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Mac vs. PC
July 15th 2002, 23:21 CEST by LoneStar

Personally, being a huge gaming fan I see no need in owning a Mac. More games are supported for the PC, probably 50% more, than the Mac....and when they do come out it is usually several months after the PC version. I cannot think of one program that is out for the Mac that is not out for the PC, or a close copy of it. You can't say the same for the Mac, many programs are out for the PC that aren't for the Mac. There just isn't a reason to own a Mac.
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#1 by Greg
2002-07-15 23:22:45
Cocoa is nice.

Oh no! Who driving the car?? It's a bear! Aieeeee!
#2 by Ergo
2002-07-15 23:23:50
I like donuts.

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"Peter, those are Cheerios."
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#3 by Neale
2002-07-15 23:30:21
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
Wheelbarrow.

signatures are, as I've stated, for perverts
#4 by ProStyle
2002-07-15 23:36:20
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
Why must there always be some reason for things?
#5 by Your Friend
2002-07-15 23:37:23
All of a sudden my trolling doesn't seem so bad, does it?

How did this get voted in?
#6 by Greg
2002-07-15 23:38:58
Do you know what Cocoa is? If not, here is a nice can of STFU!

Who is driving?! Oh my god, bear is driving! How can that be?
#7 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-15 23:40:16
The Mac displays better fleshtones when surfing the web.

Any questions?
#8 by Leslie Nassar
2002-07-15 23:41:40
http://departmentofinternets.com
I cannot think of one program that is out for the Mac that is not out for the PC, or a close copy of it.

Final Cut Pro.  KTHX 4 PLAYING.

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#9 by jjohnsen
2002-07-15 23:42:19
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Yeah, I have a question.  Why don't you register so we know who to attribute these amazing insights to.

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#10 by jjohnsen
2002-07-15 23:43:33
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The macs dvd-authoring program is the simplest one to use out of the three-or-four I have tried out.  IF it was available for a pc I would get it in a heartbeat.

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#11 by jjohnsen
2002-07-15 23:44:37
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More games are supported for the PC, probably 50% more


Bold added by me.

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#12 by jjohnsen
2002-07-15 23:49:40
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And I've added my own topic just so I'm not one of those people that complains about the quality of topics, while never submitting one.  In regards to #0, what is the question?  What do you want us to discuss?  How you feel about macs?  I don't think you like them.

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#13 by Fallon
2002-07-15 23:50:05
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PCs don't come in purple.

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#14 by crash
2002-07-15 23:54:17
macs are somewhat superior to PCs in a couple of respects. one that i'm aware of is that since macs are... somewhat hostile to end-user modifications, when you start work at a new place and see a G4 sittin under the desk, you can be 95%+ sure you know what's inside, because they all tend to be the same. also, macs are good for, well, non-technical people like artists and layout designers and whatnot. folks like that you're payin for their design and graphics skills, not how well they can reboot or swap out hardware. you want to be able to check their portfolio, sit 'em down at a desk, and have 'em be as productive as possible in the shortest amount of time. macs are real good at that, cos of the "standardization" they tend to have, and whatnot. plus, there's the whole "art studio entrenchment" thing, but that's another issue.

if i were runnin a design studio or whatever, as PC-centric as i am, i would buy macs for everybody that wanted one and not bat an eye. the biggest problem with a mixed shop, that i've found, is the problems inherent in getting everyone to share and access the same server resources. hire a good sysadmin, and it largely becomes a non-issue.

*shrug*

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#15 by Battle-Dwarf
2002-07-15 23:55:51
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Was introduced to an Apple computer

But weaned, educated, frustrated, laughed with, startled by, challenged, owned, blowned up, shot at by a PC.

Love my PC culture.  :)



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#16 by bago
2002-07-16 00:03:45
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
no disk drive to hump!

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#17 by Leslie Nassar
2002-07-16 00:11:22
http://departmentofinternets.com
I cannot think of one program that is out for the Mac that is not out for the PC, or a close copy of it

Oh yeah, iTunes and Microsoft Entourage.

and the doctor's praying to Buddha, "send me to another town!"
#18 by Darkseid-D
2002-07-16 00:13:09
rogerboal@hotmail.com
2% of the market vs 98% of the market.


Geeeeeee, the mathematics really stack up there *yawn*


end of topic.




Ds

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#19 by "Anonymous"
2002-07-16 00:16:11
I cannot think of one program that is out for the Mac that is not out for the PC, or a close copy of it


Escape Velocity Nova is a nice and addictive game that is Mac exclusive. So was the Marathon series back in the day. And as far as I remember font handling used to be a nightmare on the PC side. Even though there is/was an Adobe Type Manager on both plattforms (not OSX though) the PC Version most definitely was not nearly as good.
#20 by Matt Davis
2002-07-16 00:17:25
http://looroll.com
Both Macs and PC's have their place in this world, why does one have to be better than the other?

Why don't we have a Windows v Linux discussion, or a McD's v BK, or Nvidia v ATI.

I own both macs and PC's, I like them all for their different reasons.

I cannot think of one program that is out for the Mac that is not out for the PC, or a close copy of it


iTunes, iDVD and iPhoto have nothing even remotely close to them on the PC, nothing that is so easy to use that gives fantastic results.

However I wouldn't play games on my mac, it's pretty pointless in most cases, which is one of the main reasons I have a PC.

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#21 by Shadarr
2002-07-16 00:18:16
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Macs are useless for gaming.  It's like Linux, you're limitted to ports of games that are already popular on the PC, and usually a year or so later.  And the biggest thing: there's no discount bin.  When I was shopping for Civ 3 the other day, there was a copy of Alpha Centauri (not including Alien Crossfire) for the Mac for $60.  When you get a game several years after launch, the price should be roughly as much as it cost to package and ship to the store.

My point:  who on the Crap is going to play the part of the pro-Mac zealot?  We're all overly into games, which means a Mac would be a total non-starter.
#22 by Matthew Gallant
2002-07-16 00:18:58
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Macs will not have Duke Nukem Forever.

Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$279,000,000.
#23 by "S"
2002-07-16 00:21:59
2% of the market vs 98% of the market.


Geeeeeee, so market share is the deciding factor for the quality of a product? Go Britney! Over here in Austria we have a newspaper called "Kronen Zeitung". It has a really big market share. I remember reading , that per capita it is the most read newspaper in the world. Does that make other papers obsolete? According to your logic that seems to be so. I disagree.
#24 by jafd
2002-07-16 00:22:38
Mac vs. PC? Isn't that like, condom vs. femidom?

#25 by crash
2002-07-16 00:25:15
Shadarr:

My point:  who on the Crap is going to play the part of the pro-Mac zealot?  We're all overly into games, which means a Mac would be a total non-starter.

imo: it's not an either/or decision. right tool for the right job. buying/using a PC doesn't mean you're prohibited from buying/using a Mac. PCs do more things that i need to do, so i use PCs primarily. if i had artistic talent, i'd more than likely be busting out a Wacom and a G4. just depends what you want/need to do with it.

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#26 by Greg
2002-07-16 00:27:21
It is nice when you have that dual setup, and a game is available and cross-platform network compatible. UT, Quake 3, and Diablo 2 come to mind..

Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?
#27 by chris
2002-07-16 00:28:55
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
mac hardware is nice, and photoshop's a bit better on the mac than it is on the PC... nothing substantial tho.

Main problem is that mac hardware is way too goddamn expensive for the fairly minimal benefits it has. Yeh, a dual-1ghz G4 is going to perform very, very well in photoshop. Possibly better than any current PC out there... but it's also going to run you two grand more than a near-comparable PC.

I'll take .001 seconds added on to my gaussian blur in exchange for two grand.

-chris
#28 by Shadarr
2002-07-16 00:32:19
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Those of you who can afford to own a Mac and a game-capable PC, I hate you for reasons entirely unrelated to OS zealotry.
#29 by Hugin
2002-07-16 00:34:01
lmccain@nber.org
If you aren't a gamer, if you're one of the millions of people who needs a PC to do word processing and spreadsheets and web surfing and email, there's no meaningful difference between them at all.

And Apple makes spectacular , best in class software for low to upper mid level multimedia content creation.
#30 by Max
2002-07-16 00:51:43
http://massivebraincase.org/
I like grapes.

Hey, did you know you have stretch marks in the corners of your mouth? Odd...
#31 by Bailey
2002-07-16 00:56:16
Mac Exclusive Games: By definition, either A) created by mac-fanatic companies in an attempt to spite the PC crowd, or B) too crappy for any PC publisher to pick up. And that's saying a fair bit.

As for the macs themselves, I hear those multimedia types with bad beards and suspenders grok them.

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#32 by deadlock
2002-07-16 01:02:49
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Just for the record, none of the apps that were traditionally associated with the Mac are actually developed on the Mac anymore. Photoshop, Quark, GoLive - development of all of these apps have been moved to the PC and are ported to the Mac afterwards.

The notion that the Mac is a better platform for graphic design work is just that: a notion. If you're going to call a spade a spade, you would have to argue that the PC is better by a smidge, given that most PC mouses have at least three buttons these days, whereas the standard Mac mouse still has just one. Sounds trivial, but being able to access a context-sensitive menu with a simple click of a mouse button is a major plus.

At a fundamental level, the only real difference between a 'PC' and a Mac (they are both Personal Computers </obvious>) is the operating system. OK, the hardware is different, the price is generally different and so on, but functionally, they are the same. If I sat you down at a machine running Linux, would you be able to tell what architecture it was on ? Without sniffing around the libraries etc. ?

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#33 by Your Friend
2002-07-16 01:18:59
The X vs Y platform debate was lame when it was dealing with C64s vs Apple IIs.  It is even lamer now.

If you really feel the need to defend your purchases by slagging some other person's choice of a platform, those penis pills that can add up to 33% to your size are probably for you, little dick (speaking generally here, to no one in specific).
#34 by Shadarr
2002-07-16 01:28:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Can OS zealotry really be compared to dick-measuring?  I would think that's more in line with bragging about hardware specs.  And even then, it's a weak analogy.
#35 by Your Friend
2002-07-16 01:36:09
I'm not directly comparing OS zealotry with dick measuring.   However, other than trolling (which can't be everyone, a troll-only community isn't sustainable), general insecurity with their own decisions (including OS purchases) is the only reason I see why someone would spend time on an OS advocacy tip, yelling about how some OS sucks, and this other OS (that they use) is much better.  Why insecure?  Could be lots of things, including having a tiny penis.
#36 by InsideWhat'sLeft Behind
2002-07-16 01:36:11
I hope (and think) Apple will die in 5-10 years so their psychological (or maybe Apple gives them money to stay exclusive?) hold on the recording industry will disappear so the developers realise that the PC is a superior development platform for audio production. Thankfully some have already realised it and some quality software has been released...Steinberg Nuendo; Cakewalk SONAR which is very underrated, probably because it has the "Cakewalk" name associated with it, no one cares that it's totally rewritten; Emagic Logic Audio, though as some might know, Apple just bought Emagic and scrapped development and support for the PC, leaving about 70,000 (25%) registered users in the dust.

Macintoshes? Well, if people want to play around with one, sure then let them. Just don't fucking talk to me about "MY MAAAAAAAC!" and how good it is compared to a high-end PC I've assembled, because I don't want to hear it. It stopped being hilarious 10 years ago.

Also, please don't bring up any CISC vs. RISC design discussion (ManiMacs always do) because it is irrelevant. Neither the Motorola PowerPC whatever nor ANY modern x86/IA64 processor can be considered either CISC nor RISC; rather, they are amalgams of the two instruction designs.

That said, MacOS X is at least almost decent compared to previous MacOSes. I give them that. Of course, thank UNIX/BSD for that.

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#37 by Luke "Theseus314" Nockles
2002-07-16 01:37:00
lukenockles@hotmail.com
It's always about the dick measuring.
#38 by crash
2002-07-16 01:39:17
deadlock:

The notion that the Mac is a better platform for graphic design work is just that: a notion. If you're going to call a spade a spade, you would have to argue that the PC is better by a smidge, given that most PC mouses have at least three buttons these days, whereas the standard Mac mouse still has just one. Sounds trivial, but being able to access a context-sensitive menu with a simple click of a mouse button is a major plus.

tangent: if you hire a graphic designer that prefers to work with a mouse over a Wacom, fire them immediately. and as for better/worse for gfx design, that's largely irrelevant. the word used was "entrenched." take a look at most design houses, and graphics-art schools, and the layout/art staff of publishing houses. tell me what they got under the desk. smart money says mac.

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#39 by Shadarr
2002-07-16 01:47:51
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Anyone who hasn't voted on the topics in the submission bin, please do so now.  This one was stillborn.
#40 by EricFate
2002-07-16 01:53:21
As soon as Pro Tools is no longer the golden child of audio engineering, I can see the Mac finally disappearing.  But I can't touch the versatility and power of that platform with anything on the PC side.  Hobbiests still play with SoundForge and Acid, but Steinberg stuff has a dreadful interface, and I Cakewalk products make me want to vomit.
#41 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-16 01:55:52
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We have a new champion.

Worst.  Topic.  Ever.

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#42 by EricFate
2002-07-16 01:57:50
Ya think?
#43 by Ergo
2002-07-16 01:59:20
Just to let you all know--

It appears that I was the one to cast the killing vote on Flamey's whacko conspiracy topic. You are welcome.

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#44 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-16 02:03:05
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EricFate
Ya think?

Only occasionally ... I don't want to overload the circuit breakers.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#45 by Bailey
2002-07-16 02:05:52
Yay.

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#46 by LPMiller
2002-07-16 02:08:18
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
1)They are computers, they plug in. Beyond that, who the fuck cares.

2) Considering Duke3d was on a Mac, I dunno that I'd make any claim to DNF.

3)IWLB, considering you don't seem to like much of what you put on your PC, I dunno that you really are qualified to talk on the subject.

4)Shareware games on the mac are far superior to shareware on the PC, and have been for years. As to the supposed imbalance - lets keep in mind, those games ported to the Mac are usually the good ones. Hope you enjoy being testers for the Mac community. The whole point of Brian Hooks company is to make games with the mac shareware philosphy in mind - simple, yet fun. He wants to bring one thing to the PC that mac's have had in their games for a long time - innovation and heart.

I have never understood platform loyalty. Because some dink has managed to figure out how to defrag his 95 box, he thinks PC's RO0L! Because some artsy dork doesn't understand enough to back up his files, he thinks MACS RO0L! Because some genetic imbred geek with no hope of reproduction took the 12 hours to install Linux without killing anyone, he thinks LINUX RO0LS!!

Frankly none of them are good enough yet. But they all make each other better, so I don't see the fuss.

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#47 by EricFate
2002-07-16 02:08:50
Could be worse.  It could have been a Linux vs Windows topic.  Or chalk vs pudding.
#48 by LPMiller
2002-07-16 02:09:08
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EricFate is the New God.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#49 by EricFate
2002-07-16 02:10:56
But I can't prove that I exist.
#50 by AnalFissure
2002-07-16 02:11:40
Chalk RO0LS!
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