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Scott Miller's Origin of the Species
August 19th 2002, 15:06 CEST by m0nty

Scott Miller of 3D Realms now has a column on the site of the International Game Developers Association, in which he holds forth on subjects like how original games are superior to licensed properties. I hardly need say more for the rabid fanboi hordes to descend on PlanetCrap in an orgy of violence and depravity.

The August edition of this august journal was in a Q&A format, with the asker being an IGDA member named Raphael van Lierop. The questions covered the relationship between gaming and other media, movies in particular, and how cross-pollination of concepts and storylines might stifle creativity.

A: I don't see lack of original content as too big a problem. The game industry will always have original games and the movie industry original movies, and the hits from each industry will have a good chance of crossing over to other entertainment industries.

I'm sure I don't need to go through all the nuances of 3DR-is-just-an-IP-thieves-guild this, or Scott's-a-marketing-ignoramus that. In fact, Scott is not actually wrong about anything in his column, but I guess there's no pleasing some people. As an example, here is what Geekgirl had to say on the subject:

By the way, speaking of Scotty, did you know he’s got his own column now on some sight? Its called “Miller time”. Once again the boys at 3-D Realms manage to avoid coming up with something original and ripped off more popular culture.

Do we really need to get the inside scoop on the game business from some guy that can’t even ship a game? I think not, but I don’t run the world. At least not yet.

What do you need questions for? FIGHT!
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#21 by deadlock
2002-08-19 17:01:17
http://www.deadlocked.org/
yeah, i remember that. AFAIR, HappyCow was fairly popular here until she turned into a fruit (or, at least, came out as one). She is GeekGirl as well though, isn't she?

Now that I think about it, everyone got pissed off with HappyCow because very post was intended to pimp her (shitty) site.

smells like fish, tastes like chicken!
#22 by Ergo
2002-08-19 17:02:40
Warren, you and Scott are the Chosen.

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#23 by Dinglehoffen
2002-08-19 17:24:43
Fanny Fungus
"About the column, I was asked to do it by the IGDA's director because I was fairly active helping newbies in their forums.  I didn't want to do it, but they were insistent.  It's strictly a Q&A column, not a soapbox.  Oh, and they named the column, not I.  I do not like the name--I would have named it something simple like "Game Development Matters."

Who's geekgirl?!  (Not that I care, so nevermind.)

Anyway, glad to see I'm worthy of my own topic!  ;-)"

Translation: "I'm not responsible for anything. Everything is a misrepresentation. All the hot air leaked out when the damned interviewer had the freakin' gun to my head regarding the interview. I just answered their questions in the same way some dipwheedle high school dropout would answer a letter from an old Mr. Biology teacher who taught me osmosis via the after-school plan. I avoided preaching since everyone knows I don't practice jack squat and all creativity has stagnated in a puddle of George's ankle pus.

Aside from all this, negative attention is a fix from my early childhood. I'll take it, since Romero has now bounced back, and here I am leering at my occupation with the dim-witted drools of complete idiocy.

And don't ask me about DNF, you piece of hell.

"Is the internet making people more intellectual?"
"Well, are people triple posting? Then no."
#24 by Ergo
2002-08-19 17:31:36
What?

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#25 by Your Friend
2002-08-19 17:52:40
I think the column looks at licensed games in the wrong direction.  Its not so much a matter of licensed games not being among the top game sellers and thus stupid to produce, its more that a license allows what would otherwise be shovelware to actually sell more units than it would without the license.  Licensed games are almost universally bad and developed by the B or C teams of a dev house.  If these people weren't working on games with licenses, they'd be working on games just as shitty with no license (and much less of a chance of selling well).

Shovelware's going to be with us no matter what, licensed shovelware is actually useful from a publisher's standpoint because it will be shovelware with some existing branding, mindshare, whatever.
#26 by Foodbunny
2002-08-19 18:44:53
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
So tiny.

Come back!  You're not a freak, you're just stupid!
#27 by Sgt Hulka
2002-08-19 19:28:30
I like the fact that Scott gives back to the community through his writings/teachings.  Sure we may not agree with all of it, but at least he's trying.

It reminds me of the kid in special ed who wants to play football, but doesn't really have the physical mass and coordination to make the team, yet, the team feels sorry for him and lets him play the last play in the last game senior year.  Of course, he ends up getting a cracked skull, bruised kidneys, broken nose and a fractured spine from being tackled by twelve two-hundred pound gorillas as soon as the ball is snapped, but at least he got his chance to shine in the sun.  Well, not exactly like that, but close.  Right?

" What the world needs now, is a Carcharodan Megalodon game. "
#28 by Charles
2002-08-19 19:49:58
www.bluh.org
The IGDA is such a waste of time.  Especially their monthly 'meetings', which usually involve a bunch of idea men begging for jobs.  If you are one of the unlucky ones who are actually employed in the game industry, this is an average conversation:

<insert greetings here>
Random guy talks about all these cool ideas he has.
I ask what kind of experience he has.
He answers with "Well, none yet, but is your company hiring"
EOD.

"'Halo 2' is a lot like 'Halo', only it's 'Halo' on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas," explained Jason Jones, the head of Bungie Studios, "and the ninjas are all on fire, too."
#29 by Warren Marshall
2002-08-19 19:56:17
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I get that at E3 sometimes ... someone I met one time, somewhere, that I can't remember anymore, will walk up to me and want to discuss their great idea that will change the face of gaming forever.  God, I hate E3.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#30 by Your Friend
2002-08-19 19:56:36
I'm not sure who annoys me more, Geekgirl or Scott Miller.  Thus I'm running out of things to say on this thread.  

This is perhaps the 5th or 6th thread in a row that I couldn't give a rats ass about.  Is this some grand conspiracy to get rid of the troll by boring him off the site?
#31 by Matthew Gallant
2002-08-19 19:57:41
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch.

"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#32 by Ergo
2002-08-19 19:58:09
Shit. He's on to us.

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#33 by Dinglehoffen
2002-08-19 20:17:48
Fanny Fungus
Wow, I wonder if that 5XXXXXXXX-Large "DNForever" shirt came with a man-bra!

Gotta love marketing bombshells that don't even EXIST.

"Is the internet making people more intellectual?"
"Well, are people triple posting? Then no."
#34 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-08-19 20:18:20
No, he's shitting on us.

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#35 by crash
2002-08-19 20:27:55
if anyone ever votes yes again on a topic that contains a geekgirl quote, i will hunt you down and kill you.

that is all.

"Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
#36 by ADoomedMarine
2002-08-19 20:59:54
http://www.planetmaxpayne.com/
this GeekGirl chick sounds like she is up herself.. no offense to anyone that knows her.  I mean she blasts Scott, lets see her to something in the game industry, it aint hard to run a site and talk big but let her try do what Scott is doing.

See what she says then.
#37 by Dinglehoffen
2002-08-19 21:03:37
Fanny Fungus
Good thing DNF is the abandoned dream of a going-bankrupt company: otherwise, upon its release (and due to its incessant delay), it would be a warez heydey. : )

"Is the internet making people more intellectual?"
"Well, are people triple posting? Then no."
#38 by ADoomedMarine
2002-08-19 21:06:56
http://www.planetmaxpayne.com/
your an idiot dinglehoffen *nods*
#39 by Warren Marshall
2002-08-19 21:08:18
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Oh the sweet, sweet irony.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#40 by Bailey
2002-08-19 21:41:43
Warren

I get that at E3 sometimes ... someone I met one time, somewhere, that I can't remember anymore, will walk up to me and want to discuss their great idea that will change the face of gaming forever.  God, I hate E3.

Dammit Warren, buy me plane tickets for next year and I'll personally walk around and headbutt idea men for you, FREE OF CHARGE!!! I don't even want to go there to see the games or meet devs, I just like hurting stupid people.

Alcohol is clearly involved here.
#41 by Ergo
2002-08-19 22:12:31
a going-bankrupt company


That's the best line I've heard all day. I'd love to partake in their "bankruptcy."

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#42 by bago
2002-08-19 22:18:01
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Right. Miller responds like a professional and Chella respons like a twerp. I don't have time for twerps.

iamelectro
#43 by Datafox
2002-08-19 22:21:29
http://jove.prohosting.com/~datafox/
"By the way, speaking of Scotty, did you know he’s got his own column now on some sight?"

Sight? That just bugs me in her post.

Just because I find some sandwich under my seat does not mean I will eat it. Same for gum.
#44 by Warren Marshall
2002-08-19 22:26:11
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Yeah, but you're missing the bigger picture ... she called him "Scotty".  Really puts him in his place.  Owned or something.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#45 by Dinglehoffen
2002-08-19 22:46:29
Fanny Fungus
" your an idiot dinglehoffen "

Hmmm....hmmm...Oh, I see. You must mean the following:

"You're an idiot, Dinglehoffen."

Heh...reminds me of Ali's quote:

"Strategy? What strategy? He came at me with his head instead of his hands, so I knocked it off."

"Is the internet making people more intellectual?"
"Well, are people triple posting? Then no."
#46 by HiredGoons
2002-08-19 22:49:49
Hardware Hijack:

Problem:  5.1 speakers with no rear output when mp3s are played with Musicmatch jukebox.

History:  WinXP (home edition), Audigy card.  Latest drivers installed.   Rear speakers work perfectly with Winamp and games.  I've only been able to duplicate this problem with Musicmatch jukebox.

Help a brother out?

If your solution is "stick to Winamp, jackass" then you are a new nazi.
#47 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-08-19 22:55:51
Stick to Winamp version <3.0 jackass.

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#48 by Ergo
2002-08-19 22:59:09
Double-check the settings under Sound and Multimedia. In the Hardware tab, click the Advanced button under Sound Playback. Make sure the speakers are set to Quadrophonic.

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#49 by CheesyPoof
2002-08-19 23:15:53
Does the audigy have an issue with XP?  I was researching the audigy prior to my purchace and read that some people had problems with it and XP.
#50 by HiredGoons
2002-08-19 23:29:59
Ergo

Thanks for help, but no dice.  I've tried all the configurations listed there, but thank you for giving it a shot.

CheesyPoof

I'm not sure.  Right now, it seems like more of an issue with Musicmatch Jukebox since that is the only app giving me this headache.

Fugazi

Back at ya.
#51 by LPMiller
2002-08-19 23:50:16
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
hmm, I use musicmatch, and I don't have your problem with my logitechs.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#52 by HiredGoons
2002-08-19 23:57:59
LPMiller

Yah, and since my google-fu is exceptionally anemic I'm convinced I'm the only one suffering this problem too.  

Musicmatch tech support was limited to the the predictable "check to make sure your cables are connected."

It looks like I'll be converting to Winamp or perhaps there is some other great mp3 player/organizer that I don't know about?
#53 by Your Friend
2002-08-20 00:09:03
I like Windows Media Player!
#54 by Fallon
2002-08-20 00:16:53
http://www.fagnews.com
Don't use Musicmatch.

Simple.

"Computer games don't affect kids. I mean, if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music!" - Kristian Wilson of Nintendo, Inc. - 1989
#55 by deadlock
2002-08-20 00:17:36
http://www.deadlocked.org/
It's official: Your Friend is retarded.

smells like fish, tastes like chicken!
#56 by Your Friend
2002-08-20 00:48:57
Windows Media Player is a fine media player.
#57 by yotsuya
2002-08-20 01:10:58
You know, I just thumbed through the latest issue of PC Gamer and realized 2 things:

1) There are ads for a lot more crappy games than I thought could ever exist

and

2) Besides DX2, the only games I am looking forward to in 2003 come from Monolith.

Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL
#58 by bago
2002-08-20 01:17:47
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
WMP8 might be less of a travesty than WMP7 was, but it's still pretty bad.

iamelectro
#59 by bago
2002-08-20 01:18:11
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
hresult? what's that?

iamelectro
#60 by m0nty
2002-08-20 01:26:14
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I'm glad this topic was voted in. It gave me a good deal of enjoyment. Thank you, Supermorn!
#61 by Bailey
2002-08-20 01:27:49
I wish my roommate would stop dousing himself in mint aftershave every damn morning. He smells like trident gum, and so does the whole house.

Alcohol is clearly involved here.
#62 by Warren Marshall
2002-08-20 01:30:01
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
You know, I just thumbed through the latest issue of PC Gamer and realized 2 things:

1) There are ads for a lot more crappy games than I thought could ever exist

and

2) Besides DX2, the only games I am looking forward to in 2003 come from Monolith.

Hey, this is nothing new.  I have stacks of old Commodore magazines here and if you flip through them, the amount of crap being advertised is staggering.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#63 by George Broussard
2002-08-20 01:32:47
georgeb@3drealms.com
m0nty,

I'm glad this topic was voted in. It gave me a good deal of enjoyment. Thank you, Supermorn!


It's just too bad the topic has no point?  This is like some of the lame topics Andy used to throw up.
#64 by Matthew Gallant
2002-08-20 01:37:50
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
You know, I just thumbed through the latest issue of PC Gamer


Poor thumb.

"Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?"
#65 by Greg
2002-08-20 01:54:59
This is like some of the lame topics Andy used to throw up.

m0nty's progression towards becoming the next Andy is moving along quite smoothly.

Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?
#66 by CheesyPoof
2002-08-20 02:07:21
Yea, of PC Gamers top ten games of 2003 only DX2 was interesting, but how they could leave Doom 3 off the list is beyond me since id had that huge ass banner at E3 saying "Arriving 2003" (or something to that effect).
#67 by Charles
2002-08-20 02:12:51
www.bluh.org
People automatically assume that games will be later than expected.

"'Halo 2' is a lot like 'Halo', only it's 'Halo' on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas," explained Jason Jones, the head of Bungie Studios, "and the ninjas are all on fire, too."
#68 by Your Friend
2002-08-20 02:24:38

People automatically assume that games will be later than expected.


That's weird!!  I wonder why!
#69 by yotsuya
2002-08-20 02:48:22
Seriously, I'm already selling stuff on eBay to earn $$$ for NOLF2 and Tron 2.0. Fpr the rest of 2002, it will only be UT2003.

BTW, Warren, will you autograph my copy?

Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL
#70 by Warren Marshall
2002-08-20 03:14:37
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
BTW, Warren, will you autograph my copy?

Do I have to sign my name?

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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