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Gamespy, Ubi Soft, and the DMCA
November 18th 2002, 15:22 CET by Rodzilla

Every gamer's favorite company, Gamespy, has just upped the ante.  With the Rainbow Six: Raven Shield Demo released to the public via FilePlanet on Thursday, it was quickly mirrored around the world.  Hours later, many of these mirrors find themselves recieving a cease and desist letter.  The best part?  The DMCA is the basis:

This is an official cease and desist notice. You are in direct violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

The demo file for Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment's Raven Shield is owned exclusively by Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment, and by distributing the demo file to the public you are jeopardizing an exclusive agreement between Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment and GameSpy Industries.

Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment orders you to immediately remove the file from your site, 3dGamers, as you are in violation of statutory digital copyright laws and liable for fines of up to $100,000, in addition to financial ramifications stemming from breach of contract commitments between Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment and GameSpy Industries.

This file will be exclusive to Ubi Soft(r) Entertainment and GameSpy Industries through November 21st, when you may again post the Raven Shield Demo.

[name]
Director of Community Development
www.ubi.com // www.raven-shield.com
xxx.xxx.xxxx


So let's go over this again...they release a file for public download, then tell people they can't distribute it for FREE.  Help prevent crap like this from happening by mailing your congressman yet again about the DMCA, posting your 2 cents in the ShackNews thread, and emailing any/all of the following Ubi Soft Public Relations workers:

Clint Hayashi
Farmoush Deylamian
Sean Kauppinen
Tyrone Miller
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#1 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:24:04
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Thinking...

I believe I can fly......urk.
#2 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:24:15
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Nope, don't care.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#3 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:27:48
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Now, after the melt down over at sharereactor, you should see what they just released in regards to rom sets. Thomspon/RCA. Neo Pocket/Color. Wonderswan. Memotech, which I've never even heard of. Just a huge amount of rom sets for ancient systems I always wanted to play as a lad but never could. I dunno, It made me happy.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#4 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:28:11
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
My whole purpose, of course, is to piss in as many teacups as I can.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#5 by m0nty
2002-11-18 15:28:15
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
If the DMCA upholds the validity of the agreement between Ubi Soft and GSI, that's not evidence of the Great Satan. That's just contract law.
#6 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:28:21
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Unless, you don't drink tea.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#7 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:29:39
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Doesn't much matter anyway, since Ubi allowed it to be downloaded where ever.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#8 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:30:46
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Besides, you know, this is such a small pointless part of the DMCA. So much more of it is evil and blighted, I'm not going to worry about the right of some company to release their software in a way they see fit which seems like it would be their bloody right to begin with.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#9 by LPMiller
2002-11-18 15:31:04
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Wow. Good. Fucking. Coffee.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#10 by mgns
2002-11-18 15:32:45
For the love of God - stop typing!

the planet is fine, the people are fucked.
#11 by Stralutia
2002-11-18 15:39:21
stralutia@hotmail.com None
/me cuts off your fingers

<m0nty> ooh, I'm a rocet scientist!
#12 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 15:39:32
D M C A, it's fun to stay at the D M C Aaaaa.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#13 by Stralutia
2002-11-18 15:41:01
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Since Ubi is allowing this to be hosted by anyone and downloaded by anyone, doesn't that make the point of the topic moot?  

Oh, right blinks PlanetCrap blinks I forgot.  Sorry.

<m0nty> ooh, I'm a rocet scientist!
#14 by m0nty
2002-11-18 15:47:37
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
posting your 2 cents in the ShackNews thread

No. Shacknews is full of idiots whose only creativity comes in finding new variants on spelling the word "gay" and seeing how fast they can invoke Godwin's Law.
#15 by lwf
2002-11-18 15:49:10
I must say I was previously unaware of Godwin's law until just yesterday.

Nothing I do is my fault
#16 by bishop
2002-11-18 15:52:16
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
I too have caught some of the shacknews floovies in action.

Been firing up SOF2 and some of the shacknews servers are full of voting fucktards.

I'll be the first to admit the voting system (in games) is great, but it's only as good as the people using it.
#17 by Your Friend
2002-11-18 15:59:39

I'll be the first to admit the voting system (in games) is great, but it's only as good as the people using it.


There's a lot of really simply things that could be done to make voting less crappy in games that a lot of developers dont bother with.  To start with, if someone casts a vote and it fails, for fuck's sake, revoke their right to call another vote for x number of minutes where x is a server variable that defaults to around 5.  There's not much more annoying in online FPS games than someone who keeps voting to kick everyone who kills them....
#18 by Rodzilla
2002-11-18 16:13:57
http://www.seriouszone.com
Of course, not too long after posting this Ubi Soft realized the immense hatred they brought upon themselves and changed their mind, releasing it to everyone.  The issue still remains, however - Will we continue to see crap like this pulled in the future?  Will companies ever learn that exclusive demos only help the company you're giving the exclusitivity to and hurt themselves and gamers?  And how the hell is this covered in the DMCA anyway?  It was released on the internet for free...

Seriously! Director of Operations
#19 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2002-11-18 16:15:26
#16

I'll let you in on a little secret...

We don't play SOF2 on the official shack/speakeasy servers...your playing against your standard anonymous public idiot players ;-)
#20 by bishop
2002-11-18 16:16:47
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
I like it when they keep calling a map vote. Over. And Over. With the same people in the game.

I also like how when they call a vote and then say 'F1 FOR GOD!!!!' and the 'yes' votes skyrockets into the next level loading screen.
#21 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2002-11-18 16:18:56
#18

Well if you wanna see something even more retarded go check out www.fatwallet.com, they posted deals about Walmart and Target for Black Friday and got DMCA'd....
#22 by bishop
2002-11-18 16:19:20
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
Hey, gee, you know what? That's right!

Of course, it's either that or not play at all, or would you like to suggest some of your top secret precious private servers so the rest of us apes can join you?
#23 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2002-11-18 16:26:34
#22

Stop being an ass :|

but we do play on sof2.eof.net
#24 by bishop
2002-11-18 16:28:18
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
Slightly sorry, although not really.

It's of great annoyance when someone pops up and says, without including direct methods for an alternate way, 'well you're a fool for doing it this way!!!!!' when there's no real alternative.

I'll try that server sometime.
#25 by Leslie Nassar
2002-11-18 16:44:31
http://departmentofinternets.com
Will we continue to see crap like this pulled in the future?

Will we see companies wanting to control the way their products are distributed?  Uh... probably.  I'll consult the Magic 8-ball when I get home to make sure.

How sad.  You get airtime on one of the largest radio stations in one of the largest cities in America and as a minister you use this rare opportunity to belch about automobile abuse?
#26 by Bailey
2002-11-18 16:47:03
Rodzilla

Of course, not too long after posting this Ubi Soft realized the immense hatred they brought upon themselves and changed their mind, releasing it to everyone.

All thanks to you! MY HERO!

No, put the glass pipe down for two seconds and do some research. Actual industry people report Ubi had a free advertising for exclusive DL deal and they held up their part of the bargain (by force, if necessary) for the duration of the contract. If the file-hosting monkeys respected contract law, then this shit wouldn't even be on the radar, but since everyone's so fucking unprofessional and deseperate for the all-precious hits* they blew it up into something it never was.

Put the barrel in your mouth and don't stop pulling the trigger.

* Do any websites besides FuckedCompany even make money anymore?

Dangerman has a posse.
#27 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 16:50:41
*sprinkles freshly ground pepper* BAM!

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#28 by Bailey
2002-11-18 16:56:29
What's a deseperate and what is it doing in my post?

Dangerman has a posse.
#29 by bishop
2002-11-18 16:58:05
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
I don't know, but ten sites off of google seem to think it's important.
#30 by Matt Davis
2002-11-18 16:59:48
http://looroll.com
The GeForce FX has been announced, and for some reason I just can't get excited about it, to be perfectly honest it doesn't sound like anything special, perhaps someone else wants to get excited about it?

"But thanks to Matt's powers of insinuation, I haven't worn said pants (in the British sense) in over a month... and I've never felt more alive!" - Bailey
#31 by m0nty
2002-11-18 17:01:50
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
No.
#32 by Your Friend
2002-11-18 17:10:33
GeForce FX...

It is the first card that will support programming shading as more than just a neat gimmick.  It is actually pretty important for the industry, though its impact won’t be felt for probably a couple of years.

Of course, when it comes out, all the reviewers will benchmark it extensively using Quake 3...Completely missing the point.
#33 by Matt Davis
2002-11-18 17:14:09
http://looroll.com
Aren't programmable shaders already in the Radeon 9700s? I thought it was what made a card DX9 compatible.

"But thanks to Matt's powers of insinuation, I haven't worn said pants (in the British sense) in over a month... and I've never felt more alive!" - Bailey
#34 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 17:14:17
I would get excited, but I can't overlook the stigma of the "MX" line.  The cynic in me would interpret this naming as further attempt to capitalize on the stupidity of the neophyte consumer who will dive for the MX, thinking it was a cheaper version of the same card.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#35 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 17:15:41
The feature that ATI keeps missing is that "Reliable Driver 1.0" that NVidia nailed a few years back.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#36 by Caryn
2002-11-18 17:19:48
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Bailey:

they held up their part of the bargain (by force, if necessary) for the duration of the contract.


I'll be contrary for a second...I saw a quote on the Shack from the Ubi rep that said, "In the best interest of the community, we have broken our exclusive distribution agreement. I'd like to extend my sincere thanks for working through this with us."

So it sounds like they DID break the contract.

"Went to eat my breakfast the next morning, the blues started to walkin' all over my bread..." -- Sonny Boy Williamson, 23 Hours Too Long
#37 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 17:20:26
Or hopped on the grenade for some backend reach-around.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#38 by Bailey
2002-11-18 17:30:28
Caryn

Or the contract ran out and they decided to spin the situation into an "Oh, all right, you kids win" faux surrender? I'd be honestly surprised if they had offered exclusive DL rights for more than two to three days.

Dangerman has a posse.
#39 by TheTrunkDr.
2002-11-18 17:32:12
I give you Farm Sluts!

YF didn't like my old Icon and Deadlock seems to have a problem with Deadpool
#40 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 17:33:34
I give it back.  Keep your quicktime.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#41 by Matt Davis
2002-11-18 17:41:10
http://looroll.com
to quote The InqWell

The FX designation apparently refers to the fact that the guys from the old 3DFX had a hand in its design


Probably why its taken so long...

"But thanks to Matt's powers of insinuation, I haven't worn said pants (in the British sense) in over a month... and I've never felt more alive!" - Bailey
#42 by MCorleone
2002-11-18 17:42:39
Uh oh.  I guess that means it'll have it's own power adapter too.  Ick.

Imagine the world in a bottle.  We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it.  I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
#43 by Caryn
2002-11-18 17:42:44
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Bailey:

Or the contract ran out and they decided to spin the situation into an "Oh, all right, you kids win" faux surrender? I'd be honestly surprised if they had offered exclusive DL rights for more than two to three days.


Could very well be true. Only Ubi Soft holds the answer, I guess. :)

"Went to eat my breakfast the next morning, the blues started to walkin' all over my bread..." -- Sonny Boy Williamson, 23 Hours Too Long
#44 by Your Friend
2002-11-18 17:46:34

Aren't programmable shaders already in the Radeon 9700s? I thought it was what made a card DX9 compatible.


Programmable shaders have been around since the GF3.  They are just now becoming useful for things other than cheap demo effects.  

The Radeon 9700 does have good theoretical shader support, but ATI is dead to me.
#45 by "DarkYouth"
2002-11-18 18:00:14
darkyouth@planetannihilation.com HTTP://www.PlanetTA.com
Whatever they were getting from GSI, it was probably too much. How many more times are we going to see the same wall hugging antics before people wake up and realise that two new scenario types really aren't worth your £30 after all.
#46 by Ashiran
2002-11-18 18:07:38
Offering a demo on a single spot only is defeating the purpose of releasing one in the first place.

Hair...brained...scheme.

"This is planetcrap, where we nuke everything from orbit." - Bailey
#47 by Bailey
2002-11-18 18:08:13
Caryn

Ubi and Fatbabies, yes.

Dangerman has a posse.
#48 by Darkseid-D
2002-11-18 18:20:03
rogerboal@hotmail.com
btw, Nvidias DVD playback software is quite nice.

Might have to break out the CC and buy it, mixes the dolby down properly which Power Dvd 4.0 still manages to mungle.


Ds

Trust me, Im a professional.
#49 by Creole Ned
2002-11-18 18:27:07
The Raven Shield demo was only exclusive to Gamespy the first day. Ubi relented on day 2, so I doubt the contract had expired.

YF:

There's a lot of really simply things that could be done to make voting less crappy in games that a lot of developers dont bother with.  To start with, if someone casts a vote and it fails, for fuck's sake, revoke their right to call another vote for x number of minutes where x is a server variable that defaults to around 5.  There's not much more annoying in online FPS games than someone who keeps voting to kick everyone who kills them....

One of the reasons is probably because developers play their own games on a LAN and never realize the importance of features like voting, kicking, etc. so the features are either not included or poorly implemented. As much as I like UT2003, it has a ton of interface features missing. I'm sure Warren would justify it by saying they aren't important and I suppose they're not -- for the dev team. It's not like anyone at Epic is going to use a "mute player" function in-house, unless CliffyB is having a bad hair day, perhaps. The unfortunate thing is, there's really nothing we can do. There's no way to "protest" a missing or needed feature except perhaps by adding your voice to all the screaming, arrested adolescent idiots inhabiting the various forums of the intarweb. And even then, developers can still just shrug and say, "It's not important, it's not necessary. We gave you the game. What more do you need?"

And the voting system on PC is fucked.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#50 by Bailey
2002-11-18 18:47:33
CliffyB has good hair days?

Dangerman has a posse.
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