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Turn Them Inside-Out And They'll Last Another Week
December 14th 2002, 03:12 CET by Dumdeedum

The other day I saw some sikhs on the television and when I wasn't stirred into a bloodlust frenzy I knew it was time to play Hitman 2 again.

Only one problem faced me; I'd already played the game through a couple of times so there wasn't much of a challenge left, every guard's patrol pattern is etched into my brain, each route, each weapon, all of it is known.  So I decided that I'd try playing each level, but I'd impose two rules on myself, firstly that everyone on the level must die (excluding those that would fail me the mission), and secondly that no alarms must be raised.  Much fun and minority-killing-hijinks ensued for at least half an hour whereupon the game crashed.

Now creating your own little sub-games may be part and parcel of your new-fangled freeform games like GTA3, but we've all done it since our first gaming steps, be it as simple as executing every scientist in Half-Life or more involved like these for Thief.  The very first time I can recall doing it was playing deathmatch mariocart except with green shells only - a sort of early Rocket Arena, but I'm sure there's many I've forgotten.

Mods and mutators have their place, but for the poor man a little imagination can extend game life just as effectively.  My question at this point is fairly obvious: What ways have you come up with to wring out that last drop of gaming entertainment?
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#1 by Creole Ned
2002-12-14 03:25:53
Unfortunately, a lot of games limit the amount of freedom you have to try wacky stuff.

When I played MoH multiplayer, we'd occasionally (on our private server) have a rule that you could use rifles only or no walking (sneaking) to freshen things up a bit. In GTA3 I've amused myself far too much by finding a safe place to hole up and then racking up six stars and continuing to shoot rockets/molotovs/anything else handy until I was out of ammo, then making the hellbent sprint to get my vehicle painted so I could start over.

In UT, I've gathered with a few friends to play Translocator Olympics on Facing Worlds, the object of which was to use your translocator to get over the gap between the two bases (failure resulted in a nice fountain of gibs). We've used floaty corpses in UT2003 to try for the most spectacular deaths (two and a half months in and the karma stuff still ain't getting old). Wingwalking in BF1942 or otherwise trying to stay on a vehicle you shouldn't really be on is another.

Hmm, not a lot of great stuff from me. I need more time to think. I had just voted yes and the topic got pushed through. I thought that was only supposed to happen when we voted no. :P

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#2 by JP
2002-12-14 03:32:34
this one from an old IRC friend:

try to get all the way through Fallout, killing only children, only with eye and crotch shots.  wearing only the purple robes.
#3 by jjohnsen
2002-12-14 03:37:14
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I've tried to get through Half-Life with crowbar only, but could never do it.

I am trying to catch up to Ergo's Dvd collection.
#4 by Mank
2002-12-14 04:06:55
Trying to play Quake2 MP without using the Railgun was a challenge..=)

Other than that, upping the difficulty settings have been my only means of replaying most of the games I cared enough about to actually replay. The toughest challenge for me is not reverting to the cheats when I become stuck somewhere in a game.

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
#5 by Bezzy
2002-12-14 04:28:13
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
In GTA3, I have recently been surfing MoonBeams while lobbing pineapples off the back as the police try to catch up.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#6 by Hugin
2002-12-14 05:27:00
lmccain@nber.org
I went throgh a long cycle of playing Mechcommander over and over, taking lower and lower weight limits every time, and then eventully completing most of the missions with just a scout mech and few minelayers. Twas fun.
#7 by jafd
2002-12-14 07:06:13
Whenever your save your game, take a quick huff of glue.

Freedom from the Ass of Doom is the treasure you will win.
#8 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 07:41:22
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I used to play the original UT on slomo .1 and just obliterate the bots.  It was fun for a while.  Your mouse look was normal speed so you could twist in the air and get 2 or 3 perfectly placed rocket shots off before landing.  Was a great time killer.

Don't get me started on instagib ...

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#9 by Bezzy
2002-12-14 08:06:03
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
I direct all design nuts at a text describing the idea of this user created goals vs. designer intended goals concept. It's a bit academic and dry, but sort of interesting.

Here.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#10 by TheTrunkDr.
2002-12-14 08:21:33
instagib sucks!

She has a 286, Windows Millenium Edition, 2 gig.  I think that is all I really need to go on, right?
#11 by Squeaky
2002-12-14 08:29:27
I played all the way through Fallout 1 with only a sledgehammer. And none of that power-hammer shit either.

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#12 by Whisp
2002-12-14 08:38:03
Speaking of Mario Kart, I used to do the green shell-only thing in the original SNES version too.  Also, if I didn't have any friends around, a fun diversion was to see how many red shells in battle mode you could get orbiting the other player simultaneously.  Extra points if you can get them going opposite with opposite spins.  If you've never done it, give it a go - it's pretty funny.

Googlism: whisp is de expert in zwerkbal
#13 by Bailey
2002-12-14 09:03:13
Sort of like fisting.

The only thing that comes out of my keyboard is sarcastic bile and horrible lies.
#14 by sentinel
2002-12-14 10:05:41
How about playing Counter-Strike by sitting in a safe spot all the time with just an AWP? Oh wait...
#15 by Ergo
2002-12-14 10:12:00
Not so much a replay thing, but over the course ofthe entire Bard's Tale series I used two paladins called Sturm and Drang.  I envisioned them as brothers, the meatheads of the party--utterly stupid but incredibly strong. Sort of a Hans and Frans before that skit was even invented. In my infinite geekiness, I built up a whole backstory for them. It was a lot of fun.

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#16 by Lobo
2002-12-14 12:07:45
I've played a LOT of co-op Rogue Spear multiplayer with a friend of mine, and we've thought up a few new challenges to keep it fresh:

--Always play on Elite difficulty.
--Always play without AI backup.
--Alternate mode:  CIA.  Take light armor, with the only weapon being a small caliber pistol.  No grenades.
--Alternate mode:  Mafia.  Light armor, weapons taken from shotgun, uzi, or SAW (with Urban Ops expansion pack).  The SAW simulates a Tommy gun.
--Alternate mode:  "Terrorist".  The object is to terrify the AI opponents by causing as much noise as possible.  This means breaking windows on sight, lots of grenades and C4, no silencers, and no walking.  AK-47s for guns.

Back in the day, I used to play a "perimeter defense" version of Warcraft 2.  The first player to be able to cast blizzard or pestilence on the opposing player's town hall won the game.  Led to some interesting base designs and troop deployments.

It was always fun to try to beat missions in Tie Fighter using lasers only.

Nap-of-the-earth mode in Longbow: If you fly above 100 feet, assume you are automatically shot down by SAMs or AAA.

Links LS using only irons.  No drivers, and you have to chip to the pin.

Games with heavily customizable loadouts -- Mechwarrior games, Interstate 76 -- all had numerous such modifications.

That's about all I can think of right now.  One of the ones I've always heard about is playing through the original Zelda without using a sword (except when absolutely necessary, i.e., to win the game).  Here's a FAQ on the matter.
#17 by Russ
2002-12-14 14:21:51
Speed runs through Quake used to be pretty fun. I remember websites dedicated to just doing that. They had demos recorded as well so you could see how they did it.

I imagine turning games into a drinking game would be pretty fun. Racing games especially would benefit since everyone knows that high speed vehicles + alcohol = fun. I'm gonna test this out and let you know how it works out. Lego Racers here I come!

You're a bit late to the party. We gave up on that discussion days ago. It was too on-topic.--Ergo
#18 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 14:54:29
Hijack;
Can someone explain to me why my lancemates in MW4 Mercenaries can't hit the blind side of a barn? I mean they have max gunnery skill and I'm still stuck shooting everything myself. Is this some kind of Microsoft play to appeal to the "being l33t" of the 14-year old gamer or something?

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#19 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 18:09:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Ashiran

Probably the same reason Caravan guards seem to like hitting me instead of the Golden Gecko chewing on my leg in Fallout2.  No wonder they needed me to come along.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#20 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 18:11:44
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
BTW, don't show Fallout2 to your girlfriends.  Unless you enjoy blank stares and non-reactions.  I'm bravely forging these paths so you don't have to ...

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#21 by LPMiller
2002-12-14 18:12:54
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I can't imagine a dating scenario that would ever require a glance at Fallout2. If you are at the PC, you are doing something seriously wrong.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#22 by Caryn
2002-12-14 18:14:14
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Russ:

Speed runs through Quake used to be pretty fun. I remember websites dedicated to just doing that. They had demos recorded as well so you could see how they did it.


Apparently it's still pretty popular, too, as the web site you're probably thinking about is still being updated. That site's been around forever it seems.

"Ahh, arrogance and stupidity in a single package -- how efficient of you."
#23 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 18:14:32
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I can't imagine a dating scenario that would ever require a glance at Fallout2. If you are at the PC, you are doing something seriously wrong.

Yes, because it's never about hanging out and having fun.  It's about sex.  All the time.  Wooo!!

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#24 by TheTrunkDr.
2002-12-14 18:22:41
Wooo Sex!!!

She has a 286, Windows Millenium Edition, 2 gig.  I think that is all I really need to go on, right?
#25 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 18:22:55
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
WOOOO!!!

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#26 by TheTrunkDr.
2002-12-14 18:30:01
Actually in Warren's defense, I used to have a girlfriend who actually liked watching me play games, mostly starcraft, for some reason. I think it's cause she liked playing it too, and I was better than her at and she wanted to get better (that damn girl also finished diablo before I did!). I remember on several occasions getting home from class and she'd ask me to play starcraft so she could watch. Also I'd play on B.net, she never did, I think she liked watching the competition aspect, she was a rather competitive girl. So you're not necessarily doing something wrong if you're at your PC.

She has a 286, Windows Millenium Edition, 2 gig.  I think that is all I really need to go on, right?
#27 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 18:47:46
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
And in my own defense, she ASKED.  And then she asked to see GTA3.  So you can all bite me.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#28 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 18:53:31
I stopped playing on regular difficulty after my lancemates failed to hit a dropship. A dropship that was not moving and is 5 stores high. They managed to miss it from 200 meter away...

Oh and from the 66 kills my company made 66 were my own.
Can I have a whoopie for whoever thought implementing the game like this is a good idea?

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#29 by crash
2002-12-14 19:15:14
Ashiran:

Can someone explain to me why my lancemates in MW4 Mercenaries can't hit the blind side of a barn? I mean they have max gunnery skill and I'm still stuck shooting everything myself. Is this some kind of Microsoft play to appeal to the "being l33t" of the 14-year old gamer or something?

uh, you actually use them to complete mission objectives? for me, they're bait to keep enemy mechs busy and off my back while i get the job done. they're real good at that, anyway, cos apparently the enemies don't know my lancemates can't shoot for shit, so they stay tangled up with 'em.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#30 by Ergo
2002-12-14 19:22:31
Warren--

She was being NICE, you dolt!!

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#31 by Caryn
2002-12-14 19:26:41
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
When my husband and I were dating we used to love watching each other play games, though it was him mostly watching me. We would go to his brother's house -- his brother had all the cool games -- and the three of us would trade off playing and the two not playing would watch for entertainment and do the typical, "go there! Yeah! Through that door!" It was a blast. We sat for hours one night playing through Cyberia, which had a neat story and was a fun game to play. It turned out that of the three of us, I was the best at it, so although we'd been trading off (when you died, you gave up your spot to one of the other two in turn), eventually my husband and his brother told me to just keep playing when I'd die so they could just sit and watch the story and help out with the puzzles. Lots of fun.

"Ahh, arrogance and stupidity in a single package -- how efficient of you."
#32 by Warren Marshall
2002-12-14 19:27:00
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
She was being NICE, you dolt!!

I saw your mother the other day.  Nice army boots.

Put on your two step shoes, lose the blues and dance like it's year zero.
#33 by Ergo
2002-12-14 19:29:36
Oh yeah? Well, you're another! *rimshot*

There are no bigger liars than quacks except for their patients. -Benjamin Franklin

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#34 by Caryn
2002-12-14 19:31:28
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Is that a variation on the classic, "I know you are, but what am I?"

"Ahh, arrogance and stupidity in a single package -- how efficient of you."
#35 by Hugin
2002-12-14 20:20:56
lmccain@nber.org
I agree with crash.  Your lancemates run interference for you while you finish the mission objectives.  And honestly, they aren't that bad past the mid-game, they're supposed to start off bad and get better as the game progresses, in the last mission of MW4, I got so badly chewed up taking out the dropship and the mechs guarding the power generator,  I basically hid the last half of the mission while my lancemates took out a half dozen heavy and assault mechs for me (with my head red, and all three of my torsos blinking red, and both my arms shot off, I didn't exactly feel brave).
#36 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 20:37:12
So later in the game they actually start manage to hit something? And even *gasp* kill things?
Wonder!

Even so I still say it's stupid. I mean, they can't even hit things that aren't moving.

uh, you actually use them to complete mission objectives?

Well I TRIED to do that.

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#37 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 20:42:28
I mean is it so wrong to want to feel like you are part of a team rather then having a bunch of angry chickens running around attracting fire?

Is it really that necassery I have to do everything myself? The last mission was a blast, I ordered 5 lancemates (all gunnery skill of 100) to attack a single light mech. After 10 minutes they only damaged the left arm a bit.
That is not realistic, that is not good design, that is not logical. And it frustrates me to no end as you may have noticed!

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#38 by crash
2002-12-14 20:43:15
oh. well, given the state of "AI" in games, i just assume enemies are stone-cold lethal killers while my posse is comprised of Larry, Curly, and Shemp. seems to work out more often than not.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#39 by Hugin
2002-12-14 21:29:29
lmccain@nber.org
Er, okay, Ashiran, are you engaging in hyperbole now?  Because if not, maybe you've got some subtle bug happening.  The lancemates in MW4 aren't superdeadlyassassins or anything, but if you order all of them to kill a target, they do actually do it.  Not as efficiently as you would, but still.  Like I said, my three lancemates in the last mission in assault mechs took out half a dozen adversary heavy and assault mechs on thier own, I never fired a shot, because I was so torn up taking out a dropship and three of my own assault mechs.

They're just not as bad as you're making out, unless something weird is happening in your install.
#40 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 21:37:10
Well maybe it improves in the late game. Cause what I said really happened.

And I also know for certain they deliberatly programmed it like this. Always a near miss, no matter if the target is moving or standing still.

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#41 by Hugin
2002-12-14 21:42:38
lmccain@nber.org
I still suspect you have some problem.  Trying to get them to complete mission assignments can be difficult.  Getting them to kill things isn't.  I'm playing Black Knight at the moment, and they just killed a whole lot of vehicles and stationary storage tanks (actually, destroying the tanks was a mission objective) for me while I ran around killing mechs.  I dunno..like I said, they aren't awesome killing machines, but they don't fail to kill light mechs and stationary targets for minutes at a time either.
#42 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 21:43:45
Well I'm talking about Mercenaries, maybe they changed something.

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#43 by Charles
2002-12-14 22:00:15
www.bluh.org
I never had a problem with mercenaries.  Plus, if the AI was as good as you are, then you'd never actually have to play the game, you could just sit back and order them around.  I think what you are looking for is an RTS.

This topic was a good idea.  8)
#44 by Ashiran
2002-12-14 22:31:34
I'm not expecting them to be as good as a human player. But certainly better as they are now.

The little hand that could! *note: that is not a DVD case*
#45 by jjohnsen
2002-12-14 22:43:41
http://www.johnsenclan.com
When I played through Mercs they never seemed like geniuses, but I don't remember it being that bad.

I am trying to catch up to Ergo's Dvd collection.
#46 by Hugin
2002-12-14 22:45:14
lmccain@nber.org
Ashiran, you might want to check and see if there are any patched you can download.  Maybe the lancemate AI gets tweaked or something.
#47 by Hugin
2002-12-14 22:45:36
lmccain@nber.org
Patches, rather.
#48 by crash
2002-12-14 22:51:44
ok what the hell. it costs TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS to rent a 15' moving truck with a car carrier trailer for a week?!

what. the. fuck.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
#49 by Owen-san
2002-12-14 23:01:32
ojacobson@3sygma.com http://www.lionsanctuary.net
Holy jebus, what are you moving that's that large?
#50 by crash
2002-12-14 23:05:16
uh, everything i own? minus furniture. need a 15' truck, and that's the smallest. sigh.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE
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