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See Me, Hear Me, Kill Me, Buy Me
June 4th 2000, 01:44 CEST by andy

Interscope Records has released a level for Quake III Arena called "Chronic". The level features all-new textures and comes complete with two new deathmatch bots, white-trash rapper Eminem and black-trash producer Dr Dre.



The package was created by Fullerene Productions and is intended to promote Eminem's new album, "The Marshall Mathers LP". Eminem was discovered by Dr Dre, so you see it all makes sense.

This isn't the first time a Quake level has been released to promote an unrelated product. Sony gave us a rather good single player level for the original game, based on the movie Anaconda. (The download page on Sony's site no longer exists, but you could always try this link.)

So what's going on here? Are we just getting some good add-on levels for free, or are the marketing weasels exploiting us like cheap gaming whores?

Are you more likely to see a film because you played a Quake level based on it? Would you buy an album because you've deathmatched against a bot lookalike of the artist?

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#1 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 01:45:34
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
Please God let me be first JUST this once.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#2 by "Happy cow"
2000-06-04 01:46:04
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
first

Happy Cow <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#3 by "Happy cow"
2000-06-04 01:46:35
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
dang, second

Happy cow<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#4 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 01:47:52
Jesus! I just posted this like TEN seconds ago!
#5 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-06-04 01:49:53
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
And already the "first post!" moronathon is underway...
#6 by "RzE"
2000-06-04 01:53:27
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
I see nothing bad about this PR stuff now, it might be stupid in a while, but hell, if gaming is considered such
#7 by "Jafd"
2000-06-04 01:53:47
jafd@whatthefuck.com http://www.therainforestsite.com/
Well. If I can download an Eminem bot and blow the crap out of it over and over and over, that just might be incentive enough to buy Q3.

z
Time passes...

Uhm, no, actually, it isn't incentive enough. Nevermind. A pleasant daydream, however.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#8 by "RzE"
2000-06-04 01:54:30
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
--a good form of media, FINALLY, then it'll get us more levels and models, and they'll probably be good maps and models, too

Why not?
#9 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 01:54:39
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
Im downloading that right now. Does it mean I'll ever buy an Eminem or Dr. Dre album? umm no, I wouldn't touch what they call 'music', let alone pay money for it. I can hear more than I want to of it by turning the radio on. For people more interested in their albums, maybe it makes a difference. I wonder if they included it on the LP?

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#10 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 01:55:36
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
And after the first post, I better post, huh? Free marketing shit is cool. I played the Anaconda level and enjoyed it, it came with a unique monster (or skin) too, didn't it? Doesn't affect me. I didn't see Anaconda (but HAVE seen Lake Placid and Deep Blue Sea and loved them). If crap products with large marketing budgets want to give us free shit I'm not complaining.

If some gullible halfwit goes out and invests in godawful "one man boy band" Eminem's crap then the fool shouldn't have been trusted with currency in the first place. [there are too many good dance acts around to throw currency at the Rick Astley of Rap].

And that Dr Dre, how absurd is he? Mr 'Poor Black Compton Mafia Trash Ganja Leaf Gangsta Rapping About Doing Illegal Things All the Time With Guns And Drugs And All Sorts Of Crime' sues a PC-matching net service for the crime of kiddies swapping mpegs? OOooh, what a big hard scary villain he is. Wasn't Dr Dre the producers for NWA? (Niggers With Attourneys). The fucking tosspot twat.
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#11 by "bleh"
2000-06-04 01:57:56
is it easy having such a harsh and hateful opinion of people?
#12 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 01:58:22
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#9</b>, PainKilleR-[CE]:
<QUOTE>
Im downloading that right now.
</QUOTE>
I'm just about to play it. Fingers crossed...

And I grabbed Anaconda again to give that another blast. It was a lot of fun back in the day, hopefully it still is.

BTW, don't anyone give the surprise away, just in case someone who never played it decides to give it a go now.
<QUOTE>
I wonder if they included it on the LP?
</QUOTE>
Doubt it, the level has just been released but I think the album is already out.
#13 by "Timdog"
2000-06-04 02:02:34
TheTimdog@hotmail.com
To end the moronathon (love that word Warren), and since I can't run that far, I'll make a real post here.

Overall, I tend to disagree with Andy's outrage over creative advertising.  I don't mind corporations at all, they only want my money. On the other hand, I want my money too.

So me and the market see eye-to-eye on this matter: Everyone wants Timdog's money (and inflict pain on me for referring to myself in the third person).  And that's all fine with me.

In order to get my money, these corporations are (of course) going to advertise anyway they can. If they think quake players might like Dr. Dre, they're going to advertise directly to them. If they're wrong, we all get free shit anyway.

However, that being said, is this legal? Hear me out here: I can't go make quake 3 levels and sell them for profit without getting a license to from id (how did we end up back there :) ). In this case, they aren't selling the level, but they are using quake 3 to push a separate commercial product. Going back to the Apogee threads, this *is* one thing that is not allowed by the 3dRealms agreement.

If they have a license, this is all fine and dandy. If not, its rather questionable.

And I may just be rambling.

--The Timdog

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#14 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 02:05:09
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#11</b> "bleh" wrote...
<QUOTE>is it easy having such a harsh and hateful opinion of people? </QUOTE>

Well, the text just flies onto the screen at a rate of knots and I don't have an ucler, so the evidence would imply a yes.
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#15 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 02:06:21
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
Americans: ucler is the UK spelling of ulcer. Honest.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 02:07:33
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#10</b>, flamethrower:
<QUOTE>
I didn't see Anaconda
</QUOTE>
It was meant to be crap but I saw it a few weeks ago and I liked it. But then, there are very few films that I don't like. The special effects were great, and it had a solid atmosphere which is important.
<QUOTE>
the Rick Astley of Rap
</QUOTE>
You obviously don't know much about him. Judge ye not by a picture.
<QUOTE>
And that Dr Dre, how absurd is he?
</QUOTE>
He has every right to sue Napster, so not absurd at all.
<QUOTE>
Wasn't Dr Dre the producers for NWA?
</QUOTE>
Yes, him and Yella.

Hey, it just occurred to me - two members of the original NWA were Dr Dre and Ice Cube, and Dr Dre is one of the Chronic bots and Ice Cube was in Anaconda. Small world.
#17 by "Paul"
2000-06-04 02:11:05
pab05f@mizzou.edu
I haven't checked out this one yet, but a good level is a good level no matter what it is promoting.

sounds good to me!
#18 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 02:12:50
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#12</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>I'm just about to play it. Fingers crossed... </QUOTE>

hmm I couldn't get the level to load (just knocks me back to the main menu) and when I loaded up the bots in another level, all I got was the new trash talking (woohoo, Dr. Dre told me to suck his dick because he got stomped), but the models/skins wouldn't load. hmm...maybe I missed something in the download.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#19 by "bleh"
2000-06-04 02:16:01
<b>flamethrower:</b>

Well, at least you're honest. :P

Anywho...I think *some* exploitation is going on with add-ons like this, but nothing really worth worrying about. They took advantage of the popularity of Q3A and two rappers and used it to make a nicely done (from what I saw of the screenshots, haven't had a chance to play it yet) level, for free. No harm in that.

However, had they attempted to SELL it, I think there might be cause for worry. Wouldn't that be borderline illegal (assuming they had a license to sell it in the first place)?

As for buying an album or seeing a movie because of something like this, unless the add-on in question was extraordinary, I seriously doubt it would persuade me to buy anything because of it.
#20 by "Jafd"
2000-06-04 02:26:30
jafd@whatthefuck.com http://www.therainforestsite.com/
<b>#18</b> "PainKilleR-[CE]" wrote...
<QUOTE>woohoo, Dr. Dre told me to suck his dick because he got stomped</QUOTE>

lmao
words fail me hehe
damn! I think I was playing against Dre last night! bwa ha ha<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#21 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 02:28:17
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
hmm...looking through the pk3 file, it doesn't appear that they bothered to actually put a directory structure in there. Anyone else tried this map/these bots out yet? I think it'd be rather strange if I were the only one that got a pk3 file without directories in it ;)

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#22 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 02:34:40
andy@planetcrap.com
Well... <b>that</b> was disappointing.

The screenshots in the ZIP file looked promising, and my first impression of the level was very good, but when I started playing against the two bots it wasn't any fun at all.

Anyone else get the impression that this was a Bare Minimum (tm) production?

The level is very basic. The textures are all-new, sure, but there aren't that many of them and they're quite basic. The bot models are simple and the skins looked amateurish from what I could see of them. The taunts are pathetic.

On the other hand, the Anaconda level for the original Quake was a great level. It was made by one guy, presumably talent-spotted, whereas Chronic was commissioned from a team that creates other stuff too. Hmm.

Remember what a few of us were saying the other day about artists who don't care about what they're creating? Well, my review of Chronic would be something like "competent but nothing special". Let's hope the new Doom game doesn't turn out the same way.

BTW, the Chronic loading screen shows a billboard that says "Eminem and Dr Dre - sold out". Gave me a chuckle. :)
#23 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 02:37:07
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#21</b>, PainKilleR-[CE] - just checked mine and it has a normal directory structure with /textures, /models, /scripts, etc.
#24 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 02:40:56
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#23</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>PainKilleR-[CE] - just checked mine and it has a normal directory structure with /textures, /models, /scripts, etc. </QUOTE>
yeah, I see that, winzip is just as lame as ever.
hmm... I'm not sure why Q3 is doing what it's doing, but maybe I'll be able to figure it out. I <i>love</i> the fact that Q3 never gives me any error messages though ;)

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#25 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 02:46:25
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#16</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>
the Rick Astley of Rap
You obviously don't know much about him. Judge ye not by a picture. </QUOTE>

Actually I do. I checked out his last/current album. He makes Vanilla Ice look like The Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I heard he was one of the Bros twins.

<QUOTE>
He has every right to sue Napster, so not absurd at all. </QUOTE>

I think you missed the arguament leading to the <i>conclusive proof</i> Dre is absurd. This is a man whose entire image is based off of doing illegal things, serious things, like killing people, selling drugs, and being generally violent and unsociable and, it goes without saying, blaming everyone in the world except himself. If <b>Spinal Tap</b> were <i>Burning Looting Raping Shooting</i>, <b>Dr Dre</b> is, by his own lyrics, <i>Killing Maiming Snorting Fucking</i>. And he is suing Napster for linking computers together to - mock horror - copy a song, something teenagers have been doing for the last thirty years. Andy. He's bluffing. He's a fake, a fraud, he's not keeping it real, he is talking about killing people and doing drugs and then suing a computer matching service. Dr Dre he is absurd.

<QUOTE>
Wasn't Dr Dre the producers for NWA? Yes </QUOTE>

Good God, I really didn't know that. I said Niggers With Attourneys. Not Niggers With Attitude. He is so absurd he is <i>really</i> beyond parody. That takes some doing.

<QUOTE>
Hey, it just occurred to me - two members of the original NWA were Dr Dre and Ice Cube, and Dr Dre is one of the Chronic bots and Ice Cube was in Anaconda. Small world. </QUOTE>

It makes me think these boys bands pushing the "agressive, dangerous, nigger criminal" image they so much care to cultiate, are about as dangerous and edgy as Last Of The Summer Wine [<i>without</i> the 'rolling down a gentle hill in a home made go-kart' bit at the end].
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#26 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 02:55:21
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
hmm...I think I was better off when it didn't work ;)
#27 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 02:56:24
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#25</b>, flamethrower:
<QUOTE>
This is a man whose entire image
</QUOTE>
That says it all - it's an image.

Id Software's image is based on violence and Satanism. Does that mean I've got a right to steal their games at gun-point and use them in devil worship ceremonies?

No, it doesn't.
#28 by "Jafd"
2000-06-04 03:01:57
jafd@whatthefuck.com http://www.therainforestsite.com/
You have a point, Andy; but he wasn't suggesting that Dr. Dre didn't have a legal leg to stand on, but only that he was absurd. Which he is, no question.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "dukope"
2000-06-04 03:06:34
slight correction:

the anaconda thingy for quake was made by at least 4 guys: bubbah, magicman, and chris bolin.. oh yeah, and me :). a few of us went on to make Malice for quake.
#30 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 03:08:38
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#27</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>That says it all - it's an image. Id Software's image is based on violence and Satanism. Does that mean I've got a right to steal their games at gun-point and use them in devil worship ceremonies? No, it doesn't. </QUOTE>

id Software would say 'enjoy our competitive game then go home and eat salad with your burger'. id do not go around with inverted crosses around their necks saying they worship they Devil (and then not even having the common decency to be genuine).Thus id do not have an aburd image. Crappy office politics, yes, but their image is of 'artists and programmers in a creative environment'.

Dre puts HIMSELF forward as the message. As does Cube. And Eminem. They impart information and arguament. If they are all some kind of 'South Central LA Steps', fair enough. At least Steps have the decency not to deny they are all image and no substance. These artists put <i>themselves</i> forward as cultural icons and (pisspoor) role models. I cry fraud.

BTW. If you like his music - power to you - you can enjoy the music of an absurd person, there's nothing wrong with that. I like some Fatboy Slim tracks and they don't come anymore absurd than him. ;)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#31 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 03:10:28
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#29</b> "dukope" wrote...
<QUOTE>the anaconda thingy for quake was made by at least 4 guys: bubbah, magicman, and chris bolin.. oh yeah, and me :). a few of us went on to make Malice for quake. </QUOTE>

I have Malice sitting here right now. Cost me ONE pound and I've never played it. I really should try it out, except I've just got KINGPIN at bargain price and I can't get past the first two thugs, I'm *sure* a big guy with a lead pipe only needs to hit you once on an unprotected skull. =)
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#32 by "Happy cow"
2000-06-04 03:11:25
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
<quote>Id Software's image is based on violence and Satanism. Does that mean I've got a right to steal their games at gun-point and use them in devil worship ceremonies? </quote>
I think you got the wrong end of the handle there bud. A better question is would it be within Id's Image to try and stop Raven from publishing SoF because it's too violent. No, it would be Hypocritical if they did.  

I seem to recall Abby Hoffman (counter culture Icon) wrote a book called "steal this book". If you did steal it, would Abby being out of line for prosecuting to the full extent of the law? Or would that seem Hypocritical?

Happy Cow ( your moral compass with Udders)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#33 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 03:16:40
andy@planetcrap.com
dukope - I stand corrected. :) And thank you for making such a great level, especially the bit that I'm not going to mention but you know what I'm talking about!

flamey - I love NWA but I don't like Dre's solo stuff, although I've not heard much of it. I don't like his image, either.
#34 by "Trin"
2000-06-04 03:34:33
trin@developium.com, trin@planetcrap.com http://www.developium.com
I dont like rap.

Long live Tool. Tool 0wns. Tool should do music for a game (though that would go against what they think, which is total hate for commercialization.) Though, they could do it, if they got credit for it in the game credits, and no where on the box.

Again, Long live Tool :)
#35 by "McGrew"
2000-06-04 03:37:08
mcgrew@famvid.com http://TheFragfest.com
Andy (27) now YOU'RE being absurd. Quake is deliberately hokey and aimed at adults. Dre is aimed at kids who are expected to (and do) take him seriously.

Dre is a truly antisocial and hypocritical person, who I would not be surprised to find is also a sociopath (not unlicke some folks here)

-Steve
#36 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-06-04 03:37:44
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#34</b> "Trin" wrote...
<QUOTE>Tool should do music for a game (though that would go against what they think, which is total hate for commercialization.) Though, they could do it, if they got credit for it in the game credits, and no where on the box. </QUOTE>

Or if they made the game themselves, or at least did the art for the game. Considering that their main interest in life is art, that wouldn't be much of a stretch, maybe. They do their own videos, why not a game? ;)

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#37 by "OldUncleTed"
2000-06-04 03:52:08
RD_postal@hotmail.com
what do you all have agianst Eminem or Dr.Dre?

Is it bad just because it is rap?

Hell, I've heard a lot worse shit in some of those POS "Heavy Metal" songs

I just bought Marshall mathers LP and i love it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "Twitch"
2000-06-04 03:53:27
twitch@gamepig.com http://www.gamepig.com
This is the <i>second</i> time in the last few weeks that a map has been used as a promotion. Back on May 19, <a href="http://www.planetquake.com/meanarena/">MeanArena</a> released a Q3 CTF map to help promote an album from the band "ShapeShifter." One of the tracks from the album was the background music for the level. It wasn't a bad map, but not a real good one either.

I think it's a cute idea, although there's probably not a payoff to match the time it takes to make a proper Q3 map. Can't say I have any urge to go out and buy a ShapeShifter or Eminem album....
#39 by "scud"
2000-06-04 03:55:14
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
Andy,

Shame on you for wasting a good Who refence on shuch a piece of crap!

Ok hrm...i was going to re-install q3 for this poopfest but well..having read everyone else's response to the mediocre piece of poop I'll stick away from it and save my HD.

But damnit..The Who..and eminem in the same post? say it ain't so! ;)

--Scud<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#40 by "Darkseid"
2000-06-04 04:00:30
Darkseid-D@planetcrap.com http://www.captured.com/boomstick
some people like rock

some people like metal

some people like japanese pop

some people like jazz

some people like country and western

some people like dance music

some people like blues

some people like classical

some people like rap

some people like pop

some people like rhythm and blues


I guarantee you 'fans' will call the stuff _they_ dont like shit, regardless of whatever merit it may have. Welcome to human bigotries and biases, marvellous isnt it.

me, I like a wide range of things and can listen to most forms of music (and play some of them :)), what makes a song good or bad is entirely subjective and centric to that person.  This doesnt make for right or wrongs about it, as its a personal choice.

kindly let other people make their own decisions before proclaiming something bad because _you_ dont like it


(ps its an awful lot harder to sit down and write music from scratch, than it is to steal samples...)


Irony - Dre sues napster for facilitating piracy, whilst being the subject of legal action over unauthorised use of samples...


Ds<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-06-04 04:02:48
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
Hi,

I would actually look forward to some artists mixing different arts together. While a lot of shite may be produced there also may be some interesting stuff. I haven't downloaded this but if it is part of a promotional act then if i was Id software I would go after the guy and ask for some compensation .... if it is just some kooky stuff done on the side then let it sleep.

As to the legitimacy of the artist .. anyone who is promoted as "street cred guy" and happens to be living with a upper-middle class philosophy deserves to be taunted for being fraudulent :P. Damn with such a negative view that is promoted I would goto the extent of punishing him especially as he hasn't seem to have done anything beneficial for community ?

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#42 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 04:03:39
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#34</b> "Trin" wrote...
<QUOTE>Tool should do music for a game </QUOTE>

ANYTHING would be better than Motley Crud. It's a Daiktana Decision, one awful idea element added. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#43 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 04:07:07
andy@planetcrap.com
Steve - I just read this on the Fragfest:
<quote>
Newswatch.org closed last Tuesday. The site was supposed to expose crappy reporting on theinternet.
</quote>
I'd never heard of Newswatch, but I'm currently in the process of setting up a site to do that sort of thing. It will cover all of the meeja, though, not just the net, and will be a <i>public access</i> sort of thing.

Anyone in the UK who watches the BBC news (not News 24) will understand why such a site is necessary. Same goes for anyone who has written for a newspaper or magazine in the last few years.


<b>#39</b>, scud:
<QUOTE>
Shame on you for wasting a good Who refence on shuch a piece of crap!
</QUOTE>
What was the Who reference? The headline? Whatever it was, it wasn't intentional. :)
#44 by "flamethrower"
2000-06-04 04:23:31
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#37</b> "OldUncleTed" wrote...
<QUOTE>Is it bad just because it is rap? </QUOTE>

No its because it's plain bad.


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#45 by "Darkseid"
2000-06-04 04:28:24
Darkseid-D@planetcrap.com http://www.captured.com/boomstick
ye gods .. what am I still doing awake at 3:30am on a Sat night / Sun morning


oh thats right ..

*turns volume dial up*



this is dedicated to Paul Steed...



Twisted Sister - We're not going to take it.mp3



alright ... devil signs and synchronised head banging on the count of 3


11!


Ds


<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "scud"
2000-06-04 04:38:33
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
andy,

Yes the title "see me, hear me, feel me," are a line from a Who song from "Tommy".

--Scud (the resident Who fanatic)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#47 by "Andy"
2000-06-04 04:39:12
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#45</b>, Darkseid - I just got the new Maiden album today so the head banging started at around 7pm and it ain't stopping any time soon...
#48 by "Ouroboros"
2000-06-04 04:42:48
ouroboros@volitionwatch.com http://descent.gamestats.com
Concerning the level: I doubt it CAN be on the album, since then lawyers could VERY easily, and quite correctly, declare that the level is being sold, wham, violation of license, thanks for shopping, come again! Remember, pretty much all music is handled by massive corportations whose two main goals are to A) Make money and B) Keep money by avoiding lawsuits.

Concerning music in general: I do NOT call all music I don't like "crap". I don't like country, R&B, blues or most rap, but I'm not saying it's all crap. (Boy-band, totally artificial pop is another matter entirely.) My main problem with rap - and, come to think of it, most pop - is the image stuff. Thanks, but I don't buy the bull**** that rappers are just doing "what they know from the streets". The pop bands even moreso, but rappers as well. Fuck the streets. Why does all of their music have to be about the same thing? I get VERY suspicious of multiple albums of music about the same subjects. If you're making up a persona for a performer, you tend to stick to what works. Real artists tend to do songs on a variety of subjects.

Concerning the subjects at hand: Rap, more often thatn not, is blunt, outright declaration of the coolness of violating the law, treating women like trash, shooting police, etc, etc, etc. And then they go on to make millions. It disgusts me.

Rap is NOT an inherintly unworkable medium; Will Smith (one example, I'm not saying he's the only one) has done some stuff I would consider to be actual music. I don't like people who say "rap is bad", or any such. Rappers may be bad, but the type of music itself isn't really flawed.

My god. Now THAT is a rambling, off-topic rant if I've ever seen one. Good for me.
#49 by "Happy cow"
2000-06-04 04:43:52
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
bangs head to J-Pop music. Gun smith cats "YES BABY"

Happy Cow (songs in English are boring to me)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#50 by "loonyboi"
2000-06-04 05:32:00
jason@loonygames.com http://www.bluesnews.com
<b>#22</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>The level is very basic. The textures are all-new, sure, but there aren't that many of them and they're quite basic. The bot models are simple and the skins looked amateurish from what I could see of them. The taunts are pathetic. </QUOTE>

I'll agree that the taunts are pathetic - I would even call them offensive, but of course, I don't listen to the music in question, and it <i>does</i> have an "explicit lyrics" label on it, so I knew what I was getting into.

<i>But</i> I thought it was an entertaining level. Will I ever play it again? Hell, no. The damn thing has a BFG in the worst possible place. But it was fun for a quick download.

<QUOTE>On the other hand, the Anaconda level for the original Quake was a great level. It was made by one guy, presumably talent-spotted, whereas Chronic was commissioned from a team that creates other stuff too. Hmm. </QUOTE>

That level was made by Steve "magicman" Thoms, and it does indeed rule. He was hired by rogue, and left with the other guys in the exodus to start Nihilistic.

-jason<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
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