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Post on our forums?  Better own the game!
June 21st 2002, 20:22 CEST by Nova Z

In what seems to be a first (or not), Bioware will require that you enter your Neverwinter Nights cdkey in order to participate in their NWN community forums. Seems like a good idea;  don't waste breath on the people who haven't purchased the game, and (perhaps) cut down on the number of forum trolls.  

So why aren't other companies doing the same thing?  [Mandatory warez tie-in:] If nothing else, it just removes one more feature from the warezed version of the game.  At least they'll know that people posting on the forums, actually own the game.

PS:  Fuck you Bailey
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#1 by Matthew Gallant
2002-06-21 20:26:07
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
I wonder if the keys made by the key generator will work?

Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$306,000,000.
#2 by Warren Marshall
2002-06-21 20:26:24
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Because it alienates people who are just trying to find out about the game and get some word of mouth reviews.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#3 by Whisp
2002-06-21 20:26:57
You can read, just not post.

Alles in Butter, liebe Mutter!
#4 by Charles
2002-06-21 20:27:03
www.bluh.org
Well, there is a public forum for everyone... and for the restricted forums, anyone can still read what's there.

And what's there right now isn't very pretty at all.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#5 by Matt Davis
2002-06-21 20:27:58
http://looroll.com
I think you're allowed to view, just not post, so you can get word of mouth opinions on the game, you just can't post that you think they suck.
#6 by Mister Nutty
2002-06-21 20:28:43
I think its a fine idea as long as they don't get crazy big-brother and start banning CDKEYs of people who post reasonable negative comments.

Smashing!
#7 by Xero
2002-06-21 20:29:08
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
because it alienates people who were using the site a day before the cd key policy was instituted, and who had all the posts they were following disappear.

Anyone without a cd key is relegated to the status of lumpen prole.

"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
-Ornette Coleman
#8 by m0nty
2002-06-21 20:29:09
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
There are a bazillion other forums on the Intarweb for random trolls to ruin, so I see this as a good idea. More kudos to Bioware.
#9 by Whisp
2002-06-21 20:29:59
deleting old posts was probably a bit harsh.  What purpose did it serve anyway?

Alles in Butter, liebe Mutter!
#10 by Greg
2002-06-21 20:30:07
So what if they require valid CD keys to post? The optimist says that now only people who have the game can talk about it, and that's a good thing, since it can increase useful posts. The conspiracist says that they can now ban your CD key based on what you say in forums, or the opposite - tieing a known in-game account to a poster. It's more fun to go with the conspiracy angle.

Also, Blizzard now has the same requirement for its forums.

You should do, what should be done, by you.

-Ancient Japanese Proverb
#11 by Shadarr
2002-06-21 20:36:06
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I don't see why a game company should offer up their bandwidth and disk space to people who haven't paid for the game.  Not only will this keep warezers from posting, it will also hopefully limit the conversation to people who've at least installed the game, which should raise the signal : noise a little.  And if they do ban based on CD key (as long as they aren't bastards about it) it will prevent the trolls and 12 year old flamers from registering new accounts.  All good in my book.
#12 by Terata
2002-06-21 20:48:42
The Station (Sony/Everquest) has required your account login to post for a long time now.  I'm not sure if they ever banned somebody from the game based on messageboard behavior offhand, but the possibility does at least have a slight chilling effect, I think.
#13 by crash
2002-06-21 21:40:31
i think it's a very good idea, and a long time coming. for Warren, please to note: you can still read the forums. you just can't say anything.

Whoops, sorry, was my common sense showing again? -HoseWater
#14 by Shadarr
2002-06-21 21:59:36
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
There are a lot of non-gaming boards that require registration to post.  Some require a valid email address (and a bunch of non-verified other info).  This is just one step further, and a good step in my opinion.  If they start banning people for posting "this game sucks" or "I can't believe I wasted $90 on this", that will be a problem, but completely separate from the CD key checking.
#15 by Dinglehoffen
2002-06-21 22:37:48
Fanny Fungus
All this approach is an I'M DEREK SMARTEY PANTS AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY CRAP ABOUT ALL THE BUGS AND HOW CRAPPY MY GAME IS move. It also shows a 3DRealms WE'LL TYPE PROFANITY ON OTHER BOARDS BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THE WORD WUSS ON OURS OR YOU'RE BANNED AND WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE HATES US CAUSE WE CAN'T FINISH DNF SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE NONE OF OUR FANBOIS GIVES INTO THE TRUTH OF OUR FARTINESS policies.

"Cause you'll be LIVIN' IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER EATIN' GOVERNMENT CHEESE!"
#16 by Max Diablos
2002-06-21 22:41:54
I'd like to see the net split into two. Verified and non-verified. The client could chose to filter submissions on that basis. Governments would have to choose how they regulated this. But, it would cut out the anonymous "netizen" without responsibility syndrome.

No helter skelter. No over the rainbow bad trip apocalypse. Just us and this moment now. This is how it ends.
#17 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-06-21 22:44:13
#16

I'd like to see the net split into two.


Hear Hear! Just make sure you are not on the same internet that I am on. I am tired of your self-indulgent masturbatory rambling.

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#18 by Matt Davis
2002-06-21 22:45:41
http://looroll.com
I'd happily be verified to have the BS level dropped, it's above health and safety levels for us at the moment, and we may have to shut this place down.
#19 by Ashiran
2002-06-21 22:48:41
I would pay extra money if it ment getting rid of kiddies.

I hate people
#20 by "Mark Asher"
2002-06-21 22:49:12
www.quartertothree.com
"Because it alienates people who are just trying to find out about the game and get some word of mouth reviews."

But you can still view, right? That should satisfy most of those people.
#21 by Matt Davis
2002-06-21 22:50:08
http://looroll.com
yeah, you have to buy the game to actually post.
#22 by Leslie Nassar
2002-06-21 22:50:28
http://departmentofinternets.com
It's almost as if the developers are telling the warez kiddiez to fuck off...

It's a start.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#23 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-06-21 22:51:35
I've never sought customer support when I've warezed a game. That's just cheeky.

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#24 by Matt Davis
2002-06-21 22:52:28
http://looroll.com
I'm all for it, but I think what developers/publishers need to start doing is releasing a game worldwide in the shortest space of time possible. It really sucks waiting 2-14 weeks for a game that I've read a review for online.
#25 by jjz
2002-06-21 23:05:14
USA! USA! USA!
#26 by Filthy Animal
2002-06-21 23:07:15
#12 Terata

I'm not sure if they ever banned somebody from the game based on messageboard behavior offhand, but the possibility does at least have a slight chilling effect, I think.


Wasn't someone banned for writing explicit fan-fiction involving underaged elves?

"And George actually likes Dick Justice!" -- Scott Miller
#27 by Mister Nutty
2002-06-21 23:12:23
Serves them right...Somebody's gotta protect the underaged elves.

Smashing!
#28 by crash
2002-06-21 23:19:50
Filthy Animal:

Wasn't someone banned for writing explicit fan-fiction involving underaged elves?

yes, but not on company boards--on 3rd party ones. which makes it both worse and better, i suppose.

Whoops, sorry, was my common sense showing again? -HoseWater
#29 by Max Diablos
2002-06-21 23:27:16
Hear Hear! Just make sure you are not on the same internet that I am on. I am tired of your self-indulgent masturbatory rambling.


I'm just warming up for a sustained posting frenzy. So sue me.

No helter skelter. No over the rainbow bad trip apocalypse. Just us and this moment now. This is how it ends.
#30 by Xero
2002-06-21 23:28:55
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
I understand why it was done, from the company's viewpoint it gave them a lot of control but it also fractured the vibrant living community that shared those boards before the cd key changeover occured.

"Every legend, moreover, contains its residuum of truth, and the root function of language is to control the universe by describing it."
-James Baldwin
#31 by bago
2002-06-21 23:34:36
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
offhand the old posts were probably deleted because the data wasn't compatable with the new bulletin board software.

iamelectro
#32 by InsideWhat'sLeft Behind
2002-06-22 00:11:36
Can't really say I care much about miserable message boards populated by retards so for all it's worth, go ahead.

"It goes without saying that technical proficiency should be the first acquistion of a student who would be a fine pianist." - Sergei Rachmaninov
#33 by Post-It
2002-06-22 00:13:47
keithlee@speakeasy.net
Just got back from Minority Report. Great flick, definitely the best I 've seen this summer. I'm trying to decide or not, but I almost agree with a reviewer who said that it was the best sci-fi film they had seen since Blade Runner. If nothing else, I think MR gives one of the more accurate views of the near future, better than any movie since Blade Runner.

"It's a bird!  It's a plane!  Oh shit, It knows we're home!"
-Chris Johnson
#34 by Shadarr
2002-06-22 00:23:13
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Does that mean there will be too-smooth spider robots crawling around in my lifetime?  Cool.
#35 by Bailey
2002-06-22 00:34:45
Shadarr

Remember that robot that escaped from the gladitorial arena? Perhaps they ALREADY ARE...

On Topic

I found WC3's ending to be a bit of a letdown, but the story and gameplay were fairly satisfying. Lost a lot of points for cheating AI, however. I didn't approve of that one bit. And the missions where you have to defend a single point or character for 30-45 minutes while unending waves of enemies roll in really turned me off.

Also unpleasant is the credits implying you get something more for finishing on hard difficulty. I'm kinda hoping the industry outgrows that petty dick-shaking one day, but I'm not holding my breath, either. So, potato, potahtoe, a pretty good WC in my opinion, but I won't be holding onto it.

Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
#36 by Shadarr
2002-06-22 00:40:35
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I assumed the robot that escaped was the Baileytron.  And I was under the impression that the Baileytron is human shaped.
#37 by InsideWhat'sLeft Behind
2002-06-22 00:49:02
When I first read that they were going to make a film out of that Philip K. Dick story, I got almost happy! Then I read: "Tom Cruise" and I thought "oh damn, well, ok, it could've been worse" and true to my words, I read "Steven Spielberg". ARGH. I'll still see it though, but I don't expect much.

"It goes without saying that technical proficiency should be the first acquistion of a student who would be a fine pianist." - Sergei Rachmaninov
#38 by jjohnsen
2002-06-22 00:59:57
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Saw Tom Cruise on Letterman a night or two ago.  Is he the single stupidest human alive.  Most of the interview consisted of him staring off into space, and then trying to figure out why what Dave said was funny.

I like most of his movies though, so as long as I don't have to hear him speak without memorizing his lines I'm o.k.
#39 by Filthy Animal
2002-06-22 01:14:46
He was on Leno last night getting the verbal smackdown from an elderly woman.  She didn't have much patience for Tom's inability to follow simple fruitcake-making instructions.

"And George actually likes Dick Justice!" -- Scott Miller
#40 by hangedmanAG
2002-06-22 01:25:50
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
I think Cruise is pretty intelligent for one of L. Ron Hubbard's zombies.  He has made very smart choices for his carreer from what roles he takes to whom he dates.  Few actors that are considered "pretty idiots" (such as Keanu) have been more successful dispelling that notion in the industry.

Plus, promoting a movie is very draining.  By the time a star comes onto a late night show, he/she has already done dozens of interviews that day.  I would be brain dead myself...if I'm not already.

there is no emoticon for my spite
#41 by InsideWhat'sLeft Behind
2002-06-22 01:29:05
jjohnsen: what scares me is his "maniacal stare" that he regresses into now and then. He looks really weird when he does that.

#40, that's what an "agent" is for.

"It goes without saying that technical proficiency should be the first acquistion of a student who would be a fine pianist." - Sergei Rachmaninov
#42 by hangedmanAG
2002-06-22 01:34:52
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
#41
What career choices?  No, the decisions made are the actor's.  An agent's job is to get as many options as possible and make recommendations.  Some actors do let their agents run their career but very few of the top-tier talent.  Besides, Cruise is notorious for involvement in all aspects of his career.

there is no emoticon for my spite
#43 by Bailey
2002-06-22 01:38:12
Everyone who is successful in Hollywood has an advisor. Even multiple advisors. I think Tom Cruise met a really good advisor early in his career.

Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
#44 by hangedmanAG
2002-06-22 01:44:26
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
#43
Possibly.  I just feel that he has made far too many shrewd moves to be as dim as most people of the people, here, feel.  That and various industry gossip.

Don't get me wrong.  I hate with every fiber of my being that isn't being used to hate everyone else, I just don't think he is a blathering idiot.

there is no emoticon for my spite
#45 by hangedmanAG
2002-06-22 01:45:06
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
I hate "him"

...dammit!

there is no emoticon for my spite
#46 by Bailey
2002-06-22 01:50:45
He is a scientologist, right? Implying he thinks the only way to get rid of the reptile ghosts currently possessing his body is by giving his money to someone slightly higher up the reptile-ghost ridding chain of command?

What part of that doesn't qualify as blathering idiot?

Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
#47 by Mister Nutty
2002-06-22 01:53:24
Baily,  he did.

And her name is Paula Wagner.

Smashing!
#48 by None-1a
2002-06-22 01:56:34
He is a scientologist, right? Implying he thinks the only way to get rid of the reptile ghosts currently possessing his body is by giving his money to someone slightly higher up the reptile-ghost ridding chain of command?


Actor's don't need to give money to anyone to get rid of reptile-ghost for pr reasons. It's more or less just a way to get free resort vacations for the famous people.
#49 by hangedmanAG
2002-06-22 01:57:06
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
Don't get me wrong, the Scientology part is pretty fucking stupid.  I just don't think it makes him completely dirt ass dumb.

C'mon, any man that dates/marries Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman and Penelope Cruise shows, to me, some degree of intelligence.

there is no emoticon for my spite
#50 by LPMiller
2002-06-22 02:05:51
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
1) Scientologists don't make career decisions, Scientology does.
2) Tom has recent achieved the level of OT5, congrats to him.  Xenu must be pissed

I believe I can fly......urk.
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