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Just ask Germany
May 9th 2002, 17:12 CEST by Whisp

After seeing how well the Index works in Germany, US lawmakers have decided to attempt to duplicate its success here in the States.

To that end, Rep. Joe Baca, a Democrat, has introduced H.R 4645, which if passed would ban the sale of violent and objectional content to those under 17 years of age.

It doesn't go so far (yet) as to ban its advertisement, and the penalties are slight ($1000-$5000 of fines, plus up to 90 days of jail time), but it certainly would set a precedent. Now, it's hard to tell how this bill will do in Congress, but I'd guess it won't make it through, and probably wouldn't stand up to scrutiny under the First Amendment anyway, but as recent events have shown, you never can tell.  Currently, a poll by CNN.com shows about 70% of 5300 readers are against such legislation, but that's hardly a representative sample of the general population.  The only way to really make sure is to tell your lawmakers directly, especially if they're one of the 21 co-sponsors of the bill.  

Why is violence among children suddenly such a concern, when it's been occuring for years among minorities, and is actually decreasing anyway?  Will this sort of legislation actually fix anything, or are we just looking for scapegoats?
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#1 by Durzel
2002-05-09 17:14:52
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
1st!
#2 by Durzel
2002-05-09 17:16:28
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
It doesn't go so far (yet) as to ban its advertisement, and the penalties are slight ($1000-$5000 of fines, plus up to 90 days of jail time)

$1000+ is a lot of money for an under 17 year old, is it not?
#3 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-09 17:21:40
http://departmentofinternets.com
From Section 2;

(3) The ratings and content descriptors of video and computer games issued by the entertainment software industry reflect the notion that certain video and computer games are suitable only for adults due to graphic depictions of sex or violence.

So Baca and company want to make the game ratings system enforcable.  I'd have thought publishers would be in favor of this legislation since they've already admitted that certain content isn't suitable for minors.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#4 by "Anonymous"
2002-05-09 17:25:59
re: post 2
I would think that the fine would be for the people who sell the game, not the kids.
#5 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-09 17:26:01
http://departmentofinternets.com
$1000+ is a lot of money for an under 17 year old, is it not?

The vendor gets fined, not the minor.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#6 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-09 17:26:11
http://departmentofinternets.com
$1000+ is a lot of money for an under 17 year old, is it not?

The vendor gets fined, not the kid.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#7 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-09 17:26:42
http://departmentofinternets.com
Neuters don't get fined at all.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#8 by Bailey
2002-05-09 17:44:39
Don't hog the thread!

I've discounted suicide in favor of killing everyone else in the entire world instead.
#9 by Charles
2002-05-09 17:59:06
www.bluh.org
I think this is a good thing.  Might force parents to actually *look* at the games their kids are playing.

And then when the next shooting happens, and people want to blame videogames, we can just retort with "Well, if you buy your kids the games that he isn't allowed to buy himself, then it's your fault, not ours".

Of course, this won't really change all the much, but then again, neither will the law.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#10 by Charles
2002-05-09 17:59:26
www.bluh.org
Oh, and I'm happy that my thread didn't make it in btw, it was stupid anyway.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#11 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-09 17:59:51
http://departmentofinternets.com
I'll hog you!

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#12 by Gabe
2002-05-09 18:26:18
http://www.dartpublishing.com
I'll hog you!

Is that code?
#13 by Greg
2002-05-09 18:26:34
How do they intend to catch people violating this law anyway? In-store narcs?

-RAWWWWWRRRRRR!!! Quit cramping my style, bitch! RAAAAAWWWRRRR!!!
#14 by Charles
2002-05-09 18:27:32
www.bluh.org
Most likely.  Same way they bust people for selling cigarettes and alcohol to minors.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#15 by chris
2002-05-09 18:30:08
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
Oh, so you mean it'll be completely ineffective?

-chris
(who was able to buy smokes at 15 without any significant difficulty)
#16 by Bailey
2002-05-09 18:36:35
You will hog NOTHING!!

You need appropriate porn.
#17 by Charles
2002-05-09 18:40:12
www.bluh.org
Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying chris.

Anyone who thinks this will be effective probably also thinks that laws limit minors' access to booze and cigs.  I've been buying at booze stores since I was 15.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#18 by Ergo
2002-05-09 18:40:55
Group hog!!!

"I want you to remember me just as I am...filled with murderous rage!" --Homer Simpson
#19 by "Balderama"
2002-05-09 18:53:23
support@real.com www.planetcrap.com
you people need help.
#20 by Arach
2002-05-09 18:55:08
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
So we've got another Eyebrow Monster pulling legislation from his ass to buy some support from conservative America? That MUST be a first.

Although, I wouldn't have a problem with the system if a R18+ rating was introduced along side the "index". Simply so gamers older than 17 still had access to well whatever. This would raise of the problem of games being modifed to fit into the Index, like we see in Germany (I think? ;D) at the expense of mature gamers being able to play an uncensored version.

nG!
#21 by Darkseid-D
2002-05-09 19:01:23
rogerboal@hotmail.com
wonder how the age limits would stop the copying/warez scene?


oh thats right, IT WOULDNT.



duhhhhhhhhh

lets legislate that its a bad idea to use gas powered hair tongs as sex toys !


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#22 by Darkseid-D
2002-05-09 19:04:03
rogerboal@hotmail.com
oh and JUST for Warren !

What?



Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#23 by Martin
2002-05-09 20:11:33
http://www.mocol.nu
Shouldn't that be "maladjusted social tendencies" or "maladjusted, asocial tendencies"?

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#24 by jjohnsen
2002-05-09 20:13:42
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I miss Calvin and Hobbes and Bloom County.  In fact, I don't even read the comics section of the newspaper anymore.

jjohnsen's Mighty Mormon M203 O' Murderin'
#25 by Arach
2002-05-09 20:30:41
http://www.ng-gamers.com/
Does any country have a Restricted 18+ rating for games?

nG!
#26 by "Anonymous"
2002-05-09 20:51:53
how are you?
#27 by HoseWater
2002-05-09 20:55:54
barneyque@hotmail.com
a/s/l?

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#28 by The_Joker
2002-05-09 21:57:41
http://www.jackinworld.com
wanna cyber?

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#29 by bago
2002-05-09 22:17:11
manga_Rando@hotmail.com

And then when the next shooting happens, and people want to blame videogames, we can just retort with "Well, if you buy your kids the games that he isn't allowed to buy himself, then it's your fault, not ours".


You expect people to take personal responsibility in a litigous society? HA! I've got accutane and yer all gonna die!

iamelectro
#30 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-09 22:58:49
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Topic:

Only in America!  Oh wait ...

WoT?
#31 by "Mr Nutty"
2002-05-09 23:24:14
misternutty@hotmail.com
Being over 17, I think this is a great law.  You see, if kids can't buy these games, they are more likely to be in stock when I go to buy them the day they are released.  That is good for me.  I like this law.

I also like Rated R movies for a similar reason -- far less noisey annoying teenieboppers to spoil my movie going experience.
#32 by Foodbunny
2002-05-09 23:27:18
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
You mean there are places that actually restrict people going to a rated R movie?  I've been going to see rated R movies with friends (and without adults) since I was 14 he only time I've ever been asked for my ID was when I went to see the South Park movie.

They're cute, they're cuddly and jam shoots out their heads.  I want 'em all!
#33 by "Mr Nutty"
2002-05-10 00:11:32
misternutty@hotmail.com
Foodbunny:

 I think you should get a stearn talking-to from your parents.

 In the absence of that, I think we should pass laws prohibiting people under 21 from doing everything I like to do.
#34 by HoseWater
2002-05-10 00:16:38
barneyque@hotmail.com
Why stop there?  I suggest we bump it up to 35.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#35 by BobJustBob
2002-05-10 00:21:54
The damn theater here in town wouldn't let me in to see T2. I had to see City Slickers instead. :/
#36 by Ashiran
2002-05-10 00:26:26
You will hog NOTHING!!

I see you are reinforcing the link to the character Bailey.

Good! Now the only thing left to do is changing your icon to the pink jadedness that is you!

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil." Psalm 23
#37 by jjohnsen
2002-05-10 01:07:57
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I also like Rated R movies for a similar reason -- far less noisey annoying teenieboppers to spoil my movie going experience.


I had a pack of teenagers sitting in the theater with me at Black Hawk Down, that spent 20-30 minutes telling each other what movies the cute boys had been in before that one.

jjohnsen's Mighty Mormon M203 O' Murderin'
#38 by jjohnsen
2002-05-10 01:08:26
http://www.johnsenclan.com
And it was R, I guess you need that info to make in pertinant to the above statements.

jjohnsen's Mighty Mormon M203 O' Murderin'
#39 by bishop
2002-05-10 01:13:09
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
That's when you report them as being underaged in the movie with no parental guidance.

May the end of the world be warm and smoldering.
At least for some of you.
#40 by jjohnsen
2002-05-10 01:16:16
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Then I miss some shootin'  sigh.... I guess its a trade-off.

jjohnsen's Mighty Mormon M203 O' Murderin'
#41 by Darkseid-D
2002-05-10 01:18:50
rogerboal@hotmail.com
HONK!


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#42 by "Mr Nutty"
2002-05-10 01:20:54
misternutty@hotmail.com
Well, if those kids are getting into R rated movies I think we need to give the law some teeth.  Or rather, a big stick.  I'm all for the government caning kids, ala Singapore.  Getting caught sneaking into an R rated movie ought to be worth a good 5 smacks with the cane.

Especially if they are the type of giggly teenybopper that wont shut the goddamn fucking hell up when I'm trying to watch the goddamn fucking movie, goddamn it.

Yes, I'm a grumpy old man at 28.  

But joking aside, when I go to movies on opening weekend I tend to have a MUCH better experience when the movie is rated R, just because it filters out all these punk kids.  And yes its true, sometimes there are grown adults who can't keep their big flapper shut at a movie theater too...But they are much less common than the kid folk who wont shut up.
#43 by HoseWater
2002-05-10 01:29:25
barneyque@hotmail.com
And when you get just a bit older, you will learn the ways of the wise, and buy a big ass TV, hook it up to a big ass sound system, plop a big ass chair in fron of it all, and sit down with a big ass bowl of popcorn, and be done with it.

Not much beats having the remote control and the ability to throw people out on their ass when watching a feature.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#44 by "Mr Nutty"
2002-05-10 01:39:43
misternutty@hotmail.com
Yeah but then you need to wait a long time to see the movie, or else uh...nevermind, we don't need another warez thread.

In any case, I do actually like the basic social aspect of movie theaters.  Seeing a movie with a crowd is...different, and in many ways better, assuming the crowd isn't filled with insensitive assholes, which sadly seems to rapidly becoming the norm.
#45 by HoseWater
2002-05-10 01:50:00
barneyque@hotmail.com
Disregarding the prices, the crowd, is the single worst part of the movie theater, though the seats do give it a stiff challenge for the title.

1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#46 by Foodbunny
2002-05-10 01:52:27
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
The only movie I have ever been rowdy at was Crow 2 and that was because my friends and I were literally the only people in the theater and because goddamn that movie sucked.  I am not generally a rowdy, loud, or giggly person and I don't enjoy bothering people who aren't bothering me.

They're cute, they're cuddly and jam shoots out their heads.  I want 'em all!
#47 by "Mr Nutty"
2002-05-10 02:05:36
misternutty@hotmail.com
Anyone naive enough to be tricked into seeing The Crow 2 at a theatre should have to watch it 10 times in stone silence!

The Crow was great, but c'mon wasn't it obvious the sequel was going to suck?
#48 by Foodbunny
2002-05-10 02:10:08
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Yes.  But one of my friends wanted to see it so we all had to go.

They're cute, they're cuddly and jam shoots out their heads.  I want 'em all!
#49 by Charles
2002-05-10 02:20:44
www.bluh.org
Extremely bad movies can be as much fun as good movies, with a group of friends and some witty commentary.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#50 by Chris Johnson
2002-05-10 02:59:29
In the absence of that, I think we should pass laws prohibiting people under 21 from doing everything I like to do.


I think we should pass laws prohibiting people under the age of 21.  Period.

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him.  That's what it comes to. He should want to kill me because I want to kill him. But I still love him."  -Mike Tyson, waxing philosophic about Lennox Lewis.
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