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The Law of the Jungle.com
June 29th 2000, 17:15 CEST by andy

We've got a competition running here at the 'Crap: Send us ten bucks, and you could win a new computer! Cool, eh?



Actually, I just made that up, but technology news site The Register is running a similar 'competition'...

The Register and Jungle.com have joined hands to offer you lucky punters the chance to win an HP Brio business PC with a pretty darn good spec (Pentium III 650, 128MB RAM, 13.5GB hard drive, 8MB Video RAM, Win98, modem, DVD etc.)

What do you do? Print out this story, fill in the form below and fax it to us on +44 (0)20 7493 5922. Or email the info to us at competition@theregister.co.uk. We're sorry but the cgi boys are busy elsewhere at the mo. Closing date is Friday 14 July.

And what is the form you have to fill in? It's a marketing survey.

No tricky questions, no "complete this sentence" challenge, not even one of those embarrassingly simple multiple-choice teasers. All they want you to do is send them a load of information about yourself (age, address, income, reading habits) and your company (number of employees, turnover, budget).

I'm sure there's nothing illegal about what they're doing, and of course such bribery tactics are nothing new: I've been stopped in the street loads of times by researchers, offering me the chance to 'win' something if I sell my soul to the marketing demons.

But isn't it a little distasteful that a supposedly independent news site would team up with an online retailer to harvest valuable marketing data from its readership?

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#1 by "Ellusion"
2000-06-29 17:17:33
Ellusion@planetquake.com http://www.planetquake.com/lotus
No, send ME 10 bucks instead!

Cheers,
Ellusion
#2 by "Karl Palutke"
2000-06-29 17:33:10
palutkek@asme.org
I'm suprised this hasn't happened before.  For a publication to sell ads, they need some data on the demographics of their readers.  If they weren't 'teaming up' with a retailer, they'd have to pay for the survey out of pocket.  Where would the money come from?  I bet ads provide a significant chunk of it.

At least this way, they're giving the reader the choice of whether or not to participate, instead of (or maybe in addition to, i suppose) tracking them with cookies or spyware.
#3 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-29 17:33:44
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
I'm not sure if this is as distasteful as you may want to put it. Surely, it would be worse if all you had to do was fill in a form and hit submit, as far fewer people will actually participate in this contest.

For that reason alone I don't believe it's some mass marketing ploy to sell information off to other companies. You sell these things in bulk, and they will hardly get near as many sheets of info if everyone has to fax it. Too much trouble.

Hope I made sense. :)


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#4 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-29 18:29:16
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>But isn't it a little distasteful that a supposedly independent news site would team up with an online retailer to harvest valuable marketing data from its readership?</quote>
Well, most magazines will sell their demographics (in the form of reports) to advertisers/companies. I'm sure this is a way for jungle.com to "buy" the information for a mere PC.

Most people won't fill out surveys. We put them in our magazine on a regular basis (some demographics, some trying to figure out what people like and don't like about the magazine), and you get maybe a few hundred responses (out of, say, 200,000 people). This is why people do a lot of things to try to get you to respond; I've received a dollar bill in the mail asking for me to respond to a Ziff-Davis survey (I, of course, kept the buck and never looked at the survey.)
#5 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-06-29 18:43:37
Well hell since no one will enter, i sure as hell will and take my computer and of course!

Send me junk mail, thats what I use to burn fires in my chemney!
Spam my email address I base my manhood on how much email I get a day ;-)
Call me at 3:00am trying to sell me George Foreman's Grill I always leave my phone of the hook!
#6 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-06-29 18:46:45
By the way how much does a British Pound translate to a US Dollar? ;-)
#7 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-29 19:03:09
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#5</b> "Ghost in my Shell" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Call me at 3:00am trying to sell me George Foreman's Grill I always leave my phone of the hook! </QUOTE>

heh, thats one of the nice things about living in Tennessee that I miss here in Dallas.  Its against the law to solicit over the phone without paying $500 first for the list of people who do not want to be bothered at home.  Then you get into some hefty fines if you call anyone on that list.  Here, I get a call at least 2 or 3 times a day and its usually a damn recording.  Bastards.

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#8 by "avixe"
2000-06-29 19:11:21
jsg@fiam.net
8 megs of video RAM?! Wow! Sign me up!
#9 by ""
2000-06-29 19:19:06
Just who exactly would need the reassurance that "I'm sure there's nothing illegal..."? Sure you may feel that it's not so great to enable some "faceless" corporation to make decisions based upon actual information, but really, it's voluntary.
#10 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-29 19:48:20
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#Main Post</b> "andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>
But isn't it a little distasteful that a supposedly independent news site
would team up with an online retailer to harvest valuable marketing data from
its readership?</QUOTE>

Whats worse is when they make you fill out all those stupid questions.  Registering a product for example.  

Once they have your email and spread it around a little you get bombarded with junk mail.  I never give out truthful information in <b>any</b> of those questionares.  The upshot is you can actually have fun making some of those answers up.  Pick your favorite caracter from a movie or game for instance or make one up all your own.
My personal fav at the moment is the "Paranoid Twitching Man" (used to be "Sweaty Wino huddled up on the side walk drinking cough syrup").  All those bad war memories compined with the various hallucinogens he takes makes for some interesting stories.  Hes finished with the boos these days though.  That shits bad for ya.  Now its mostly just the crack.  You get the idea...

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#11 by "red"
2000-06-29 20:28:32
reevesg@cableinet.co.uk http://www.quadmonkey.co.uk/
1 = $1.6 or so.
#12 by "RandoM"
2000-06-29 21:32:11
random1@speakeasy.org
umm, big deal.

Registered any of those games you play lately?  Everybody wants the gaming populace's demographics so they can better target with marketing dollars.

At least on these sites they're a bit more up front about it.
#13 by "Andy"
2000-06-29 21:43:23
andy@planetcrap.com
Decisions have been made. ;-)
#14 by "Desiato"
2000-06-29 21:46:04
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com
That's funny Vengeance, because I once mispelled my last name on purpose to see how it would spread across various mailing lists. The scary thing is -- now most of my junk mail has this mispelled last name now.

Thank friggin god for DSL -- I don't have to use the phone anymore. Dialpad.com is all I need to make calls. Telemarketers don't have a chance on my line -- a combo of me never picking up the phone and having caller ID puts that to rest.

As far as online "surveys" go, I really try not to enter them -- although sometimes it is tempting, because of me not wanting to ruin my "virgin" email address, I am not going to enter one soon...unless I can use my throwaway hotmail account.

Desiato
#15 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-29 22:33:17
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#14</b> "Desiato" wrote...
<QUOTE>

As far as online "surveys" go, I really try not to enter them -- although sometimes it is tempting, because of me not wanting to ruin my "virgin" email address, I am not going to enter one soon...unless I can use my throwaway hotmail account.
</QUOTE>

Yep, I know how you feel, I've gone over 3 years with only 2 or 3 junk mail messages (that I didn't specifically know I sighned up for) :)

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "None-1a"
2000-06-30 01:14:21
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
You think this is bad, in order to download updates for Iomegas zip drives you've got to fill out a nice little form asking for much of the same info (excluding income and what your into), it's like registering the product every time you download the damn software. ANd get this you have to download the software because the version they ship of the CD with Zip250 doesn't work (it will not detect a zip drive nomatter what).

I'm starting to wounder if there is some one out there with the e-mail address ?????@???.com, that's getting a little pissed at me. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#17 by "Valeyard"
2000-06-30 02:15:15
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
I'm always surprised by how offended people are by marketers and marketing research.

Yes, it's fun to jeer at them, but in reality, no matter how immune you think you are...you're wrong.

Everyone, everyday succombs to <b>some</b> sort of marketing.  Maybe you don't buy into the simple ploys, but they'll get you one way or another.

Research like this is no big deal...if you object, don't fill it out.  But it does serve a purpose.  Looking at the big picture, <i>some</i> of this research helps determine what people actually do or don't want.  The fact that the information is often exploited is disgusting, but that's not always the case.

Why did you buy that car/computer/house?  Or those clothes/shoes?  What about that hairstyle?

Just because you bought into someone's sales pitch doesnt mean you've been ripped off.

Because of the negative image, market researchers <b>must</b> resort to the "free giveaways" and other enticements...in many cases the "crap" that you see on the market is because of the type of person that actually bothered to fill out the form.  Maybe if some of the objectors would fill out the forms and let their interests and opinions be none, then we'd see better products on the market.  Maybe.

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#18 by "None-1a"
2000-06-30 04:28:09
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<QUOTE>Research like this is no big deal...if you object, don't fill it out. But it does serve a purpose. Looking at the big picture, some of this research helps determine what people actually do or don't want. The fact that the information is often exploited is disgusting, but that's not always the case. </QUOTE>

Vale I agree that most people blow the whole demogragh way out of perportion, but things like the Iomega register every time to download is just crap (I can by pass it because the software only comes from there site and it's mirrors, and I can't just not upgrade or that brand new Zip250 serves as a paper holder). I'll gladly fill out product registrations, or take a little servey now and then, however; I'm not about to register a second time just to get new drivers, or fill out a servey after being asked four or five times by the same person (after doing it once, er this was in the local mall).

As long as your not trying to trick me into doing it, or assulting me, I'll fill out the little form and be happy about it (well you had better be telling me why I'm doing it in the first place as well).
#19 by "VeeSPIKE"
2000-06-30 06:40:28
appliedavoidanc@triton.net
this is also not the first time it has happened. Combatsim.com did roughly the same thing about 3 months ago.

And while I do not think there is anything wrong' with them doing it, I didn't participate. Some of the questions are just none of their damn business. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#20 by "Jowr"
2000-06-30 16:29:26
Jowr@sdf.lonestar.org http://www.@#$98546Ħv
I personaly enjoy putting in bullshit information, like Mr. lskdfja;lsdkjfa asdkfjalsdkjf for my name, and say i have purchased 300 computers within the last 6 months and i plan to purchase more, and then i put my throwaway hotmail account in, or dsfasfd@sdfasdf.org OR president@whitehouse.gov. Its fun....

BTW, may Iomega die a death of ten thousand bugbites and then in the firey depths of hell. Fucking shitty hardware, my zipdrive is a paperweight right now.
#21 by "DooBall"
2000-06-30 20:57:50
dooball@planetshogo.com http://www.dooball.NET
can i get a new computer?
#22 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-07-01 12:38:21
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#14</b> "Desiato" wrote...
<QUOTE>Thank friggin god for DSL -- I don't have to use the phone anymore. Dialpad.com
is all I need to make calls. Telemarketers don't have a chance on my line -- a
combo of me never picking up the phone and having caller ID puts that to rest. </QUOTE>

lol, interesting choice. From <a href="http://www.dialpad.com/index_privacy.html">dialpad.com</a>:
<quote>Cookies
Our site uses session cookies to manage Dialpad.com call session.
When a member logs in to Dialpad.com, cookies will be sent to the member's web browser. We use cookies to:

Keep track of session ID and user name.
Display your phonebook and logbook.
Make sure that you don't see the same ad repeatedly.
We use cookies only for those objectives. Our cookies are deleted from your browser when you log out from Dialpad.
We don't ask if the user accepts cookies or not on our web site. However, if the user sets their web browser to not accept cookies, the user can not use our service.

Information that Dialpad.com Gathers and Tracks
We use your IP address to administer our web site and diagnose problems. Your IP address is also used to gather broad demographic information.
Our site's registration form asks for contact information (such as name and email address) and demographic information (such as zip code, age, and income level.) We use customer contact information from the registration form to send information to the user about our company and promotional material from us only with consent from each user. The customer's contact information is also used to contact the visitor when necessary about issues concerning the use of our service. Demographic and profile data is also collected at our site. We use this data to tailor the visitor's experience at our site, showing them content and ad that we think they might be interested in, and displaying the content according to their preferences. This information is shared with advertisers on an aggregate basis. Advertisers can not identify individuals.
If a member chooses on the registration page or her account page, her member ID may be shared with other Dialpad.com users.
This site contains links to other sites. Dialpad.com is not responsible for the privacy practices or the content of such web sites.
We use an outside ad company to display ads on our site. These ads may contain cookies. While we use cookies in other parts of our web site, cookies received with banner ads are collected by our ad company, and we do not have access to this information. Some general customer data is shared with the advertising companies on an aggregate basis.

Choice/Opt-Out
Our site provides users the opportunity to opt-out of receiving communications from Dialpad.com at the point where we request information about the visitor.
This site gives users the following options for removing their information from our database to not receive future communications or to no longer receive our service.
You can send email to delist@dialpad.com
Dialpad.com does not share any of the personal user information collected via the web site.

Correct/Update
This site gives users the following options for changing and modifying information previously provided.
Log in and visit "my account" area of the site. The URL of the "my account" area is http://www.dialpad.com/cgi-bin/modifyuserpage.pl.

Database Security Measure
Dialpad.com maintains high security measures to protect the user's information from loss, misuse, or alteration.
Information that we collected from the users will be stored and backed up securely in an environmentally-controlled location. Only authorized people with user ID and password from the company have access to the database.

Third-party Advertisers
Our third-party advertisers use cookies to collect information on a user. Dialpad.com has no control over the collection methods of third-party advertisers. Dialpad works with a third party that serves ads to this site and Dialpad is not responsible for the privacy practices of third party. To find out more about how 24/7 and Flycast manage the privacy of information in conjunction with serving ads on this site, please go to:
</quote>

Blah blah blah, basically, if I'm reading correctly, dialpad.com is collecting demographic information about you and the people you call, so enjoy ;) Well, at least there IS an opt-out method listed in there. Oh, and don't even think about reading that EULA...

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#23 by "Darkseid-[D!]"
2000-07-01 14:43:05
darkseid-d@planetcrap.com http://www.captured.com/boomstick
oh you might like to check out

www.speakfreely.org


its a rather nice voice over ip package, clarity is startlingly good, I use it to chat to american friends and it sounds like theyre in the room beside me.

Ds<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#24 by "Anonymous"
2001-04-18 13:52:47
Thinking...
#25 by "Anonymous"
2001-04-18 13:53:53
Thinking...
#26 by Dumdeedum
2004-01-12 19:01:58
http://www.dumdeedum.com
It's the Great Bob-Baiting Contest of 2004!

Hello and welcome to the Black Mesa Hazard Course.
#27 by m0nty
2004-01-12 19:06:26
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I'd give you odds of 100% that Bob will post here.
#28 by BobJustBob
2004-01-12 23:18:01
m0nty wins!

I collect half.

Dood.
#29 by G-Man
2004-09-23 08:12:57
I am an asshole.
#30 by Max
2004-09-24 06:47:56
http://massivebraincase.org/
GAH!

Yours Faithfully,
Dr Hamidu Dicko
MANAGER AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT
BANK OF AFRICA.
#31 by Squeaky
2004-09-24 08:05:46
heh.

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#32 by BobJustBob
2004-09-24 15:11:48
Huh.

Dood.
#33 by Squeaky
2004-09-24 21:28:58
woah.

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#34 by Max
2004-09-25 07:45:46
http://massivebraincase.org/
GAH!

Fox was planning a show called Who Wants to be Teabagged by Marlon Brando -hangedmanAG
Check your FSI!
#35 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-09-25 18:44:55
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Blah.

"Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
#36 by Squeaky
2004-09-26 03:12:38
jung?

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#37 by CheesyPoof
2004-09-30 19:49:36
To 50!
#38 by Dumdeedum
2004-09-30 20:53:09
http://www.dumdeedum.com
You'll never make it.

Guest MP3OTW: Cherry Poppin' Daddies - Zoot Suit Riot.mp3 (Thanks Squeaky!)
#39 by Squeaky
2004-09-30 20:54:28
I doubt we'll make 40.

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#40 by Squeaky
2004-09-30 20:54:33
nevermind.

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#41 by Max
2004-10-01 04:23:11
http://massivebraincase.org/
Just couldn't help yourself.

Fox was planning a show called Who Wants to be Teabagged by Marlon Brando -hangedmanAG
Check your FSI!
#42 by Squeaky
2004-10-01 08:15:58
nope

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#43 by CheesyPoof
2004-10-04 22:05:04
50 can't be that hard, can it?
#44 by Squeaky
2004-10-05 07:53:53
yes, it can

Quit your bitching, fucknut.
Return of the DVDs
#45 by m0nty
2004-10-05 08:19:11
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
No it can't.
#46 by CheesyPoof
2004-10-05 16:28:57
It shouldn't be.  Who the hell wrote such horrible topics?
#47 by Penguinx
2004-10-05 16:37:12
#0
"andy"

The Register and Jungle.com have joined hands to offer you lucky punters the chance to win an HP Brio business PC with a pretty darn good spec (Pentium III 650, 128MB RAM, 13.5GB hard drive, 8MB Video RAM, Win98, modem, DVD etc.)


Heh.

Jesus sayeth, "UAC can save your eternal soul."
#48 by m0nty
2004-10-05 16:37:19
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Hey, don't be dissin' ma main homie Andy Smith. Bitch best be steppin' fo he gets a cap in his ass.
#49 by Huge Wood Farmer
2005-03-06 21:38:22
...and

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#50 by Huge Wood Farmer
2005-03-06 21:38:29
50!

404 - Funny not found
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