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That's right, it's time for another Deus Ex topic.
January 8th 2003, 16:25 CET by Charles

I was recently pointed at the current poll on voodooextreme.  I found it interesting that of all the games listed, Deus Ex 2 was in second place for most anticipated game of 2003, beaten only by Doom 3.  At the time I write this, the poll has just over twelve thousand votes.  Deus Ex 2 is ahead of Star Wars Galaxies, Halo, and Duke Nukem Forever.

Pretty impressive for a game that only exists to the public in the form of a few pieces of concept art, a couple early screenshots, a movie, and a few choice words by the developers.  None of the released media even gives a hint as to the quality of the final game.  They've been keeping a low profile (easily lower than DNF and 3d realms' whole "We are making the best game ever made ever" campaign), and the only real hype for the game has been coming from psycho fans like myself.  Now, I'm not so self-aggrandizing as to believe that I've single handedly made Deus Ex 2 the second most anticipated title of 2003.  

Consider also voodooextreme's demographic.  It seems almost as if a game like Deus Ex 2 would be underrepresented in their poll.  Considering the average VE reader would have been the same kind of person to sit there and call Deus Ex the worst game ever because they couldn't get 300FPS when the game came out, while slagging it for being made by Ion Storm.  

Consider also the titles it is beating:  
SWG.  A game designed from conception to appeal to the largest rabid fanbase on earth.  Considered a license to print money, and considering the amount of press and marketing going in to it, I find it extremely interesting that Deus Ex 2 is beating it in the poll.  
Halo.  Perhaps it missed its prime chance on the PC, but it's still a highly anticipated title, and is riding the wave of the success of the xbox version.  It'll sell an absurd amount of copies, and I can't see it doing less than amazing.
DNF.  A game so hyped and evangelized that there isn't a gamer on earth that doesn't know about it.  Regardless of the long term sales of the game when (if?) it gets released, the amount of hype dwarfs Deus Ex 2.  

So here we have Deus Ex 2.  The first game was highly regarded by most of the people that played it.  It looked like ass, and could have used a ton of polish.  Mainstream appeal isn't exactly a term you'd use to describe it.  It ran like a pig on all but the most powerful systems (most of which came out after the game did), it had horrible voice acting, and no copy protection.  It even had a crappy name that was hard to market!

Yet, despite all of this, and a lack of real marketing on the part of Ion Storm for the second, the game seems well anticipated.  Is this a triumph of word of mouth?  Proof that marketing isn't everything?  Does it show that a good game will sell even when flying in the face of market theory?  Or is it just the fact that Deus Ex 2 is going to be the best damn game ever made, and everyone knows it?
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#1 by jjz
2003-01-08 16:25:58
I liked Deus Ex.
#2 by Chunkstyle
2003-01-08 16:28:32
Me too.
#3 by Matt Davis
2003-01-08 16:30:21
http://looroll.com
Another? What?

#4 by EricFate
2003-01-08 16:31:37
I just chalk it up to the fact that the first game was fun and memorable.
#5 by MCorleone
2003-01-08 16:33:23
I wonder if they'll have to tone down the storyline due to the increased power of the state by the time it's released.  Speaking of storylines, did anyone actually read the books scattered about DX1?  What was the story about?

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#6 by Chunkstyle
2003-01-08 16:34:43
VE is read by hard-core gamers, hard-core gamers are the ones who bought and enjoyed Deus Ex.  So the poll made sense.

However, as of this morning, DE2 is losing to Star Wars Galaxies and Doom III.  So, there you go.

Whatever happened to Apache?
#7 by Greg
2003-01-08 16:39:55
VoodooExtreme is still around?

#8 by Wheelie
2003-01-08 16:40:18
I have reached the Hong Kong levels now. Judging by the number of augumentations I have it should be about half way through.
A damn good game.

fdlplffdpt!
#9 by Wheelie
2003-01-08 16:42:50
The books just lays the ground for massive conspiracy blah. Some of them offer a bit of background to the story. Others just set the tone of the game.

fdlplffdpt!
#10 by Funkdrunk
2003-01-08 16:54:31
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Chunkstyle

Whatever happened to Apache?


He got chased away because of his excessive off topic pimpage of his site.

Funk.

An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.  ~Henry L. Mencken
#11 by Chunkstyle
2003-01-08 17:17:18
I was curious as to why he left here, but I really wanted to know what happened to him at VE?
#12 by Dethstryk
2003-01-08 17:17:55
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I wish that Deus Ex were a woman, so that I could make sweet love to it. And maybe her tits would be augmented.

#13 by Bailey
2003-01-08 17:22:36
But your wang wouldn't be, so it's still a vicious little circle.

The shaved head is the most highly evolved and aerodynamic form of scalp-based life known to man. Also, sexy.
#14 by MCorleone
2003-01-08 17:28:20
What would be appropriate for technological breast augmentation, a beer spigot from one nipple and three-foot coiled pepperoni stick from the other?

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#15 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-08 17:35:48
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Apache has a site?

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#16 by Matt Davis
2003-01-08 17:38:47
http://looroll.com
Apache has a site?

What Funkdrunk meant was he got chased off planetcrap for over promoting VE.

#17 by MCorleone
2003-01-08 17:40:49
I think Warren knew that.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#18 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-08 17:41:51
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I didn't actually ... I thought he was running a new site or something.  I am teh dumb.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#19 by Matt Davis
2003-01-08 17:42:04
http://looroll.com
Well Warrens sachasm was obviously not deep enough.

#20 by Bailey
2003-01-08 17:42:08
Poor MattD. Where is your infamous british sense of humor now?

The shaved head is the most highly evolved and aerodynamic form of scalp-based life known to man. Also, sexy.
#21 by Matt Davis
2003-01-08 17:42:18
http://looroll.com
oh, and I've been ill lately.

#22 by Bailey
2003-01-08 17:42:54
Dammit, you guys resolved the issue before I could emit a sarky comment.

The shaved head is the most highly evolved and aerodynamic form of scalp-based life known to man. Also, sexy.
#23 by Ergo
2003-01-08 17:46:00
Why is Deus Ex 2 so high on the poll? Two words: ballot stuffing.

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#24 by Bailey
2003-01-08 17:47:12
Also: geeks.

The shaved head is the most highly evolved and aerodynamic form of scalp-based life known to man. Also, sexy.
#25 by Ergo
2003-01-08 17:51:45
Now you're just being cruel.

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#26 by jafd
2003-01-08 17:58:41
Deus Ex gets attention because it's the only place to go for a whole bunch of niche delicacies that discerning folk can't get elsewhere.

Are you a fan of: Conspiracy? Warren Spector? Nanotech? Escape From New York? Sneaking around and blowing out the backs of skulls? Right this way, get in line, don't jostle.

Well, maybe not the only place, just the only place that doesn't suck. I still can't believe that there are people who thought that Deus Ex was too long. You people are stupid.

#27 by Ergo
2003-01-08 18:03:09
I'm a fan of none of those things, but I still really liked the game. As for it being too long, I can't comment. I haven't finished it yet.

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#28 by jafd
2003-01-08 18:14:40
You are not a fan of Warren Spector?

...

So, so dead to me.

#29 by Ergo
2003-01-08 18:21:42
Urk. Yes, I am a fan of Spector's games, especially Ultima Underworld.

In other news, Fatbabies has an update today.

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#30 by Chunkstyle
2003-01-08 18:33:07
I think Ng Yo is going for Troll of the Year, using only new topics.
#31 by chris
2003-01-08 18:33:54
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
I think Deus Ex has enjoyed more success than its initial sales numbers indicate. When the game first came out, no one played it... but as more and more people started going "hey, wait, this is one of the best games I've ever played," it started to get a pretty strong word-of-mouth campaign. Couple that with the fact that it won half a bazillion game of the year awards in '00... and you've got a title that has probably sold steadily, if not spectacularly, and has been played by a good chunk of people who like FPS games.

I'm still waiting for a better PC Game... Hopefully this'll be the year.

-chris
#32 by jjz
2003-01-08 18:43:15
You know, I really hate the term "hardcore gamers".  It's really quite meaningless.
#33 by Caryn
2003-01-08 18:47:38
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
jjz:

You know, I really hate the term "hardcore gamers".  It's really quite meaningless.


I don't think so. There are gamers, and there are hardcore gamers. There's a definite demographic split.

"I felt that I was inhabiting some kind of interdimensional nexus where the sum total suck from this and all other universes crossed paths." - Terata
#34 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2003-01-08 18:49:55
Some of the people on Shacknews really want me to impale a nail into my eye.
#35 by Ergo
2003-01-08 18:51:28
Why waste time there, then?

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#36 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2003-01-08 18:52:19
Cause I am an addict :(
#37 by Neo-Reaper
2003-01-08 19:16:03
neoreaper@excite.com http://octobermoon.homeip.net
There are gamers, and there are hardcore gamers. There's a definite demographic split.

Is it really that cut and dry, though?

"Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
#38 by Your Friend
2003-01-08 19:18:49

Is it really that cut and dry, though?


Pretty much.  It is easy to tell the two groups apart, the hardcore gamers are the ones who whine about every detail of a game while still playing it for 8 hours a day.

2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
#39 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-08 19:20:03
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
The hardcore and casual groups from any section of society are pretty easy to spot.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#40 by Charles
2003-01-08 19:20:04
www.bluh.org
I read a lot of the story stuff in Deus Ex, including emails and propaganda.  The first time I played the game, everything felt over the top and exaggerated.  Playing again post sept-11 amid all the terror terror, all of the stuff in Deus Ex suddenly sounds like propaganda you hear every day on the news (if you bother with news).  I found that pretty creepy.  

"He knows I like orange!  It is a conspiracy!"

This topic was a good idea.  8)
#41 by Caryn
2003-01-08 19:23:30
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
It's very cut and dry. So cut and dry that I was hired based on that split. :P

"I felt that I was inhabiting some kind of interdimensional nexus where the sum total suck from this and all other universes crossed paths." - Terata
#42 by Ergo
2003-01-08 19:24:34
The hardcore and casual groups from any section of society are pretty easy to spot.

Oh, so very true...

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#43 by Marsh Davies
2003-01-08 19:35:00
www.verbalchilli.com
Cool applet that allows you to zoom in from a shot of the galaxy to a quark that you've probably all already seen.

- Marsh -
#44 by jjz
2003-01-08 19:39:56
Please define when someone makes the crossover.
#45 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-08 19:47:38
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
When they start denying it.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#46 by Caryn
2003-01-08 19:48:43
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Gamers:

- buy a small number of games per year
- buy games based mostly on recommendations from their friends (or playing demos they've gotten off magazine CDs)
- are primarily into games like The Sims, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4, etc.
- generally don't know what mods are or where they would find them
- probably have never heard of VE or Blue's

Hardcore Gamers:

- make up the primary audience of FPS games like Wolfenstein, SoF, etc.
- know what mods are
- have probably played a mod
- hang out at gaming sites/forums like VE or Shack
- buy a larger number of games per year than non-hardcore gamers
- know a lot more about titles that haven't been released yet
- are more likely to follow the development progress of games
- are generally the ones making the word-of-mouth recommendations to their non-hardcore friends

There are a lot more things you could put into those categories, but those are some basic criteria. There isn't one thing that makes one crossover, but a compelling crossover criteria would be how well they know the mod community for any genre that has one. That's always been a traditional split between the two groups.

"I felt that I was inhabiting some kind of interdimensional nexus where the sum total suck from this and all other universes crossed paths." - Terata
#47 by Post-It
2003-01-08 19:48:51
keithlee@speakeasy.net
Dethstryk:

I wish that Deus Ex were a woman, so that I could make sweet love to it. And maybe her tits would be augmented.


I recently dated a girl with rings through both her nipples, does that count?

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#48 by MCorleone
2003-01-08 19:48:55
I just bought a pipe, some black cavendish and the accessories at lunch.  Although technically going back to smoking, it's not cigarettes so I claim a moral victory.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#49 by AnalFissure
2003-01-08 19:49:39
http://sokaisha.hp.infoseek.co.jp/030108/030108.htm (worksafe)

Scroll down for the bad news. :(
#50 by chris
2003-01-08 19:50:02
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
Now you just need some nose putty, and we can call you gandalf!

The cigarette discussion we had last month made me want to smoke again, but I've thus far avoided doing so.

-chris
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