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Google News: the ultimate in Ctrl-C-Ctrl-V
September 29th 2002, 05:49 CEST by m0nty

Google, which you all know and love for its search engine technology, has launched a beta version of a new service called Google News. By removing all human intervention in the editorial process, it could revolutionise the way Web sites collate news links, and incidentally put Blue, sCary and other Ctrl-C-Ctrl-Vers out of business.

The key passage in the About section of Google News is this:

Google News is highly unusual in that it offers a news service compiled solely by computer algorithms without human intervention. Google employs no editors, managing editors, or executive editors.

The output of this software is a quite readable page full of links stripped out of external Web sites and wire feeds, which provides just as comprehensive a service as Blue's News or Voodoo Extreme does for the gaming community. All that Google would need to do to provide a gaming version of Google News is to get the links to all the news pages, which would be relatively easy. The bots who run Google News never get up late (or even sleep!), never have to take their wife to the dentist, never blather on about their housepets and, most important of all, they don't talk smack. The could even be taught to strip the pimpspeak out of VE's content, of course, a la OMM's Marvin Sedate.

One wonders if this software became readily available to Web site operators - by being rewritten in open source for PHP users for instance - what would happen to the independent operators of news sites whose sole purpose is to peddle links to external content. Of course, this would not necessarily be a bad thing: the independent operators could leave the Ctrl-C-Ctrl-Ving to the bots and start concentrating on providing worthwhile original content of their own.   <insert incredulous, sarcastic comment here>

If Google, or someone else who took the idea and ran with it, started up a gaming news site with this automated link collation technology, would Blue, Apache et al have to get real jobs? What will Gestalt do now? Do you think the speed and fullness of the coverage provided by this technology does not compensate for the news sense of living, breathing editors, as well as the human interest they can provide? Is the real strength of these cut-and-pasting sites in their forums? What would Baileytron do?
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#1 by Squeaky
2002-09-29 05:59:40
any one else notice the hidden link at the top of PC?

#2 by Squeaky
2002-09-29 06:02:37
On Topic:
Google news seems to be a pretty nifty thingy.

I'd love to see a gaming version.

#3 by Foodbunny
2002-09-29 06:04:42
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Noticed it yesterday, I was wondering what that was about.

It won't have any impact on DNF.  Nothing really does.
#4 by Warren Marshall
2002-09-29 06:05:24
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I want to post a comment, but I'm not really sure what to say.

Neat?

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#5 by Creole Ned
2002-09-29 06:06:13
I concur. It is neat.

Um.

That is all.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#6 by Squeaky
2002-09-29 06:11:12
It'd be even neater to see localized versions of Google news.

#7 by Charles
2002-09-29 06:16:01
www.bluh.org
Supposedly the director of technology at google has written some of the most widely read books on AI.

"There is a huge difference between disliking somebody - maybe even disliking them a lot - and actually shooting them, strangling them, dragging them through the fields and setting their house on fire. It was a difference which kept the vast majority of the population alive from day to day."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
#8 by Sgt Hulka
2002-09-29 06:45:25
Sgt Hulka says UT2003 Rocks. - I added the UT2K3 cheat codes as well.

#9 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 07:03:19
stralutia@hotmail.com None
The Google news-gathering method is a nifty little concept as I'm sure all can agree, however to say that no human intervention was involved in getting the articles posted is a little bit misleading.  Somebody had to write the article in the first place of course.  

The 'human touch' that some sites lend is not necessarily a bad thing, and Google's algorithms in the past have been far from perfect.  People have learnt to manipulate the Google 'indexing' system in order to have their name or a certain phrase as the number one listing under that term on Google.  I have read about weblogs forming rallies or drives with other blogs in order to achieve these goals.  As I understand it, the Google search ranks sites based on how many other places link to a site (among other things).  Using this knowledge, webmasters have been able to manipulate the stats quite severely in some cases.  

To have all of our main 'news' sites work in this fashion would be a terribly short-sighted option, seeing as how I'm sure the sourcing and stories that are deemed to be newsworthy could be manipulated by certain parties interested in doing so.  Not that this isn't the case now with television news and the like, however I would wonder if internet news would end up as watered-down as CNN seems at times if this "no-person" news angle was adopted and became commonplace.  It seems almost ironic that at times the Google news view can be more well rounded than the human one presented by CNN or Fox News.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#10 by Dethstryk
2002-09-29 07:07:46
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Google knows how to get me excited. Their search engine is top-notch, the huge newsgroup archive is amazing, and so is searching for images. Now I can search a news database from home? I'm Google's bitch, baby.

I have access to databases like this at school, but Google really has told the expensive licensing fucks what is up.

If you beat a dead horse long enough with a hose, it will rise up and kill you.
#11 by Charles
2002-09-29 07:14:20
www.bluh.org
Stralutia, search for "girls kissing".

"There is a huge difference between disliking somebody - maybe even disliking them a lot - and actually shooting them, strangling them, dragging them through the fields and setting their house on fire. It was a difference which kept the vast majority of the population alive from day to day."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
#12 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 07:27:31
stralutia@hotmail.com None
I take it back.  Google is without flaw in every conceivable way.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#13 by Charles
2002-09-29 07:29:56
www.bluh.org
Yes.  Erm.  Well.  My post would have been much better if google hadn't updated.  Before, "Girls kissing" would bring up PC.

"There is a huge difference between disliking somebody - maybe even disliking them a lot - and actually shooting them, strangling them, dragging them through the fields and setting their house on fire. It was a difference which kept the vast majority of the population alive from day to day."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
#14 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 07:35:06
stralutia@hotmail.com None
How unfortunate.  But your misfortune has turned into a boon for me.  Come, friends!  Bask in the glory that is Google:

http://www.girlskissing.co.uk/media/girls-kissing-in-pjs.mpg

Huzzah! Praise be!

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#15 by m0nty
2002-09-29 07:42:04
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Stralutia (#9):
The Google news-gathering method is a nifty little concept as I'm sure all can agree, however to say that no human intervention was involved in getting the articles posted is a little bit misleading.  Somebody had to write the article in the first place of course.

That wasn't the point of the topic however: Google News does not emulate Gamespy or CGO in producing poimary content, it is the bot equivalent of Blue's News or the Shack. It is the Ctrl-C-Ctrl-Vers who are in danger of being superseded by this technology, not the journalists.
#16 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 07:44:32
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Sorry m0nty, but I feel it is good practice to state the obvious here prior to somebody coming along to argue about it.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#17 by Matthew Gallant
2002-09-29 08:01:39
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Without a centralized news service for games, the only things Google will grab are press releases. Not useful.

"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#18 by Squeaky
2002-09-29 08:02:52
#14:
Brings back memories of PC4. Although that wasn't nearly as graphic.

#19 by m0nty
2002-09-29 08:15:19
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
If Google did set up a gaming channel for Google News, they would use their technique of promoting stories which are linked to the most... and probably use the existing Ctrl-C-Ctrl-V sites in their link database. Thus, without having to visit VE or UnknownPlayer or GameSpyDaily or RPGDot or Blue's, you would get a distillation of the most-linked stories on their pages. I can see a lot of gamers liking that service.
#20 by Matthew Gallant
2002-09-29 08:37:25
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
So, it might put Ctrl-C Ctrl-V sites out of business by using them as its main sources?

"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#21 by None-1a
2002-09-29 08:41:33
What I really want to know is how well this is really going to work out. Most news if very slight rewrites of what every AP/Reuters turn out (and on occasion picking from the three or four different version they sent out over the course of the day), how many people are going to want to wade through 30-50 headlines trying to pick out the 3 or 4 sources they think give the best news (especially considering they could have just went to those sources directly or used to normal portal and set it to show only those sources).
#22 by m0nty
2002-09-29 08:42:51
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I'm hoping it won't put them out of business. As I said in #0, I hope that they can actually use the same technology in an open sores form to make their own working day easier. So, in effect, they would all have their own bots, and then the Google bot would take a reading of all the other bots' work and distill it into an industry-wide picture. In other words, the Google bot would be the Voltron of the gaming world.
#23 by Matthew Gallant
2002-09-29 08:45:41
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
As long as they make Apache change his name to Pidge, that's cool.

"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#24 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 08:49:15
stralutia@hotmail.com None
From the topic:

What will Gestalt do now?


Continuing the line of thought of my above post (no, not the kissing girls), if people are able to manipulate their websites to conform to Google's algorithms in order to become prominantly listed, what is stopping webmasters from learning to "dodge" Google so to speak, in order to avoid the 'cut and paste' news copying technique that is employed there in order to maintain control over the content that they have written?

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#25 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 08:50:45
stralutia@hotmail.com None
If Morn can make Planetcrap turn up as the number one result for "Kissing Girls" what's stopping Blue's from becoming the most widely referenced pet food store online, therefore avoiding the conflict altogether.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#26 by m0nty
2002-09-29 09:24:25
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Why would they want to avoid being indexed and/or linked by Google? Wouldn't that increase their page counts, making them more popular, wealthy and attractive to the opposite sex?
#27 by Your Friend
2002-09-29 09:31:33
All of the gaming sites pretty much link exactly all of the same stories anyway.

So I think people will still end up going to whichever one they like the design, color commentary or forums of the best.  The google service will gain some users, but overall I doubt this spells the end for the other link-sites.
#28 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 09:32:17
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Perhaps because although they enjoy all of the things you listed above m0nty, they are sick and tired of being cockblocked out of the direct hit; thus being forced to settle for sloppy referral seconds.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#29 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 09:37:29
stralutia@hotmail.com None
All of the gaming sites pretty much link exactly all of the same stories anyway.


And all gaming sites are pong.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#30 by m0nty
2002-09-29 09:57:13
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Stralutia, I'd be interested to see the attitude of the primary news sites to Google News. CmdrTaco of Slashdoot seemed positive, and Slashdot is a Ctrl-C-Ctrl-V site for the most part (BTW, it's interesting that Google links to NYTimes stories require no registration). Many comments from users in the followup /. thread were negative, however. It is pointed out in the first thread that Google doesn't steal ad banner impressions... in fact, it would add to the amount of impressions the primary content producer would get, assuing it's one of the top-mentioned stories. Oh, and this link suggested by a Slashdotter is amusing.
#31 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 10:28:57
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Very interesting links m0nty.  I did a quick search (on Google, of all places) and discovered that earlier this year, a Danish judge prohibited Newsbooster.com, a search engine, from offering links to headline stories that went directly to Danish newspaper web sites' stories.  Here is an article explaining the case:

http://www.clickz.com/design/freefee/article.php/1404841

I am unsure as to the current status of the ruling.  I will be sleeping soon, so which means that some other kind soul can search it out for me and post it so when I wake up all of my questions are answered.  

The article itself seems to be a decent read, and discusses many things that would be of interest if you are curious to see how various media outlets are responding to the act of linking their stories and pages.   I skimmed it, and it discusses also how some American newspapers are prohibiting deep linking to their stories.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#32 by lwf
2002-09-29 10:46:12
#22

I hope that they can actually use the same technology in an open sore


You're not alone.

I'd like to debate whether cannibalism ought to be grounds for leniency in murders since it is less wasteful
#33 by m0nty
2002-09-29 17:11:25
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Just to expand on MattG's point in #20, there is an interesting issue to do with how far up the food chain Google News should be placed, or wants to be placed. It is not a primary news producer, being secondary at best. If, as mentioned above, it started indexing Blue's and VE which are themselves secondary news sites, it would become a tertiary site. It is doing this already with Slashdot, whereby it links to Slashdot, which links to the real source of the story.

I guess it gets easier to do as you move up the food chain, because you have all your work done for you by those lower down in the chain. The primary site actually produces the content, then the secondary site finds the link, and all the tertiary site has to do is link the linkers - or bypass the linkers by linking the link that the linker linked.

I have to go sit down now.
#34 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 17:26:27
stralutia@hotmail.com None
Who stands while typing?

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#35 by Matthew Gallant
2002-09-29 17:28:31
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
When linking linkers link,
and linking links on wings of golden linking links we fly above
their link is such a soft and precious link, it's link
a linking link is all we seem to need when we're in linking links,
but then, it's gone, it is nothing but a memory


"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#36 by Charles
2002-09-29 17:36:42
www.bluh.org
Who says girls don't play games?

"There is a huge difference between disliking somebody - maybe even disliking them a lot - and actually shooting them, strangling them, dragging them through the fields and setting their house on fire. It was a difference which kept the vast majority of the population alive from day to day."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
#37 by Stralutia
2002-09-29 17:57:00
stralutia@hotmail.com None

Phineas: Quick question, who's the bigger pimp, me of CliffyB? :)

Asia: LOL - sorry dude, but cliffy B is the MAN


Speechless.

The Golden Rule of Flaming:
May your flames be witty, insulting, interesting, paradoxical, funny, illogical, caustic, sarcastic, even inconsistent -  but never, ever, let them be boring.
#38 by Charles
2002-09-29 18:55:43
www.bluh.org
CliffyB is leaving thousands of messages on her answering machine as we speak.

"There is a huge difference between disliking somebody - maybe even disliking them a lot - and actually shooting them, strangling them, dragging them through the fields and setting their house on fire. It was a difference which kept the vast majority of the population alive from day to day."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
#39 by Ashiran
2002-09-29 18:57:49
Did you guys ever saw Asia Carrera without makeup?

Brrrrrr!

Also, you fight like a girl.
#40 by Squeaky
2002-09-29 18:59:41
Asia Carrera with makeup is just as bad.

#41 by Xero
2002-09-29 19:23:35
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
The Amrak Pass vehicle demo map could easily be turned into an extra Bombing Run map.

The gun in the establishment's hand makes the establishment secure in its exploitation. "
Huey P. Newton
#42 by Ashiran
2002-09-29 19:27:03
Asia Carrera with makeup is just as bad.

It's worse. Much much worse.

Also, you fight like a girl.
#43 by Bailey
2002-09-29 21:04:57
Let's just say there's a notable difference between Asia made up and otherwise.

Considering she's a porn star, I feel it's safe to assume those links may not be entirely work-safe.

Ossified for your pleasure.
#44 by Warren Marshall
2002-09-29 21:18:49
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Maybe I haven't seen enough of them, but doesn't this apply to just about every woman on the planet?  Nothing against regular women of course, I'm just saying.  You people are putting it forward like there's something wrong with her that she doesn't look as good lounging around the house as she does when she does a photo shoot.  What?

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#45 by ProStyle
2002-09-29 21:20:31
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
What?
#46 by ProStyle
2002-09-29 21:20:55
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
Haha, jinks warren :\
#47 by ProStyle
2002-09-29 21:41:25
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
So, basically this topic went to hell before 50 posts because as usual it was a semi-interesting development made far less interesting by m0ntys rantings and ravings and paranoid delusions of games actually relating to it at all. Someone want to correct me here, or?
#48 by Warren Marshall
2002-09-29 21:47:05
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
ProStyle

If you can find the interesting portion of this topic, I'll give you a cookie. I looked, but I couldn't figure out what it was we were supposed to be discussing.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#49 by Neo-Reaper
2002-09-29 21:55:21
neoreaper@excite.com http://octobermoon.homeip.net
I'm astonished by the fact people think women (including Asia) are better looking with the make-up...

"Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
#50 by Marsh Davies
2002-09-29 22:04:34
www.verbalchilli.com
If people are getting bored of UT2k3 (hah!) I can suggest you check out the Hitman 2 demo. I never played the original; couldn't get it to work on my computer... but this a blast, sneaking about, garrotting people and dragging their bodies away. The whole undressing corpses thing is a bit freaky, mind.

Project: Nomads seems quite an innovative game, too. But the voice acting is easily the worst I've ever come across. Bad enough for me to actually uninstall it.


Does anybody else have recommendations of what to download?

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