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Gaming With Non-Gamers
July 13th 2003, 18:33 CEST by Hugin

Have you ever introduced a self-identifed non-gamer to video games?  Have you ever found yourself showing some game to your mom or dad or a significant other?  Do you search for games that you might not normally play yourself, but that will be palatable to these non-gamers in your life?  Do you enjoy getting people hooked on games despite themselves? Does it make you feel better as a gamer to be able to convince someone that their disdain or lack of interest in games can be pierced by something suitably fun and addictive? Do you go out of your way to try to get older people or women, whoever might be considered (accurately or not) to be outside of the core gaming demographic, into games?

Gaming has been so frequently regarded as antisocial (recent articles to the contrary notwithstanding).  I was just wondering if folks had any interesting experiences using gaming as a conduit to other people, or as a way to give people (who you may well be somewhat alienated from otherwise) in your life an insight into your gaming life or an aspect of your personality.  My guess is that console games would have a leg up here, but perhaps people's experiences won't reflect that.
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#1 by VeeSPIKE
2003-07-13 18:46:41
only once. A friend of mine's step-father is an avid golfer, and we convinced him to try PGA Championship online. He loved it, and as far as I know still plays regularly. My friend and I gave up on it (I am thinking Butter/SOF2 grabbed my attention at about that same time.) We had fun while we were playing it, though. He has not gone on to become a game geek or anything, he only plays golf games on his computer. But he did (does?) have for a while a regular foursome of people that he had met online.

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#2 by zimbardo_ugly
2003-07-13 18:50:04
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Is dis a thinly veiled warez topic?

"...case 6 of the bad consequences from a wrong guess function references Seth|Violet when it should be Warren Spector in a dress (I think)." - G-Man
#3 by Greg
2003-07-13 18:50:59
I got my mom to start playing The Legend of Zelda back when I first got the NES. She only made it through a couple dungeons though, but it was more than I thought she'd finish.

We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#4 by VeeSPIKE
2003-07-13 18:51:14
only if you bring your own thin veil

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#5 by VeeSPIKE
2003-07-13 18:51:33
dammit!

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#6 by Caryn
2003-07-13 18:55:07
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
My 75-year-old mother-in-law is an avid Tetris gamer, and by "avid" I mean "can smoke all of you and anyone you know at the game". I don't know why, but for some reason years ago one of the kids gave her a SNES with Tetris and she got completely hooked. She plays it a couple of times a day now, and she's gotten to the point in the last couple of years where she's far too good to get much enjoyment out of the game (so we bought her Tetris 2). She starts off in the higher levels, somewhere around 25, and gets up to insane levels. If there were a competition in her area, I'd have her enter it in a heartbeat.

One Thanksgiving we both sat down to play together in split-screen mode. The whole family got to make fun of me -- my mother-in-law completely thrashed me, and everyone had a good chuckle at the video game prodigy in the family being beaten by a 75 year-old woman.

It's fun watching her play. We've tried getting her into other non-Tetris games, but she only really likes those (she plays Dr. Mario sometimes). She's wore out her SNES gamepad and we keep having to scrounge up replacements.

SNIKT!
#7 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-13 19:14:47
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
My primary experience with this was back in my teens when I wanted a computer for myself and my Dad was against the idea for whatever reason.  After I managed to get a C=64 by myself, I slowly converted him over to the gamer side.  Now, years later, he's still addicted and upgrades his PC hardware fairly regularly and games all the time.

I tried it with my girlfriend but it didn't go nearly as well.  I showed her UT2003 and a few other games in the hopes of sparking some interest in her, but I can't seem to get that fire lit.  Although, strangely,  she loves Bubble Bomb and plays that all the time on her home computer (which is normally used mainly as an internet/email terminal).

#8 by hangedmanAG
2003-07-13 19:51:14
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
There are two main instances that stick out in my mind:

One was back in my college dorms, I would have friends come over and play Millennium Auction, a unique and literate game that came out in the early multimedia days.

The other was that I hooked my dad on playing Strip Poker on the C64.

"I'm not so dumb that I'm making conclusions built on top of baseless speculation." - CultureShock
#9 by yotsuya
2003-07-13 20:12:27
My mom's an old school Mario gamer. The only thing she plays on the computer is casino-type games.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#10 by Desiato
2003-07-13 20:25:35
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
<archived memory>
I convinced a casual computer gamer to play some Duke3D and Quake. So, I tear down my gear and haul it all to his apartment. I'm setting it all up, and I ask "So, where's your LAN cable?" he replies, "What LAN cable?". After some scrounging I managed to make the poor-man's-network out of a RJ-12 phone cord with both our modems set to ignore dialtone (there was none to be had, of course) and forcing one of the modems to initiate a "call".
</archived memory>

It was fun, but ultimately it really needed some more people to make it challenging. Reaper bots were fun in Quake though.
#11 by ProStyle
2003-07-13 20:29:11
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
I've gotten my younger sister who is 15 into playing some Counter Strike. She likes it so much she even plays on her own when I'm not around! She's not really a gamer but we used to play Doom together on the LAN way back when so she's had some experience I suppose. My girlfriend likes to play but has real trouble grasping the strategic aspect of the game. She just really enjoys blasting people in the face and watching all the pretty red blood while laughing maniacally - during which she usually gets killed.

I'm like a quote out of context...
#12 by yotsuya
2003-07-13 20:41:07
Pro-

I'd suggest counselling before marriage. You know, just to play it safe.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#13 by Bailey
2003-07-13 20:54:26
Way back when I got my first actual IBM, my female parental unit enjoyed helping me out with some of the puzzles in the Sierra games, words and logic and all that. About three years ago, she really dug into that Kyodai Mahjong game when she saw me playing it, and these days it's all about Bookworm from Popcap. Although she'll never hesitate to reiterate how I wasted my life in front of this machine, she probably spends a good two to three hours a day with Bookworm after work.

Of course, Tetris was in there too at some point, but it never really struck a cord. I think almost any parent can enjoy Tetris.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#14 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-13 20:57:48
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Lets see, got my dad into playing strategy games back uhm .. in the late 80s, playing an obscure spectrum game called Zulu: Battle of Burundi.  All the family will fiddle around with solitaire, hearts and the various other card games. Mum loves Mah jongg, Sister loves playing tetris, neice loves playing the varioud disney games (shes 6 and a killer at Goofy skateboarding).

Wifey plays the odd game with me, Ut2003 etc, stepson loves battlefield 1942 with the desertcombat mod, have introduced a few of his friends to it as well (and have had a few parents asking about upgrades, $$profit$$ in the future I hope), stepdaughter loves playing with the disney website etc.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#15 by jjohnsen
2003-07-13 21:16:28
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My wife got into Rollercoaster Tycoon and Sims for a little while, but she'd rather read a book.  My three your old likes to sit on my lap while I "catch spiders" with the "lightning toy" in Elite Force II.
#16 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-13 21:38:42
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Hehe, that reminds me of my bosses daughter at an old job I had.  She was 4 years old and LOVED to sit in my lap while I played Doom.  Her favorite thing was to shoot the pinky demons with the shotgun.  I'd navigate and she'd pull the trigger whenever one got in our face.  She used to giggle so hard she'd almost fall off of my lap.

#17 by Matthew Gallant
2003-07-13 21:49:54
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Hoo boy.

"All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
#18 by zimbardo_ugly
2003-07-13 21:56:48
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
I see your "Hoo boy" and raise you an eyebrow in concern.

"...case 6 of the bad consequences from a wrong guess function references Seth|Violet when it should be Warren Spector in a dress (I think)." - G-Man
#19 by Matt Perkins
2003-07-13 22:08:06
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
My goal in this area is to get my wife to play more games...  I've slowly turned her into a geek girl.  :)

She loved both Diablo I and II +exapanions, we played them over and over.  We both played EQ for while and then we both get into DAOC for awhile.  Played BA:DA on the PS2 and can't wait for the upcoming coop games (Halo2, BA2 and the D&D ones).  The whole idea is to find games we can play together.  There really aren't enough of those.

"There are two things I've observed about Warhammer during my trips to the comic shop. A) The players send off strong pheremonal signals to mark their territory and warn off rival M:TG alpha males....." - Bailey
#20 by Hugin
2003-07-13 22:13:59
lmccain@nber.org
This isn't really my "entry" in this thread, but Matt's has prompted me to comment that Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance has turned out to be a just fantastic co-op game.  I've played it through with maybe half a dozen different people.
#21 by Bailey
2003-07-13 22:21:19
You know Warren, you could just hand us the keys to your ferrari and be done with it.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#22 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-13 22:25:10
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
What exactly causes concern about what I said?  You people are sick.

#23 by deadlock
2003-07-13 22:27:37
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Hmm...

The first time I played a game on my PS2 with my fiancee in the room was Metal Gear Solid 2. I shot Otacon's sister in the face er... for a laugh. My fiancee wasn't too impressed - "it's true what they say about computer games and violence then". After that I bought Grand Theft Auto III and obviously wasn't in too much of a hurry to have her prejudices justified again! The only game she's ever expressed an interest in playing was anything like Tetris, which I don't have. I've considered buying that Eye-Toy thing when I have the money because I think she might like that (for about five minutes). It looks like a good group game as well.

My mother is an avid game player, to the extent that my da bought her a PS2 for Christmas last year. She's big on platformers, but she hates boss fights (as do I, actually, though I accept them as something of a necessary evil in some instances). She ruined Sly Raccoon for me, because I ended up doing all of the boss fights, even the final one and hence had no desire to play through the game for my own enjoyment.

My sisters are both huge fans of the Sims games and one of my sisters loves platformers as well - her and her boyfriend have competitions to see who can finish a title the fastest.

My dad... erm, he played Populous on the Amiga and got to, I dunno, the 128th world or something, then lost interest and as far as I know he hasn't played a game since. He seems to be more interested in reading about German war machines of World War II (he discovered a page that has an insane amount of information on every U-Boat ever built) and soccer on the Internet.

Oh yeah, one of my Aunts is a huge FPS fan!

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#24 by deadlock
2003-07-13 22:29:12
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Warren:

I read 'giggle' as 'wiggle', which possibly says more about me than it does about you.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#25 by Bailey
2003-07-13 22:56:54
It's funny that for me, Sly Cooper was ruined by all the one-off sexual innuendos throw about by furries. Also tedious gameplay, collect the dongles, etc etc.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#26 by deadlock
2003-07-13 23:05:00
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Bailey:

Yeah it was fairly typical of that genre, but I thought it was fun nonetheless. I found the whole 'stealth' angle that was played up in the reviews fairly hilarious though, especially those ones that compared it to a cartoon MGS.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#27 by jafd
2003-07-14 02:33:11
When someone I admire as Hugin borks the topic formatting, it's hard for me to dig deep and find enough hatred. But I do it, for the cause.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
#28 by LPMiller
2003-07-14 02:36:55
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
My mom gamed when we played black jack or something on the Odyessy 2, but ignored things till about the SNES, when she got into Final Fantasy. Now, she's been through the SNES and all the rpg games, same on the PS1, and now is on the PS2 and currently playing Arc The Lad I think.

My little girl was using the paint shop program at 1, was playing her own games by 2, and loves to sit during our lan sessions as we play something. I won't let her watch the really scary games, but she has a real concept of good guys and bad guys and loves NOLF2, that sort of thing.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#29 by LPMiller
2003-07-14 02:44:12
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Not really off topic, but Ambrosia Software, normally a mac shareware game house, has converted and released Escape Velocity Nova for Windows. It's sort of a space RPG with Star Control like combat. Loads of fun, and if you pay the shareware fee, you can use converted plug ins of the first two games as well.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#30 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-14 02:47:39
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
When someone I admire as Hugin borks the topic formatting, it's hard for me to dig deep and find enough hatred. But I do it, for the cause.

How do you admire as Hugin?  Do you actually become him while you're admiring, or is it more of a mental state?

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2003-07-14 03:13:32
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#32 by Desiato
2003-07-14 03:43:42
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
And here I was, worrying about capital letters not getting their due...
#33 by Hugin
2003-07-14 03:58:37
lmccain@nber.org
I messed up the topic formatting?  How?  It seems okay to me, but I don't submit topics very often, so I could well be missing it.  Seriously, what's messed up?
#34 by Russ
2003-07-14 04:05:35
You forgot the high-five.

This won't hurt a bit.
#35 by Russ
2003-07-14 04:05:58
#34 was for #31

This won't hurt a bit.
#36 by Terata
2003-07-14 04:49:55
I've gotten my parents interested in playing Bust a Move (Puzzle Bobble) several times, and occasionally Tetris, but that's about it.
#37 by lwf
2003-07-14 05:17:40
Fuck jafd, the formatting is fine, in that it looks fine to me.

Everybody I know fails the acid test of friendship.
#38 by Hugin
2003-07-14 06:30:10
lmccain@nber.org
In sad news, my brand spanking new air conditioner appears to be DOA. :(
#39 by deadlock
2003-07-14 07:33:47
http://www.deadlocked.org/
a bit like this thread!

boomboom!

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#40 by Hugin
2003-07-14 07:44:14
lmccain@nber.org
No no.  Actually, after reading the manual thoroughly, I tried resetting the little control panel computer, and that seemed to do the trick. Yay!
#41 by Russ
2003-07-14 07:56:53
Hugin. Hugin. Hugin. Derailing your own topic is bad form, isn't it?

This won't hurt a bit.
#42 by None-1a
2003-07-14 08:47:17
Hugin the only thing I see 'wrong' is you didn't follow the m0nty standard of putting 20 questions at the end of the topic.
#43 by Sgt Hulka
2003-07-14 16:33:54
Here's a game for you to play tonight.  It's called, FIND HULKA in the CROWD at RAW!

I'm gonna make a sign that says WTF? in big bold black letters, look for it tonight on RAW.  I'm on the side, row 9.  I'll be wearing a black shirt that says THINK on it in big bold yellow letters.

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#44 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-14 16:38:10
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
You're thinking that I watch wrestling?  A red hot 'What?' up the ass for you, good sir.

#45 by Bailey
2003-07-14 17:14:04
Your shirt and the event of your attendence are in harsh contrast, sirrah.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#46 by jjohnsen
2003-07-14 17:36:22
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My little girl was using the paint shop program at 1, was playing her own games by 2, and loves to sit during our lan sessions as we play something.


Did she use a mouse in Paint Shop?  The biggest hurdle my daughter is having is trying to make this mouse that is twice the size of her hand do anything she wants it to.  I'm actually thinking of getting a tablet for her to use, so if any of you artists can recommend a good cheap one, I'd appreciate it.
#47 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-07-14 17:39:13
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
My mother (whom would never, ever played anything video game related)   played those America Online  video games like Marble Drop (that plays like Bobble Bubble  or some such) and Black Jack excessively because she was building a huge money pool. What she didn't know was that once she reached the money limit she would then enter a drawing to determine if she'd win;  Essentially,  it was just like when she gambled in the 1970's
---only in her home.

My younger relatives (25 and younger) have no problem accepting video games.  They'd played anything that would kill any free time. It's part of their culture.

I just picked up NBA Street Vol. 2 a week ago,  and I told one kid that I have it and the whole block bugs me to play it.


B D

Jibs, Jives and Jokes...
#48 by Gallatin
2003-07-14 17:39:14
kelethin@yahoo.com
Yeah, a smaller mouse for kids would be a good product. My daughter is three, and she catches on to what she's supposed to be doing pretty quickly. It's just not always easy for her to click the button without the mouse moving.
#49 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-07-14 17:44:29
www.myspace.com/OlSchoolMedia
Also,  I find myself giving my mother playing tips (something that feels like bizzarro world)  on how to earn larger marble drops for more bonus points.   I had to show her how to not play for extremely long durations by taking breaks and how to keep her wrists off the horizontals (desk) to avoid Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.


Wierd, yo....





B D

Jibs, Jives and Jokes...
#50 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-14 17:47:52
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
They have little tiny mice that you can buy for laptop computers.  They work just like regular mice, only much smaller.  Have a look in the laptop section next time you're in Best Buy.

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