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Gamespy - Corporate Community Killers
May 19th 2002, 17:03 CEST by Rodzilla

Several weeks ago, the 1.07 patch for Serious Sam: The Second Encounter was released via our multiple-download location file system, allowing users to download the file from a number of mirrors, without being forced to wait in line at FilePlanet.


A few days after it's release, I posted a reply to a thread on BeyondUnreal relating to the patch.  In it, I expressed my humor at the fact that people were given a choice to download from non-Gamespy servers, from a site hosted by them, as well as the fact that this was actually allowed in their rules, and that barely anyone had downloaded the patch from FilePlanet.  Shortly after this being posted, Sluggo(A Gamespy Admin) emailed Vesto(the site director at the time) telling him I was to be removed from the site for my comments.


Vesto agreed to allow Gamespy to remove my FTP and email access, but left me as an administrator and moderator on the forums.  The next day, Gamespy deliberately broke our file system.  One of the files in the file system had been modified and one of the lines of code had been commented out, practically rendering the system useless.  Also, GSI had modified the forums to remove me as an administrator.  Both of these actions were carried out without anyone being asked, informed, or given a reason for this being done.  Where's the proof you ask?  Well, Vesto, myself, and Gamespy were the only people with access to the files involved.  My access was revoked, and this occurred while Vesto was sleeping, without his knowledge.  Also, when asked about it, it was confirmed by Sluggo that they in-fact did do this.


During the calm before the storm, stem(Another Gamespy Admin) made himself an administrator on our forums.  This, along with everything else, was done without [dev]mystic(the new site director)'s knowledge, let alone permission.  While in the actual administration panel of the forums, logs show stem modifying my user account, and getting the IPs I've used:

6964 [GSI]STEM 14:24, 7th May 2002 user.php  doips    XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6963 [GSI]STEM 14:23, 7th May 2002 user.php  doips    XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6962 [GSI]STEM 14:22, 7th May 2002 user.php  doips    XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6961 [GSI]STEM 14:22, 7th May 2002 user.php  edit  user id = 2108  XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6960 [GSI]STEM 14:22, 7th May 2002 user.php  find    XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6959 [GSI]STEM 14:22, 7th May 2002 user.php  modify    XXX.XXX.XX.XXX
6958 [GSI]STEM 14:22, 7th May 2002 index.php      XXX.XXX.XX.XXX


The next day, when I tried to login, I couldn't, as my password had been changed by a Gamespy employee.  My email had been as well, preventing me from getting a new password.  I requested that one of the forum moderators reset my password for me.  This happened several times, and after a few days I couldn't access any site on the entire Gamespy network.  Apparently, Stem's trip inside our forum administration panel had allowed Gamespy to get the IP addresses I use at home and at school, and place a block on them through their firewalls, blocking me from the entire network, including the forums, which I'd like to point out that I paid for and own.


I was not going to let Gamespy block me from the community which I have been a part of for the past year, and have invested time, effort, and money into.  So, I began browsing the forums again via an anonymous web proxy.  Gamespy persistently banned each new proxy that I used, and then banned my account on the forums entirely.


In addition to this, there are frequently errors on the main site, which appear for lengthy intervals.  The file system also breaks "randomly."  Coincidence?  Doubtful.  The fact that Gamespy modifed and intentionally broke the key aspects of Seriously! and the Serious Sam community threatens to destroy everything that myself and the rest of the staff and forum moderators have worked to build up.  We were no longer going to allow ourselves to be pushed around by "corporate community killers," as they have been branded by Gaming companies such as Epic Games, as well people who have observed their tactics first hand.


After a few weeks of careful planning, we've ditched GSI, moving to our own server, leaving them no forum members, posts, threads, or serious sam files.  Free at last...
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#1 by _Fury_
2002-05-19 17:04:56
ajhill@wi.rr.com
Thinking...

Have a gator today
#2 by m0nty
2002-05-19 17:08:09
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I'm on Gamespy's side on this one, if for no other reason than some annoying anon troll is on the other side.
#3 by jafd
2002-05-19 17:08:19
Fucking you...

Who's at the center of the wheel; the inventor of the wheel, or another spinning servant?
#4 by "SerialKilla"
2002-05-19 17:12:38
Monty your one dumb fuck, get to know the story before you comment ok??
#5 by m0nty
2002-05-19 17:15:55
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
SerialKilla: I don't care who the new Eldin is, none of it is remotely interesting to anyone not intimately familiar with the Serious Sam community.
#6 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-19 17:16:05
http://departmentofinternets.com
that's what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.  best you can do is learn from your mistake and go ctrl+c/ctrl+v for another site.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#7 by "SerialKilla"
2002-05-19 17:23:09
just like i said, you don't know shit about it...
#8 by Dis
2002-05-19 17:25:50
rcn.p@virgin.net
Well SerialKilla sums the situation up very well I feel...we don't know shit about the situation so there isn't much point discussing it :)
#9 by LPMiller
2002-05-19 17:35:05
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
just like i said, you don't know shit about it...


change "know" for "give a" and you'll have nailed it.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#10 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 17:35:12
barneyque@hotmail.com
I would like to see the post that was made on BeyondUnreal regarding the download.  A link was provided to the forums there, but heck, I could have found that on my own.  

How about either a link to the post, or some detailed search instructions that bring it up.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#11 by Arach
2002-05-19 17:46:48
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
I love reading a good GameSpy bash so I'll declare my bias. I remember posting a little flamebait on an little .au gaming site, I had mail from them within the hour. Im sure they have several hundred chained up monkeys scanning the web 24/7. Aaaanyway, Im not surprised by this display of general GSI tactics. Take what happened with Duck and Cover (a Fallout Fanboy site) a few weeks back when GSI closed them down for being a little "upity" about the Fallout Fantasy rumour. Im sure there are scores of others and everyday I thank the lord for ausgamers.

Honestly though who doesn't go to great lenghts to avoid using fileplanet? New demo on Fileplanet? Off to the Shack so someone can "Give a nigga a mirror", handy for Deus Ex 2 shots too.

[resumes lurking]

nG!
#12 by Morn
2002-05-19 17:51:16
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
I love GameSpy topics.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#13 by m0nty
2002-05-19 18:00:36
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I thought PC had evolved past this sort of thing, but trust mr0n to pull us back down into the mire. Onward, PlanetCrap soldiers! Into the fetid swampland of fansite soap opera!
#14 by Creole Ned
2002-05-19 18:08:05
It's the PC Circle of Life, m0nty. We are due for another warez thread in a few weeks. Brace yourself.

I found a new friend underneath my pillow.
#15 by Arach
2002-05-19 18:09:50
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
No, it's more like that "devolution" chair in the Mario Brothers movie.

Nameless One: Failed...Failed...Failed.

nG!
#16 by Duality
2002-05-19 18:11:52
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Yah know what PC hasn't had in a real long time?  A WWII discussion.

Sure we talk about new nazis and all that.  And yeah, we speak of the Noobian Luftwaffe wing, but those don't hold any water to a really deep WW2 discussion!

The butter religion will spread nicely.
#17 by Arach
2002-05-19 18:17:27
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
... is the new nazis.

nG!
#18 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:19:46
barneyque@hotmail.com
Personally, I am missing the opensource and Linux talk.

It is still there bubbling under the surface, it is still relevant, in fact, you can even still pull out stock charts as evidence.

One of these days, I will put up a thread with Linux, opensource, cross platform programming, evil Microsoft, and the groan that was heard around the world the last time, will echo. I just need a trigger.

I had to lay off the sauce that is the openfruit of life for a while since I had a really, really unbelievably horrible job working for a horrible, horrible wicked company who despite me having been supporting windows since NT was still in diapers thought I would somehow benefit from being an MCSE.  But fear not! I am free of the horrible job (and all the associated extra cash unfortunately), and now have a Linux box, and an OpenBSD box, and a FreeBSD box, and a Solaris box, and even still my XP box.  

I can almost feel myself coming alive again.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#19 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-19 18:25:25
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
LOSE..

WoT?
#20 by jafd
2002-05-19 18:26:25
You know... I'd like to take this time to mention that I'm very sad to note that Creole Ned has not come to #planetcrap to commune with us.

Who's at the center of the wheel; the inventor of the wheel, or another spinning servant?
#21 by Caryn
2002-05-19 18:32:31
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
New demo on Fileplanet? Off to the Shack so someone can "Give a nigga a mirror",


You know, it's funny that people always say that they'll just go get it from The Shack because they hate FP's system. This is no cut on Steve, but if you download something from FileShack, you can see that they're building in the same wait-in-line system that FP already has, it just isn't in use yet (look on the page and you'll see areas that say "wait time" and "your place in line" or something similar).

Maybe if the Shack isn't going to be like FP Steve will comment. And if that is the case, those complaints seem pretty funny right now.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
#22 by Gossip
2002-05-19 18:32:52
gossip@planetjumpgate.com http://G-Blog.net/user/Gossip
Well, who's surprised. After all, GSi invented the internet and all...

Carlo "Gossip" Zottmann ·· G-Blog.net ·· Your new weblog / diary / soapbox / rant / discussion / community site - or something...
#23 by jafd
2002-05-19 18:36:20
Personally, I am missing the opensource and Linux talk.

Personally, I am missing Barney.

Who's at the center of the wheel; the inventor of the wheel, or another spinning servant?
#24 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:37:37
barneyque@hotmail.com
Que

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#25 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-19 18:39:14
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Caryn
You know, it's funny that people always say that they'll just go get it from The Shack because they hate FP's system. This is no cut on Steve, but if you download something from FileShack, you can see that they're building in the same wait-in-line system that FP already has, it just isn't in use yet (look on the page and you'll see areas that say "wait time" and "your place in line" or something similar).

Maybe if the Shack isn't going to be like FP Steve will comment. And if that is the case, those complaints seem pretty funny right now.

What I find amusing is that people won't shell out a few measly dollars for a Personal Server.  It doesn't cost much and you get everything downloaded with no waiting in line and no ads.  Ta-da!

WoT?
#26 by Morn
2002-05-19 18:39:37
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
A Jedi? Whadyaknow.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#27 by Arach
2002-05-19 18:40:52
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
#21:
"You know, it's funny that people always say that they'll just go get it from The Shack because they hate FP's system..."


True, no argument from me, but I generally was talking about people just listing mirrors in the comments and the odd fool who thinks putting the NeverWinter tools on his FTP then posting on [some forum] about it is a good idea.

nG!
#28 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:43:18
barneyque@hotmail.com
I wont shell out the cash, there is just no need, but on the other side of the coin, I willingly forfeit my opportunity to complain.

Speaking of GSI being evil.  I recently had a very pleasant experience with them.  Strange eh?  And to think some people have issues.

Still waiting to see the gloating post on beyondunreal...I bet it is educational.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#29 by Morn
2002-05-19 18:43:41
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Warren, I like FilePlanet, but $6/month is VERY expensive for a couple of downloads.

<evil_morn mode="sarcasm">
Especially considering EasyNews.com lets you download full games, thousands of MP3s *and* even pr0n movies for the same money. And faster, too.
</evil_morn>

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#30 by Caryn
2002-05-19 18:45:08
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Warren:

I have a personal server account but I was allowed to expense it because I use it for work. Otherwise, though, I'll admit that I wouldn't have gotten it otherwise. However, prior to getting it I still downloaded from FP (and still do). I just don't care about the wait or the ads; I let the download count down in the background and keep on working. But I think the Personal Server idea was terrific.

I worked for GameSpy for two years so I'm obviously biased, but I think the way FP works and its PS idea is the smartest thing the company has ever done. Bandwidth costs money, and this is a system that allows those who are impatient to pony up some money toward that bill, and the advertisements make up for those who don't want to pay for it. A long time ago, people used to complain about FP breaking but I think I haven't seen that in at least a year, so the system at least appears very stable. *shrug* I think a lot of people complain because GameSpy is running it. Like I said, I *think* The Shack is on their way to creating a very similar system, and it will be interesting, if that's actually happening, to see if they see the same backlash. I doubt they will, simply because The Shack isn't GameSpy.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
#31 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:45:25
barneyque@hotmail.com
Well, there we go, a target, lets see all the developers and publishers express their warezing pain on that then.  :)

Al they do is complain instead of fixing the problem.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#32 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-19 18:45:56
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I don't consider $6 to be that big of an investment.  It's a fast food lunch.

WoT?
#33 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:47:41
barneyque@hotmail.com
For the shack to get the backlash, is has to do more than compete in features, it has to sacrifice a community site or two.  That is what really seems to get the masses in a lather.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#34 by Caryn
2002-05-19 18:48:37
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Warren:

But you probably download a lot, right? Outside of what I download for work purposes, I download something for myself maybe once every few months. To me, that's not worth the $6 a month, because I'd rather use that $6 a month for something else. But that's the beauty of the system: I don't feel it's worth it, BUT I can still get the files. I just pay a price that's far more acceptable to me (waiting in line/ads).

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
#35 by Morn
2002-05-19 18:51:10
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
I would prefer a fast food lunch right now, to be honest.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#36 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 18:51:18
barneyque@hotmail.com
I agree Warren, if someone wants to be first in line for a download, and is willing to pay for the privilege then that is fine, nothing wrong with that.

I just don't see it as being important; it is banking on the concept that everyone needs a file on its release date.  I can wait, no big deal. Being the master procrastinator, tomorrow is better than here and now for a file anyways.  :)

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#37 by EricFate
2002-05-19 19:05:55
I've never seen a single demo on the net that convinced me to reach for my wallet to allow me to download it right now.  The demo is a test.  An enticement.  Unless the $6 I send to FilePlanet will be used to reduce the full purchase price of the complete product by $6 (if I deem it worth buying), then FilePlanet will not get the $6.  Simple as that.  They've never hosted content that I haven't been able to find available mirrored in under 15 min. via share program, IRC, usenet, or forum search.  Therefore the convenience of using them is not valued in any way shape or form as a premium.
#38 by Ashiran
2002-05-19 19:12:19
Frankly if people are willing to pay for a download then it's fine by me. Just don't expect me to do it as long as I can find other FREE places which have the files I want.

I'm not paying money for something I can get for free. And that's why I don't spend the measly $6.

Oh and about #0.
While it is indeed not very kosher behaviour it seems that some GS people think they have supreme power and wield it as such. And in a way they have supreme power cause you can't do shit about it.
So in the end you are fucked. Sorry.
Public outrage wont help until people realize that when they sign on with the GS network that they can expect shit.

"...so I can send him a dead dog with the word "YOU" taped to its face." - Cliff Yablonski
#39 by Duality
2002-05-19 19:15:41
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Paying for a PS is good because it allows GSI to sell the greatest intangible one can obtain -- convenience.

I download a few files each month, but its extremely nice to be able to have any of those files I want / need with minimal searching effort, onto the little storage platters in my PCs.

That's worth it to me.

The butter religion will spread nicely.
#40 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 19:18:52
barneyque@hotmail.com
Well, thats what it comes down to isn't it?

We have seen this same story before, only minor details and names change.

If you are going to play in their sandbox, be prepared to play by their rules, or get started on your 'GSI is evil' message straight away.  You will be able to get it out to the masses just that much faster when the day comes that you start the cascade that brings it all to an end.

Personally, I see this slightly different than the author does.

1. Hey, we got hosting on a network that partly makes cash by extracting money for downloads.

2. Got a file to offer, lets put it all over the place.

3. Got the file out, still alive, lets comment about it on another site that we put the file all over the place where our hosts don't make money.

4. Host got upset.

5. bye bye.



At least thats how I see it based on the information provided.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#41 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-19 19:22:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
HoseWater
I just don't see it as being important; it is banking on the concept that everyone needs a file on its release date.

Not really.  Even with a personal server, it's sometimes a bitch to get a file the moment it's released.

It's more a desire to get the file when I ask for it.  Like the internet used to be.

Caryn
But you probably download a lot, right?

I don't actually.  In fact, I haven't downloaded a thing in months.  Maybe I should cancel.  Heh.

EricFate
I've never seen a single demo on the net that convinced me to reach for my wallet to allow me to download it right now.  The demo is a test.  An enticement.  Unless the $6 I send to FilePlanet will be used to reduce the full purchase price of the complete product by $6 (if I deem it worth buying), then FilePlanet will not get the $6.  Simple as that.  They've never hosted content that I haven't been able to find available mirrored in under 15 min. via share program, IRC, usenet, or forum search.  Therefore the convenience of using them is not valued in any way shape or form as a premium.

I must be lazy.  That's why it appeals to me.  I really can't be bothered scouring the net looking for alternative methods to get files.  I go to FilePlanet and I click "Download".  Done.

WoT?
#42 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 19:26:56
barneyque@hotmail.com
I have a super sekret location to get all my downloads, and better yet, I swear they have a pipe that must be about 4, maybe 5 feet around that I suspect runs directly under my house.

I get download speeds from it that are unlike anywhere else on the net, even my own ISP's mirrors seem slow by comparison.

It takes them about a week to post new files, but once they do.... wow.

Of course, I can't tell where for obvious reasons.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#43 by Caryn
2002-05-19 19:27:48
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Warren:


I don't actually.  In fact, I haven't downloaded a thing in months.  Maybe I should cancel.  Heh.


It's all a matter of personal preference. :) $6/mos. is different from person to person. I thought it was a good price to set (I probably would have guessed $5/mos. to be appropriate). And I'm with you: if someone's going to complain about waiting in line, then pony up the $6/mos. and shut up, or find somewhere else to download it from where you don't have to wait in line.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
#44 by Martin
2002-05-19 19:47:17
http://www.mocol.nu
Well, according to Rodzilla he was allowed to mirror the file but GSI got upset anyhow. Just thought I'd point that out.

#93 by LPMiller:
no it doesn't! NO IT DOESN'T!!!
#45 by HoseWater
2002-05-19 20:00:12
barneyque@hotmail.com
Yes, but they are evil, so you can't believe everything that's in the rules.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#46 by Bailey
2002-05-19 20:01:12
morn

Uh, this EasyNews.com is $120 a year? How is that better than FP's $52 a year? (pron aside)

re: FP hijackery

Personally, I prefer filefront.com over FP. Uber-speeds, no waiting, negligible advertising... (shrug) They're collapse and burn eventually if they don't find a way to turn a buck, but in the meantime, I get everything I want in 50 seconds and I don't pay a dime or wait in line.

Considering how rarely I DL demos however, the whole issue is rather moot for me.

Life without shame.
#47 by Bailey
2002-05-19 20:05:34
Regarding GSI fucking over sites they host on a whim? They've done it before. Why should this time shock/ surprise/ concern/ interest me/ anyone? Just another fansite, still don't read 'em, next.

Life without shame.
#48 by Xero
2002-05-19 20:09:28
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
Why should I feel pity for someone who does something this stupid?

"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
-Ornette Coleman
#49 by Martin
2002-05-19 20:11:42
http://www.mocol.nu
Bailey: Agree. With your post #46 and it's sequel #47 (in this thread) that is. I just like to throw some flaming peppers into the cradle at time from time.

#93 by LPMiller:
no it doesn't! NO IT DOESN'T!!!
#50 by sepultufart
2002-05-19 20:25:05
sepultufart@yahoo.com http://www.mp3.com/sepultufart/
Personally, I am missing Barney.


The IRON BARNEY! Oh No!
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