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Hijacked Beta Test E-mails
March 17th 2003, 14:44 CET by Jibble

According to very reliable sources, one of the companies involved with Shadowbane has started selling e-mails that flooded in for their initial beta test.  The result is that people who wanted to act as testers, for FREE, are being paid for their assistance with deception and e-mail boxes brimming with spam.

Can developers really expect people to continue helping them test their games when deception like this enters the arena? How long will it take before consumers stop entering beta tests in fear that their personal information won't be quite so personal anymore?

Or, conversely, is it a moot point?  Will gamers withstand anything, including these invasions of privacy, just to get a peek at the newest titles before anyone else does?
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#1 by What?
2003-03-17 14:44:17
What?
#2 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-17 14:48:21
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Eric T. Cheng

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#3 by MCorleone
2003-03-17 14:54:30
You wanna keep 'em safe?  Keep 'em at home.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#4 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-17 14:56:41
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Get a hotmal account and use it for the beta.  Once the beta is over, cancel or stop checking it.  Problem solved.

What?
#5 by Funkdrunk
2003-03-17 15:00:16
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
#4 Warren Marshall
Get a hotmal account and use it for the beta.  Once the beta is over, cancel or stop checking it.  Problem solved.


This only solves a problem if you know it exists.

Funk.

Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still? ~Calvin Coolidge
#6 by jjohnsen
2003-03-17 15:01:37
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Does anyone use their real email address for these types of things?  I have one msn address that I use for all registering that requires email.

He and his girlfriend are making out in his car in a trailer park, when he suddenly has to run to an outhouse to make an emergency, uh... deposit.
#7 by Huge Wood Farmer
2003-03-17 15:29:08
Someone call the wah-mbulance. I say fuck public beta-tests, there should be a firm that devs can go to to get thier game tested with some sense of professionalism and plenty of feedback, not some random dick-facile that wants to play game X before his buddies.

UNLEASH THE FUCKING FURY!
#8 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-17 15:34:20
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
HWF

It's not just the feedback they're after though ... they want to stress test as well.  Get thousands of players hammering on the game, the servers, etc.  For a company to offer a service like that, the payroll costs would be prohibitive.

And I would say they get a slice of decent feedback.  For every X number of fanboys who are fucking around, there's someone who is actually interested in providing feeback.  So if the fanboys serve as fodder for the real testers, so be it ...

What?
#9 by Gunp01nt
2003-03-17 15:38:24
supersimon33@hotmail.com
and the fanbois also point the devs to flaws in the game design that can be used/abused in any way.

Yo mama's so fat, all the restaurants in town have signs that says: "Maximum Occupancy: 240 Patrons OR Yo Mama"
#10 by bago
2003-03-17 15:40:28
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
griefers can make the best testers.

The seeming unanimity among poets makes them look suspiciously like a herd of independent minds.
#11 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 15:59:09
[ Stupid Bitch News Network ] Natalie Maines, lead singer of the Dixie Chicks, is finding out that sometimes saying you're sorry doesn't make much of a difference. Radio stations nationwide are boycotting the Dixie Chicks, even though Maines publicly apologized for telling a London audience last Monday: ``Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas.''


Natalie Maines is the short fat one right? I don't want her to get her confused with the cross-eyed one or the slutty one.

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#12 by jjohnsen
2003-03-17 17:09:09
http://www.johnsenclan.com
She's big-boned you idiot.

He and his girlfriend are making out in his car in a trailer park, when he suddenly has to run to an outhouse to make an emergency, uh... deposit.
#13 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-03-17 17:42:06
I say fuck public beta-tests, there should be a firm that devs can go to to get thier game tested with some sense of professionalism and plenty of feedback, not some random dick-facile that wants to play game X before his buddies.


I was an alpha tester for UO, the first and only time I've ever done game testing.  The flip side to the dick-faciles/griefers is the company that complains about your behavior in the game when it's a bug in the program causing it.  I remember the UO staff complaining about people walking around naked in the game, when it was a bug that caused everyone to appear naked.  You would connect and everyone was naked, which obviously meant that everyone must have thrown their clothes away (an impromptu performance of Hair perhaps?).  Having staff kill you for stealing was another fun moment.  Not an exploit, just using the theft mechanism that was built into the game.

Some sense of professionalism is needed on both sides of the fence.

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#14 by Ergo
2003-03-17 17:46:31
I'm ashamed that Texas is part of the United States.

"Folks, you can't walk into a bar holding a porcupine, set it on fire and expect to make liquorice!" --Dana Carvey as Ross Perot

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#15 by MCorleone
2003-03-17 17:53:06
I don't want to hear Ergo's music on the radio anymore.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#16 by jafd
2003-03-17 18:04:21
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
Wait. What does this topic have to do with... uh, nevermind.

"More of your world needs to revolve around mine."
#17 by CheesyPoof
2003-03-17 18:11:18
I'm ashamed that Texas is part of the United States.

What's to be ashamed about?  So what if the Dixie chicks said something about Bush and now Texas is telling them to STFU.  Big whoop.  This is not much of a surprise to me.
#18 by Ergo
2003-03-17 18:16:42
Cheesy--

It was a joke, son. Simmer down.

"Folks, you can't walk into a bar holding a porcupine, set it on fire and expect to make liquorice!" --Dana Carvey as Ross Perot

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#19 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 18:20:56
They still have a loyal audience........in Bagdad

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#20 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-17 18:21:25
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I'm ashamed that Texas is part of the United States.


Isn't Texas the only state to constitutionally be allowed separate from the US? Didn't they actually separate once?

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#21 by Greg
2003-03-17 18:24:19
You are still losing the battles against your keyboard.

blah blah bleh
#22 by Ergo
2003-03-17 18:24:36
Eric--

No, Texas is allowed to constitutionally break up into 13 (I think) seperate states if it so desires.

"Folks, you can't walk into a bar holding a porcupine, set it on fire and expect to make liquorice!" --Dana Carvey as Ross Perot

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#23 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 18:33:27
Hollywood Halfwits - exposing the ignorance, insanity and anti-Americanism of Hollywood celebrities.

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#24 by Funkdrunk
2003-03-17 18:46:51
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Why is it when people are anti-war their patriotism is immediately attacked?

Funk.

Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still? ~Calvin Coolidge
#25 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-03-17 18:47:47
Because the US is always right.

Sure, it might happen in some fantasy land like Canada or Holland, but not in the real world. - Shadarr
#26 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 18:49:42
http://departmentofinternets.com
because calling someone a traitor or a nazi or a communist is easier than trying to defend an indefensible position.
#27 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 18:53:01
The problem is that they are using their celebrity to campaign against the policy of the United States in time of war.

They have no more expertise on foreign policy and military matters than my plumber. Probably less, since I believe he is a navy veteran. Their celebrity is used to draw crowds to anti-war demonstrations, they hog up television time giving their comments (Mike Farrell was actually on CNN a couple days ago) and no one questions them on their expertise, motives, or funding.

If they have a right to speak on television, and the media will NOT question them, then we have every right to let them know that their opinions aren't in the majority.

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#28 by Funkdrunk
2003-03-17 18:53:53
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
And this makes them anti-american?

Funk

Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still? ~Calvin Coolidge
#29 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 18:55:46
http://departmentofinternets.com
no-one questions them?  i call bullshit on you.
#30 by Caryn
2003-03-17 18:58:38
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I call bullshit that their opinions aren't necessarily the majority.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#31 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 19:02:28
http://departmentofinternets.com
we have every right to let them know that their opinions aren't in the majority.

oops, missed this.  how do you determine what the majority opinion is?  i'm sorry, but filling your day with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Faux News may make it seem like everyone's pro-war, but they aren't.  not by a long shot.  i covered a very large anti-war protest on saturday that drew an estimated 40,000 people (other estiamtes range from 30,000-50,000).  by comparison, there was a pro-war rally on sunday -- it drew 60 people.
#32 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-03-17 19:04:03
Questioned or not, majority or not, doesn't the right to free speech permit people to voice their opinions of their government and any policy that government institutes? Does this exercise of free speech make them un-patriotic? Regardless of fame, or how many people agree with you, or even sheer ignorance you have the right to say what you think, isn't that one of the primariy ideals of 'freedom'

Sure, it might happen in some fantasy land like Canada or Holland, but not in the real world. - Shadarr
#33 by UncleJeet
2003-03-17 19:06:00
Why be ashamed that Bush is from Texas?  I, as a Texan, am extremely proud of the fact that we were able to shovel Bush onto the rest of the nation.  It'd be swell to just seceed from the union now, before the rest of the U.S. catches on and sends him back home.

Seriously though, the only real reason I don't like Bush is that he was installed into office through corrupt means and not at the will of the people.  Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.

I'm not anti-war, either.  I see the reason for needing to topple Saddam....the idealist in me is loathe to admit the necessity, though.  I like the play make-believe that the U.S. is a good and just country on the international front, and that we don't need to topple Saddam just to secure oil interests in the middle east.  I like to pretend that we, as a nation, don't consume massive amounts of oil daily, and are dependent on foreign supply.  I like to think that, because I don't drive an S.U.V. that I'm not a massive consumer.  Truth is, if we want to keep living like we've been living, we need that oil.  If we want to scale back a bit, we might not - and so no need for war.

The problem is, I like driving my car.  I like taking long road trips and using up insane amounts of gas.  I like plastic cups and styrofoam plates, for Pete's sake.  I'm an American - born to excess, and all the happier for it.

Most of your anti-war folks will cry out against attacking Saddam for moral and/or ethical reasons, but very few of them would be willing to make the sacrifices necessary that would actually prevent war by eliminating our dependecy on foreign oil.

Don't get me wrong, though.  I think Bush is brain dead puppet who had his future bought for him before he was even born.  I don't want to go to war with Saddam.  I don't support the war effort.  I don't believe that one can, realistically, support a war that they themselves are unwilling to fight.  If you want war, fine - go sign up.  If you're not willing to do that, then you're just as much of a sniveling fool as the anti-war protestor that puts his picket line signs in the back of his Excursion.

Bleh.

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#34 by Neo-Reaper
2003-03-17 19:06:05
neoreaper@excite.com http://octobermoon.homeip.net
Hollywood Halfwits - exposing the ignorance, insanity and anti-Americanism of Hollywood celebrities.

That site is soooo depressing.

"Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
#35 by Ergo
2003-03-17 19:07:41
Trunk--

Yes, which is what a lot of so-called "patriots" seem to forget. I think that the highest level of patriotism is questioning the actions of your government.

"Folks, you can't walk into a bar holding a porcupine, set it on fire and expect to make liquorice!" --Dana Carvey as Ross Perot

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#36 by Marsh Davies
2003-03-17 19:08:54
www.verbalchilli.com
Those be some ace photos Leslie.

How did you get that high shot of all the people at the Waterfront?

#37 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 19:09:50
We only get 12% of our Oil from Iraq.  If this war was over oil, we would bomb Canada first since we get more oil from them.

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#38 by Funkdrunk
2003-03-17 19:11:07
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
#35 Ergo
Trunk--

Yes, which is what a lot of so-called "patriots" seem to forget. I think that the highest level of patriotism is questioning the actions of your government.


You beat me to it.  This is where I was going when I asked about the patriotism being attacked.  I was trying to get the proper lead in response.  It doesn't matter if you're pro or anti war, the fact that you're challenging the government is what has, in the past, made this country look at itself and improve.  Whenever I see that dynamic being stifled I get annoyed.

Funk.

Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still? ~Calvin Coolidge
#39 by Marsh Davies
2003-03-17 19:12:20
www.verbalchilli.com
Jeet

I'm against war for a plethora of reasons, but this comment -

If you're not willing to do that, then you're just as much of a sniveling fool as the anti-war protestor that puts his picket line signs in the back of his Excursion.


 - strikes me as inane. Just because someone doesn't want to risk their life shouldn't mean they can't think that sending in people, who are better trained and more willing, isn't a good or necessary thing.

#40 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 19:13:12
http://departmentofinternets.com
but think of how much more oil you could get for you 12mpg SUV if you controlled those oilfields.  and it's so much cheaper to simply annex a country than to trade with it.  cue the cigar smoking, moustache twirling, supervillain/ceo.
#41 by Charles
2003-03-17 19:16:41
www.bluh.org
We only get 12% of our Oil from Iraq.  If this war was over oil, we would bomb Canada first since we get more oil from them.


Yeah, most people seem to forget that we have more oil currently accessible by modern means than most of the middle east.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#42 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 19:17:32
http://departmentofinternets.com
Marsh Davies
How did you get that high shot of all the people at the Waterfront?

it was taken from the morrison bridge.
#43 by Trolly McTroll
2003-03-17 19:24:50
In other "peace" rallies around the country, antiwar demonstrators shouted down and refused to allow speeches by conservative speakers, protested the presence of military recruiters on their campuses and in San Francisco, demanded that parents refuse to allow any information be given about their students to the Feds.

All in America have a right to speak their mind, all have the right to criticize as they see fit, and Americans even have the right to be political satirists. Sadly, the Left has so forgotten how and by whom that right was achieved, they can't even fathom the notion that it still needs to be fought for.

" ..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it. "  - Wudi
"It doesnt have enough dicks to be a gaymobile." - bago
#44 by Matt Perkins
2003-03-17 19:27:44
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Trolly

Sadly, the Left has so forgotten how and by whom that right was achieved, they can't even fathom the notion that it still needs to be fought for.


Listen to Rush less, think for yourself more.

"It's all fair game once you click "post", mind you." - Bailey
#45 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 19:33:44
http://departmentofinternets.com
protested the presence of military recruiters on their campuses and in San Francisco, demanded that parents refuse to allow any information be given about their students to the Feds

good grief, you say that like it's a bad thing.  i'm surprised you're so in gung-ho about giving "the feds" information about your "students" (the lefties call them children) considering the way conservatives howl whenever the spectre of gun registration is raised...
#46 by Leslie Nassar
2003-03-17 19:35:23
http://departmentofinternets.com
... or is it that conservatives simply respect their guns more than their children?  that would explain why bush, cheney, and rumsfeld are so eager to send kids into battle i guess.
#47 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-17 19:40:22
erictcheng@hotmail.com
The problem is that they are using their celebrity to campaign against the policy of the United States in time of war.


The US has yet to declare war on another country. The "war on terrorism" is like the "war of drugs," both are never ending because unlike a country there's no armistace or peace treaty to stop the hostilities.

Of course, if the US declares war on Iraq it would be an act of agression and Iraq would have the right to defend itself, which includes pre-emptive strikes.

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#48 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-17 19:41:52
erictcheng@hotmail.com
... or is it that conservatives simply respect their guns more than their children?  that would explain why bush, cheney, and rumsfeld are so eager to send kids into battle i guess.


Aren't a good number of the Reservists cops as well? Doesn't that mean there are less police in the cities to protect people against criminals and possible terrorists?

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#49 by Your Friend
2003-03-17 19:43:12

They have no more expertise on foreign policy and military matters than my plumber.


Yeah but your plumber will be just as quick to give his opinion to anyone who will listen.  The only difference with celebrities is that they have a wider audience.  Celebrities are just people.  People have opinions.  People voice opinions.  Celebrity opinions are no more -- but also no less -- important than other people's.  And oddly enough, I wouldn't be aware of about 80% of those celebrity opinions mentioned on that site if the anti-celebrity site hadn't broadcast them to me...

Also, the 'right' is quick to condemn any 'left' celebrities who say anything, yet would not do the same against, say, Charlton Heston or Ted Nugent.  And one of their most revered Presidents was an actor for fuck's sake.... What could HE possibly know about politics?

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#50 by Your Friend
2003-03-17 19:47:12
Also, if I hear one more fat fucking Republican complain about "The Liberal Media", I might just go postal.

The "media" taken as a whole is quite clearly right-biased these days (they go where the money is, and the right has been bringing in more viewers/readers since the dawn of Fox News).  Not that I specifically care that the media is right-biased, but having the right still talk about the "liberal media this" and the "liberal media that" and "oh how we are victimized by the liberal media" just pisses me off.

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