you're talking PC I can't remember any, but this has been rehashed on consoles...See Midnight Club 2 for an example of not having to go the same way to get to a target.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#40 by yotsuya
2003-10-16 18:34:13
Is Chicago still standing?

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#41 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-16 18:36:53
Chicago should just give up baseball.  Fire the team.  Do something you can be famous for, like midget bowling, but instead of midgets, use chickens, and instead of bowling, have them fight to the death in a pit of cow dung.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
"Great, we are being trolled by Paul Schaffer. - LPMiller
#42 by Hugin
2003-10-16 18:53:05
lmccain@nber.org
First, I wondered what Crappers thought in general of a new site and its ability to compete with the already-established three. Do you think it can do it?


Probably not.  I browsed the site yesterday and today and I wasn't impressed.  It's not terrible.  But it doesn't do anything the other sites don't do.


Second, it made me wonder about the game site habits of Crappers. Where do you guys generally get your gaming information from?


Friends, Crappers.  I do read reviews occasionally, but I read them more to get a sense of what sort of things happen in the game.  Not to find out if the game is good or worth buying.

 
Do you visit a lot of web sites, one or two, or are pretty loyal to one?


I don't usually look at other gaming sites unless a specific article is linked by a Crapper.  Gaming sites in general have done a really good job of making me uninterested in their content.  Why?  Clutter.  Ugly, ugly cluttered layout, with content a mile wide and an inch deep.  An insistence on comedic/pimp/hipster/hyperbolic writing.  A general refusal to discuss issues I find interesting in gaming.

The game sites I like/liked:  Gamasutra, early Next Generation, the active period of Looneygames.  They all had some things in common.  One, they generally had the ability to take a half step back and talking about games and gaming from a broader persective.  Two, they usually didn't try so hard to be clever and hip and witty.  Give me a moderate number of articles written by intelligent people, saying something interesting, avoiding for the most part Top Ten Lists and such, and I'll check it out.  

When you download files, do you have a particular place you prefer to do it from, or will you go where the file will come down the pipe fastest?


I download from the site where the hassle is lowest.  I'll accept a slower download if I have fewer screens, ads, logins, forms, etc to wade through.  I think making consumers jump through hoops in order to view/play what are essentially commercials for your product is silly.
#43 by Chunkstyle
2003-10-16 19:00:15
I get most of my game information from the ‘Crap.  The only of the big 3 game sites I look at is Gamespy, and then only because of Gamespy Daily, their email list.  I glance at that to see if there is anything remotely interesting.  1up won’t get me because I just don’t bother to look.

For downloading files I pay for Fileplanet.  A few bucks a month to get whatever demos I want right now, and they have a huge selection of old arcade roms (hooray for MAME).

I put the lime in the coconut, I drank it all up.
#44 by Matt Perkins
2003-10-16 19:02:04
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I used to pay for FP, but I've fallen on poorer times, so I'm the unwashed masses again.  It sucks to be unwashed and/or massess.

#45 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-10-16 19:08:37
I just wanna say "Hi!" from "The Center of the Universe."

Toronto?

Oakville I believe.

I kid cause I care.
#46 by yotsuya
2003-10-16 19:15:49
Hugin-

You pretty much reflect my opinion. SInce I really have cut back on buying games, I ususally go off word of mouth here. Back in the day (1998), I'd go to all the Planet* sites, but when you are years in between games (PlanetQuake), or if the community dies out (PlanetAnachronox), there's not much you can do. I don't go to other website because, like you, I can't stand the "Steve Gibson School of Game Reviewing" (I'm assuming it was Steve who did the "too fly to be a white guy" act. If not, I apologize").

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#47 by Ergo
2003-10-16 19:19:33
I get general gaming news from here and Blue's. I go to Gamespot and Gamespy for reviews. That's about it.

"I keep trying to read your posts, but all the letters keep morphing into "HULAHGUALGHUAALHAGH". Perhaps I can file this as a bug." --Bailey
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#48 by Caryn
2003-10-16 19:22:42
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#46 yotsuya
(I'm assuming it was Steve who did the "too fly to be a white guy" act. If not, I apologize").


Actually, you're thinking of Billy Wilson, I think, not Steve Gibson.

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#49 by Shadarr
2003-10-16 19:26:42
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
How interested am I in a new gaming mag site?  I can't even be bothered to look.  I honestly don't care whether it dies or turns into the next PCXL or becomes the market leader.  Professional sites have nothing to offer me, except maybe to test my popup blocker against the latest in popup annoyanceware.

I get most of my gaming news from the 'Crap and Penny Arcade, but I do have Blues and Gamespot's review page bookmarked.  I sometimes check their GBA review page just to see if anything new has been released.

When I download, I either use Kazaa or Google.
#50 by yotsuya
2003-10-16 19:31:04
Yes, you are right, Caryn. Steve, a thousand apologies.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
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