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Half-Assed Guessing About E3
April 17th 2003, 00:28 CEST by Fallon

Okay, E3 is coming up soon. Let's discuss what game will win the Game of Show honour and why.

I think Thief III has a good shot, personally. And the alleged HL2 showing. Opinions?
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#1 by LoneStar
2003-04-17 00:31:38
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Doom3 baybee

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#2 by LoneStar
2003-04-17 00:34:04
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Duke Nukem Forever...1998 build

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#3 by Leslie Nassar
2003-04-17 00:35:41
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jesus will get GotS.

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#4 by Matt Davis
2003-04-17 01:10:16
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Will Half-Life 2 be a public screening?

Or will it be a private viewing only with Team Fortress 2?

Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the page...
#5 by Squeaky
2003-04-17 01:12:45
#4 Matt Davis
Will Half-Life 2 be a public screening?

Or will it be a private viewing only with Team Fortress 2?

I think it's slated to be a private viewing double-feature with DNF.

"If you can't throw him, then kick him." -- Dr. Masaaki Hastumi
DVDs
#6 by Caryn
2003-04-17 01:21:54
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I feel like in my line of work I should know the answer to this, but I don't. Why do publishers decide to show a game in the back room as opposed to on the floor? I can see benefits to showing it on the floor:

- Can have a big, elaborate booth that draws people in
- More eyeballs see it

The benefits to showing it in the back room:

- no need to spend money on an elaborate booth
- can control more easily what's shown or seen
- the hype that an exclusive showing demonstrates

The second one I'm not so sure about, because producers and developers in general are on hand to show on-the-floor games as well, which means you can still control what's shown. The last one seems arbitrary; just because a game is shown in the back room doesn't necessarily mean the showing is a good one.

I've been on both the coverage and the publishing side of E3, and I'm curious as to why publishers tend to show the big guns behind closed doors to fewer people. It seems contrary to the "FLASHING LIGHTS FLASHING LIGHTS GIRLS IN PANTIES OH HEY LOOK AT OUR GAME" atmosphere that E3 is all about.

Any experienced hands care to explain?

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#7 by bago
2003-04-17 01:28:06
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Probably to get the right eyeballs on it, as opposed to the fanboy legions.

The seeming unanimity among poets makes them look suspiciously like a herd of independent minds.
#8 by Duality
2003-04-17 01:30:05
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Do they have girls not in panties behind closed doors?
#9 by Dinglehoffen
2003-04-17 01:32:27
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Thief 3 will take the cake - as long as Specter doesn't allow Deus Ex mechanics to creep into the idiosyncracies of the Thief universe.

And good gravy, Lonestar - that's the most horrifying picture of a cave troll I've ever seen. Take it away. Please. It burns.

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#10 by Caryn
2003-04-17 01:32:39
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#7 bago
Probably to get the right eyeballs on it, as opposed to the fanboy legions.


I thought about this, but I've found that tons of people can still get in to see the game, either through making appointments or knowing a friend of a friend, etc. Maybe it helps a bit, I suppose, but I don't hear a lot of people being actively turned away from back room demos.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#11 by Caryn
2003-04-17 01:33:45
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#8 Duality
Do they have girls not in panties behind closed doors?


I'd tell you, but I think my company's NDA prevents me.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#12 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 02:18:20
I'm with Caryn to some degree.  

I mean, in theory I do understand why someone might have a backroom showing, but honestly is there a retailer/distributor in the world that won't carry Half-Life 2, even if they aren't given an exclusive 'backroom showing'?  

Most of the games that we hear about having backroom showings (although there are probably many we just don't hear about because the games aren't on anyone's radar) are slamdunk titles that don't really need any pimping to the retailer/distributors....  Probably just an excuse to snort coke with strippers in private.

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#13 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-04-17 02:19:30
I'm betting on Warren Marshall's Bubble Bomb: Donkey Punch Edition for game of the year.  Best booth-bunny's evar!

Will Deus Ex 2 be shown?

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#14 by jafd
2003-04-17 02:21:56
It is my thinking that back room demos are done for the same reason you don't invite the public to your housewarming party. After pouring all that labor into the product, why let the filthy hoi polloi get to see it first? F them. They can wait. Free hype.

You can catch more bees with honey than vinegar. But what do you want a whole mess of bees for?
#15 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 02:47:05
And now, ladies and gentlemen, in time for E3.... the first Respawn Games promotional spot!

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#16 by Greg
2003-04-17 02:49:16
On a similar note to what jafd said, aren't back room showings usually very early builds? They also don't always allow pictures/video to be taken, probably because the game is in such an early state. Sort of a "here's a taste, but you'll have to wait awhile to get the real deal" mentality.

blah blah bleh
#17 by Duality
2003-04-17 02:49:41
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We have a release date!!
#18 by Russ
2003-04-17 02:57:35
yotsuya, you have talents I would never have suspected.

There's two kinds of people in the world. People with guns and people who dig.
#19 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 02:58:26
Greg,  I assume that's pretty much what it is about..but, IMO, why bother for "big" games?

"Here is Half Life 2.  It still looks like ass because it isn't nearly done, but you'll buy it for your retail chain anyway because it's Half-Life 2."


Deep down in my cynical part, I know it is likely just politics.  "Hey hey Mr Walmart, you're so special you get a sneak peak at HL2 -- Howzabout while you're here we ink a deal on Budget Hunter 2003, my friend?"  But... oh well.

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#20 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-17 02:59:13
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#21 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 03:00:45

unleashes the fucking fury!


If I were you I'd do a trademark search and make sure Miller hasn't snapped that one up for use in games.
.. just to be safe.

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#22 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 03:04:36
We can give Yngwie $0.10 every time it's used.

BTW, Warren, how did you come up with $12.95 as a price? Just curious.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#23 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 03:07:03
$12.95... people think "Hey this thing is 10 bucks".  

$13.95... people think "hey this thing is 15 bucks"

$12.95 is close to the highest you can go while kinda being 10 bucks.

Then again maybe Warren PIOOHA.

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#24 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-17 03:07:21
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I was going to go with $9.95, but the place I want to sell it through takes a fee for every transaction so I upped the price to compensate for that.  I figure $12.95 is reasonable since most shareware is $19.95 or above these days.  Bubble Bomb is a small game, so pricing it below the average game is probably a good move.

We'll see.  The price is easily changed if need be ...

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#25 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 03:08:21
yotsuya, you have talents I would never have suspected.


Russ, as a teacher, you become a jack of all trades.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#26 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 03:09:25
I'll pay $12.95. Just let me know when the link works (it doesn't so far).

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#27 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-17 03:10:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
YF

I know a guy who worked in budget software for years and he said that market research basically told them that $20 is "throw away money" for most Americans.  They'll take a chance on something/buy on a whim if it's under $20.

The opposite is also true ... people don't want to buy a $5.00 game because they're wondering why it's so cheap.  "What's wrong with it?  Why is it only worth 5 dollars?  It must REALLY suck ..."

So you're best off going with something reasonable, but under $20.

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#28 by Sgt Hulka
2003-04-17 03:10:42
Mike Wilson has the best back room orgi.... er.. showcases of new games evar!

Son, look around. Would I be surprised? - Captain Spaulding
#29 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-17 03:11:01
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Yotsuya

Yeah, they said it'll take about 48 hours before it goes active ... I'll be sure to whore myself when it does.

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#30 by jafd
2003-04-17 03:12:07
I think we could all do with a little more fucking fury being unleashed. Definitely. Nice video, yotsuya.

You can catch more bees with honey than vinegar. But what do you want a whole mess of bees for?
#31 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 03:16:13
Thanks. I wanted to make it controversial, but I couldn't fit nekkid women in it. Yet.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#32 by jafd
2003-04-17 03:17:42
that shot with the text on top of all the bubbles, make the bubbles slowly morph into boobies as the whole thing fades out. There's no law against using subliminal images in your .mpgs, right?

You can catch more bees with honey than vinegar. But what do you want a whole mess of bees for?
#33 by None-1a
2003-04-17 03:59:51
#6 by Caryn
It seems contrary to the "FLASHING LIGHTS FLASHING LIGHTS GIRLS IN PANTIES OH HEY LOOK AT OUR GAME" atmosphere that E3 is all about.


I suspect that's exactly why you'd want to do a back room showing. The flashing lights, girls, and every thing else people are trying to attract visitors is distracting, if you've got a game that people want to see why wouldn't you try to minimize all of that crap is a better question.
#34 by jjohnsen
2003-04-17 04:28:09
http://www.johnsenclan.com
The Mother of all Bombs is a great tagline yotsuya.

Lest we forget we need a name for the main character.  Something edgy, like Killden Allded, Maxamillian (Max) Power, or our all time favorite Dick Justice.

Funk.
#35 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 04:45:03
Well, I tried to use "Shock and Awe", but Sony sent me a Cease and Desist.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#36 by MCorleone
2003-04-17 04:48:06
We don't owe Yngwie royalties as again, it's not his quote.  His was "RELEASE da fawkin' fuhrery."  Nice job on the mpg, though.

"What am I doin'?  I'm talkin' to an empty telephone.  Cuz there is a dead man on the other end of this fuckin' line."
#37 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-17 04:52:13
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Well, I tried to use "Shock and Awe", but Sony sent me a Cease and Desist.


Sony dropped their trademark registration after bad publicity over it.

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#38 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 04:52:15
MC-

True. Maybe Scott could chip in here on how to steal someone elses IP and make it your own.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#39 by MCorleone
2003-04-17 05:04:17
[url=http://www.twilightsoftware.com/sydneymystery/]OMFG

Does this mean I can assemble my pictures from my next vacation and call it "THE MIAMI MYSTERY"?

Caryn, on E3:
"FLASHING LIGHTS FLASHING LIGHTS GIRLS IN PANTIES OH HEY LOOK AT OUR GAME"
#40 by MCorleone
2003-04-17 05:04:59
GAK.  There goes my bizzubble bizzomb.  

OMFGv2

Caryn, on E3:
"FLASHING LIGHTS FLASHING LIGHTS GIRLS IN PANTIES OH HEY LOOK AT OUR GAME"
#41 by CheesyPoof
2003-04-17 05:19:08
Sony dropped their trademark registration after bad publicity over it.

Are you humor impaired or do you like taking the fun out of a joke?
#42 by yotsuya
2003-04-17 05:21:51
Heh. BTW, I already knew that, Eric, but it was still supposed to be part of teh funnay.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#43 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-17 05:36:05
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Are you humor impaired or do you like taking the fun out of a joke?


The latter.

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#44 by jafd
2003-04-17 05:37:06
Let us now how it feels when you manage to pull that off, thanks.

You can catch more bees with honey than vinegar. But what do you want a whole mess of bees for?
#45 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-17 05:39:44
erictcheng@hotmail.com
*yawn*

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#46 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 05:41:43
Did jafd just say something along the lines of "Let us now (sic) how it feels when you manage to pull that off, thanks."?  

I'm just wondering because I ignore absolutely everything he says but if he said something like that I hope nobody quotes it in a different message because then I might read it or something.

I don't consider myself a signature snob, but this signature is much better than yours.
#47 by jjohnsen
2003-04-17 05:48:57
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I'm guessing you better not read my sig then YF.

Let us now how it feels when you manage to pull that off, thanks.
-jafd
#48 by Your Friend
2003-04-17 05:49:46
Thanks for the warning, I won't read your sig.  I'll make sure to scroll right by it...and never look at it.

I don't consider myself a signature snob, but this signature is much better than yours.
#49 by crash
2003-04-17 05:50:10
Caryn:

I've been on both the coverage and the publishing side of E3, and I'm curious as to why publishers tend to show the big guns behind closed doors to fewer people. It seems contrary to the "FLASHING LIGHTS FLASHING LIGHTS GIRLS IN PANTIES OH HEY LOOK AT OUR GAME" atmosphere that E3 is all about.

Any experienced hands care to explain?

because coverage and publishing are only two of the three interested parties at E3, Caryn. the other is buyers. big buyers. regional buyers for target. wal-mart. best buy. compusa. ebgames. guys that cover nine states and two thousand stores and have on-the-spot buying authority for tens or hundreds of thousands of copies, that don't blink an eye at signing three million dollar promise-of-purchase orders. behind-the-scenes previews are for them. it's a lot easier to woo a guy with a ten million dollar checkbook when it's just you and him.

also, it's a lot easier to swing exclusives deals with magazines (covers are still a very hot property in magazine publishing) if you can promise them first look at something nobody even has a chance at looking at before they do. lotta leverage there. getting off the floor has a bonus (sometimes) of being quieter (not really quiet, by any means, but more quiet), and it gives the developers and PR guys way more control over who sees what and how it's presented.

finally, back-boothing is great for stuff you're just not ready to share with the hoi polloi. limited-edition showings generates hype all on its own--sure, details are nice, but they're just facts. if you can corner the market on interested speculation? score.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#50 by crash
2003-04-17 05:52:47
and i should have known someone would use hoi polloi before i did. just goes to show readin the whole thread first pays off. sigh.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
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