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May 2nd 2003, 07:19 CEST by Funkdrunk

Perhaps just once we can have a topic that doesn't bleed into other topics.  Post all opinions and info here, and please remember to put spoiler warnings.
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#48 by yotsuya
2003-05-02 23:02:37
Don't you ladies have jobs?

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#49 by Trolly McTroll
2003-05-02 23:07:08
They have jobs where boatloads of uber-geeks take off for a portion of the day to enjoy the latest geekfest film.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
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#50 by yotsuya
2003-05-02 23:09:06
Trolly-

The truest thing you have ever said.

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#51 by Warren Marshall
2003-05-02 23:19:54
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You say that like it's a bad thing.

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#52 by Ergo
2003-05-02 23:22:12
Exactly.

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#53 by Trolly McTroll
2003-05-02 23:26:31
I didn't say it's bad that you're a geek and enjoy geeky films.  You're reading too much into my trolly posts.  Take a chill pill.  Play some Bubble Chump.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#54 by Ergo
2003-05-02 23:27:49
#53 Trolly McTroll
I didn't say it's bad that you're a geek and enjoy geeky films.  You're reading too much into my trolly posts.  Take a chill pill.  Play some Bubble Chump.

That's not exactly true. Eighty percent of the time I don't read your posts at all.

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#55 by Trolly McTroll
2003-05-02 23:30:06
You're pissing all over my right to free speech!  Ergos are the new Fox-Nazis!

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#56 by OpenCrap User
2003-05-02 23:32:31
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Only eighty?

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#57 by Qmanol
2003-05-02 23:37:07
Eric T. Cheng #15
What do you mean "a few days ago"? It was just released today...

Release date in Australia : 30th April
Happy?

So, first, let's kill all the marketing people.

Who's with me?
#58 by Ergo
2003-05-02 23:43:00
#56 OpenCrap User
Only eighty?

I was being nice.

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#59 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 00:30:10
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OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG !OMG! OMG! OMG!


Jesus light a candle, somebody geeked.

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#60 by jjohnsen
2003-05-03 01:39:12
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One of the first Matrix Reloaded reviews I've seen.

You are high, aren't you?
#61 by Matt Perkins
2003-05-03 01:55:06
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Jesus light a candle, somebody geeked.

Somehow, I think you're trying to make that an insult...

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#62 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 01:58:44
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Jesus light a candle, somebody geeked.


When I read his post I immediate thought he did a Harry Knowles...

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#63 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-05-03 02:01:17
Well I enjoyed it, that's for sure and I'll definitely agree it was better than the first, could have used more Collosus and more Nightcrawler (after the first 5 minutes nearly all of his teleporting was off camera!). I wouldn't say it was better than either Spider-man or Batman though. They also need more recurring bad guys, Magneto and Mystique just don't seem like enough to go up against the entire X-Men crew. I feel it also suffered from some of the same problems as the first, they essentially ignored many of the relationships that there are between many of the characters in the comics. Last time it was the history between Wolverine and Sabertooth that was the most glaring and they did the same thing again between Wolverine and Yoriko. I don't think it would destroy the movie if they just admitted there was some history between these characters instead of them being totally oblivious to each other. Still thoroughly enjoyed it, might even see it again should the opportunity arise.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#64 by Duality
2003-05-03 02:37:00
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per Gilgamesh:
Now, a German-led expedition has discovered what is thought to be the entire city of Uruk - including, where the Euphrates once flowed, the last resting place of its famous King.

Those silly Nazis are at it again!!

Fuck all of you who are have gone / are going to see X2.  Fuck you all in the goat ass!

Our initial assessment is that they will all die.
#65 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 03:32:42
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Trunk: Dude, the movie was 2 hours long, what did you what? Frankly, I sorta thought it was TOO close to the comics in some regards.

Colossus was VERY cool, but lets be real - it made sense to send him away to watch the kids, and frankly, he alone would have blown the whole FX budget. Show more Colossus, or show Jean Grey manifest the Phoenix?  Talk about Wolvy's history with Lady D, or just get to what has to be one of the coolest fights in movie history? I mean, seeing those two stab each other over and over again...man. And the mansion attack soooo reminded me of when Wolverine snuck into the Hellfire club to rescue Jean.  

I was happy to see hints of Kitty Pryde, Banshee's daughter, Leech, and of course Beast. Not to mention the one thing I didn't expect at all, the rise of the Phoenix.

I mean, I think singer does a hell of a job giving fans of the comic nods left and right, but he can only do soo much. Too much history, and the movie would have just bogged down into the Wolverine show. While Wolvy could carry a movie, this was the Xmen after all.  

Now seriously, open a window, cause I think I geeked up the room.

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#66 by Squeaky
2003-05-03 03:49:54
Did anyone notice Jubilee?

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#67 by jjohnsen
2003-05-03 03:50:12
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So why haven't they made a Wolverine movie yet, it seems like he's been the main focus of the two X-men movies?

You are high, aren't you?
#68 by bishop
2003-05-03 03:50:22
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She was also in the first one, wasn't she?
#69 by Squeaky
2003-05-03 03:53:37
I think so, yeah.

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#70 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-05-03 03:54:26
All I'm asking for is a "we meet again" sort of thing, I'm not asking to be told the entire history I'm just asking for aknowledgement of a history, one line would have been enough in both the Sabertooth and Yoriko incidents. I don't think litterally 3 seconds of dialog would bog down the movie. Besides if they had done that and had they kept Sabertooth and Lady Deathstrike alive they could have setup a great Wolverine spinoff movie.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#71 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-05-03 03:57:16
So why haven't they made a Wolverine movie yet, it seems like he's been the main focus of the two X-men movies?

I'm sure it's in the works, if not it probably will be after this one racks in the cash. Wolverine has by far the most backstory of any of the X-Men, and he's the most popular X-Men character I'd imagine.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#72 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 03:59:33
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Yeah, only they already established in the movie that he doesn't remember anything from before the claws. I mean, why not wish that they tell us Wolverines real age?

Really, I think you should be happy with what you got. It's good enough. The Xmen span what, 30 years or so? They can only do so much in 2 movies.

All I want in the third movie though, is the Phoenix, and Sentinels. Give me those two things, and I'm happy. I want a massive fight where you see mutants die, and I want you to see guys like Angel or Havok off fighting in the background against giant robots and/or Dark Phoenix, and I don't want the movie to stop for a second to tell me, "Oh hey, How are you Warren? Hey Havok, love the wacky costume". Just a big ass brawl.

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#73 by Qmanol
2003-05-03 04:00:41
I was happy to see hints of Kitty Pryde, Banshee's daughter, Leech, and of course Beast.


Also note the name "Remy Lebeau" on Stryker's computer when Mystique is accessing it.

So, first, let's kill all the marketing people.

Who's with me?
#74 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 04:07:37
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So why haven't they made a Wolverine movie yet, it seems like he's been the main focus of the two X-men movies?


Marvel's CEO and President he hinted that they're considering a Wolverine and Storm spin-off movies (I'm sure the latter is just to kiss Halle Berry's sweet perfect ass so she would stay in the franchise).

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#75 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 04:08:19
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Also note the name "Remy Lebeau" on Stryker's computer when Mystique is accessing it.


Bryan Singer actually filmed a cameo of Gambit, using Hugh Jackman's stunt double, but it was edited out.

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#76 by Squeaky
2003-05-03 04:27:49
#70 TheTrunkDr.
All I'm asking for is a "we meet again" sort of thing, I'm not asking to be told the entire history I'm just asking for aknowledgement of a history, one line would have been enough in both the Sabertooth and Yoriko incidents. I don't think litterally 3 seconds of dialog would bog down the movie. Besides if they had done that and had they kept Sabertooth and Lady Deathstrike alive they could have setup a great Wolverine spinoff movie.

Having never read the comics, I could tell that Wolverine knew Deathstrike from somewhere else just by the way he looked at her. For me the back story between the two was there in what wasn't said.

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#77 by Charles
2003-05-03 04:46:09
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Sentinels would be love.

GIANT ROBOTS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER.

Anyone who disagrees, nazi, etc, etc.

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#78 by Funkdrunk
2003-05-03 04:54:05
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
The last rumor I heard was this:

X3 - Hellfire Club  (if you check the X2 credits, there's one for Sabastian Shaw)

X4 - Dark Phoenix (provided there is an X2)

Funk.

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#79 by Funkdrunk
2003-05-03 05:02:40
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Err... I meant provided there is an X4

One of the thing that Bryan Singer said in an interview is that in his opinion the "comic book films" need to be episodic.  Which is why elements of X1 lead directly into X2.  And elements in X2 will lead into X3, and so on.

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#80 by Dethstryk
2003-05-03 05:13:39
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Was there anybody else on the computer screen besides Gambit? Oh, and as for Beast... is that before he turned into a mutant? I thought that after he turned big and blue, he stayed like that.

Dark Phoenix Saga. Holy shit.

And yes, I just got back from it.

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#81 by Funkdrunk
2003-05-03 05:22:27
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#80 Dethstryk
Was there anybody else on the computer screen besides Gambit? Oh, and as for Beast... is that before he turned into a mutant? I thought that after he turned big and blue, he stayed like that.

Dark Phoenix Saga. Holy shit.

And yes, I just got back from it.


I saw Jamie Madrox on the screen (the Multiple Man).  That was the one that stood out to me.

Beast started out not being blue, but an experiment performed on himself turned him that way.  But he was always a mutant.  He was strong, agile and dexterous.  The only thing that the experiment did was make him furry, teeth pointy and added a healing factor.

Funk.

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#82 by jjohnsen
2003-05-03 05:53:51
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He became blue during X-FActor didn't he?

You are high, aren't you?
#83 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 05:55:31
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Damn, I totally missed the Madrox link....now he would be COOL to see.

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#84 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 05:56:06
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No, he became blue just after he left the xmen and just before he joined the Avengers. It was an off camera thing

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#85 by LPMiller
2003-05-03 05:56:53
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Actually in Xfactor, he cured the blueness, but it made it so that he got stronger but lost his IQ. Then eventually he was change back to blue, restoring his genius.

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#86 by Funkdrunk
2003-05-03 06:00:04
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#84 LPMiller
No, he became blue just after he left the xmen and just before he joined the Avengers. It was an off camera thing



Well, off camera in so far that it wasn't in an X book.  It did happen in Amazing Adventures, but I can't recall when.

Funk.

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#87 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 06:03:47
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And I thought I was a geek...

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#88 by Duality
2003-05-03 06:05:12
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I'd call for you all to stop geeking up my browser ... but I'm totally digging this conversation.

Please carry on.

Our initial assessment is that they will all die.
#89 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 06:08:26
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I've yet to see the movie but it would have been cool if Colossus and Wolverine teamed up and did their 'fast ball special" where Colossus tosses Wolverine at an opponent.

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#90 by Duality
2003-05-03 06:28:17
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Was that ever in the comic?

It sounds like far too much teamwork to involve Wolverine directly.

Our initial assessment is that they will all die.
#91 by bago
2003-05-03 06:51:14
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Good stuff. You can see where magneto gets his god complex from.

Get your marketing right, and there's a healthy profit to be made in the anti-capitalism business.
#92 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-05-03 07:46:38
I think you should be happy with what you got. It's good enough.

See, I don't think it is, they could easily stay truer to the original stories of the characters but chose not to. I can still appreciate the movies for what they are and I enjoyed both, but because there was an active decision to alter the characters and stories I'll always think it could be better by doing simple things that wouldn't affect the plot of the movie nor would they break anything within the movie. I would enjoy them more and I think people who are familiar with the characters would enjoy them more. Really one of the main reasons I don't love both X-Men movies is because I feel they took way too many liberties with the characters. I think movies like Spider-man proved that you can stay true to the comic and still have a good movie, I love all the references to the comic that are made in it, yes some liberties were taken but they tried to change as little as they could. They could have done the same with X-Men, christ I'm willing to bet Stan Lee and Avi Arad gave up their rights to approve the script cause I can't believe they'd let so many changes (radical in many cases) to so many well established characters get in the first X-Men.

Yeah, only they already established in the movie that he doesn't remember anything from before the claws

Yeah which they also established happened 15 years before the first movie took place, but a guy like Wolverine probably lived a pretty boring life right, nevermind the fact that in the comic Wolverine had an established past with both Sabertooth and Yoriko both before and after his memory loss.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#93 by yotsuya
2003-05-03 07:47:07
Man, I don't understand a word of this thread.

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#94 by Squeaky
2003-05-03 08:36:43
#92 TheTrunkDr.
I think you should be happy with what you got. It's good enough.

See, I don't think it is, they could easily stay truer to the original stories of the characters but chose not to. I can still appreciate the movies for what they are and I enjoyed both, but because there was an active decision to alter the characters and stories I'll always think it could be better by doing simple things that wouldn't affect the plot of the movie nor would they break anything within the movie. I would enjoy them more and I think people who are familiar with the characters would enjoy them more. Really one of the main reasons I don't love both X-Men movies is because I feel they took way too many liberties with the characters. I think movies like Spider-man proved that you can stay true to the comic and still have a good movie, I love all the references to the comic that are made in it, yes some liberties were taken but they tried to change as little as they could. They could have done the same with X-Men, christ I'm willing to bet Stan Lee and Avi Arad gave up their rights to approve the script cause I can't believe they'd let so many changes (radical in many cases) to so many well established characters get in the first X-Men.

Haggle gaggle, I'm an armchair geek.

In what ways did they take "way too many liberties" with the characters? Aside from your bitching about Wolverine's past (which has little to no consquence on the film, and would make things waaay to confusing to non-Xmen geeks.), what else is there?

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#95 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 08:44:21
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Really one of the main reasons I don't love both X-Men movies is because I feel they took way too many liberties with the characters. I think movies like Spider-man proved that you can stay true to the comic and still have a good movie, I love all the references to the comic that are made in it, yes some liberties were taken but they tried to change as little as they could. They could have done the same with X-Men, christ I'm willing to bet Stan Lee and Avi Arad gave up their rights to approve the script cause I can't believe they'd let so many changes (radical in many cases) to so many well established characters get in the first X-Men.


I love what Bryan Singer did with the X-Men movies despite the fact he took so many liberties was because he managed to capture the spirit of the characters and comics despite all the liberties the movies took. He didn't take the liberties frivolously since he had to work with nearly fourty years of X-Men lore (which has now spread amongst many different books).

Where should have he started? With the early days of the X-Men when there was just Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Angel and Iceman. Or the Giant Sized X-Men#1 where Professor X gathers a new team of X-Men -- Storm, Wolverin, Thunderbird, Banshee, Colossus and Sunfire -- to rescue the original X-Men team from some wierd monster. Or perhaps when the original X-Men team split off and formed X-Factor and posed as mutant bounty hunters?

(This synopsis of the past forty years of the X-Men history depicts only the main storyarcs of the X-Men comics, excluding the sidestories and spinoff series.)

There's way too much material for Singer to be "exact" to the comics. And a good chunk of that would be too fantastical (eg. aliens, 20 ft robotic Sentinels) for the real world approach Singer was going for. For instance, he got rid of Wolverine's mask because it made no sense that Wolverine suddenly joins a group of costumed mutants and dons a mask for no reason than the comic has him wearing it (which makes no sense since of all the X-Men he's the only one wearing a mask and is the only one who doesn't have an identity to protect).

Given the fact that Fox nor producer Lauren Shuler Donner had believed the first movie would do very well at the box office (much like Fox had though of George Lucas' Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope back in 1977), Bryan Singer was limited to what he could show in the first movie and indicate what would be shown later (again, he had close to forty years of materials to work with).

Bryan Singer proved that his artistic license was tasteful in that he managed to treat the X-Men mythos seriously and not campy like previous comic book movies (eg. brightly coloured rubber suits with nipples) and present the film that would appeal to both the ignorant mainstream audience and the mouthbreathing virgin fanbois.

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#96 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-05-03 08:53:24
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I think the difference with the X-Men movies and movies like Spider-Man, Superman and Batman, is that with the latter movies EVERYONE (even those who don't read comics) knows about the origins of those characters, as they're part of American popular culture now. Because of that the movies couldn't really change the origins of those superheroes without confusing the mainstream audience and pissing off the diehard fans.

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#97 by Qmanol
2003-05-03 11:08:00
Eric -
Yes, I think that X-Men is my favourite comic book movie for simply that reason - the characters feel right and so the actual plot/histories don't really matter as much. The movies are creating their own path rather than slavishly following previous stories, and they are far better for it.

I would like to see more of the other mutants though.

So, first, let's kill all the marketing people.

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