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Attack Of The Clones
January 1st 2003, 17:33 CET by Eric T. Cheng

Clonaid, an organization founded by the leader of Raelian, a religious sect who believe that life on Earth was seeded by extra-terristrials, claimed that they have successful produced a human clone.

Clonaid has had no previous scientific history of producing clone animals and its director, Dr. Brigitte Boisselier, claims the group has had a 5-in-10 success rate of artificial insemination of cloned embros (compared to the 1:2250 success rate before the clone sheep Dolly was born five years ago).

Scientists around the world are very skeptical of the news since Clonaid doesn't have the scientific creditials nor have revealed any data and proof of the births other than the press release.

Nature through millions of years of evolution decided that the best way to breed a new generation of a species is through the mating of a male and a female, often through fights, courtship and mating rituals to ensure the strongest and healthiest mates produce the strongest and healthiest offspring.

If the cloned baby is indeed true, it presents possible moral and ethical dilemma of possible technological uses of human clones -- will we see human clones farmed for spare organs and body parts for rich cliente, will we see fanatics trying to resurrect evil dicators, will we see rogue countries breed the supersoldiers or will we have more genetically defective humans than a family reunion in Alabama?
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#1 by zimbardo_ugly
2003-01-01 17:34:25
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There's no cloning a first post.

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#2 by Greg
2003-01-01 17:37:25
There's no cloning a first post.

#3 by Gunp01nt
2003-01-01 17:48:43
supersimon33@hotmail.com
IMHO cloning is only done (or maybe 'attempted') because all the nasty probabilities haven't been proven yet. So some people still have that image of making perfect people, or copies of yourself. Note that it mostly seem to be the highly arrogant or stupid that want more people that are just like themselves.

Or what about that rich couple that can't cope with the loss of their young daughter and now wish to clone her so they can have her back again? Maybe now they still think they'll get exactly their daughter back, but when they don't, I think they, and a lot of people, will realise cloning isn't all that wonderful. There are still too many 'buts'.

besides, what's there to worry about? cloned humans will be weaker than home grown ones, so evolution will do its job, won't it?

Actually, I don't know anything about the ladies either. Wait! I mean, I do! I mean... WGHT! JHGT! Yes I'm Awesome!
#4 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-01 17:50:33
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Well, I guess that's that.  Who wants pie?

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#5 by Gunp01nt
2003-01-01 17:54:50
supersimon33@hotmail.com
me! me!

Actually, I don't know anything about the ladies either. Wait! I mean, I do! I mean... WGHT! JHGT! Yes I'm Awesome!
#6 by Ashiran
2003-01-01 18:01:08
Technology isn't good or evil, only the people who use it are.

Besides it's probably a hoax. If it is not a hoax make way for RE-PET!

#7 by Gunp01nt
2003-01-01 18:04:00
supersimon33@hotmail.com
or for Ashiran(1) and Ashiran(2)?

Actually, I don't know anything about the ladies either. Wait! I mean, I do! I mean... WGHT! JHGT! Yes I'm Awesome!
#8 by Xero
2003-01-01 18:05:00
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
Don't take anyone seriously whose religion is founded on the messianic hallucinations of a wacky Frenchman.


On the 13th of December 1973, French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from an other planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.

 The extra-terrestrial was about four feet in height, had long dark hair, almond shaped eyes, olive skin and exuded harmony and humour. He told Rael that "we were the ones who made all life on earth, you mistook us for gods, we were at the origin of your main religions. Now that you are mature enough to understand this, we would like to enter official contact through an embassy".


Remember the Raelians and their suicidal tendencies?

Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
#9 by E-ph0nk
2003-01-01 18:15:16
http://www.electrophonk.be
cloning is teh next daikatana

*sigh*
#10 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:16:39
http://www.jackinworld.com
The Swiss adherents have introduced themselves at the Federal Assembly and have already demanded diplomatic status for Elohim. Besides that they want the government to erect a UFO landing field and an ambassador's residence. Otto Stich, who was then a member of the Federal Assembly, responded by asking if Elohim, as a counter-gesture, would be willing to establish a Swiss embassy on his planet. Since then a diplomatic news black-out has been in effect.


LOL

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#11 by LPMiller
2003-01-01 18:18:04
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Cloning will have some practical uses, as will people cloning, but never the way sci fi and media seem to fear. New technology never does what people expect.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#12 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-01 18:22:57
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Cloning seems most useful for spare part harvesting ... but I'm sure I'll be labelled as a monster or something for saying that.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#13 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:24:19
http://departmentofinternets.com
What good is technology if it can't be abused?  Winona Ryder clones for all!

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#14 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:24:45
http://departmentofinternets.com
Warren = Monster

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#15 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:30:03
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Warren

Cloning seems most useful for spare part harvesting

There's always the 'xenotransplantation' option.

That reminds me, does science have a Wired-esque Vaporware award?

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#16 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:30:56
http://www.jackinworld.com
I'm not against cloning at all. I believe that it can be used to do many good things for us in the future. Ofcourse, it would also be possible to use it to do a lot of bad things, but that shouldn't stop scientists from doing it and doing more research on it. Like a hamer: you can use a hamer to build stuff, but ou can also use a hamer to seriously hurt someone if you want.

And I do like their ultimate goal, to create immortality. By making a clone of yourself and trasferring your brain to it so you can live on in a new body. Think of other possibilities, you lose a limb somehow or get some serious disease like AIDS, all you would have to do is create a clone, transfer your brain to that clone and you can continue to live a healthy life. Apart from that we can also try to clone some of our bests scientists so that they continue to live on and can continue their research. They should seriously look into creating one or more clones of Einstein.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#17 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-01-01 18:32:05
I don't get this fascination with cloning humans that some scientists have.  We have 6+ billion humans on the planet, created by a simple and inexpensive method, with a built-in improvement process for new humans (slow, but effective).  There doesn't seem to be any problem in creating people, at least on a macro scale.  So let's create an incredibly expensive process that creates degraded copies and call it progress.

Artificial insemination and other techniques for overcoming fertility issues at least continue the process of combining different DNA.  They do possibly carry forward genetic defects that otherwise would be dropped from the gene pool.  It seems to me that cloning has the possibility of introducing new genetic defects/mutations into the gene pool.

Happy New Year everyone

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#18 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:32:22
http://departmentofinternets.com
Does a hamer build hams?

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#19 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:33:11
http://www.jackinworld.com
Before the spelling nazis kick in: I know is hammer.
Just woke up.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#20 by Warren Marshall
2003-01-01 18:33:50
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
It seems to me that cloning has the possibility of introducing new genetic defects/mutations into the gene pool.

I certainly hope so.  I've been stock piling supplies and I've got my shotgun loaded ... the muties won't stand a chance.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#21 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:34:12
http://www.jackinworld.com
Fuck, too late.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#22 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:34:13
http://www.jackinworld.com
Fuck, too late.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#23 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:34:59
http://departmentofinternets.com
Sucker.

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#24 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:35:03
http://www.jackinworld.com
jesus h. christ, i need a drink.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#25 by jjohnsen
2003-01-01 18:38:21
http://www.johnsenclan.com
It sounds like thats the last thing you need, aren't you posting drunk right now?

#26 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 18:40:42
http://departmentofinternets.com
The last time I checked, Star Trek isn't based in the scientific fact.

Or perhaps it is... if that's the case, maybe it's time to divert those billions of dollars from scientific research to donuts, coffee, and smack research.

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#27 by Greg
2003-01-01 18:46:03
Double postings are just a manifestion of morn's evil cloning attempts!

#28 by Foodbunny
2003-01-01 18:51:55
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Harvesting organs from clones would be wasteful and far too time consuming.  With stem cell research it's far more likely we'll just clone individual organs rather than trying to raise a full clone to maturity to get spare parts.

It won't have any impact on DNF.  Nothing really does.
#29 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 18:59:12
http://www.jackinworld.com
#25 I wish I were.

#27 morn would probably clone Pablo first.

- Escobar? The drug dealer?

No his cat.

- His cat deals drugs too?

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#30 by yotsuya
2003-01-01 19:01:36
So if Joker jerks his clone off, is that technically masturbation?

Lust can never be satisfied with a pink highlighter
#31 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-01-01 19:06:24
erictcheng@hotmail.com
What about cloning spec ops soldiers for an army of duplicate and submissive supersoldiers? During WWII, Nazi Germany had human breeding farms, where volunteer teenage girls were impregnated by blond, blue-eyed SS- men, to bear children for the Fuhrer. Perhaps the nutty president of North Korea help fund the Raelians in their cloning technology in hopes of building a bigger army?

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#32 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 19:10:23
http://www.jackinworld.com
I would very much want a female clone of myself.

Also, in the future it would be easy, because I could just take one hair of a very beautiful girl i would like to bang, and have her cloned just for me.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#33 by Marsh Davies
2003-01-01 19:20:38
www.verbalchilli.com
You're such an idealist.

- Marsh -
#34 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 19:21:44
http://departmentofinternets.com
So if Joker jerks his clone off, is that technically masturbation?

No, it's just fucked up.

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#35 by Ashiran
2003-01-01 19:27:23
Also, in the future it would be easy, because I could just take one hair of a very beautiful girl i would like to bang, and have her cloned just for me.

Sounds like a very expensive Realdoll to me.

Whoops! There goes the sanctity of life again!

#36 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 19:38:31
http://departmentofinternets.com
What is the sanctity of life, exactly?

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#37 by bago
2003-01-01 19:42:28
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
I beleive that this is the best statement on cloning I can come up with right now.

There are only 10 types of people in the world - those that understand binary and those that don't.
#38 by The_Joker
2003-01-01 20:04:02
http://www.jackinworld.com
Wait a second, does jerking myself off make me gay?

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#39 by General Disarray
2003-01-01 20:20:18
newsflash@yourmomisacunt.com
So if Joker jerks his clone off, is that technically masturbation?


You're a teacher right?  You should know this stuff.
#40 by Ashiran
2003-01-01 20:22:22
Wait a second, does jerking myself off make me gay?

Ah yes, let's have the good old discussion about why mastrubation isn't gay and performing oral sex on yourself is gay.

#41 by jjohnsen
2003-01-01 20:25:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Wait a second, does jerking myself off make me gay?


This is one of the many reasons you are gay.  A unhealthy penis fixation is another.

#42 by ...an ethereal being...
2003-01-01 20:27:40
I certainly hope so.  I've been stock piling supplies and I've got my shotgun loaded ... the muties won't stand a chance.


I wouldn't be too sure; it could turn out like a zombie flick with you trapped in your apartment with clones on all sides trying to get your "genetic material."

Alternately, cloning could be turned into a reality program, Genetic Junkyard Wars.  Teams of cult members create beings that have to compete in a contest of skill.  Or Genetic Bachelor where teams compete to produce super-wives that vie for the affection of a suitor (on Fox of course).  The winning teams get rocket rides to the comet of their choice, while the runner-ups get Nikes and chemical sterilization drugs.

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#43 by Nacho
2003-01-01 20:32:39
Clonaid is definitely an organization I'd trust with growing and transplanting spare internal organs... and they probably have good Kool Aid in their hospital's waiting room.

(Never fear, the spaceship is coming!)

<smartandfunnysig>. .</smartandfunnysig>
#44 by Creole Ned
2003-01-01 21:14:50
Speaking of gay, there is a nice selection of hardcore gay porn available for your viewing pleasure on the official UT2003 forums right now. Perhaps they are testing the waters for a more provocative adult edition of the game in the future.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#45 by nothing
2003-01-01 21:23:44
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Nature through millions of years of evolution decided that the best way to breed a new generation of a species is through the mating of a male and a female

This is kind of a pet peeve of mine.  Thinking that somehow technology and evolution are somehow at odds with each other.

It seems to me that if thousands of years of evolution helped to create this cool squishy brain that we have, that things that we create are also part of evolution.  The best analogy I can come up with off the top of my head is a Bird's nest.  I suppose technically evolution isn't responsible for a bird's nest, but it is responsible for the brain that the bird has, and the claws and beak the bird uses to build the thing, and over thousands of years I guess that nests turned out to be the ideal solution for the bird, since all the birds make them now.

I think that maybe cloning, like mass transportation, and communication, and medicine, is just one of the next steps in evolution for humans.  Just because we came up with it ourselves doesn't mean it's somehow evil and unnatural.

The world makes me go tharn
#46 by Fallon
2003-01-01 21:36:42
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Cloning will at least end that great psychological debate - is it nature, or experience, that makes us how we are?

I personally would like to clone many famous people and just put them in celebrity boxing matches. The fun!

"Will Wright, creator of The Sims, is 98% carbon and 2% plaster."
#47 by deadlock
2003-01-01 22:13:24
http://www.deadlocked.org/
You and your wife would like to have children. You are both intelligent, healthy, attractive people. Do you:

a) embark on a long, tedious, insanely expensive process that entails extracting DNA material from one or other of you, analysing it for anomalies, or 'bad' genes, selecting the characteristics you would most like your child to inherit and then suffering mental anguish and heartbreak as hundreds of embryos are implanted into, and miscarried by, your wife?

or do you:

b) shag each other's brains out for the next few weeks, taking care to step up your reproductive efforts in the second half of her menstrual cycle?

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#48 by Leslie Nassar
2003-01-01 22:20:14
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And if you substitute IVF for cloning in that choice, you still pick B because you're a perfectly healthy couple with perfectly normal reproductive systems.  Does that make IVF silly or useless for everyone else?

"If we allowed everyone who wanted to drop their pants and moon police officers, we are undermining the authority of the police."
-- Senior Sergeant Michael Purcell, police prosecutor
#49 by deadlock
2003-01-01 22:40:57
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Point taken, although I was just taking the piss out of the notion that these kind of techniques will somehow make reproductive sex obsolete.

there's stains on the carpet and crap on the pavement
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#50 by deadlock
2003-01-01 22:46:20
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Actually, what I'm specifically referring to is the fear that some social/religious groups have that cloning techniques, combined with advances in genetic engineering will be used to pick and choose the traits that future generations will have. Although I don't doubt that some (very very wealthy, very very vain) people will take advantage of these emergent technologies to do just that, I find it difficult to believe that most people (even the very wealthy) would eschew actual sex.

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