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MMOGs To Bring About World Peace - Film At 11
July 12th 2003, 01:44 CEST by m0nty

This is what happens when governments outsource their creative thinking to the private sector. David Plotz, the Washington editor of MSN's Slate, has written an article in which he details how lessons from MMOGs can be used to rebuild Iraq, avert war in Korea and create a collective hive-mind to solve the world's problems. Oh, and he says Richard Garriott is the "Thomas Edison of the virtual world".

Slate is one of a number of publications to have run features recently about the wider implications of the nascent economic system of Norrath, Everquest's fictional realm. The progenitor of this bubble of speculation is Edward Castronova, whose report gave journos many quips and factoids, like how Norrath's GDP was as big as Bulgaria's. Slate previously covered Castronova here - although the author's conclusions about EQ upholding libertarian economic values are a bit dodgy. We even had a PC topic about it at the time.

Plotz's article is mostly twee and harmless, but then there is the other side of the coin: the MMOG There being seriously studied by the US military as a precursor to launching their own title as a propaganda and/or research tool, much the same as they did with the FPS genre with America's Army. Notable snippets from that article include the revelation that the US government is There's biggest customer, and that the Army is thinking of recruiting college students to roleplay as terrorists in an Army-run MMOG.

One wonders if MMOGs are at all relevant to anything in the outside world, given its weird code-as-law societal structure. Journos love stretching analogies to past their breaking point, but when the military/industrial complex starts testing these loony theories out with actual real money and resources to back it up, it gets scary.

Is Plotz a putz, or is he on to something? Will you play a MMOG funded by the US Army? How many DARPA spooks have you seen hanging out at There, and how could you tell? Would Lord British be a better administrator of Iraq than the succession of bureaucrats and ex-army officers running the show at the moment? Wait, wasn't the original problem with Iraq that the British left? I'm confused.
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#1 by Sgt Hulka
2003-07-12 02:39:13
Talk to the hand

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#2 by CultureShock
2003-07-12 02:50:17
The best laid plans of mice and men...

"Save the attitude for someone who cares." - Judge Dredd
#3 by jjohnsen
2003-07-12 02:50:37
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I think right now it would be pretty much impossible to add something to a mmog that could get me to play it.  All of them suffer from the fact you have to associate with other people.
#4 by yotsuya
2003-07-12 02:55:14
Star Wars Galaxies was the only MMOG I was remotely interested in, and even that doesn't seem too hot. Oh well. Someone derail this express.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#5 by Your Friend
2003-07-12 03:22:22
Planetside is awesome.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#6 by Greg
2003-07-12 03:35:54
But will it bring about world peace?

We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#7 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-12 03:40:43
erictcheng@hotmail.com
But will it bring about world peace?


Yes, but at the barrel of a gun.

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#8 by CultureShock
2003-07-12 03:57:34
I think right now it would be pretty much impossible to add something to a mmog that could get me to play it.  All of them suffer from the fact you have to associate with other people.


If they're there, they're not here. Playing them online KEEPS THEM AWAY FROM YOU. There, that should calm you down.

"Save the attitude for someone who cares." - Judge Dredd
#9 by m0nty
2003-07-12 04:34:45
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
If any military organisation wants to hire me to play a MMOG as a terrorist, I'm available.
#10 by Your Friend
2003-07-12 04:44:28

But will it bring about world peace?


No, but once in a while you can lock up a full continent.

Die Terran scum!  You too, New Cloms.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#11 by jjohnsen
2003-07-12 04:44:50
http://www.johnsenclan.com
That is a little tempting, paid to be a full-time griefer?
#12 by m0nty
2003-07-12 05:51:12
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Reading this preview of There, one thing strikes me. If the Army was going to choose to study a MMOG for use in training its own soldiers, why did it choose one with no combat?
#13 by m0nty
2003-07-12 05:53:21
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
In fact, why did they choose one whose major function seems to be buying hairstyles and clothes?
#14 by Matthew Gallant
2003-07-12 06:18:00
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Because terrorists use unconventional and sometimes insidious means of wreaking havoc.

"All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
#15 by bago
2003-07-12 06:21:07
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
My god... a virtual world where you control the rules...

When it comes to the manipulative side of psychology, there can be no greater tool.

#16 by CheesyPoof
2003-07-12 06:23:59
Yea, I'm still at work!  Go me.

Reading this preview of There, one thing strikes me. If the Army was going to choose to study a MMOG for use in training its own soldiers, why did it choose one with no combat?

When your main job is to get some where to blow yourself up, I don't think combat is all that important.  Probably stresses the social elements of blending into your target and assimilating youself so you won't be notices.

In fact, why did they choose one whose major function seems to be buying hairstyles and clothes?

So they can fit in.
#17 by Foodbunny
2003-07-12 06:32:47
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
There's non-violent combat in the form of paintball.

"Whore!" she shrieked. "Kingslayer's whore! Brotherfucker!" Her dead child dropped from her arms like a sack of flour as she pointed at Cersei. "Brotherfucker brotherfucker brotherfucker."
#18 by m0nty
2003-07-12 07:19:02
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Here's another article on There.
#19 by m0nty
2003-07-12 07:29:56
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
And here's the design for the Army's newest vehicle: the hoverboat.
#20 by Bailey
2003-07-12 08:32:19
I took a call from this guy tonight, former AC player turned SWG fanboi, and he was so proud of having been one of the first 1000 wookies to log in that he had to regale me with whomprat tales. His bragging rights in AC had been that he had belonged to a clan so large that they couldn't hold a full attendance meeting without crashing the server. THAT'S GREAT SIR. YOU WERE IN THE LEAST DISCERNING CLAN EVER.

These people are clearly horrible monsters that deserve death.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#21 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-12 09:34:46
rogerboal@hotmail.com
I agree with what you said, fully and wholeheartedly !

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#22 by Ashiran
2003-07-12 11:32:29
I like the idea about using an MMORPG for social research. The observations would be unnoticable so the behavior would be "real" and yet you can track and log everything.

I think I will peg this idea to my Professor. Maybe he can get funding for it. :)

"Your beam weapons are just a thinly-veiled analogy for giant throbbing plasma cocks violating new orifices in enemy ships." - Bailey
#23 by ProStyle
2003-07-12 14:40:42
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
This all seems kind of bizarre and I truly hate MMO but I would find it hard to beleive that all of us here have played through these games for years on end and not been changed in some way shape or form wether we are conscious of it or not.

When I played TF I started out knowing relatively little beyond the fact that I enjoyed playing this game because it was new and different. Eventually I became more enamored in the semantics and mechanics of the game and started appreciating the depth more and more as I started playing with a certain group daily. I would say that I learned true teamplay and on the fly decision making relating to said team and it's goals by playing TF - not by playing basketball or football or any other number of sports with my classmates. I'm not saying it's not reasonable for those things and more to be taught by being involved in organized sports - it's just that there's really no reason video games can't be fairly comparable in their benefits and or detriments to our character and relationships with others. I did play on my junior high basketball and football teams as well as in HS (starting every game) so I'm not talking out of my ass here; I just honestly beleive that I learned more and had a greater experience in any one TF clan match than any sports match I was a part of.

I'm like a quote out of context...
#24 by Bailey
2003-07-12 17:52:08
Leave me out of your group hugs.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#25 by jjohnsen
2003-07-12 18:36:46
http://www.johnsenclan.com
No close hugs unless you are of the female form, you guys probably don't shave enough and the only people that won't give me razor burn are Caryn, Foody and Ryslin.  I will accept the side-by-side, arms around the shoulder hugs though.
#26 by Sgt Hulka
2003-07-12 21:38:16
Judas Priest ars back together with Rob Halford.

Jewel is HOT in her new video.

mmmmm... Audrey Tautou.....

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#27 by Sgt Hulka
2003-07-12 21:42:49
Ugh... Does this story really need to be told?

once again.. ugh

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#28 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-07-12 21:52:21
mmmmm... Audrey Tautou.....

very, meh.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#29 by The_Joker
2003-07-12 22:19:25
http://www.jackinworld.com
Fuck you all

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
#30 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-12 22:20:26
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
very, meh.

She's cute but the movie looks pretty meh, I agree.

#31 by lwf
2003-07-12 23:18:13
I love how the quicktime taskbar garbage still comes up every few restarts even though i uninstalled the fucking software.

Everybody I know fails the acid test of friendship.
#32 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-13 00:00:44
rogerboal@hotmail.com
regedit

Hkey Local Machine
Software
Microsoft
Windows
Current Version
Run

delete it out of there.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#33 by lwf
2003-07-13 00:05:02
Thanks I have done that 7 or 8 times.

Everybody I know fails the acid test of friendship.
#34 by Bailey
2003-07-13 00:32:44
Meow, hiss, pfft!

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#35 by Xero
2003-07-13 01:07:40
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
#31 lwf
I love how the quicktime taskbar garbage still comes up every few restarts even though i uninstalled the fucking software.


RegCleaner 4.3.

Intelligence is the flower of discrimination. There are many examples of the flower blooming but not bearing fruit.   Nabeshima Naoshige
#36 by Desiato
2003-07-13 04:01:30
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
There was a time when I liked to believe in the equalizing power of the internet.


Then I grew up, and faced reality.


Regardless of the medium, the message is the same, as well as the usual biases, etc..


Desiato
#37 by Desiato
2003-07-13 04:12:01
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
oops, Delete, DELETE!
#38 by Bailey
2003-07-13 04:54:33
Stop channeling angsty teenage girls who read too many teenage vampire novels, Desiato.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#39 by Desiato
2003-07-13 04:58:34
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
It was ill-advised.

Glad to see you too.
#40 by Hugin
2003-07-13 05:00:29
lmccain@nber.org
I saw League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.  It's not abysmal.  But they do some stupid things, and one very important character is lousy.  Poorly acted and poorly concieved and it hurts the film more than anything else.  Nemo and all things Nemo related generally rock. Peta Wilson makes Mina Harker work better than she has any right to.  Shane West/Tom Sawyer is entirely bland and superfluous.  Stuart Towshend, shockingly, does a fairly good job with Dorian Gray. Some of the visuals are nice,  however there's a 20 minute segment in the middle of the movie that makes no sense at all and could be cut out completely without really affecting much of anything. Occasionally the dialogue is painfully clunky.  Again, it's not actually awful.  It's just that you'll get five or ten minutes of involving stuff, and then a misstep or boneheaded decision breaks your immersion in the narrative.  Or someone will say or do something cool, and then two minutes later say or do something clunky. I suspect merely a careful re-edit could improve the film significantly.
#41 by CheesyPoof
2003-07-13 07:03:46
I saw T3, expecting the worse, I was pleasantly surprised and saw a very good movie.  That is all.
#42 by Mank
2003-07-13 07:41:08
#31 lwf

You can delete registry entries until you are blue in the face. Everytime you run an app like RealOne or Quicktime...those pesky reg entries are rewritten each time you run them.

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
#43 by Greg
2003-07-13 07:49:20
Sometimes modifying the key to point to an app that doesn't exist does the trick. Windows doesn't generate an error if it can't find a file listed in the Run registry key. If the app only checks to see if the key is there, then that should solve the problem.

We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#44 by lwf
2003-07-13 07:49:59
Yeah that's what i was figuring mank.

I even uninstalled it though and it managed to get back in. Now i have deleted the directory, motherfucker@!

Everybody I know fails the acid test of friendship.
#45 by Ergo
2003-07-13 08:12:42
The problem is, Hugin, is that the re-edit will never happen. Thus, The LXG will join the scrapheap that is adorned by The Wild Wild West.

#46 by m0nty
2003-07-13 11:13:36
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Welcome back Desiato!
#47 by jjohnsen
2003-07-13 16:28:30
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I saw 28 Days Later and enjoyed it much more than the last summer movie I saw(Charlie's Angels).
#48 by Sgt Hulka
2003-07-13 17:55:41
Charlies Angles was fun, Full Throttle was awful.   The wire-fu and CGI fighting looked cartoonish.  Demi Moore needs to eat.

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#49 by Bailey
2003-07-13 20:46:04
But she used to be so fat! ...when she was pregnant.

And now, back to the business of loathing.
#50 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-13 20:51:21
rogerboal@hotmail.com
query, wasnt there something about Sean Connery taking over the editting of the movie on one of the various 'movie watch' sites like aicn or chud?

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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