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It's That Time of Year Again...
June 17th 2000, 19:36 CEST by TomC

Well, the newspapers all do it about this time... why shouldn't we? So it's time for the Planetcrap Silly Season :)



Before you read this, I would like to warn you all that this is an entirely frivolous, pointless and cretinous topic. Hope you enjoy it.

Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm a huge fan of plotless wonders - films with the bare minimum of storyline, no character depth, but lots of enormous explosions, shiny special effects, preferably lots of cheesy one-liners, and a modicum of kung-fu thrown in for good measure. I'd suspect that most of you probably agree with me, even if some of you won't admit it. Just to be clear, I'm thinking of films like Predator, The Matrix (let's not start a discussion on that one), most of Jackie Chan's back-catalogue and so forth.

Now that we're clear on what it is we're talking about - has anyone ever thought of what a supreme example of this sort of film could be made out of Quake 3? Think about it - if our hypothetical studio was to set out from the beginning with no pretence of credibility, it could be wonderful. A group of random soldiers, supernatural beings and aliens, pitted against each other in a fight for their lives - with guns. Can you imagine how great it would be to see a Hollywood version of the plasma gun in full flow?

If you still don't think it would be fun, do yourself a favour - invite some friends around, get the beers and pizza in, and rent the two Mortal Kombat films, and you'll soon see the appeal of this kind of film :)

So now: Tom has lost his mind entirely. Discuss, with reference to Ovid's Metamorphoses, Book VII, in not less than seventeen words ;)

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#1 by "Geoffrois"
2000-06-17 19:39:24
First?
#2 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-06-17 19:41:23
tc10@spammeandfeelpainlikenootherpain.st-andrews.a http://www.fisty.com/~tom
That was less than seventeen words. You've just passed up on a chance at a genuine 'Crap Qualification :)
#3 by "Geoffrois"
2000-06-17 19:43:49
God, I'm glad that this topis is entirely frivolous, pointless and cretinous. I feel bad now.
#4 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-17 19:46:01
rhiggi@home.com
<QUOTE>
If you still don't think it would be fun, do yourself a favour - invite some friends around, get the beers and pizza in, and rent the two Mortal Kombat films, and you'll soon see the appeal of this kind of film :)
</quote>

Ohh man, the second one sucks.  The first one is cool though.  Its too bad the fight seens aren't a little better.  Americans just don't do Kung Fu very well (except for some/few obvious exceptions).

V

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#5 by "Diseased"
2000-06-17 19:46:14
diseasedanimal@yahoo.com
I've always thought that the Command & Conquer Backstory could make for a decent movie.  Or Final Fantasy, but it looks like that's already being done.  Can't wait for that one.  

Quake 3?  I dunno, something THAT devoid of plot would make a pretty poor movie.  At least Predator had an Alien menace, Matrix had the human race enslaved, etc.  Quake 3 woudl just be a huge killfest.  And while many Hollywood movies have come dangerously close to becoming that, it hasn't yet happened.  I dunno, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.  To overcome such a complete lack of plot would take insane special effects and action.
#6 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-17 19:52:36
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#5</b> "Diseased" wrote...
<QUOTE>I've always thought that the Command & Conquer Backstory could make for a decent movie. Or Final Fantasy, but it looks like that's already being done. Can't wait for that one.

Quake 3? I dunno, something THAT devoid of plot would make a pretty poor movie. At least Predator had an Alien menace, Matrix had the human race enslaved, etc. Quake 3 woudl just be a huge killfest. And while many Hollywood movies have come dangerously close to becoming that, it hasn't yet happened. I dunno, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. To overcome such a complete lack of plot would take insane special effects and action. </QUOTE>

Actually, now that i think about it Quake 3 would be exactly like MK.  You fight on a tier system with a limited number of enemies.  Only the weapons would be different.  Shoddy hand to hand fights would be less likely to ruin it so it might even be better.

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#7 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-06-17 19:54:39
tc10@spammeandfeelpainlikenootherpain.st-andrews.a http://www.fisty.com/~tom
<quote>
Quake 3 would just be a huge killfest.
To overcome such a complete lack of plot would take insane special effects and action.</quote>
Well, y'know what? That's kinda my point :) Forget paying through the nose for famous-name, or even talented, actors, forget paying a writer to churn out pages of intense dialogue - just cream a $10m budget on effects and kung-fu... and I reckon you've got yourself a good film :)
#8 by "None-1a"
2000-06-17 20:54:38
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<QUOTE>I've always thought that the Command & Conquer Backstory could make for a decent movie. Or Final Fantasy, but it looks like that's already being done. Can't wait for that one.

Quake 3? I dunno, something THAT devoid of plot would make a pretty poor movie. At least Predator had an Alien menace, Matrix had the human race enslaved, etc. Quake 3 woudl just be a huge killfest. And while many Hollywood movies have come dangerously close to becoming that, it hasn't yet happened. I dunno, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. To overcome such a complete lack of plot would take insane special effects and action.</QUOTE>

That's kind of the point, I'd love to see a C&C war movie/back story movie, or a final fantasy movie. But there are times when sitting down to a nice mindless action flick fit the bill nicely (that or a good car chase flick).


<QUOTE>First?</QUOTE>

You know I'm really considering going into dead topics and posting last just to round things out.
#9 by "Darkseid-[D!]"
2000-06-17 21:41:12
Darkseid-d@planetcrap.com http://www.captured.com/boomstick
Actually


I rather think a Duke Nukem movie could be fun.

A Monkey Island movie .....

Day of the Tentacle

StarCraft....



Ds
#10 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-06-17 21:49:00
piramida@usa.net http://www.agsm.net
<b>#9</b> "Darkseid-[D!]" wrote...
<QUOTE>
I rather think a Duke Nukem movie could be fun.

A Monkey Island movie .....

Day of the Tentacle

StarCraft....
</QUOTE>

I'd love to see a Minesweeper-based movie... Would keep you expecting everything to blow to bits untill the very last second... Intense.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#11 by "Podfish"
2000-06-17 21:49:55
llama@verbalchilli.com http://www.verbalchilli.com
Quake 3 the movie? You've got to be joking. And if you're not, seriously consider removing your frontal lobes with a spoon.

Besides being a rather overly simplistic idea (people : fight) its been done a number of times before, the pitiful MK movies being an excellent example. Besides, I can't think of one computer game that's gone on to become a successful and interesting movie. Even from the action perspective. Take Street Fighter for example. That oozed putrescent crap from nearly every pore.

Predator, and The Matrix have absolutely NO comparisons, because they managed to evoke a sense of atmosphere and engage the interest of the audience. The first, I would say veers more towards the horror category anyway.

As for Ovid, I'm sure he'd approve hugely, given the Roman lust for gladiatorial combat. Though I'm not sure what the story of Jason and Medea in bk 7 has to do with anything... (I'm a classics student .... )
#12 by "Ubik"
2000-06-17 22:09:26
ubik@unscripted.com http://www.unscripted.com
Make a Half-Life movie - let's see just how well its 'plot' really stands up. :P

Now System Shock..
#13 by "Andy"
2000-06-17 22:13:24
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#9</b>, Darkseid-[D!]:
<QUOTE>
I rather think a Duke Nukem movie could be fun.
</QUOTE>
Well it wouldn't get any bad reviews... ;-)

--

I've mentioned this before, I think, but when the Doom movie fell through I considered buying the rights because they would have been fairly cheap, and I thought (and still think) a good film could be made in the Doom world.

Apparently I'm alone in this view! Although I'm sure some greedy people will change their minds now that the next Doom game has been announced.

Anyway, I never did anything about it because I'm a lazy git, and there was no point going to investors with a project I wasn't passionate about, but I hope someone will one day. If they do it right, it'll be a winner.

But what are the odds they'll do it wrong? Pretty high, I imagine.
#14 by "None-1a"
2000-06-17 22:40:18
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
Podfish wrote
<QUOTE>Besides being a rather overly simplistic idea (people : fight) its been done a number of times before, the pitiful MK movies being an excellent example. Besides, I can't think of one computer game that's gone on to become a successful and interesting movie. Even from the action perspective. Take Street Fighter for example. That oozed putrescent crap from nearly every pore. </QUOTE>

Well wing Comander wasn't as bad as every one said it was, you just have to look past the extremly bad casting, and rather cheasy fighter designs. Also the people:fight idea went over well with Galdiator (I know there was more to it then that but the fights are what got most people in the door). You want to talk about a bad movie idea try to remember the guys at Cyan talking about a Myst movie.

On game I would ahve liked to see as moview the resident evil movie idea would have been cool.
#15 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-06-17 22:48:51
tc10@spammeandfeelpainlikenootherpain.st-andrews.a http://www.fisty.com/~tom
<B>Podfish:</B>
<quote>As for Ovid, I'm sure he'd approve hugely, given the Roman lust for gladiatorial combat...</quote>
Well done ;)

<quote>Though I'm not sure what the story of Jason and Medea in bk 7 has to do with anything... (I'm a classics student .... )</quote>
Don't worry, I just picked a book at random. Didn't even refer to it to see which one I picked :)
#16 by "Darkseid-[D!]"
2000-06-17 23:14:14
Darkseid-d@planetcrap.com http://www.captured.com/boomstick
/me snorks a mouthful of diet coke over his monitor

/me summons An imp of Lesser Bob Monkhouse to deal with Andy



Ds
#17 by "Paul"
2000-06-17 23:14:49
pab05f@mizzou.edu http://www.planethalflife.com/aerotic
wasn't there going to be a duke nukem movie a few years back?
#18 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-17 23:39:09
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
It was a bad idea to put The Matrix in with cheezy, viceral flicks like Predator & Chan. =)

Half Life has potential to make a very good movie, but it would be ruined by Hollywood as they'd insist on giving Dr Grim Survival Horror Gordon Freeman a comedy side-kick a-la Judge Dredd.


I always wanted to see DOOM done like Aliens. Throw in a dozen hard squads (soldiers) onto Phobos and butcher the fuck out of them. This could be the movie where Arnie, Stalone, Willis, and a few more could get together, you know, like those all-star war epics of yesteryear. Of course, when I say "GOOD movie" I therefore meant "thrillingly entertaining".

Without a doubt, the best game to go to the screen, via Burtonesque-meets-Pixlar animation, would be <b>Grim Fandango</b>.
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#19 by "Charlie Wiederhold"
2000-06-18 01:01:18
charliew@3drealms.com
<quote>Well it wouldn't get any bad reviews... ;-)</quote>

Har! :P

<quote>wasn't there going to be a duke nukem movie a few years back?</quote>

It's still in the works. However if you pay attention to how movies work, they go *extremely* slowly until there is a script, director, and all the actors in place. Until then they lurch along slower than Daikatana or DNF.

When we went to E3 we visited Threshold (the guys working on it) and saw various things related and not so related to the movie. It's still in the works, but getting to the point where you can start production is like pulling teeth. Especially when they have to deal with people as picky as 3D Realms. :)

Charlie Wiederhold
#20 by "Serpwidgets"
2000-06-18 01:15:10
serpwidgets@hotmail.com http://people.ce.mediaone.net/serpwidgets/index.ht
<b>#14</b> "None-1a" wrote...
<QUOTE>Well wing Comander wasn't as bad as every one said it was, you just have to look past the extremly bad casting, and rather cheasy fighter designs. </QUOTE>
...and the lack of action, and the lack of interesting stuff going on, and the lack of characters that I would take enough interest in to actually care whether they lived or died...

Maybe it's because I didn't play the games, but I thought the movie was just plain generic. I'd probably enjoy an MST3K version of it more. :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#21 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-06-18 01:37:26
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<quote>Make a Half-Life movie - let's see just how well its 'plot' really stands up. :P

Now System Shock.. </quote>

Right OK, let's see ...

HL : A scientific complex is conducting experiments of a dubious nature.  One of these experiments fails, badly, and a portal opens up which allows hordes of aliens from the dimension Xen, into the complex.  The military is sent in to cover up the mess, killing aliens and scientists alike.  A lone man has to work his way out of this mess by killing everything and everyone.

SS2 (I never played the first one, so I have to use the sequel for this) : A powerful artificial intelligence has taken over a spaceship which was primarily used for science and the study of the universe.  People all over the ship have been turned into muties and are serving something they call, "The Many".  Using cybernetic augmentations and whatever firepower he can find, a lone soldier must find the source of this army, and destroy it.

Is it just me, or do neither of these stories sound particularly original or engaging?

As MOVIES, they might be OK if done right ... as GAMES, they rock!  And that's what they were created for, games.

Games are not movies, deal with it.

:)
#22 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 02:23:00
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#21</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>
As MOVIES, they might be OK if done right ... as GAMES, they rock! And that's what they were created for, games.

Games are not movies, deal with it.

:) </QUOTE>

Please, like plot really matters.  Do you know what a money making scheme wrestling is?  I was getting my hair cut the other day and one of the ladies there (wish I could find a "barber" close by :( )was buying tickets for a WWF match here in Dallas.  Front row seats $500 US.  Yes, thats right, I didn't stutter when I typed.  People pay $50 US a pop to watch the damn matches on pay per view.  Stupid people maybe, but theres a hell of a lot of them :-).

V <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#23 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-18 02:34:23
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>You want to talk about a bad movie idea try to remember the guys at Cyan talking about a Myst movie. </quote>
Well, this is typical Myst-bashing. It has more backstory and depth underneath the pretty pictures than just about any game in existence.

It would definitely make a better movie than Duke Nukem.

Sheesh, people bitch about bad, derivative games and here we are asking for bad, derivative movies based on games. Doesn't anyone like GOOD movies? Would you rather have dreck like "Gone in 60 Seconds" be "Driver" instead? Or "Battlefield Earth" could have been "Freespace: The Movie"... or would you rather have something willdy original like Being John Malkovich or better yet, movies with action that don't suck, like Three Kings?

Movies like any Jerry Bruckenheimer film are the movie equivalent of Deer Hunter, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
#24 by "MrBoots"
2000-06-18 02:35:29
mrboots@mrboots.org http://www.mrboots.org
Pong: The Movie. Two hours of non-stop paddlin' action.
#25 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 02:48:53
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#23</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Sheesh, people bitch about bad, derivative games and here we are asking for bad, derivative movies based on games. Doesn't anyone like GOOD movies? Would you rather have dreck like "Gone in 60 Seconds" be "Driver" instead? Or "Battlefield Earth" could have been "Freespace: The Movie"... or would you rather have something willdy original like Being John Malkovich or better yet, movies with action that don't suck, like Three Kings?

Movies like any Jerry Bruckenheimer film are the movie equivalent of Deer Hunter, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. </QUOTE>

What an elitist attitude.  Will you be humbly deciding what all the "good" movies are?  

How about having both?  I like steak, but if I ate it all the time I'd come to despise it.  Sometimes I like a nice sci-fi flick with no plot, sometimes something with a little more depth.  No one said this would be the only movie type in existance.  Just another flavor added to whats already out there.

Would you have us just play one type of GOOD game?

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#26 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-18 03:55:17
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#25</b> "Vengeance[CoD]" wrote...
<QUOTE>Movies like any Jerry Bruckenheimer film are the movie equivalent of Deer Hunter, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. </QUOTE>

As opposed to The Deer Hunter (I heard the VC rarely-if-ever did the roulette thing, is that true).

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#27 by "Andy"
2000-06-18 04:04:41
andy@planetcrap.com
... and in the quote of the nenosecond, the sarge offers some good advice for would-be purchasers of the next Monolith game:
<quote>
"WAIT!"
  -- by: Sgt Hulka
</quote>
#28 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 04:17:41
Tikgod@hotmail.com
Quake 3 would be a great movie, it would be Gladiator all over again, except with guns and rocket launchers.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-18 04:19:45
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>What an elitist attitude. Will you be humbly deciding what all the "good" movies are? </quote>
Well, it was sort of a joke, espousing the same sort of "elitist" attitude gamers tend to throw around here.

I actually prefer "good" movies, those with plots and characters, but as with everyone else my definition of good is very personal. I can like Being John Malcovich, The Matrix, Rushmore, Three Kings, Galaxy Quest or Fight Club (looked over at the DVD collection) for entirely different reasons... or are they really different?

Anyhoo, good films usually mix plot and multi-dimensional characters, even in dumb action films. Die Hard was better than, say, Gone in 60 Seconds for that very reason.

And guess what? I think games could do the same thing, give some depth just by delivering some interesting setting or backstories within the game, but most don't. And most people don't care, which is fine, I suppose.
#30 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-18 04:22:44
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>As opposed to The Deer Hunter (I heard the VC rarely-if-ever did the roulette thing, is that true). </quote>
Heh heh, yeah. And I've heard the whole Russian roulette thing is either a myth or just a fictional contrivance for the story.
#31 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 04:26:08
Tikgod@hotmail.com
<b>#29</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote...
<QUOTE>And guess what? I think games could do the same thing, give some depth just by delivering some interesting setting or backstories within the game, but most don't. And most people don't care, which is fine, I suppose. </QUOTE>

There are games that do this, an entire genre,actually: RPG/Adventure games.  Meanwhile the Holy Grail of action games is to create a game with not just great gameplay but good characters and plot development that isn't completly predictable.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#32 by "L0cksm1th"
2000-06-18 04:42:27
l0cksm1th@rocketjump.co.uk http://www.rocketjump.co.uk
The Matrix is an excellent film with a genious plot :)

Sorry Andy, had to say it.

Anyways, there has been an excellent movie based on a computer game: Tron.

The game's plot didn't ruin the film at all :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#33 by "Andy"
2000-06-18 04:48:36
andy@planetcrap.com
#32 - Huh? I *liked* The Matrix...
#34 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-18 04:50:46
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>There are games that do this, an entire genre,actually: RPG/Adventure games. </quote>
Well, I'd think RPGs, like most genres, just recycle the same plots. Some UPE (ultimate personification of evil) is bent on world domination and it's up to you to stop it. I'd like to see more moral ambiguity (I hear Planescape and Fallout has this, but I've not played those games for some completely unknown reason), and more of having the gameworld reflect HOW you play (action games would be cool if they could pull this off).

Black & White is, in theory, doing this, and it's a great idea, but I'd like to see it brought down the reality a bit. If you run around killing everything, have everyone treat you as the psychotic person you would be... but if you figure out alternative approaches, have the game react accordingingly.
#35 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 05:03:40
Tikgod@hotmail.com
<b>#34</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote...
<QUOTE>Well, I'd think RPGs, like most genres, just recycle the same plots. Some UPE (ultimate personification of evil) is bent on world domination and it's up to you to stop it. I'd like to see more moral ambiguity (I hear Planescape and Fallout has this, but I've not played those games for some completely unknown reason), and more of having the gameworld reflect HOW you play (action games would be cool if they could pull this off).</QUOTE>

As for recycling of plots, most RPG plots are most interesting in the beginning, before the UPE comes into play, when the character is fighting for his/her own reasons, not out of a moral obligation to "save the world".  If you want a great RPG plot, try Xenogears for the PSX, cause the whole UPE thing doesn't come into till the very end and the plot is one of the most interesting and complex I've seen in a while.


<QUOTE>Black & White is, in theory, doing this, and it's a great idea, but I'd like to see it brought down the reality a bit. If you run around killing everything, have everyone treat you as the psychotic person you would be... but if you figure out alternative approaches, have the game react accordingingly. </QUOTE>

Personally I absolutly can't wait to play Black&White, I'm just hoping it lives up to my expectations for it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#36 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 05:35:52
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#26</b> "flamethrower" wrote...
<QUOTE>#25 "Vengeance[CoD]" wrote...

Movies like any Jerry Bruckenheimer film are the movie equivalent of Deer Hunter, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.


As opposed to The Deer Hunter (I heard the VC rarely-if-ever did the roulette thing, is that true). </QUOTE>

heh, I never said that.  You mis quoted... :)  Whos VC?

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#37 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 05:40:16
Tikgod@hotmail.com
I believe Flamey is referring to the Viet Cong guerrila fighters that operated in South Vietnam for the majority of the war, they launched the infamous Tet Offensive which effectively ended Americas involvement in Vietnam.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 05:43:04
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#37</b> "Tikki God" wrote...
<QUOTE>I believe Flamey is referring to the Viet Cong guerrila fighters that operated in South Vietnam for the majority of the war, they launched the infamous Tet Offensive which effectively ended Americas involvement in Vietnam.</QUOTE>


Naw, the bleeding heart liberals did that :-)

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#39 by "shaithis"
2000-06-18 05:56:11
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
<B>The Deer Hunter</B>, starring Robert Deniro, Glenn Close, and Christopher Walken, is an excellent drama about the Viet Nam War, and its effects on a group of blue-collar steel workers from Pittsburgh. It involves a lot of Russian Roulette, despite the fact that there was virtually none of that going on in the real war. Most critics believe it was used symbolically, to represent the futility of the war, and the efforts made against it. If you haven't seen it, I'd strongly suggest you do. Deniro is (as he was in all of his 70s movies, before he got typecast) amazing.

<B>Deer Hunter</B> was a highly successful hunting game which, while lacking in any real depth, more than made up for it in mass-appeal. If you haven't played it, then I'd recommend keeping it that way.

This has been a public service anouncement from shaithis. :)

-shai
#40 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 06:02:08
Tikgod@hotmail.com
<b>#38</b> "Vengeance[CoD]" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Naw, the bleeding heart liberals did that :-)

V</QUOTE>

Well basically what happened is, we thought we had the war won, then the Viet Cong launched a huge offensive on the Tet holiday, which is sort of like our 4th of July, but bigger, so basically no one was expecting it cause everyone thought they would be shooting of fireworks and crap.  Well, they did shoot of fireworks, and then hit us with a well-coordinated offensive that hit us everywhere at once. They even got inside the capitol of South Vietnam and killed a bunch of Vietnemese politicians, we ended up killing 10,000s of the VC as a result, and afterward the VC pretty much ceased to exist, with front-line North Vietnamese soldiers taking the brunt of the fighting from that point on.  This caused the liberals to cry bloody murder that we had never made any real progress in Vietnam and never would, and at that point US troops began steadily decreasing in Vietnam, until finally after most of us had left, the NV beat SV in a matter of days.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "Craig"
2000-06-18 06:14:36
craigl@globalnet.co.uk http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/
New <b>CrapSpy v1.0b4</b> is up at <a href="http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/">http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/</a>

Lots of nice new features, such as...
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- Full post and topic searching with multiple filters
- HTML checking (shows any missing HTML tag ending, etc.)
- Notify list (highlights in post list, tray icon flash when join chat)
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- Options to play sound or flash icon if new posts are found
- Links to Quote of the Nanosecond (double-click the quote box)

and <a href="http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/">more</a>...<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "shaithis"
2000-06-18 06:17:30
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
That's all true, but let's not just blame the Liberals and ignore the fact that we never should've been in Viet Nam in the first place. :)

And before anyone accuses me of being a Liberal myself (liberals and conservatives alike disturb me), do your history research. Viet Nam came to us before they ever went to the communists, looking for aid in their (perfectly valid) attempt to get the french colonialists the hell out of their country<B>*</B>. We shrugged them off, and we did it purposely, because we were courting France to join the UN, in order to balance against communist Russia and China.

So basically, we brought the entire thing on ourselves... "fighting" the communists by making them the only people Viet Nam could turn to for help. Let's all have a sarcastic round of clapping for the United States government.

-shai

<B>*</B>yes, I'm aware that the US also has colonies, and I would feel that their attempts to get us the hell out of their countries would also be perfectly valid.
#43 by "Fortyseven[BTEG]"
2000-06-18 06:23:01
47@spacemoose.com http://hac47.dhs.org
<b>#41</b> "Craig" wrote...
<QUOTE>New CrapSpy v1.0b4 is up at http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/ </QUOTE>
Nice timing, I just grabbed CrapSpy for the first time hours ago. :D  (And it's great -- good job.  Too bad there's no Linux version yet, though. ;))<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#44 by "Tikki God"
2000-06-18 06:23:23
Tikgod@hotmail.com
<b>#42</b> "shaithis" wrote...
<QUOTE>That's all true, but let's not just blame the Liberals and ignore the fact that we never should've been in Viet Nam in the first place. :)
</QUOTE>

Well damn straight!  And the thing that kills me about it is that the the domino effect theory turned out to be wrong, I mean sure a few moure Asian countries fell to communism, but not all of that portion of the world fell to communism. How many good American boys did we lose for that domino theory? Not sure, but I believe we lost around 200,000-300,000 young-men.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#45 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 07:06:56
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#42</b> "shaithis" wrote...
<QUOTE>
*yes, I'm aware that the US also has colonies, and I would feel that their attempts to get us the hell out of their countries would also be perfectly valid. </QUOTE>

You mean like the states?

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "Vengeance[CoD]"
2000-06-18 07:12:20
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#44</b> "Tikki God" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Well damn straight! And the thing that kills me about it is that the the domino effect theory turned out to be wrong, I mean sure a few moure Asian countries fell to communism, but not all of that portion of the world fell to communism. How many good American boys did we lose for that domino theory? Not sure, but I believe we lost around 200,000-300,000 young-men.</QUOTE>

I agree totally.  We really shouldn't be involved in any wars that don't impact our great country.  We can't be everyones peace keepers.  We always bail out other countries at the expence of ourselves when we have no real interest in it ourselves.  Why should we die in Vietnam, Korea, Irag, France, Germany?  Let them fix it themselves.  

You have to look out for number one, right?

V<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#47 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-06-18 08:06:25
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
Steve :
<quote>Black & White is, in theory, doing this, and it's a great idea, but I'd like to see it brought down the reality a bit. If you run around killing everything, have everyone treat you as the psychotic person you would be... but if you figure out alternative approaches, have the game react accordingingly. </quote>

The problem that designers face with this kind of stuff, is that no matter what you do, you have to be able to win the game.  They can't let the game get into an unwinnable state.  If everyone regarded you as a complete psycho and wouldn't talk to you or give you information or trade with you or whatever ... you'd be screwed.  Games have to act a little weird sometimes to allow you to proceed ...

Sure, there's a number of ways around this ... like waiting until everyone forgets you're a psycho (how long would THAT take?), taking some magic Potion of Normal Behavior +2 and having all your psycho shit erased, etc ... but all of that seems like ... well, not much fun.  :)

I have this discussion with people sometimes ... I get stuff like ...

"I should be able to come around the corner and blow away the guy standing there if I want to.  I should be completely free in the game world!"
"What if that guy has critical information that you need to progress?"
"I could get it somewhere else!"
"What if he's the only one who had it and he didn't write it down?"
"Well ... then the game shouldn't let me kill him."
"How does it do that if the game world is completely free and open?  How do you do that without it seeming contrived?"
"Well ... uhh ..."

:)
#48 by "shaithis"
2000-06-18 08:09:57
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
<B>Vengeance</B> -

No, I mean like Puerto Rico, Guam and the Phillipines.

and are you being sarcastic in #46? Because we weren't "bailing out" Viet Nam. We were stepping all over them in fear of something that wasn't worth worrying about (communism), because of a situation *we* created in the first place.

-shai
#49 by "shaithis"
2000-06-18 08:13:29
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
wait... wait... I like Warren's discussion better. Can we stop talking about Viet Nam? :)

Warren - Personally, I'm willing to step up and admit that I'd rather have a linear game that's fun and interesting (Half-Life, WoT) than one that tries to be open-ended and ends up being boring or broken (tresspasser, for example).

I don't see games as a simulation of real life. If I wanted that, I'd go outside. I see them as a way, like movies or novels, to tell a story. You don't see someone leaving a screening of The Godfather saying "well shit, now if I could've told Don Corleone not to buy those oranges, because he was going to get shot... well, that would've been a _really_ good movie."

-shai
#50 by "Serpwidgets"
2000-06-18 08:17:15
serpwidgets@hotmail.com http://people.ce.mediaone.net/serpwidgets/index.ht
<b>#32</b> "L0cksm1th" wrote...
<QUOTE>Anyways, there has been an excellent movie based on a computer game: Tron.</QUOTE>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the game based on the movie? I was an arcade brat back then, and I saw the movie something like a year or two before I ever saw the game.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
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