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An Army of None
July 23rd 2002, 12:18 CEST by LesJarvis

To be sure, it's the main question posed by the article, but the author doesn't seem particularly interested in why this general sense of apathy is the case.  The BDTPA aims to kill the open-source software movement, while the Tauzin-Dingell is an attempt to establish local broadband monopolies for telco's.  And while there's been much flag-waving and grandstanding by various individuals about the evil of such laws (along with the DMCA and UCITA) there has yet to form a cohesive movement among internet users and consumers to prevent their enactment.

My first instinct is that this lack of enthusiasm stems from a more general apathy towards legislation by the internet hardcore.  The 'net was established without law, and they see no reason why it shouldn't continue to exist in a lawless vacuum, regardless of what a bunch of politicians and corporate bozos would like to think.  Even if such laws were enacted, how could someone effectively be stopped from sitting in their basement and creating worthwhile open-source programs and releasing them for free?  The first amendment seems to demand that such a thing be legal, regardless of the hopes and dreams of Microsoft.  So why worry, we're protected by that law to trump all others, freedom of speech, right?

On the other hand, maybe this kind of thing is viewed as inevitable.  Corporations have been using congress to prop up aging business models in the face of new technology for much longer than we've been around, so we should eat, drink, and get all the pr0n we can find on edonkey 'til daddy takes the t-bird away.  With high-profile businessmen screwing over employees, stockholders, and consumers and getting away with it, who are we, a bunch of tech-heads, to challenge such entrenched power bases?  We could call or write our collective congressmen, but money speaks louder than letter-writing campaigns, and unfortunately Warner Bros. has much deeper pockets than anyone I know.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong on both accounts.  Still, the situation puzzles me.  Where art thou oh great army of 'net geeks?
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#1 by Neale
2002-07-23 12:20:13
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
I don't feel that i am qualified to comment on this subject.

signatures are, as I've stated, for perverts
#2 by BobJustBob
2002-07-23 12:29:30
I am apathetic towards this topic.

So there.
#3 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-23 12:42:27
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
So why worry, we're protected by that law to trump all others, freedom of speech, right?

I guess that depends if the courts deem software as "speech" or "expression".  But I would think that if you produce it, there's nothing to stop you from releasing it ... unless they end up controlling the net and policing all content.  Lame ...

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#4 by Matt Davis
2002-07-23 13:06:20
http://looroll.com
I think theres apathy towards this kind of stuff because there so many lame things being put up by senators, its hard to see the singal from the noise.

Wait till we all shift to 'The Grid' which is now being designed by universities around the world, hopefully it won't be internet compatible and we can start afresh.

This week I will be mostly wearing no pants
#5 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 13:08:50
Where art thou oh great army of 'net geeks?

They're all busy, downloading warez and pr0n.
#6 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 13:49:03
The record companies and the software publishers alike have been missing the boat for years. You keep on putting different locks on the same glass door, and then charging the honest people more and more to get in.  There was a time when I wouldn't dream of copying a game to try it. Ofcourse in those days games cost $39.  Now that they are up in the $80 range (NWN, WCIII) I have to say anyone who blindly buys a game priced that high is silly. The history of game development shows the likelyhood of that game working properly to be slim.

So each year more and more people discover programs like CDClone and Blindwrite.  That's fine if those people still buy the products when they DO work.. but some people don't (most do) each year as the games get more and more expensive more and more people stop buying them.

Everyone praises the developer who is still "supporting" their game a year later. I'm saying - WTF is wrong with this company that it could sell a game which was still one year away from being complete for fucking $80!!  

People who buy games after playing the demo are much like people who buy a car after a 5 min test drive. They soon start to notice the things they don't like about it, and worse the things that just don't work.

Here's a thought, don't make your GAME the price of a week's groceries and possibly you won't need to spend all your money and the tax payer's money on protection schemes that won't work anyway...

Just a thought, but hey what do I know right?
#7 by Bailey
2002-07-23 13:57:45
You know that only anonymous posters have credibility.

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#8 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 14:05:37
what gives you the crediblity to say that?  


hehe catch 22

I can't register from work.. can't recieve my confirmation/activation email
#9 by Gallatin
2002-07-23 14:22:21
kelethin@yahoo.com
I'm fearful of what MS and telcos and Congress working together can create, sure. Here's a chilling link about TCPA/Palladium and how the big corporations really do want to police the files on your computer, and have the hardware 'remove' the content that hasn't been obtained legally.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Erja14/tcpa-faq.html

My apathy stems from not being able to fight MS head on. And that will lead me further and further toward Linux. I can work around a lot of software issues right now because I work in a place that has site licenses that I can 'borrow' to use at home. But that'll most likely come to an end if the above scenario ends up playing out like MS wants it to.

Games will be the only place that I'm really stuck. Everything else I want to do with computers, I can do on Linux.
#10 by Gallatin
2002-07-23 14:26:26
kelethin@yahoo.com
Yeah, ok, first post and all.

Here's a link that doesn't require ctrl-c, ctrl-v

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Erja14/tcpa-faq.html

The Preview button is a fabulous tool.
#11 by Darkseid-D
2002-07-23 14:28:06
rogerboal@hotmail.com
pardon me anon, but you can read and post here and NOT reach a hotmail account? or yahoo mail or any gods alone number of web-based freemails ?


somehow, I think not.



Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#12 by Matt Perkins
2002-07-23 14:38:30
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I'd reply to Anon, but he isn't arguing about open source software, he's justifying stealing...  weeee.

I see the internet as already owned.  Who owns the backbones?  Who owns the servers?  Who owns the ISPs?  It's only a matter of time before corporations get there act together and find some way to fuck us over on the Internet.

I'm the returning fucking champion.
#13 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 14:59:50
Dingell Bills, Dingell Bills, Dingell allllll the waaaaaaayyyyy....

Oh what fuuuun, it is to post,

When the thread's so very gaaaaayy....

thank you

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#14 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 15:07:14
Actually no I cant reach any of the free email services. My connection to the net is very limited from work.

Besides would getting a free email account so I could have a user name here give me anymore crediblity?  doubtfull... well maybe some people might see that as credible.. likely the same person who thinks I am trying to "justify stealing"  

um ya did you read the post?
#15 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 15:09:04
Lack of correct punctuation and/or spelling (None-1a excepted) makes the baby jesus cry.

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#16 by Neale
2002-07-23 15:11:05
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
MCorleone:

#13 was the first PC post to actually make me laugh out loud in a long time. Thankyou.

signatures are, as I've stated, for perverts
#17 by OwenButler
2002-07-23 15:11:20
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#14 by "Anonymous"
um ya did you read the post?

No.
#18 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 15:16:24
Open source software... it's dead. It's a target of every corp trying to turn a buck in the marketplace.  

You already play for distros of Linux - why? because it costs money to support an O/S or any other type of program.

Years ago when we all used to buy Compute! Magazine we could just type the Machine Language programs into our Comodore 64s and enjoy... well today things are different. They really are.

You can say I'm "justifying stealing" all you want... the same people who are killing open source are causing the warez "movement" (ok I couldn't think of anything better to call it) to grow at an insane rate.  I don't think people should steal anything - including my hard earned money out of my pocket by false advertising.  

Hey epic boys - Unreal was supposed to change the genre well for the first 6 months it didn't even run..... that money was stolen from my pocket because at the time I was too stupid not to copy and try the program first.    

Put out good products for a fair price and both these whole issues go away.  Open Source is not a threat because people wanting retail software will pay the fair price if they know it's going to work.  Warez becomes a non issue because only the theives will be left doing it - and they would be anyway - while the honest people would be willing to pay the fair price for a working product.

This whole thing is about companies panicing that they can't convince people to buy their half-assed bug ware anymore.
#19 by Bailey
2002-07-23 15:30:54
Hey, here's a fun game you can't ever win: Justify software theft to a crowd with a healthy population of industry types! The challenge is endless!

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#20 by Neale
2002-07-23 15:35:30
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
Of course, you could always have got a system that was able to play Unreal. Have a look at the "minimum specifications" part of the game box. Impressive isn't it? Now, read the text. If the specifications of your system are greater than or equal to those listed, then you can run the game! Yay!

Other than that, fuck off and die.

signatures are, as I've stated, for perverts
#21 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 15:44:26
Agreed Bailey, but that's not what I was doing. I was pointing to the cause of the problem. I'm sure it would be great if we could just come up with some perfect copy protection which would stop all warez types from distributing games freely.  That's not going to happen though. You've got what a few thousand people working on copy protection and a few million working on ways to break it.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. (ok so I got that from some guy selling a pyramid scam.. but the saying works)

That's what software developers are doing. They are creating new and more wonderful copy protection types, and getting more and more interesting laws put on the books. Niether of these things have EVER worked in the past so what makes anyone think it will work in the future?

Here's a thought, when you have a problem you might want to look at the cause factors involved. The cause factor here is people are tired of paying too much for games that don't work. Solve that simple problem and you've solved your warez problem.

That isn't justifying stealing, it's telling it like it is.  Sorry if people don't normally talk to game developers like that.  I'm personally sick of hearing how great developers are because they "give us great games".  No game developer has given me a game since Quake II was released as share ware.  Wow howmany copies of Quake II sold?  Now compare that sales model to the one used for Quake III  My point is made.
#22 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-23 15:44:55
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Everyone knows reading the minimum specs and making a mental comparison to your machine at home before purchasing the game or maybe talking to people who already bought the game and have similar computers to yours and asking how it runs for them ... is the new nazis.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#23 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-23 15:47:50
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Anon
That's what software developers are doing. They are creating new and more wonderful copy protection types, and getting more and more interesting laws put on the books. Niether of these things have EVER worked in the past so what makes anyone think it will work in the future?

Yeah, copy protection doesn't work.  That's why we keep putting it on our games.  Good call.

That isn't justifying stealing, it's telling it like it is.  Sorry if people don't normally talk to game developers like that.

It's less about talking to game developers and more about not spitting in peoples faces.

Wow howmany copies of Quake II sold?  Now compare that sales model to the one used for Quake III  My point is made.

Your point is that a single player game with a software renderer outsold a multiplayer only game requiring hardware acceleration?  What exactly IS your point?

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#24 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 15:57:03
Deconstructing the AnnoynyMouse:

Open source software... it's dead. It's a target of every corp trying to turn a buck in the marketplace.  


Yeah.  Forget about profits, corporations' main goals are to stamp out open source at all costs.  Jihad, if you will.  Meh.  The best product, or the one with the best marketing will prevail.

You already play for distros of Linux - why? because it costs money to support an O/S or any other type of program.


Yes, I play them a lot.  After the first level though, the difficulty really plateaus.

Years ago when we all used to buy Compute! Magazine we could just type the Machine Language programs into our Comodore 64s and enjoy... well today things are different. They really are.


Thanks for the wake-up call.  In other news, the sky is blue.  Also, point me to the compute magazine that allowed you to type in your own Quake3-calibre game.  Your argument is weaker than my gf's coffee.  

You can say I'm "justifying stealing" all you want... the same people who are killing open source are causing the warez "movement" (ok I couldn't think of anything better to call it) to grow at an insane rate.  


Oh, and they're also helping the terrorists win.  Care to explain, or continue to snipe ridiculous, delusional trash?

I don't think people should steal anything - including my hard earned money out of my pocket by false advertising.  


Zing!

Hey epic boys - Unreal was supposed to change the genre well for the first 6 months it didn't even run..... that money was stolen from my pocket because at the time I was too stupid not to copy and try the program first.    


Really?  I missed that ad campaign.  Changing the genre, hmm?  Another possible reason:  You were too stupid to wait for the dust to settle and any issues to come to light.  

Put out good products for a fair price and both these whole issues go away.  


Okay.  Will do.  We'll nominate you as chairperson of the "set fair prices" board.  You can decide what's a fair price.  Also decide what's a "good product".  Go to it, sparky.

Open Source is not a threat because people wanting retail software will pay the fair price if they know it's going to work.  


I agree.  And once gambling becomes legal in Tibet the oranges will be cheaper in Haiti.

Warez becomes a non issue because only the theives will be left doing it


Wow.  How perceptive.  Genius, no less.

- and they would be anyway - while the honest people would be willing to pay the fair price for a working product.


Fool.  As long as anyone steals the product the developer will have to factor in that cost into the price of the legitimate copies.  Oh, but I forgot; you're setting the "fair prices" now.  Sorry.

This whole thing is about companies panicing that they can't convince people to buy their half-assed bug ware anymore.


Oh.  Thanks for distilling the whole issue down to that one sentence.  Wrong, though, as software sales are booming.  Thanks for playing, though!

Go dazzle the people at shacknews or wherever you're from with your brilliant wit and obvious intelligence.  That or crank up your Rage Against the Machine and go march in a protest.  Hippie.



Neale, #16:  Thanks, glad I made someone laugh.

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#25 by BobJustBob
2002-07-23 16:15:01
Anonymous, please return to to the alternate dimension you came from where Quake 2 was released as shareware. kthx bye.

So there.
#26 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 16:24:25
Hey Warren,

Ya I had a system with more than the min specs required to run the program. And no I didn't wait to talk to other people who bought the game. I bought it the first day it was avaible. Opps I forgot to wait and see if the game actually ran on people's computers.

What would happen if you bought a new car and it didn't run at all? would it be your fault because you didn't wait to see if it worked for all your friends? No, you'd take it back. (er you'd have to have them come get it..) Oh but wait! Softare has a shrink wrap warrenty... you can only take it back <b>before</b> you open it. Good idea! I wish I could do that with my products! What a concept! This product is warrentied only until the first time you use it!

Copy protection works..... ya try looking at isonews to see the games which haven't even been released to the "BUYING" public yet that are easily found for download.  I'm sure there are many other sources out there as well.

Ask Microsoft if copy protection works. Ask them why they have to change the corp cd key system on their latest O/S.

Guys guys guys, you are all getting so nasty.  I understand that for most of you, it's your life's work we are talking about and I may <b>sound</b> like I am promoting the idea of stealing what you sell to put food on your table. Instead of thinking that why don't you actually READ what I've written.  I may not be shakespear but I believe I have a good point. I'm sure it's been made before but why not take a look at it for real for a change.  

No one can say with a straight face that copy protection works.  Proper marketing and providing solid products does work though.

So the software sales are booming? Howcome I keep reading publishers complaining about warez and how it cuts into sales then? Why has the price of games gone up by over 1/3 in the last year? Is it because costs have gone up that much? Don't think so. So what's the deal?
#27 by Fallon
2002-07-23 16:41:10
http://www.fagnews.com
What would happen if you bought a new car and it didn't run at all? would it be your fault because you didn't wait to see if it worked for all your friends?


1) I'd test drive the car. 2) If you think I'm letting my nutjob friends near my car you're crazy!

"The pain was enough to make a shy, bald Buddhist reflect and plan a mass-murder."
#28 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-23 16:41:48
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
No, you're right.  Copy protection has no effect ... everyone in the world visits ISONews and downloads the warez/cracks.  We've covered this in the past.  Many times.

Oh, and I'm wrong.  That's a given ...

No one can say with a straight face that copy protection works.  Proper marketing and providing solid products does work though.

Yeah, tell Looking Glass all about it.

So the software sales are booming? Howcome I keep reading publishers complaining about warez and how it cuts into sales then? Why has the price of games gone up by over 1/3 in the last year? Is it because costs have gone up that much? Don't think so. So what's the deal?

No, it couldn't possibly be that games are more expensive to make this year than last.  That's just nuts.  There must be another, more conspiracy friendly answer ... anyone?

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#29 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 16:44:52
Allow me to destroy this annoying comparison once and for all:

What would happen if you bought a new car and it didn't run at all? would it be your fault because you didn't wait to see if it worked for all your friends? No, you'd take it back. (er you'd have to have them come get it..) Oh but wait! Softare has a shrink wrap warrenty


Car = total solution.  Software + Hardware.  All built by the manufacturer.
Software = software.  (There, had to add that line for you to understand)

For your analogy to hold true you would have to have Epic sell you a system to go along with Unreal.  I'm betting that they didn't.  They can't be held responsible for your (most likely incorrectly self-assembled) PC and it's fitness to run the game beyond the min specs.  Likely your trident card was the issue.

Your solutions:

1.  Deal with it.  Wait for patches or wait for the game to be out a couple of months to resolve issues.
2.  Buy a fucking console.
3.  Stop gaming.

Any of the above options should solve our issue of your posting here.

Now shut the hell up.

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#30 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 16:48:21
Once more into the breach:

So the software sales are booming? Howcome I keep reading publishers complaining about warez and how it cuts into sales then?


It cuts into sales, cuts into profits, yes.  If it became unprofitable to make and market games then they'd leave the industry.  One has nothing to do with the other.  How old are you?

Why has the price of games gone up by over 1/3 in the last year? Is it because costs have gone up that much? Don't think so. So what's the deal?


2 things, fool.  Warezing and Capitalism.  Don't like it?  Move to Afghanistan.

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#31 by Bailey
2002-07-23 16:52:01
Warren

No, it couldn't possibly be that games are more expensive to make this year than last.  That's just nuts.  There must be another, more conspiracy friendly answer ... anyone?

It involves leprechauns and the jewish mafia. But... I can say no more!

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#32 by mgns
2002-07-23 16:53:23
Shut the fuck up.

professional philosophical level design monkey.
#33 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 16:54:19
Love the pic, Bailey.  Dare I ask where from?

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#34 by Matt Perkins
2002-07-23 16:57:49
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Everyone that normally posts here:

If MattG were here, he'd give you a good spanking for being so easily trolled.  We all know that warez is theft and no amount of any justification changes that.  So anon has a sob story...so what.


Anon

Awww...those bad game developers, MAKING you buy their games.  MAKING you warez their product because you HAVE to own them.  Don't argue like a kid with the "I want it so I it's all right to steal it" theory.  That's bullshit and you know it.  If you can't afford to buy a car or the car won't run how you want it to, to use your example, do you go steal one?  Hopefully not.  It's stealing plain and simple.  Admit it, be free and happy with your stealing.

I'm the returning fucking champion.
#35 by Bailey
2002-07-23 17:02:35
You may dare.

It's a sketch by Dave Kelly, notorious freak cartoonist on the Keenspot network, from his one of his current projects called "Smut". Originally, the dog-type mound thing jiggled back and forth like he was doing a little dance, really set off the whole thing, but you know, no animated gifs on PC (thank sweet baby satan for that).

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#36 by Bailey
2002-07-23 17:03:10
Matt Perkins

You can't criticize the troll feeders and then jump in facefirst, you fucking hack!!

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#37 by Caryn
2002-07-23 17:07:32
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
How did this turn into a warez thread so soon? That has little to do with the topic, which I'll admit I voted yes for because I thought it was interesting.

My first instinct is that this lack of enthusiasm stems from a more general apathy towards legislation by the internet hardcore.


I'd agree with this -- the net appeals greatest to the youngest generations, and the younger generations tend to be more politically apathetic. I think there's also a sense that you can't fight Big Brother, so why bother trying? And finally, because the net is global in nature, laws being passed in the U.S. seem ridiculously out of place (depending on the proposed legislation).

"I can't drink POSSIBLE beers! I need ACTUAL beers! Damn you quantum physics!"
#38 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-23 17:09:16
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Matt Perkins

Nobody was trolled ... to be trolled, you need to be unaware of what's happening.  This attempt is obvious to anyone but a blind man.

I'll just point this out as well : I haven't seen this troll and Nutty in the room at the same time.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#39 by Ergo
2002-07-23 17:14:57
I think that this particualr topic has moved to the top of The List.

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#40 by _Fury_
2002-07-23 17:37:17
ajhill@wi.rr.com
Well, copy protection isn't really protecting people from copying. I'm sure it's doing something, but that's not it.

Personal anecdote: I was one of the many who was playing a .. shady .. copy of Warcraft 3 back in June. However, if you were to walk into my computer room now, you'd find a box with a night elf on it, and if you were to dig into my CD player on my computer you'd see a shiny, licensed, copy of Warcraft 3. Battle.net alone was well worth the $60 (well, the price sucked) I paid.

For strictly single player games there isn't a workable solution which is also acceptable. I mean, everyone knows that Palladium et. al. is bullshit. Everyone except for the RIAA and friends that is. But at the same time, without infringing on peoples rights - how exactly do you prevent an unauthorized person from running a single player game? The answer, of course, is that you don't. You ask them really nicely, and you make it difficult for them, but that can only go so far.

I'm not sure what anonymous's point is, but I do know that some of the current schemes in use make things harder for the legit user than the pirate. That's just horseshit and needs to stop.
When the (dubiously) free product is better than the pay one, wtf do you expect people to use? When the purchased version is more pleasant than the pirated version, expect sales to rise. My WC3 anecdote is evidence of that.

Research has been shown to cause cancer in laboratory rats.
#41 by Ashiran
2002-07-23 17:38:00
Actually no I cant reach any of the free email services. My connection to the net is very limited from work.

I didn't know that not having acces to free email services also prevents one from filling in the Name field.

Who would have thought!

"Good writers are harder to find than nice breasts" - morn
#42 by Bailey
2002-07-23 17:40:45
The only thing that rocks harder than apathetic types complaining about how unmotivated everyone is, would have to be the anarchists complaining things were too disorganized during the recent summit protests in Calgary.

It's never personal. I just enjoy being offensive is all.
#43 by "Annon!"
2002-07-23 18:07:59
LOL Ok I didn't know I could put a dif name in there.. ty



Yes that's my point _Fury_!!! See if you looked in my computer desk you would find many many bought and paid for CDs.  You'd likely find a couple of copies I forgot to throwout as well.  See I buy every piece of software I use.  But I only use the ones that work and are worth the price. If I bought every game that I thought looked great or that the demo of was fun I'd have alot of crappy broken software laying around.

Anyway since someone gets it, even if they didn't know I was saying it. I'm out. I doubt I'll ever visit again. I was linked here by a gaming site. I'm sure that site was trying to show off how great you guys were sharing information and all. What really turned out to be the case is many (hopefully not all) are a bunch of whinny self-absorbed knobs.   I guess you're a troll if you don't agree with everyone here.  What a nice hug-fest you guys got going.
#44 by Hugin
2002-07-23 18:09:00
lmccain@nber.org
Anon's argument went away for me as soon as he said "offer a good product at a fair price".  Since for many jaded warez monkeys, no product is "good enough" to deserve being purchased.  

Good enough to play all the way through and then whine about, but not good enough to buy.  Meanwhile, no price is "fair".  People don't want to part with thier hard earned 60 bucks. Nor did they want to part with thier hard earned 50 bucks, when that was the average price. Nor 40, when..you get the idea.  Nope, we want a top of the line game, of good solid length, state of the art graphics, and exceptional gameplay for...what? 25 bucks? 19.95?  10? 5?  Oh looky, here's "free"....and you know, it's not a very good game anyway....
#45 by jafd
2002-07-23 18:09:19
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What really turned out to be the case is many (hopefully not all) are a bunch of whinny self-absorbed knobs.


Takes one to know one! /boot

#46 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-23 18:20:18
Hey, here's a fun game you can't ever win: Justify software theft to a crowd with a healthy population of industry types! The challenge is endless!


OMG. The majority of firms I have worked or contracted for are so underlicensed for the majority of the applications they use. The abuse of company bandwidth and disk-space by developers, help-desk jockeys, and sys-admins is criminal compared to the general work-force in the same facility. How many professionals do you know that have every damn OS, CAD, image program, disassembler, profiler etc. etc etc from work installed at home with a valid license that they purchased themselves or was explicitly granted by the maker of that software? Then let's talk about old hardware.

Where the hell did you pull your logic from?


BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
#47 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 18:21:14
/noise --

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#48 by Ergo
2002-07-23 18:25:53
OMG. The majority of firms I have worked or contracted for are so underlicensed for the majority of the applications they use. The abuse of company bandwidth and disk-space by developers, help-desk jockeys, and sys-admins is criminal compared to the general work-force in the same facility. How many professionals do you know that have every damn OS, CAD, image program, disassembler, profiler etc. etc etc from work installed at home with a valid license that they purchased themselves or was explicitly granted by the maker of that software? Then let's talk about old hardware.


Excellent points! I now think it's ok to pirate software! Thanks!

"Brian, there's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'OOOOOOO'!"
"Peter, those are Cheerios."
-The Family Guy
#49 by MCorleone
2002-07-23 18:27:20
I doubt I'll ever visit again.

Powers Boothe, Tombstone:  "Bye."

I was linked here by a gaming site.

Hey, you clicked it.

I'm sure that site was trying to show off how great you guys were sharing information and all.

I doubt it.  Else, their mistake.

What really turned out to be the case is many (hopefully not all) are a bunch of whinny self-absorbed knobs.   I guess you're a troll if you don't agree with everyone here.  What a nice hug-fest you guys got going.


No.  You're a troll if you spout the same indefensible tripe that all previous 100+ iterations of yourself have spouted.  We're not "Whinny," either,  "Looser".

Run along now, Junior.

I beat the internet.  The end guy is hard.
#50 by Nathan McKenzie
2002-07-23 18:27:41
I remember, back in days of yore, under the gentle yoke of communism, when games were free for all, and all could enjoy the fruits of lo, the humble game maker.  A golden era it was, truly.

Of course, the only game we had was called "Stale Bread", but it was one I excelled at.  And it had no copy protection at all!  Not even SafeDisc!

Ah, such grand ruminations...


/just doing my part to banish signal and bring da noize.
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