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November 10th 2002, 11:24 CET by Lu-Tze

It seems that a lot more games are making that giant leap to the silver screen these days...

What with Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Super Mario, Street Fighter and now even Pacman being made into a movie www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?4284, where is it all going to end?

Are computer games characters being made into movie actors because it's a logical step for a well developed character, or is it merely a money making franchise on the name?

So far frankly all conversions haven't exactly been the best movies out there. Is it a medium that computer games can't translate into properly? Or is it merely that so far attempts have been pitiful at best?

Will this trend continue and will they ever produce decent movies from games? There have been rumours of a Doom movie for years, but now it seems there could be a Duke Nukem movie, and even a Deus Ex movie... (probably all unfounded rumours but anyway...)

Could it ever be possible to create a reasonable movie based on the world, story and characters featured in a game?
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#1 by E-ph0nk
2002-11-10 11:46:57
http://www.electrophonk.be
TOPIC 500 W00T!

*sigh*
#2 by E-ph0nk
2002-11-10 11:49:14
http://www.electrophonk.be
Btw: I'm still waiting for the Tetris movie.

*sigh*
#3 by Dethstryk
2002-11-10 12:16:39
jemartin@tcainternet.com
The problem is two-fold: most games don't have a good enough storyline to warrant being a movie, and most people still don't take turning video games into movies seriously.

I can see why a Doom movie would take a long time. If you've read the series of novels based on Doom, then you'd see why.

Any faith I had in humanity has taken a train to Monte Carlo and spent the last of my savings on roulette.
#4 by E-ph0nk
2002-11-10 12:44:33
http://www.electrophonk.be
If you look at the kind of videogames that got translated into movies so far, you must admit they have made some weird choices.

Mario bros?  
About a plumber jumping on mushrooms to save a princess... It has failure all over it.

Mortal Kombat/street fighter?  
Great games, but the plot is as thin as <insert thin person> - and beat'm up movies are never really good anyway.

Resident Evil?  
Ok, a "decent" attempt to make a zombie flick, but it still wasn't really up to something of a quality level.

Tomb Raider?
Didn't see it, but a girlysuperheroeactiongirlythingy movie never works.  Why?  Because it's even more ridiculous then a boysuperheroeactionsteroideboythingy.

Now Doom, DN & DE have a better chance to become a "good" movie - just because the setting isn't as bizarre, and their characters/story are more related to conventional movies.  Deus Ex could be a very good SF thriller, maybe a bit like blade runner/dark skies.  Doom has the right setting to make it a bit Aliens, and Duke has all the characteristics to become a bruce willis/Arnold kind of witty action hero.

*sigh*
#5 by Stralutia
2002-11-10 13:02:22
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Duke could also star in a movie about a group of friends who go to a forest cabin one night, and open up a book.  This ancient text would create a portal to another world, and a horde of zombies and demons would spew forth, killing each of Duke's friends over the course of the movie, and possessing his girlfriend.  The hero would then chop off his hand, and attach a chainsaw to it while using a shotgun to deploy the rest of the undead fiends.  Hentai-style tentacle rape would occur at some point of the movie as well.  Why?  Well, I don't know.  I guess it might play well with the Japanese.

Geeks world-wide would then cheer, shout and make merry over this character, as As...er....Duke would go on to become one of the greatest cult heroes of the DVD age.  He could even be played by Bruce Campbell!

Just kidding.  No I don't hate 3DRealms; no I don't hate Warren; and no I don't think that Ash = Duke.

<Errol> I like the dickgirls as long as they look like girls.
#6 by Stralutia
2002-11-10 13:04:23
stralutia@hotmail.com None
A good movie based on a game will never be made until a serious gamer has a decent say in the creation.  Not one of those k-rad suparl33t gamers mind you, but an actual person who has a certain degree of respect for the industry and the medium, and as such knows what will and won't suck in such a movie.

<Errol> I like the dickgirls as long as they look like girls.
#7 by deadlock
2002-11-10 15:38:20
http://www.deadlocked.org/
First, the elements that make a good movie aren't necessarily present in a game. Nor are they always required. You know, things like plot, character development, motivation etc. I know that not a lot of movies have these either but those movies are generally pretty shit as well.

Converting a game to a movie isn't the same as converting a book, for several reasons, the most important one in this case being the demographic. Game-to-movie conversions have a fairly limited demographic; teenage boys, really. Cleavage, guns, explosions and cars are really the only requirement for this demographic.

Converting a game to a movie  - and vice versa - is a cynical protest and is never done for any reason other than generating more money.

there's stains on the carpet and crap on the pavement
#8 by deadlock
2002-11-10 15:38:49
http://www.deadlocked.org/
'Cynical process', for fuck's sake!

there's stains on the carpet and crap on the pavement
#9 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 15:51:38
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
Mortal Kombat made money??
I mean, I dig what you're saying, and agree. But there's an amount of inherant stupidity mixed into the deal if one makes a movie on the simple premise of money. If that's a primary motivation (rather than actually aiming to make a good movie) then... ggragasbdajsdnas that's stupid.

Wow, I'm just pissed off with this idea now.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#10 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 15:53:31
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
Holy shit! I just looked at the imdb, and it's like this idea applies to 90% fo films or something. Mother fucker! This is stupid infectious mentality. Holy shit. Cock fucking shit ass licker dickwad cunt scrotum! MAKE IT STOP!

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#11 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 15:58:56
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
OH MY GOD! You remember that movie SpiderMan?? That was like, actually really fucking dubious, and it make so gotverdamnt much money.

And then they're all like "yeah my name is tobey macguire and I was in a couple of good films, and although I won't deny that this film is the worst thing I've ever done while other people call me 'the best actor of my generation' and 'an actor's actor', I'll certainly not admit that it does make me want to puke every time i think i did that 6 months of training for such a piece of crap masturbatory intellectually deviod misrepresentative comicbook adaptation" in the interviews and i'm like WHAT THE COCK EVER?!?

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#12 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 16:03:36
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
MOTHER OF FUCKING PEARL!

Did you know that PEOPLE ALSO MAKE GAMES BASED ON THE IDEA OF MAKING MONEY, AND HAVE NO LOVE FOR THE ARTFORM THEY PILLAGE TO GET THEIR WAREZ?

IT'S TRUE!!!!!!!

This makes me SICK. Sick enough to masturbate. That'll cheer me up, I think.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#13 by Warren Marshall
2002-11-10 16:04:28
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
e-ph0nk
Mortal Kombat/street fighter?  
Great games, but the plot is as thin as <insert thin person> - and beat'm up movies are never really good anyway.

As action movies go, the first Mortal Kombat movie is pretty good popcorn level stuff.  Good action and people get killed, so ...

Resident Evil?  
Ok, a "decent" attempt to make a zombie flick, but it still wasn't really up to something of a quality level.

Actually, I really like Resident Evil.  I have a zombie fetish though, so maybe I'm biased.  It's a big budget zombie flick and that can't really be a bad thing ...  Plus, Milla.

"Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
#14 by Warren Marshall
2002-11-10 16:04:48
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Bezzy is the new drunk.

"Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
#15 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 16:08:58
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
I'm not drunk, I'm high on life.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#16 by E-ph0nk
2002-11-10 16:10:40
http://www.electrophonk.be
Warren: The first MK movie was 'decent', but only to gamers i think.. Most other people didn't understand what it was all about.  Street fighter was a disaster imo (and yuk - double dragon was just terrible).  The sequel of MK (as far as i can remember) was very weak.

We agree about resident evil i think - except that some parts should have been left out (kicking a zombie dog to death with her kung-fu skillz was a bit "over the top")

*sigh*
#17 by Warren Marshall
2002-11-10 16:14:28
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Warren: The first MK movie was 'decent', but only to gamers i think.. Most other people didn't understand what it was all about.  Street fighter was a disaster imo (and yuk - double dragon was just terrible).  The sequel of MK (as far as i can remember) was very weak.

Oh, you'll notice I didn't mention Street Fighter or Double Dragon.  And we shall NEVER mention their names again.

We agree about resident evil i think - except that some parts should have been left out (kicking a zombie dog to death with her kung-fu skillz was a bit "over the top")

Well, honestly, it's a zombie dog.  Zombies die from severe head trauma.  She's a trained secret agent.  Didn't seem that wildly insane to me ...

"Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
#18 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 16:16:50
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
Zombies didn't seem that wildly insane to me, either.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#19 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 16:21:03
www.verbalchilli.com
It depends what kind of game you are converting - most FPS aren't going to be any more than mindless action movies because you can't superimpose a convoluted plot onto the basis for a shoot-em-up without "betraying" the original context - which would defeat the point in making a cross-over flick anyway. Doing it the other way around from film to game is much easier, because you can always remove elements to fit in with the limitations of the technology of the game. I'm excited to think of the opportunities that will present themselves as games become more complex, and the methods of interacting with the environment become much more diverse.

#20 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 16:24:30
www.verbalchilli.com
Mortal Kombat was painful, I thought. Not even on a popcorn level. Just... eugh. Clearly, YMMV.

#21 by LesJarvis
2002-11-10 16:24:41
Mortal Kombat, despite being awful and horrible, was actually a moderate hit in the theatres.  although there's a better than average chance i'm just talking out of my ass.

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#22 by LesJarvis
2002-11-10 16:27:19
after a trip over to the ole' imdb, it turns out that mortal kombat made $70 million domestically.  hardly a success of epic proportions, but considering its (relatively) meager budget of $20 million, i think most (or at least the underwriters) would consider it a "success."

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#23 by ...an ethereal being...
2002-11-10 16:34:17
Mortal Kombat was successful enough to get a sequel.  Has any other game-based movie had one?

Read, Understand, Post: Choose any two.
#24 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 16:36:27
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
More to the point, will PacMan's unboutable sequel be PacMan 2, or Mrs PacMan?

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#25 by Warren Marshall
2002-11-10 16:39:05
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Mortal Kombat was successful enough to get a sequel.  Has any other game-based movie had one?

I think there are 2 more Resident Evils coming.

"Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
#26 by LesJarvis
2002-11-10 16:41:43
tomb raider is getting a sequel, if imdb is to be considered a trustworthy source of information.

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#27 by Greg
2002-11-10 16:43:42
Mortal Kombat was a fun movie, and they got some decent actors to buy into it.  Those decent actors bailed on the second MK film, and it was a complete train wreck.

I believe that there are sequels coming for Tomb Raider, but I'm not totally sure.

#28 by LesJarvis
2002-11-10 16:44:49
and mortal kombat is apparently receiving another sequel as well.

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#29 by ...an ethereal being...
2002-11-10 17:12:25
More to the point, will PacMan's unboutable sequel be PacMan 2, or Mrs PacMan?


I think it should be Ms. PacMan battling zombies in an Egyptian tomb.

Read, Understand, Post: Choose any two.
#30 by lwf
2002-11-10 17:13:18
RE was SO FUCKING GODBAD!

Fucking at home is killing the prostitution industry!
#31 by Hugin
2002-11-10 17:36:53
lmccain@nber.org
The first Mortal Kombat was high art practically, in terms of video game-based movies.  The characters were recognizable, it carried over much of the look and stylistic tone from the game.

Even if you had never played the games they were based on before, you'd recognize Mortal Kombat as being a better....comic book magical gothy kung fu movie dumb thing, than the completely incoherent pieces of crapola that Double Dragon, Super Mario Brothers, and Street Fighter were.

I feel the same about Resident Evil.  Are these two "good" movies?  I mean, are comparing them to Citizen Kane, or are we comparing them to the average schlocky chopsocky flick or zombie flick?  They're fine.  They get their genre job done.

I'd actually rate either one of them higher than Tomb Raider, which was garbage considering the theoretically superior cast, budget, etc behind it. (Terrible pacing, no humor, flat action scenes, actually larger and more glaring plot holes than the previous two movies, for whatever that's worth)
#32 by Eric T. Cheng
2002-11-10 17:56:16
erictcheng@hotmail.com
The problem is two-fold: most games don't have a good enough storyline to warrant being a movie, and most people still don't take turning video games into movies seriously.


Here are some computer/video/arcade games being turned in to movies:

Doom
  Wow, yet another space marine sci-fi movie like Aliens and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (hopefully with out that animalism mumbo jumbo of the latter)

Tomb Raider Lara Croft II
  T&A sells. 'nuff said.

Crazy Taxi
  Um, I presume this will be like The Transporter and BMWfilms.com's The Hire?

Pac-Man
   Ooookay. A yellow eyeless ball eats a bunch of pellets and is being chased by ghosts.

I swear all the Hollywood suits don't have a single collective imaginative brain cell.

Dr.Q in da house
#33 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 18:09:24
www.verbalchilli.com
Doom
  Wow, yet another space marine sci-fi movie


Well, you complain about unoriginality... but how else could it be adapted? Turn it into a heartfelt goofball romantic comedy with Adam Sandler?

#34 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 18:10:00
www.verbalchilli.com
Those wacky mecha-daemons!

#35 by WeeMadArthur
2002-11-10 18:11:01
smarteyman@interia.pl
Crazy Taxi


The French already made Taxi and Taxi 2, and they're pretty crazy, so what's the point?

"Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
#36 by Bezzy
2002-11-10 18:22:43
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
There's a House of the Dead movie that's looking nice and fucking awful.

My only problem with Bezzy is, truly and honestly, about one third of his longer, passionate posts make no sense to me.  I don't necessarily agree or disagree, I just literally can't parse them.  - Hugin
#37 by Charles
2002-11-10 19:12:38
www.bluh.org
I liked Resident Evil as well.  If nothing else, it had good pacing IMO, and a great soundtrack.  I enjoyed it.  But then again, it is possible for me to enjoy movies without totally picking them apart and dissecting them like everyone-else-on-earth likes to do.  *shrug*

I think the last thing these movies needs is a gamer.  What these game-movies need is someone who's actually qualified to write, produce, and direct movies to do it.  I mean, to see what happens when a gamer has control over the creation of a movie... see Wing Commander.  Need I say more?

Would be interesting to see what would happen if you gave any random game to someone who is known for making good movies.

#38 by E-ph0nk
2002-11-10 19:49:48
http://www.electrophonk.be
GTA/Maffia by Tarantino?
Duke By Sam Raimi?
Pacman by Tim Burton (?!)
Doom by Paul verhoeven/James Cameron?
Grim Fandango by Trey Parker & Matt Stone?

*sigh*
#39 by Bailey
2002-11-10 20:12:09
Bezzy

I'm not drunk, I'm high on life.

I think you meant "high on stupid".

And for those of you who blinked and missed it, MK was viable enough not only to spawn a sequel (I'm betting this third one will be direct-to-video though) but also a miniseries that was so mind-rapingly awful, Canada's Space Channel picked up the entire run for something like $4.95 and a handjob. Thankfully, even they stopped airing it, eventually. Regrettably, they're now airing the Beastmaster series instead, which filled the void left my MK to a T.

I'm not required be coherent or logical.
#40 by jafd
2002-11-10 20:31:56
All my personal heroes have already chimed in and said what I was going to say, so I'll just not post what I was going to post, and instead...

post #40, bitches!!111!!!!!

"My fu is my strongest feature."
#41 by Stralutia
2002-11-10 20:40:19
stralutia@hotmail.com None
The first thing I'd like to comment on is that although it has been a while since I've seen it, the first Mortal Kombat seemed a lot from Enter The Dragon.  This in of itself should be regarded as a crime of extreme magnitude.  

Secondly, Charles

When I said a game-based movie needs to be created by a gamer, I had already presumed that said gamer would have experience and past history creating good movies, such that he knew what exists in both genres and as such is able to create a good movie out of it.

Thirdly, I'm not sure if anyone has touched on this or not, but movies have been around in one form or another for the better part of a century.  Video games, only since the seventies.  Each genre has only had so much time to develop, and with movies the focus has always been the better original story and execution (at least in terms of critical acclaim).  Games on the other hand, the focus has been the better original gameplay or eye candy.  Video games as a medium are in adolescence at best.  Only recently has story been of interest in games, partly because it has only been recently (as in the past ten years or so) that games have been able to resemble real life (and as a result, movies).  Since both mediums are moving on different levels, with different goals, no wonder it is going to be hell trying to bring them together in order to create something decent.  

I can just see this degrading into another 'are video games art' thread.

<Errol> I like the dickgirls as long as they look like girls.
#42 by Charles
2002-11-10 21:17:38
www.bluh.org
And you are the one degrading it.

#43 by Stralutia
2002-11-10 21:23:24
stralutia@hotmail.com None
I think the topic requires it to a certain extent.

<Errol> I like the dickgirls as long as they look like girls.
#44 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 21:39:42
www.verbalchilli.com
I just read this about Unreal 2:

there will not be a demo for this game.


Why in all of God's green goodness? WHY?

#45 by Warren Marshall
2002-11-10 21:41:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I've read so many inaccurate previews and interviews regarding Unreal2, I think Baby Jesus' tear ducts have dried up.

"Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
#46 by Charles
2002-11-10 21:42:07
www.bluh.org
Because they know people will buy it anyway.

#47 by Marsh Davies
2002-11-10 21:44:04
www.verbalchilli.com
So there will be a demo?

#48 by Ashiran
2002-11-10 21:45:37
but also a miniseries that was so mind-rapingly awful,

I liked the chick in that series.

Why in all of God's green goodness? WHY?

The green God hates you.

"This is planetcrap, where we nuke everything from orbit." - Bailey
#49 by Bailey
2002-11-10 21:47:18
There was already a unofficial, unauthorized, Xtremely Alpha demo, some time back. Does that count?

I'm not required be coherent or logical.
#50 by Ashiran
2002-11-10 21:47:31
I can just see this degrading into another 'are video games art' thread.

Something is not art until it is percieved as such. Thus calling something art is a completly subjective matter (even more then musical taste) and bitching about it is the pinnacle of timewasting.

"This is planetcrap, where we nuke everything from orbit." - Bailey
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