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Your monthly topic about Germany's Index
June 3rd 2002, 20:04 CEST by Morn

So now they're talking about putting eBay and other auction sites on the Index. Discuss.
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#1 by Greg
2002-06-03 20:06:13
The bastards!

If I could read German, or bothered running it through Babelfish, then maybe I'd have a more enlightened reaction. Maybe..

But still, the bastards!

You should do, what should be done, by you.

-Ancient Japanese Proverb
#2 by Charles
2002-06-03 20:07:09
www.bluh.org
Who cares?  I mean, really...  you can still warez it!

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#3 by Leslie Nassar
2002-06-03 20:18:26
http://departmentofinternets.com
mein gott!

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#4 by Leslie Nassar
2002-06-03 20:18:28
http://departmentofinternets.com
mein gott!

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#5 by BobJustBob
2002-06-03 20:32:11
Well Morn, there was that naked guy's reflection in the teapot. Kids shouldn't see stuff like that. Neither should we.

So there.
#6 by Matt Perkins
2002-06-03 20:42:32
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
So if they're on the Index, they can't be advertised, right?  You can still view them and the like...  right?


That means the people that already know about them are good, the people that don't are fucked.  Sweet!  Fuck the n00bs!!!!


*wizard thanks his stars he's not German*  then again, I'm an American, I don't know that qualifies as better.

LPMiller - "I am not your signature whore, wizard!"
#7 by jafd
2002-06-03 20:42:47
The Germans are leading the world with their "carpet the planet" technology. Because putting shoes on their children's feet is hard.

Bored now.
#8 by jjohnsen
2002-06-03 20:43:32
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I'm an idiot, but how do you stop a German from buying a game of Amazon.com UK?
#9 by Matt Perkins
2002-06-03 20:43:59
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
That new icon isn't so in your face...  but seems much darker once you really look at it.


Who is this person you use to scare us, jafd?

LPMiller - "I am not your signature whore, wizard!"
#10 by jjohnsen
2002-06-03 20:44:14
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Or any other non-german site for that matter?
#11 by Duality
2002-06-03 20:45:09
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
So when is everything without a .de top level domain going to be placed on the index?

#12 by HoseWater
2002-06-03 20:46:44
barneyque@hotmail.com
The google toolbar does a somewhat half decent translation job on a good portion of the page. Effortless too.

I just don't see how it is possible to make it work without the assistance of ebay, and even then it is difficult given that the practice of determining who is at the other end of a connection has long been an issue that websites have struggled with.

I do see it as a legitimate problem though. I think its up to the parents to deal with it. They are the only ones who can be expected to have an eye on the little buggers at all times.
#13 by Greg
2002-06-03 20:47:06
eBay does have a German presence, www.eBay.de...

Not that it kills your idea, but it throws a little wrench into it.

You should do, what should be done, by you.

-Ancient Japanese Proverb
#14 by HoseWater
2002-06-03 20:52:29
barneyque@hotmail.com
The way to solve the problem, if you wanted to block access, is to have Ebay.com auto redirect to ebay.de for connections origionating from .de ISP's, and then use local laws on ebay.de to ensure that the content is properly regulated. There would of course be ways around that, but it would be a start.

But I am not certain that is what they are trying to do. Morn would have to come in and explain what is being requested for those of us who will not be able to get up to speed in German before this topic goes off topic.
#15 by Caliban
2002-06-03 20:53:48
gunnar@caliban.de www.kaliban.org
I'm an idiot, but how do you stop a German from buying a game of Amazon.com UK?


Hapless German: Klick. Klick. Klick. (Giggles) Now, Amazzon.uk, sent me zat game. Zat bloody one, you know.

Amazon.uk: Sorry, the product can't be shipped to the given adress.

Hapless German: aarrggh. Vhy? Vhy?

Amazon.uk: Please read our conditions of web site use. It's against our policy.

Hapless German: Bites his dog. Axes his pc.

»Reality can be useful«
#16 by Foodbunny
2002-06-03 20:53:58
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Basically all german ISPs would be required to block access to ebay from 6am to 11 pm.

Assholes fear knowledge outside the Church teachings!
#17 by Preacher
2002-06-03 20:55:42
preacher@unreality.dk http://www.unreality.dk
ARBEIT MACHT FREI! or sumthing nazi-esque.
#18 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-06-03 21:01:11
Who cares? It's Germany after all.













:)

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#19 by Ashiran
2002-06-03 21:05:46
It might rub off on neighbouring countries! I live in neighbouring countries!

"Craiky!" - Australian mating call
#20 by HoseWater
2002-06-03 21:07:39
barneyque@hotmail.com
You should overthrow your government right away then.  It might already be too late.

I'll be watching for you on the evening news, good luck.
#21 by Ashiran
2002-06-03 21:09:47
Well I would if it wasn't for the fact that we don't have a government at the moment. They're still busy trying to form one.

But when they do I will be the first to topple it!

"Craiky!" - Australian mating call
#22 by skalmanxl
2002-06-03 21:22:51
"I know, lets bring back facism! That should teach people to do things we don't want them to."

*Welcome to the land of the digital*
#23 by LPMiller
2002-06-03 21:47:37
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I think it sucks, morn.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#24 by jjohnsen
2002-06-03 22:07:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Hapless German: Klick. Klick. Klick. (Giggles) Now, Amazzon.uk, sent me zat game. Zat bloody one, you know.

Amazon.uk: Sorry, the product can't be shipped to the given adress.

Hapless German: aarrggh. Vhy? Vhy?

Amazon.uk: Please read our conditions of web site use. It's against our policy.

Hapless German: Bites his dog. Axes his pc.


Germans need to find friends outside of Germany that are willing to buy a couple of games a month and mail them in.  Kind of like a video game relief effort.  Of course finding friends might be hard, but additional payment will help with tha.
#25 by Fugazi(werking)
2002-06-03 22:20:19
We will set up an underground railroad to supply Morn with his indexed violence and pr0n.

Must satiate the Morn.

"Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die.
#26 by Ashiran
2002-06-03 22:26:30
It's funny how the german government thinks; "If we forbid it, it will go away! If we make it illegal, it will vanish!"

Well the illegal, vanishing part is correct. Into the black market that is.

"Craiky!" - Australian mating call
#27 by chris
2002-06-03 22:41:27
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
Forbidding things is the single best way to make them intriguing. :P

-chris
#28 by Ed
2002-06-03 23:10:44
coj@funkatron.com http://www.funkatron.com
Germans need to find friends outside of Germany that are willing to buy a couple of games a month and mail them in.  Kind of like a video game relief effort.  Of course finding friends might be hard, but additional payment will help with tha.


Sort of a modern Berlin Airlift.  Except without the Red Menace.

There's a joke there about Red Faction, but it doesn't seem worth it.

i need assertion devils inside my eye won't let up any motion
i need a surgeon devils inside won't cut me any slack
#29 by "piramida"
2002-06-04 00:12:04
I think it's time there'd appear a global http(s) proxy service with changing ips to get rid of all that stupid racism & censorship bans once and for all.

Paypal, as a reverted example, is blocking accounts of everyone who does not appear to be connecting from US/UK/Germany + few other civilized countries. Nice way to fight the abusers, right.

Waiting...
#30 by lustygoat
2002-06-04 00:56:58
courtney@evansinc.com
What is paypal supposed to do, turn itself into Interpol? The liability they've opened themselves up to - just by doing what they do - is immense. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they're trying to protect themselves any way they can ... even if that means (www.paypalsucks.com) etc.
#31 by "piramida"
2002-06-04 01:16:17
lusty, no, but trying to protect themselves from - read carefully - hackers who use their service to get money from stolen/forged CCs - by checking the ip from which users connect - is extremely stupid. It's the old case of trying to protect from hackers while inconviniencing every non-hacker that uses their service and not really achieving anything. For someone who knows how to harvest for CC numbers, using proxy is an everyday business anyway; for me, finding working https proxy each time when I want to use paypal, is an unneeded pain in the ass.
#32 by The_Joker
2002-06-04 01:34:34
http://www.jackinworld.com
Germans are crazy.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#33 by The_Joker
2002-06-04 01:43:40
http://www.jackinworld.com
But Germany is one of my favorite soccer teams right now.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#34 by Charles
2002-06-04 01:58:32
www.bluh.org
What, you mean with skunk head man?

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#35 by m0nty
2002-06-04 02:30:16
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I like the Italian team. With the exception of Vieri, they are at the forefront of the reintroduction of the mullet to polite society. A couple of the South American teams aren't far behind them.
#36 by The_Joker
2002-06-04 02:37:05
http://www.jackinworld.com
It's hard to have just one favorite, but if I had to choose, I think I would choose for Brazil. I just love their style. You should check out the moves they make on the field. But Germany has a strong team, Argentina is good too. And ofcourse Italy. It'll be interesting in the second round and after that.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka
#37 by m0nty
2002-06-04 02:45:19
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Quite apart from the sporting contest, the World Cup is a celebration of mullet technology. Francesco Totti is leading the Italian mullet charge, with a mane beauteous both at rest (in the middle) and in motion. Hernan Crespo of Argentina is running a close second (second from left). Obregon of Ecuador shows some promise (on right). Ronaldinho of Brazil also rates a mention (on left) for the addition of a hair tie. This bloke from Mexico is also worth a look. Finally, we have the rare dual mullet in action.

More news as it comes to hand.
#38 by "lustygoat"
2002-06-04 03:10:46
courtney@evansinc.com
pirimada - I completely agree that, technically, it's not a hacker-proof situation. I just imagine they are doing everything they can, and if cutting off people from outside the country stops a few technically less proficient crooks, well then, there you go. The liability they're exposed to from potentially breaking shit like international banking regulations, etc. probably outweighs inconveniencing customers, in their mind.
#39 by chris
2002-06-04 03:34:40
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
The real question here is: "In how many soccer photos can it look like someone is either grabbing, or attempting to grab, someone else's ass?"

-chris
#40 by "piramida"
2002-06-04 08:19:59
lusty, probably you're right, from the business point of view. It's just a sad feeling when they tell you "no, fuck off here you dirty third world bastard". So, paypalsucks, was my point :) They could at least manually check who has a real bank account registered with them and spent some good money through their service in the last year and a half, and who is a newcomer with no history, a potential hacker.

Fuck them, actually. e-gold is smarter than that... maybe because it's european, but different attitude towards customers shows. I just want my hundred bucks stored on unaccessible paypal account back :) And I can't get it back for what, half a year now?</whining>
#41 by "flamethrower"
2002-06-04 10:22:18
The German Government is acting like it won the war!
#42 by crash
2002-06-04 11:08:14
question for anyone that spells it this way: why is "information" singular when it's abbreviated and pluralized? one of the banners up top that i see from time to time has the word "infos", and i've seen that used time and again and it seems like it makes sense, so i imagine it's proper usage. have never seen it used quite that way... or is it some arcane syntax? or what? does anyone know that can explain it?

Whoops, sorry, was my common sense showing again? -HoseWater
#43 by "flamethrower"
2002-06-04 11:38:05
crash

it might not be for you
to ask question
on spellilng abbrevs plural/s
and other grammatical
issues when
you do not follow the
rules and
capitate crash
when for you it is being used
for a name
and there you go
this
haiku truly sucks
#44 by skalmanxl
2002-06-04 11:48:27
If that's a haiku, then I'm Big bird.

*Welcome to the land of the digital*
#45 by Max
2002-06-04 12:29:23
http://massivebraincase.org/
Morn-

I guess I don't really understand the Index, and really never have.  Where do they get their authority, and is this sort of thing popular on a national basis?  Is it just the gamers/etc. who hate it?  Isn't there, like, a petition you could sign?

...a bowl full of dick-shaped bullets would be symbolic...
#46 by Morn
2002-06-04 12:36:56
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Petition?! :-)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#47 by Max
2002-06-04 13:10:53
http://massivebraincase.org/
Oh sure, ignore the questions and go for the cheap laugh.

...a bowl full of dick-shaped bullets would be symbolic...
#48 by m0nty
2002-06-04 13:53:53
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Welcome to Planetcrap, Max! Have a cookie!
#49 by Tom Cleghorn
2002-06-04 14:30:50
From the article...
Es kämen immer mehr Spiele auf den Markt, die in ihrer Grundform "harmlos" seien und daher nicht indiziert werden könnten. Nachträglich würden diese allerdings durch unzählige Modifikationen aufgekocht.

...which, if I've understood it correctly, seems to be railing against mods! Is that serious? Are they genuinely looking at controlling the mod communities for indexed games?

Hit me - I'm wasting valuable time.
#50 by deadlock
2002-06-04 15:18:53
http://www.deadlocked.org/
The_Joker:

Yeah, gotta admire that move where Rivaldi gets hit in the leg with a football (albeit one kicked at him purposefully) and drops to the ground clutching his face! Sweet...

Jafd! Warren! Stop bickering or I'll be forced to change your opinions manually!
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