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The pain of being a man
June 6th 2000, 06:13 CEST by Seth

Allow me to deviate from certain hot topics. I've been waiting for Diablo II for a very, very, long time now, and now rumors are floating around that the US version has gone gold, but the chances are good we (N.Americans) won't be playing it any time soon.

I guess the point of this topic is to discuss worldwide simultanious release dates, as in, do we need them? If the game is done, why not release it now? This approach baffles me, I've never resented Square for releasing a Final Fantasy title in Japan prior to the US just because I live the rough life and want to play it now. What is this strange business philosophy?

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#1 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:16:55
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Personally, I think they should release the US version as soon as it is ready to go out for duplication. People are waiting for this game especially, and because of another country, a massive amount of people aren't getting the product as soon.

I'm not trying to down other countries or anything, but surely everyone can understand. If Blizzard was in the UK, and they wanted to release it there first while the US version was still being tested, that would be fine.


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Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#2 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 06:20:03
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Dethstryk: That was pretty much my point, if the game is done here and now - which "The US version has gone gold" seems to indicate, why are US gamers being deprived? It's not about getting down on other countries, it's just another "Hollywood" business practice sinking it's filthy jaws into the gaming industry.
#3 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 06:23:14
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
hmm...the information I saw basically said it would be 2 weeks for the rest of them to finish up, barring any massive problems with a particular version. I personally don't have any real problems with it, since I've got a few other games I'll be playing for the next two weeks. Besides, I wouldn't even have known about this before now if someone hadn't told me that Shugashack had put up a blurb about it. I think it would be interesting to find out if anyone knows if Blizzard has done this in the past, though, and if the policy is one they just adopted on their own or if it's being brought to them by the company that owns them (Sierra's been using the same policy for a while now, would also be interesting to find out if Westwood does).

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#4 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 06:26:04
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#3</b> "PainKilleR-[CE]" wrote -
<QUOTE>hmm...the information I saw basically said it would be 2 weeks for the rest of them to finish up, barring any massive problems with a particular version. I personally don't have any real problems with it, since I've got a few other games I'll be playing for the next two weeks. Besides, I wouldn't even have known about this before now if someone hadn't told me that Shugashack had put up a blurb about it. I think it would be interesting to find out if anyone knows if Blizzard has done this in the past, though, and if the policy is one they just adopted on their own or if it's being brought to them by the company that owns them (Sierra's been using the same policy for a while now, would also be interesting to find out if Westwood does).

-PainKilleR-[CE] </QUOTE>

Havas Interactive (which owns Blizzard) is a company based in Europe, I believe.

Starcraft, Blizzard's most recent title - was a *monstrous* success in previously untapped markets (from US companies, anyway) like South Korea. It just seems like it is catering to the international market.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#5 by "None-1a"
2000-06-06 06:26:22
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
Odd but I really don't under stand why they would do this. The only thing baring world wide releases are language issues (which acctauly apply to very little of the PC gaming market), Release it now in all english speaking countries, and translate in the mean time. If you planed it well (ie having a translation team working on early parts of the game before the later parts are done), given the two week ramp up time translation releases could be made with in a few weeks. The only thing holding you up would be the marketing blitz that would be needed.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:28:33
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#2</b> "Seth Krieg" wrote...
<QUOTE>That was pretty much my point, if the game is done here and now - which "The US version has gone gold" seems to indicate, why are US gamers being deprived? It's not about getting down on other countries, it's just another "Hollywood" business practice sinking it's filthy jaws into the gaming industry.</QUOTE>
US version goes gold = US gamers get the game. To be fair, the other countries should get the game when their version is done as well.

But then again, I'm sure someone could say to be fair, you would wait and release it along with the other countries at the same time. Who knows? I'm not really saying anything new here, so I guess I should shut up. :)


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#7 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-06 06:30:49
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
Worlwide releases stop gray market importing and exporting of games. End of story.
#8 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:30:52
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#5</b> "None-1a" wrote...
<QUOTE>The only thing baring world wide releases are language issues (which acctauly apply to very little of the PC gaming market)</QUOTE>
Since Blizzard is an American based company, I think they should cater to their American fanbase, as it is going to be arguably the strongest and largest of the countries to buy the game.

Then, they should go making localized versions.


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#9 by "George Broussard"
2000-06-06 06:30:57
georgeb@3drealms.com
They probably do it to combat piracy.  People are less likely to pirate a game if they can go buy it.

If I was in Europe and had to wait weeks or months for a game, I'd probably turn to warez myself.  Still sucks for the US people waiting for the game.

George Broussard, 3D Realms
#10 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 06:30:59
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#6</b> "Dethstryk" wrote -
<QUOTE> so I guess I should shut up. :)

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Hehe, I was actually defending you by heading off the "you're not being fair to people of other countries" whiny posts. :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#11 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:32:09
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#7</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote...
<QUOTE>Worlwide releases stop gray market importing and exporting of games. End of story.</QUOTE>
In Russia, particularly in Moscow, you can supposedly find software black markets, where new releases are being sold for as little as five American dollars. That's what a friend of mine at a Russian publisher told me a while back, anyway.


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Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#12 by "Seemlar"
2000-06-06 06:32:41
p_anon@yahoo.com
Strange business policy?

Its all well and fine that you in the US should want it now now now.

As Dethstryk said, "People are waiting for this game especially, and because of another country, a massive amount of people aren't getting the product as soon."

How about you spare a thought for us other country people... strangely enough, a lot of us are "especially" waiting for Diablo 2 as well.

Why should we have to watch on the sidelines for months as US gamers have their fun?

One thing you should understand - <b>There is no such thing as a worldwide similtaneous release</b>

At best, its just a cutting down of the delay before us overseas people get it.

Quake 3 had a worldwide release, and Australia got it almost a month later. Daikatana allegedly had a worldwide release, yet its nowhere to be seen (whether thats a good or bad thing is debatable).


Spare us the whining about being "deprived". Be patient and wait like the rest of us.
#13 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 06:34:03
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#5</b> "None-1a" wrote...
<QUOTE>If you planed it well (ie having a translation team working on early parts of the game before the later parts are done), given the two week ramp up time translation releases could be made with in a few weeks. The only thing holding you up would be the marketing blitz that would be needed.</QUOTE>

Well, that explains the 2 weeks then ;) 2 weeks ramp-up time- 2 weeks delay on release.

Something else I just considered would be the fact that they could use the 2 weeks to get quite a bit ahead in producing the copies of the US version, so there wouldn't be any problems with not having enough to go around, and they may save some money later on if they end up with extra copies around rather than having to setup for another run of the games after they find they're low on copies. Then again, given the Korean sales of StarCraft, perhaps they should be focusing on that version, if anything shows a high expectation there for this release.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#14 by "None-1a"
2000-06-06 06:34:11
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<b>#9</b> "George Broussard" wrote...
<QUOTE>They probably do it to combat piracy. People are less likely to pirate a game if they can go buy it.

If I was in Europe and had to wait weeks or months for a game, I'd probably turn to warez myself. Still sucks for the US people waiting for the game.

George Broussard, 3D Realms </QUOTE>

Personaly I'd rather import the game the warez a copy, which has become much easyer now.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#15 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 06:35:47
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#9</b> "George Broussard" wrote -
<QUOTE>They probably do it to combat piracy. People are less likely to pirate a game if they can go buy it.

If I was in Europe and had to wait weeks or months for a game, I'd probably turn to warez myself. Still sucks for the US people waiting for the game.

George Broussard, 3D Realms </QUOTE>

Ahh. By piracy do you mean the downloading or burning type piracy? There's 4 discs in Diablo 2, that's a lot of time to download. Would English action/RPGs with insane amounts of text be that attractive to non-english speaking cultures? The prospect of downloading the Japanese version of Final Fantasy 8 (which is 4 cds also I believe) just seems erronious to me.  <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:35:58
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#12</b> "Seemlar" wrote...
<QUOTE>How about you spare a thought for us other country people... strangely enough, a lot of us are "especially" waiting for Diablo 2 as well.</QUOTE>
I did. I stated that I wouldn't have a problem if Blizzard was a company in the UK, and they released the game first over there.

<QUOTE>Why should we have to watch on the sidelines for months as US gamers have their fun?</QUOTE>
As Seth mentioned in the topic post, US gamers have to wait on games too. Not as many, considering that a large amount of the game developers/publishers are based in the US, but take Square for example. I'm a huge Square fan, and when I have to wait to play the latest of their games, it's a killer. But I understand.


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#17 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 06:37:06
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#12</b> "Seemlar" wrote -
<QUOTE>
Spare us the whining about being "deprived". Be patient and wait like the rest of us. </QUOTE>

See post #2 and #10, please.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#18 by "Naked Exposition"
2000-06-06 06:37:15
samuelbass3000@hotmail.com
I'd imagine Havas/Blizzard are trying to head off the "Harry Potter syndrome"...that is, the latest in the mindbogglingly popular series of Harry Potter novels came out in the UK at least a month in advance of the US release. Borders had gotten some kind of exclusive deal for the US edition, and were rather pissed to discover that eager fans had been buying the damn thing over Amazon.com.uk for a goodly period of time, cutting heavily into their sales. I'd imagine if Diablo II came out in the US a couple of weeks before Europe, Japan etc, people would be hitting CompExpert like flies on the proverbial feces to snap up a copy, cutting into the local licencee's (no, I can't spell) profits...

...whew.
#19 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 06:38:42
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
Speaking of Square, are there any ports of Final Fantasy Tactics to other platforms (ie PC/DC/whatever) other than PSX? I really want to play that game again, but the thought of firing up my PSX and crossing my fingers to watch the thing play on a tiny, grainy TV screen makes me want to vomit.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#20 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 06:39:12
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#15</b> "Seth Krieg" wrote...
<QUOTE>By piracy do you mean the downloading or burning type piracy? There's 4 discs in Diablo 2, that's a lot of time to download.</QUOTE>
That's a good point. Because of the large size that the warez version of the game would be, its distribution would be cut down, and I'm sure it would give plenty of time for the international versions of the game to be released.

Sure, some people have some big pipelines they can push this stuff through, but the average joe doesn't, and I'm willing to bet especially in other countries than the US.


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Damage Gaming
#21 by "None-1a"
2000-06-06 06:41:15
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<b>#19</b> "PainKilleR-[CE]" wrote...
<QUOTE>Speaking of Square, are there any ports of Final Fantasy Tactics to other platforms (ie PC/DC/whatever) other than PSX? I really want to play that game again, but the thought of firing up my PSX and crossing my fingers to watch the thing play on a tiny, grainy TV screen makes me want to vomit.

-PainKilleR-[CE] </QUOTE>

You could allways cross your finger and boot up Bleem (you might want to cross a few more fingers then normal). Or just buy a TV input device for you PC to play it. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#22 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 06:45:44
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#21</b> "None-1a" wrote...
<QUOTE>You could allways cross your finger and boot up Bleem (you might want to cross a few more fingers then normal). Or just buy a TV input device for you PC to play it. </QUOTE>

hmm...maybe I'll wait and see if they get a DC Bleempack that covers it, since I've already got a box that lets me play DC on my monitor (and it looks sweet at 640x480 ;)

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#23 by "Rambar"
2000-06-06 06:57:42
Blah the rumor its just that..rumor its pure
bullshit.
  
Blizzard has said its working on localization of the games to numerous languages but I've never seen them wait for that to finish before releasing a game.  I'd like to point out, as a stress tester, that it's not ready yet.  The beta servers still haven't gotten all that stable tough they've gotten better.  They also haven't even brought the Asia or Europe servers online.  How are they going to do a worldwide similtaneous release when they only have servers in the US?

It's pretty easy to predict how Blizzard will do this.  They'll announce the stress test is over.  Then maybe a week later they'll tell us its gold.  That'll be the English versions not the localized ones.  Then if you want info on the localized version well..you'll never hear it in the US.  Then the mac version comes out about 10 years after the game is no longer fun.

P.S. It's been confimered that the game has been crammed onto 3 CDs now.
#24 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 07:04:01
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#23</b> "Rambar" wrote...
<QUOTE>P.S. It's been confimered that the game has been crammed onto 3 CDs now. </QUOTE>

I only wish they had really considered a simultaneous release on DVD, especially since even the off-the-shelf/out-of-box computers are coming with DVD drives more often than not now. The only real reason I have a CD-ROM drive in this computer (I don't in my other computer, it only has a 2x DVD-ROM drive) is because I want to be able to have 2 CDs in my computer at once (plus I sometimes leave DVDs in the DVD drive for long periods of time). Plus, it's a multi-beam CD-ROM drive, which has some advantages over my variable speed DVD-ROM drive.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#25 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-06 07:13:56
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
By the way, they told me at E3 they're shipping out 1.5 million copies worldwide... yow.
#26 by "Jeremy"
2000-06-06 07:17:17
jnthornh@eos.ncsu.edu
In the case of Square, they seemingly do <I>no</I> concurrent production for the non-Japanese versions of their games (at least based on the huge wait we get here in the U.S.)  The release dates aren't even in the same ballpark, and obviously they are targeting their domestic market far more heavily than the international market.

If the difference in completion was a matter of months, then I'd say go ahead and release what's done, and make the other markets wait.

But for Diablo II, you're whining over what... somebody said a couple of weeks?

Not a big deal.  Just keep waiting, 2 weeks won't kill ya.

Jeremy<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#27 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-06 07:18:44
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
Square had like 3 million preorders for Final Fantasy VIII in Japan alone. I can understand why they'd do their version first; that's an insane number of sales. US/Europe probably equals it.
#28 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-06-06 07:20:09
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#26</b> "Jeremy" wrote -
<QUOTE>
Not a big deal. Just keep waiting, 2 weeks won't kill ya.
</QUOTE>

No, waiting won't kill me. It just seems like salt in the wounds after all this time.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 07:41:19
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#27</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote...
<QUOTE>Square had like 3 million preorders for Final Fantasy VIII in Japan alone. I can understand why they'd do their version first; that's an insane number of sales. US/Europe probably equals it. </QUOTE>

Plus, does anyone have the figures on the original dev time for say FF7 or FF8 in the Japanese versions vs. the amount of time spent translating the text as well as modifying the games themselves for the non-Japanese versions? Not to mention the overhaul they did when they brought FF7 to the PC, redoing most of the graphics to take advantage of the better resolution (I'm not sure if they did that for FF8 or not, I took a look at the PSX version and puked at the combination of bad graphics and poor framerates and then watched the PC demo do it's best to crash my system). Of course, who knows for sure if they could've gotten the game(s) out at nearly the same time worldwide if they had done the translations during the game.

As far as Diablo2 goes, if the rumours are true, it's still a minor issue, unless it would cause a major delay in the game's release (2 weeks, or even as long as a month, doesn't really seem like a major delay to me, especially since I've been waiting for TF2 how long now? ;).

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#30 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-06-06 08:00:35
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
I've been part of the stress test for Diablo2 and I must tell you guys that us testers put massive stress on the servers.  They've been down a lot!  I'm only a level 3 Barbarian, I can never get on a server!  I can't see how they would go with the state it's in now, unless they are not giving us newer code as they fix it.

It's a fun little game, but not my style.  I think Original Diablo fans are going to love it.  

As far as distribution in other countries, I think it also has to do with the many different laws, import taxes, crap like that, that publishers have to deal with.  They may have to alter a package for shipment into the UK.  I know with Zaero, we had to work with UbiSoft in order to get it distributed in the UK, they did their own packaging, and it delayed it's release over there for about a month.

George Broussard said Warez! Damn, those game developers know all about it!  The jig is up!  ;)
#31 by "scud"
2000-06-06 08:22:29
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
Someone mentioned the psx coupled with crappy graphics. And i'm wondering. Does anyone know of something that'll let you play your PSX on a normal computer monitor? I know long ago in a galaxy far away I was able to play either my GENESIS on a really old computer monitor. And damn was it nice to be able to actually <i>read</i> the text. I don't think it'd be that hard but I've never seen anything.

Oh and btw, about psx graphics. I've played both Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2, both for many, many hours. And I've also played a ton of racing games for the PC. And I still have yet to see <i>any</i> PC racing game that comes close to GT's look and feel. None what so ever. I mean anyone here can try to name a good racing game on the PC that lets you do as much as GT2 does. I doubt you'll be able to come up with any, so the PSX isn't home to totally shitty graphics.

I only pray that one day the guys at Polphony decided to go and <b>make</b> a racer for the PC.

--Scud<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#32 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-06-06 08:49:46
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<quote>Oh and btw, about psx graphics. I've played both Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2, both for many, many hours. And I've also played a ton of racing games for the PC. And I still have yet to see any PC racing game that comes close to GT's look and feel. </quote>
Gran Turismo is SO incredibly overrated. It's a good game, and it's career mode rocks, but c'mon.....

In pure looks, I'd argue there's nothing on ANY system that matches the last two Need for Speed games. Porsche Unleashed blows GT2 out of the water, especially if you can run it at 1024x768 with full detail (it's amazing looking). I like the car modeling in it as well. It ain't realistic, but neither is GT (where front-wheel drive cars handle identically to rear-wheel drive cars... anyone who's driven both at the limit know that you have to drive them completely differently). Both career modes in the last two Need for Speed games were excellent, though not the equal of GT.

The best hybrid action/sim, in terms of vehicle phsyics, for the PC is Viper Racing, which sold like three copies and disappeared shortly after release. The graphics ain't great, but man is it fun. And it has a career mode like GT, though you're stuck with Vipers.

But the best physics, car and particularly damage modeling on the PC, one that takes more advantage of its superior number crunching than any other game is... Carmageddon and its sequel. Even the Papyrus guys are in awe of it, and they know a bit about physics. It's kinda overshadowed as a driving game due to the violence factor, but man... if they made it more of a pure race game and gave it a better shell, it'd be a hoot.
#33 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-06-06 10:06:18
piramida@usa.net http://www.agsm.net
<b>#11</b> "Dethstryk" wrote...
<QUOTE>In Russia, particularly in Moscow, you can supposedly find software black markets, where new releases are being sold for as little as five American dollars. That's what a friend of mine at a Russian publisher told me a while back, anyway.
</QUOTE>

2$ per CD with either 5-10 rips or one full game. Nevertheless, they are translated by lame 12-year olds (it seems) and are totally unplayable, usually they don't even start. If they do, you can't understand a thing, games are messed up badly. It's hard to find good non-translated games on the black market nowadays.

But, the situation in Russia gets better as there are some translation houses that license the game and do professional translation, releasing the game two-three weeks after it's released in USA. The only purpose of using black market releases is to get the game one week before everyone else sees it. I used to go there, not anymore - I prefer originals over translated versions, and the only way to get originals in Russia is to order them across the ocean :( Living outside of US sucks sometimes.

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#34 by "Gestalt"
2000-06-06 11:44:06
john@eurogamer.net http://www.eurogamer.net
Seth Krieg (#2) - "It's not about getting down on other countries, it's just another "Hollywood" business practice sinking it's filthy jaws into the gaming industry."

Hardly.  Hollywood business practice is to release a movie in the USA and then wait a month or two before letting anybody else see it.  Often the movie is available to buy on DVD from the USA about the same time it is appearing in cinemas for the first time in the UK.  For example, Galaxy Quest was still in the cinemas over here when my DVD copy arrived from America.


George Broussard (#9) - "If I was in Europe and had to wait weeks or months for a game, I'd probably turn to warez myself."

I hope for your sake that Duke Forever comes out worldwide simultaneously after you've said that.  ;-)

Seriously though, Starsiege Tribes was a great example of this.  The game was out in the USA for four or five months before it reached the UK, because the publisher didn't think there was enough of a market in the UK for a multiplayer only title. End result?  Everybody in the UK who really wanted the game either imported it from the USA or warez'd it.

So of course when the game was finally released over here (as part of a double pack with Starsiege) it probably flopped, as all the hardcore gamers had already got a copy.  Unfortunately, that probably just convinced the publisher that their initial belief had been correct, and that there wasn't a market for multiplayer only titles in the UK yet, when the truth was that there was a huge market, but by delaying the game's release for months they had lost it all.

The really stupid thing about delays in releasing games over here is that we speak (more or less) the same language as America. Why do we have to wait for localised versions of games with French and German subtitles or what-not?  Presumably because the publishers think that it's easier for Europeans to import the game from the UK then, instead of waiting for their own badly dubbed / subtitled version?

Anyway, read this article about release dates and pricing differences between the UK and US -

http://www.eurogamer.net/features.php3?name=release
#35 by "Bad_CRC"
2000-06-06 12:15:10
Dunno about that.   Once when I was in Finland, the movie "twins" was out in theatres there before anybody in the US had even heard of it.
 
 
As far as waiting for the world before releasing it, who cares?   let them release when they want to.  you've waited this long...
 
anything to keep the damn foreigners from whining.  :)
 


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#36 by "Ellusion"
2000-06-06 12:58:34
Ellusion@planetquake.com http://www.planetquake.com/lotus
For a year I read about Planescape: Torment on gaming sites, getting more and more eager to get it as each day passed by. And then it suddenly came out (August '99 ?) - I read every review and info I could and got more and more ready for it. And the days/weeks/months passed by... until it became the "best RPG of 1999" and whatnot.

Then 6 months later, in february 2000, I was finally able to purchase it here in Norway. 6 fricking months! And the game I have is identical to what you US blokes have - it's all in english, the game, the manual, everything. Not a single bit of it has changed. My only guess is that it took 6 months for the beuracracy to make sure it didn't need any changes...

Well, screw the whole thing. Since that "incident", I now order all my games directly from the US. Or rather, since the tax/shipping etc costs _5_ times the actual cost of the game, I have a couple US friends who hop down to the nearest gamestore, buy the game for me the day it hits the US stores, wrap it up in plain paper and fedex it here (not longer sold directly to me from a store, it's fully passing all tax/fees).

End result? I pay 50% of what I would for the game here in Norway (that's including the fedex shipping fee), I get the game 4-5 days after it's US release, delivered to my doorstep, I dont have to wait for non-US patches, and I screw over the beuracracy.

It's not the publishers fault, it's all the moronic laws when it comes to fitting something for a worldwide sale. That blizzard wants to coordinate the release of D2 is commendable.

Cheers,
Ellusion
#37 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-06-06 13:21:09
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net/
<b>#36</b> "Ellusion" wrote...
<QUOTE>
It's not the publishers fault, it's all the moronic laws when it comes to fitting something for a worldwide sale. </QUOTE>

I'd say, this whole idea of having different countries is pretty idiotic. Come on, it's the Internet era, or what?

Break the borders, dismiss politicians, elect one government of the most respected and educated people... Oh wait, there are personal interests of a group of people that would not like this to happen and who seem to be responsible for how this planet is run. Time for some alien civilization to knock in and reorganize our little greeen Earth...

The way our planet has been run so far makes little sense now that we have means to travel around the globe in one day and can communicate across the world in a mere seconds... What good are borders now? Only to feed some politicians and preserve country-specific laws... Call me idealist but it never made sense to me. I think what's happening in Europe is the beggining of a very good thing.
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#38 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-06-06 13:46:30
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
<b>#34</b> "Gestalt" wrote...
<QUOTE>Hardly. Hollywood business practice is to release a movie in the USA and then wait a month or two before letting anybody else see it. Often the movie is available to buy on DVD from the USA about the same time it is appearing in cinemas for the first time in the UK. For example, Galaxy Quest was still in the cinemas over here when my DVD copy arrived from America. </QUOTE>

we get DVD's here in Australia as early as a few months before the movie hit's the cinemas :P<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#39 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-06-06 13:51:16
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
<b>#37</b> "PiRaMidA" wrote...
<QUOTE>I'd say, this whole idea of having different countries is pretty idiotic. Come on, it's the Internet era, or what? </QUOTE>

well the only thing that will bring it together is corporations or war. I don't want war and corporation control is less than appealing so chill :P<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#40 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-06-06 14:02:42
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net/
<b>#39</b> "RahvinTaka" wrote...
<QUOTE>well the only thing that will bring it together is corporations or war. I don't want war and corporation control is less than appealing so chill :P</QUOTE>

:) I really do think that war is out of question now, as the only war possible now is a nuclear strike + strike back (I mean, between grand nations). I'm assuming military has enough brain to understand the consequences and not start one.
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#41 by "Dethstryk"
2000-06-06 14:06:51
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#40</b> "PiRaMidA" wrote...
<QUOTE>I really do think that war is out of question now, as the only war possible now is a nuclear strike + strike back (I mean, between grand nations). I'm assuming military has enough brain to understand the consequences and not start one.</QUOTE>
Unless you're China. Then you slyly threaten America with a missile strike against its west coast if they intervene in the whole Taiwan bullshit that's been going on.


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Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#42 by "Happy cow"
2000-06-06 14:59:01
happycow30@hotmail.com http://geekshop.8m.com
I feel I should point out I thought from the title of this topic you would be talking about something else.  

But  PrRaMidA writes # 37
<quote>Time for some alien civilization to knock in and reorganize our little greeen Earth... </quote>
Keep in mind the cows are waiting. Soon everything will be much better. Soon, oh yes..... Mha ha ha ha ha.
I feel I should point out there is nothing at all about this topic on my new web page <a href="http://geekshop.8m.com">GEEK SHOP</a>(it's the page I write during my coffee breaks). But the FAQ amusing.
Happy Cow (Quote Chuckel Heston in "the planet of the cows".... "get your filthy hoofs off me you damn Happy cow)
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#43 by "Diseased"
2000-06-06 15:16:22
diseasedanimal@yahoo.com
#30 "George Broussard said Warez! Damn, those game developers know all about it! The jig is up!"

Laughed out loud at that one, must have gotten myself some stares from coworkers.  :)

I think the best form of anti-piracy is ot make your game HUGE (look at how much Baldur's Gate was pirated) so that getting some stripped down warez version would be basically pointless (i.e. no real content).
#44 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-06 15:59:32
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
[32] Steve Bauman
<quote>The best hybrid action/sim, in terms of vehicle phsyics, for the PC is Viper Racing, which sold like three copies and disappeared shortly after release. The graphics ain't great, but man is it fun. And it has a career mode like GT, though you're stuck with Vipers. </quote>

I think that just needed to be repeated, though I thought the graphics were pretty good, at least decent. I don't often get into racing sims, but throw Viper racing up with a force feedback wheel and life is good. Hell, that game had better force feedback support than the games that came with the wheel. As far as GT/GT2, I just have to keep laughing, because anyone that thinks the PSX graphics are good missed out on something (maybe the DC?). I will admit, though, that when a game is made to show off the PSX' graphics capabilities it really does shine. Later PSX titles started really stretching it though, FF8 and Tekken3 brought the thing to it's knees.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#45 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-06-06 18:47:36
ghostinmyshell@worldnet.att.net http://www.freespeech.org/on
Scud there was a device for the psx that hooks it up to your standard VGA monitor but it totatlly sucked ass. You couldnt fix brightness or colors enough for a good enough picture. The colors would bleed its just ewww for the price it was selling for at $40...

Your better off getting a S-Video cable. Your game will look sharp as hell and look nice :-)

As a Diablo II Stress Tester, this game still has issues that need to be addressed, I hope this gone gold stuff is nothing but hype to generate site hits.

I want my games on DVD too, down with multi-disk games!
#46 by "RandoM"
2000-06-06 18:56:15
random1@speakeasy.org http://www.clan51.com
1.  Warezing diablo2 isn't going to do you much good without a valid "key".  Sure, there'll be a crack/key escalation war between blizzard and the crackers, but don't expect to be able to warez the full version of d2 the day it is released AND be able to play on d2 servers... especially as people overseas won't even have d2 servers in the beginning, except for a couple regions.

1.5  Yes, the servers have been hammered during the stresstest.  Don't assume that there will be only 3 servers at release, though.  The last stresstest I was in did the same thing, they used far fewer servers during the test than they had for the release, to purposely inflate the load and STRESS TEST the server(s).

2.  The last couple posts about war make a very large assumption, that any conflict will start/end with nukes.  Don't bet on it.  Do you really think we'd nuke our own soil just to remove Chinese armor battalions?  Using nukes guarantees that both sides lose... in an age dominated by economics, the major powers don't fight "losing" wars.  I expect the next major war to be fought with conventional weapons, just like the last one.  Sure, if some dictator of a 3rd rate country gets his hands on a nuke or two and uses them, he'd probably get the same in return, but only because it was known that it would be a limited engagement.  Maybe I'm just being optimistic?  OTH, assuming that manhattan will end up a radioactive wasteland overnight doesn't do me any good. :-)
#47 by "Rantage"
2000-06-06 19:15:25
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#40</b> "PiRaMidA" wrote...
<QUOTE>I really do think that war is out of question now, as the only war possible now is a nuclear strike + strike back (I mean, between grand nations). I'm assuming military has enough brain to understand the consequences and not start one. </QUOTE>

Unfortunately, in the United States' case the military doesn't call the shots: the civilian leadership does.  It is the civilian leadership which dictates the goals and rules of engagement for the military operations.

This is <B>one</B> of the reasons why you can have seemingly-perfect conflicts such as Desert Storm, or fiascos such as Kosovo, Haiti and Somalia.  Obviously the military can be/was/will be responsible for plenty of blunders, but when efficiency is sacrified for political goals the final cost tends to be mighty steep.

I don't advocate allowing the military to have total control over when and how the U.S. goes to war.  Although any serviceman (or servicewoman) worth their salt fears and hates the prospect of conflict, I fear that the "Vietnam generation" of military leaders who swore never to repeat that mess are dwindling and being replaced by officers from the "yessir yessir three bags full sir" George Custer mold.  Today's decisionmakers lead from the rear, after all....no more charging up the hill on the white stallion while leading the men.

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#48 by "Rantage"
2000-06-06 19:30:59
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#41</b> "Dethstryk" wrote...
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Unless you're China. Then you slyly threaten America with a missile strike against its west coast if they intervene in the whole Taiwan bullshit that's been going on.
</QUOTE>

Aha, but here's the beauty of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction, a wonderful philosophy from the Cold War): you launch a strike guaranteed to wipe me out and I'll do the same; since we're both destroyed and thus both lose, what's the point of attacking?

Unfortunately for China, they could <I>only</I> hit the West coast of North America, while the United States could hit any portion of the PRC.  While the initial damage and prevailing winds would make things quite nasty for the U.S., there is no "Mutual" in this "Assured Destruction."

Of course, there are other ways of manipulating the United States....and you don't even have to read/view "The Manchurian Candidate" to think of a few.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#49 by "Chris (kanaeda)"
2000-06-06 19:37:09
kanaeda@planetquake.com http://www.freshteam.co.uk
I'm pretty sure I can tell you a good part of the reason they are holding back on the release.

I've been playing the <i>Stress Test</i> beta and I'll be damned if the new battle.net structure is ready to handle the massive load that a release will create. I don't have any inside knowledge on how Blizzard is handling the hardware/software setup for the new network, but I personally would not feel safe relying on what I've experienced in the test so far. The servers still go up and down quite often, which is a good indication that they are continuing to work on it improving and perfecting their new client/server style battle.bet.
#50 by "Greg"
2000-06-06 19:37:43
<B>#46,</B> RandoM wrote:

<QUOTE>1. Warezing diablo2 isn't going to do you much good without a valid "key". Sure, there'll be a crack/key escalation war between blizzard and the crackers, but don't expect to be able to warez the full version of d2 the day it is released AND be able to play on d2 servers... especially as people overseas won't even have d2 servers in the beginning, except for a couple regions.</QUOTE>

All well and good if you really want to play it online, but I loved playing Diablo offline. I would expect that Diablo 2 plays exactly the same way. So as long as you had a key you could play, even if not on the Battle.net servers.

Greg
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