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Apple Universal: AOL/Time Warner All Over Again?
April 13th 2003, 21:57 CEST by LPMiller

Now I can see it. I can see purchasing an iPod, already preloaded with say, 1GB of music from Universal's catalog. And I can see a wireless ipod that downloads music directly from universal - for a small fee, of course. In fact, I can see a whole host of things that the music industry thus far has resisted, fearing piracy to the point of driving consumers away. Might be just the thing they need.

Might be too late too. I mean, there will always be song trading - song trading has been going on since reel to reel, it's not like it's a new invention. I don't even think ease of use comes into play - in the 80's, every boom box was a dual cassette job, and dubbing tapes was a hell of a lot more easy then it can be to operate a PC. But consumers seeem angry too, so I don't know that there will ever be a real market for purchased mp3's.

But, I've always said, if you offer a better product to consumers than I can steal, you got a deal everytime. And I can really see Apple pulling out some interesting rabbits from its collective hat here.

So my question: Potential world changing event? Death of Apple? Or Same Shit, Think Different Day?
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#1 by Euri
2003-04-13 21:59:34
yolora@attbi.com http://www.eurikins.com
Oh man.

Lol hi =]
#2 by Matt Davis
2003-04-13 22:00:40
http://looroll.com
Well it turns out that Apple was only remotely interested and now Microsoft is kicking the tyres to see whether they want to buy it.

Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the page...
#3 by mrbloo
2003-04-13 22:16:00
mrbloo2000@hotmail.com
Read a strange thing today.  There's an organisation in the UK which gives royalty checks to authors based on lendings from public libraries.  The author gets 4p from each book loaned.  Only semi-related to the topic, but I thought it was interesting.
#4 by The_Joker
2003-04-13 22:16:41
http://www.jackinworld.com
How are you gentlemen. All this thread are belong to me. You are on the way to the war thread. Make your time. Take out every link.

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#5 by Euri
2003-04-13 22:55:01
yolora@attbi.com http://www.eurikins.com
#4:

PLEASE DIE.

Lol hi =]
#6 by "what the what is that!"
2003-04-13 23:12:52
Who cares about the audio entertainment anymore, when you can get dvds and porn??? And probably soon interactive, 3d, 3d-glasses, porno computer games, with a special self-warming, self-lubricating joy-stick...

Even if piracy's stamped down, sales of mp3s will not really happend that much...
#7 by The_Joker
2003-04-13 23:14:57
http://www.jackinworld.com
#5 You forgot to say "kthx bye".

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#8 by Fallon
2003-04-13 23:24:26
http://www.fagnews.com
OK, so buy an iPod already choked up with lots of stupid crap you didn't choose yourself?

Sounds about as great as Joker's war topic, or drinking hot shaving foam.

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#9 by Duality
2003-04-13 23:26:01
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Wasn't it someone on PC that linked to a story about this sort of distribution method being an ideal form the music companies should be taking instead of albums as units to sell?

That was the first thing I thought of when I read this, and it definitely is worth watching and keeping an eye on.
#10 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-13 23:27:49
erictcheng@hotmail.com
10th post!

Fuck you all!

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#11 by Greg
2003-04-13 23:29:57
#9 Duality

Wasn't it someone on PC that linked to a story about this sort of distribution method being an ideal form the music companies should be taking instead of albums as units to sell?

That was the first thing I thought of when I read this, and it definitely is worth watching and keeping an eye on.

Macs already come preloaded with 100-150 songs (for iTunes), so it would be nothing new to Apple.

blah blah bleh
#12 by Euri
2003-04-13 23:37:26
yolora@attbi.com http://www.eurikins.com
#7

It's thxdrivethrula~

Lol hi =]
#13 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-04-14 00:16:15
I don't see any of the big recording companies making a successful switch to electronic distribution.  They are too entrenched in the current system to risk making their market obsolete.  It's similar to the Xerox Parc lab and all of their inventions.  Xerox could never be the company to make analog document reproduction obsolete, even if they invented the means of desktop publishing.

I think a company like Apple, Intel, Microsoft, et al could be the one to make it work.  Apple has made a great portable music device and good music software.  I just wonder if they have the money to make it work?  Microsoft definitely has the money, but I donít see the industrial design and human interface skills that Apple has in house.  Same thing with AOL, they have a huge pile of intellectual property, but they seem to lack the means to exploit it well.

How quickly will this turn into an Apple vs. PC thread?

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#14 by LPMiller
2003-04-14 00:18:28
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
most of the folks on PC just like toys, they don't much care which one of the egomanicial fuckers out there make 'em.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#15 by Dethstryk
2003-04-14 01:14:49
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Yeah. I'd just love my music to be on someone's computer when they buy it, where they didn't have a choice as to what was showing up on their machine. I don't know, I'm not too crazy about it.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#16 by Your Friend
2003-04-14 01:20:09
Why not? Someone might listen to it and decide they like it.  Exposure...  And it doesn't really hurt the consumer, they can just delete the songs if they don't like them (though they generally can't COPY them if they do like them, due to DRM usage on the shipped-with songs).

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#17 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-04-14 01:24:24
Yeah. I'd just love my music to be on someone's computer when they buy it, where they didn't have a choice as to what was showing up on their machine. I don't know, I'm not too crazy about it.


Buying an iPod with a bunch of free downloads from the Universal catalog would be cool though.  Apple probably preloads iTunes so that you have something to use it with out of the box.  First time is free, or so the dealers say.

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#18 by LPMiller
2003-04-14 01:29:09
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
and like was said - don't like it, the delete key still works.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#19 by Foodbunny
2003-04-14 02:18:12
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Woot!

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#20 by Dinglehoffen
2003-04-14 03:51:00
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Looks like after all this time, Fallon's still strainin' on the crapper...

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May I suggest a bran epidural?

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#21 by crash
2003-04-14 04:10:12
LPMiller:

most of the folks on PC just like toys, they don't much care which one of the egomanicial fuckers out there make 'em.

long as i don't have to buy some kinda weird adapter to make somethin work with my current rig, i'm happy.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#22 by "51|RandoM"
2003-04-14 08:02:36
You don't buy an ipod preloaded (though you could).

No, instead, next time you walk into Virgin Mega at union square, you take your ipod with you.  When you walk out, you're not carrying anything else, *except* the new music that you got put on your ipod while you were in there, over a sufficiently quick firewire interface.  Just build in enough DRM so that you can transfer it from your ipod to something a bit more solid/secure at home, and that'd do it.  I think there are plenty of people who'd pay for that convenience.  The music should cost you less to buy, and the RIAA less to package/ship/sell.

Somebody at apple thinks the home entertainment convergence is almost upon us and is choosing computing+music as their entry point.
#23 by Squeaky
2003-04-14 09:40:04
The music should cost you less to buy.

HA!

and the RIAA less to package/ship/sell.

Judging by the way the recording industry has taken to these newfangled technologies that will never happen

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#24 by Squeaky
2003-04-14 09:41:29
Here's a "," and a "." to place in that last sentance. Place the comma where it suits you, and I think it would be a good idea to put the period at the end.

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#25 by bago
2003-04-14 10:30:39
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
. .. . . .. .

and finally, .

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#26 by m0nty
2003-04-14 11:20:52
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Did we ever have that topic by Caryn about wireless? I must have missed it. In any case, wireless sucks. Wireless is dead, never lived, is kaput. Long live cable, cable 4EVA!
#27 by LPMiller
2003-04-14 14:55:18
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
we did, and it does not.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#28 by Matt Perkins
2003-04-14 15:49:26
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Wireless is still a growning technology.  When it works, it's great.  When it doesn't, it's a real pain in the ass since there is nothing you can do about what's in your walls, or having to change your phones, etc.

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#29 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-14 15:50:25
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Wireless rocks.  m0nty is dead, never lived and is donkey punched.

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#30 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-14 16:40:37
Wireless is the future.  If I could put my money into anything, it would be wireless.  Where are you gonna go when they start locking down the internet?  P2P wireless, that's where it's at baby.

Monty, you am da freek!

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#31 by ProStyle
2003-04-14 17:14:54
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
Locking... down.. the internet. If this happens you assume "they" would have no control over you because you aren't hard wired? Giggles

I'm like a quote out of context...
#32 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-04-14 17:33:30
All right, who took my keys to the internet?  I left them on the kitchen counter this morning.

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#33 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-14 18:18:50
X2 gets the thumbs up

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#34 by "Balderama"
2003-04-14 18:28:33
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Shut yo mouth McHomo.
#35 by Jens Christensen
2003-04-14 18:30:17
thug666@e-mail.dk
Ain't It Cool News = ASS

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#36 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-14 18:32:25
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Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle trailer. Mmmm... Lucy Liu.

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#37 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-14 18:32:28
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
How can you say that?  They're even considerate enough to use a font large enough for a blind man to read.

Welcome to the slaughter, I hope you're having fun.
#38 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-14 18:33:17
erictcheng@hotmail.com
That fat ass Harry gets excited at any movie as long as the studio execs give him "pwe-sents."

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#39 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-14 18:35:39
I don't trust the reviews at AICN either.  Payola runs supreme, as well as the consumption of pizza at AICN.

Charlies Angels looks as dumb as the first one, so I'll probably enjoy it.

McBalderHomo is jealous of my supremness. Deal with it faggy.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#40 by "Balderama"
2003-04-14 20:27:10
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#39 if you're supreme in anything, it's your gayness.
#41 by "sebi"
2003-04-14 20:36:50
Must be that time of the year again. Time to leave lurkerhood behind for a minute. The Apple/Universal rumour is the second piece of music related news that hit the Apple scene in the last months. The first (and more likely) talk was about a new Apple branded online music service supposed to go live at the end of this month. This music service is supposed to set you back $10/month subscription fee for unlimited access to the catalogues of all major labels except Sony. You should be able to download and listen to any songs you want on your computer. If you want additional abilities (such as burning a CD or putting the songs on a portable player) you will have to pay for that ($1/song seems to be the expected price). The tracks will most likely use Apple's own AAC format instead of mp3. And integration with iTunes is supposed 'to make buying music as easy as shopping at amazon'.

In the last months Apple has both visited executives from all major labels and invited them to their headquarters to demonstrate the technology. These talks put Universal and Apple closer together in the public eye. Apple can't afford to purchase the label outright. They do have some cash reserves but obviously not enough.

The music service sounds good to me. I don't know what the company would gain from buying a label (beside fierce headaches). Here is what Google news turns up on the topic of Apple and music.
#42 by Shadarr
2003-04-14 21:10:25
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
$1 a song would put the price of a CD you download and burn yourself right about the same as one you go out and buy, only you also have to pay for the subscription and the blank CD, and at the end of it all you don't have the liner notes or cover art.  Sign me up!
#43 by Duality
2003-04-14 21:12:48
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
So if Warren is the troll leader surpassing all trolls, and could be equated to Sony; which of Trolly and Baldy is Nintendo and Microsoft vying for the second seat in the troll market?
#44 by yotsuya
2003-04-14 21:16:24
#42

Heh. I see the point, on the other hand, what if you only want 1 song from that artist, and not the whole album?

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#45 by Dethstryk
2003-04-14 21:22:40
jemartin@tcainternet.com
#44 yotsuya
Heh. I see the point, on the other hand, what if you only want 1 song from that artist, and not the whole album?

It's scary, I'll tell you that much. I don't even want to see what the record industry would do with the information gained from this kind of practice.

"People are only buying Song A off the new album, so we better put out more and more songs like this."

It'll saturate the market with more crap intended to please the people based off this information, further putting the "big" music industry further into its little stale shell.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#46 by yotsuya
2003-04-14 21:28:48
Deth-

Interesting way to look at it.

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#47 by Dethstryk
2003-04-14 21:32:01
jemartin@tcainternet.com
#46 yotsuya
Interesting way to look at it.

I think it's probably an obvious way to look at it. The record companies, obviously, are going to watch what CDs are selling, and keep on pushing out that style until they can no longer milk it. Once they can start monitoring individual songs more easily.. that's just frightening.

Of course, for this scenario to happen, there'd have to be a shitload of people purchasing music in this manner. I highly doubt we're going to see digital transfers of music surpass the standard retail method anytime soon.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#48 by Chunkstyle
2003-04-14 21:34:09
It would be interesting to find out if the record companies are monitoring what the most shared files are on the P2P networks, and already putting Deth's idea in motion.

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#49 by Fallon
2003-04-14 21:39:21
http://www.fagnews.com
It would be interesting to find out if the record companies are monitoring what the most shared files are on the P2P networks, and already putting Deth's idea in motion.


Well Kazaa already recommends stupid stuff I don't want based on the gay porn I search for, and has "special" downloads at the top of search results happening to include a keywork. Hmm.

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#50 by Fallon
2003-04-14 21:41:36
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And a keyword too, usually.

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