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FPS -- Is there anything left to uncover?
April 21st 2002, 14:53 CEST by ADoomedMarine

Back in the days First Person Shooters were basically a "get a key to unlock the next door" type of affair and now we actually have objectives.  Team based shooters have rised and developers are creating their games so that the public can help via modifications.

But what else is their left to uncover?  Sure there could be enhancements in the graphics and interactivity but what features can we expect in the future that will leave us saying "Wow, I never thought it would be possible".

Is there a limit and one day will we see all games exactly alike?
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#1 by KookieMonsta
2002-04-21 15:02:29
first post!
#2 by LPMiller
2002-04-21 15:07:36
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
No, there is nothing left. EOD!!!

Will warez for food.
#3 by devttys0
2002-04-21 15:07:46
http://www.planetcrap.com/
So, about those ravers...

I don't think anyone has marketed warez at a rave party, time to setup a focus group.
#4 by Neale
2002-04-21 15:39:36
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
Personally, I think proper co-op is the Next Big Thing. I'd love to see a game that you go through with friends (or AI bots) against AI hordes, where each player (or groups thereof) can split off to perform different objectives. Add something like SOF2's much-vaunted random mission generator, and you've got the makings of something pretty special. In addition to the stuff I'm working on for an upcoming game, I'm working on the design for exactly such a game.

Eradicators! - www.eradicators.co.uk
#5 by Martin
2002-04-21 15:43:08
http://www.mocol.nu
Second the co-op motion. All in favor?

-- Martin
Enough with giving away love. Now I'm sad and lonely. I need a hug.
#6 by merlin
2002-04-21 15:43:58
ahmeds@outgun.com
I think we have just scratched the surface.

JK2 (I'm talking multiplayer here) has a lot of cool, somewhat innovative features. Great style, good execution: Joy, joy feeling all around.

OT: Morn, using Opera 6.0 + WinXP, 'am having trouble logging in, posting, browsing, you name it. Know about this?
#7 by merlin
2002-04-21 15:48:23
ahmeds@outgun.com
Yep, co-op is always cool. Serious Sam rocked my boat, and NOLF 2 is heading in that direction, I hear. Dungeon Siege co-op was not that great though - that game left a funny taste in my mouth...
#8 by m0nty
2002-04-21 15:50:51
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Shortest. Topic. Ever.
#9 by Matthew Gallant
2002-04-21 16:04:31
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Morn, using Opera 6.0 + WinXP, 'am having trouble logging in, posting, browsing, you name it. Know about this?


1. There is a link on every page for reporting bugs. Right near the top there. It's in bold and a different color, even.

2. I can pretty much guarantee that your settings for security in Opera are to blame, and they're not letting the cookies get set or read (it could also be a bug in Opera, and not your fault at all). The method for setting and reading cookies is simple and is invariant in regards to what browser you're using.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#10 by Greg
2002-04-21 16:08:02
Speaking of web browsers, unless you are very concerned about some bug Microsoft put in to IE, why should you be using anything else on Windows?  You know, resistance is futile and all that.

Greg

-Swallow it all and be glad, for a shilling I've paid and a shilling's worth I'll be having!
#11 by merlin
2002-04-21 16:09:44
ahmeds@outgun.com
Matthew:

Know about the 'bug report' link. But as I pointed out, I cannot do any browsing either, I click on Submission Bin, voila - back to the main page, click on Archive, Users, etc., back to the main page. Same prob with the 'report bugs here' link.

Works fine in Mozilla, btw.
#12 by merlin
2002-04-21 16:12:25
ahmeds@outgun.com
Greg:

I love Opera, great usability.
#13 by Matthew Gallant
2002-04-21 16:13:11
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Please don't try to turn this into a browser advocacy thread. I'd really rather have another warez thread. Honestly.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#14 by Greg
2002-04-21 16:14:49
Warez is so 80s.

Greg

-Swallow it all and be glad, for a shilling I've paid and a shilling's worth I'll be having!
#15 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-21 16:16:19
http://departmentofinternets.com
Use Opera™; It Doesn't Work, But At Least It's Not Made By Microsoft.  The Complete Inability To Do Jack Shit Has Never Been So Morally Pure!  So Stick It To The Man, Use Opera.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#16 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-21 16:17:51
http://departmentofinternets.com
Browser wars are so 1998.  Plus, they're Nazis.























PS. Use Internet Explorer.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#17 by Matthew Gallant
2002-04-21 16:21:09
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Same prob with the 'report bugs here' link.

Works fine in Mozilla, btw.


Well then report the "bug" using the provided link with Mozilla then, a-durrrr. I mean the next time, of course, Senor Pebkac.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#18 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-21 16:25:52
supersimon33@hotmail.com
leslie nassar is the new browser nazi's

I like it leng. And I like my leng leu, not chai.
#19 by merlin
2002-04-21 16:28:13
ahmeds@outgun.com
No really, Opera is cool. I have nothing against Microsoft, love XP.
#20 by merlin
2002-04-21 16:30:40
ahmeds@outgun.com
Damn! I mean XP sucks, down with M$.

Whew! That was close.
#21 by Bailey
2002-04-21 16:50:58
Quick question for the donkey-tech savvy minded sorts: I had a little crash with the donkey the other day, and now when I try to fire up the bot (after multiple reboots) it delivers the message "The bot could not retrieve the server list, would you like to try again?" and then XP goes blargh and crashes the whole thing.

Any ideas on fixing this little bug? It's not one I'm familiar with, unfortunately.

Stuck flat smack dab in the middle of a century with nothing to lose.
#22 by WeeMadArthur
2002-04-21 16:52:53
smarteyman@interia.pl
But isn't the bot supposed not to work since yesterday?

Kittens fucking burn.
#23 by Bailey
2002-04-21 16:54:12
I... was not aware of this little factoid. Details? Linkage?

Stuck flat smack dab in the middle of a century with nothing to lose.
#24 by merlin
2002-04-21 16:58:07
ahmeds@outgun.com
Yeah the bot is not supposed to work, they are doing some network tests, determining the impact of the bot on the donkey n/w, etc.
#25 by merlin
2002-04-21 17:00:24
ahmeds@outgun.com
They say as much in a dialog box just before the bot crashes, don't you get that bit of info?
.
.
.

Apparently, the dialog box is now gone, it was there this morning...
#26 by Bailey
2002-04-21 17:00:47
In that case, network testers are the new people on my shit list.

Stuck flat smack dab in the middle of a century with nothing to lose.
#27 by WeeMadArthur
2002-04-21 17:01:48
smarteyman@interia.pl
www.file-finder.com
Although it's supposed to crash, not be unable to connect to anything. Perhaps some installations don't crash, but the servers with the server list are unavailable or something.

Kittens fucking burn.
#28 by merlin
2002-04-21 17:04:53
ahmeds@outgun.com
I hope they don't determine that the bot is detrimental to the network and then decide to, gulp, discontinue it.
#29 by ADoomedMarine
2002-04-21 17:17:21
http://www.planetmaxpayne.com/
maybe I should have written "Internet Browsers -- Is there anything left to uncover?"

heh :P
#30 by Charles
2002-04-21 17:50:20
www.bluh.org
It would have been a more intelligent topic.

"Is there anything left to uncover?"

Geebuz, you didn't do much other than watch TV as a child did you?  Not much imagination of your own, huh?

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#31 by m0nty
2002-04-21 17:53:23
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
PlanetCrap: for all your eDonkeybot helpdesk support needs.
#32 by VeeSPIKE
2002-04-21 18:04:48
Thinking...
#33 by VeeSPIKE
2002-04-21 18:04:56
Second the co-op motion. All in favor?


Aye.

and cross-game support, particularly for war games and simulations; e.g. FPS coupled to aircraft sim coupled to naval warfare sim.
#34 by jjohnsen
2002-04-21 18:05:35
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I have the bot running right now, no problems.

Warez is naughty, saving your game is a personal choice and the coffee was just too damn hot.
#35 by Warren Marshall
2002-04-21 18:08:57
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Well, look at it this way : until Deus Ex or Thief came out, nobody thought of those things.  There's new ground to cover, we just don't know what it is.  In time ...

WoT?
#36 by Rambar
2002-04-21 18:09:17
Thinking...

--
Rambar
#37 by Rambar
2002-04-21 18:09:21
I love that Thinking...

It's brilliant.

--
Rambar
#38 by Bailey
2002-04-21 18:10:38
jjohnsen

When was the last time you shut it down? I think it only needs to retrieve the server list if it's been offlined post D-Day.

Stuck flat smack dab in the middle of a century with nothing to lose.
#39 by Martin
2002-04-21 18:38:29
http://www.mocol.nu
It's hard to say what's next without a good knowledge of what can be done as far as tech and gameplay goes. Bailey described a MMOG in another thread some time ago that I'd love to play but there is no way in hell that it'll ever see that light of day, mostly because the tech isn't there. I think that the same can be said for FPS's.

I'm not to sure that there is all that much to add to the FPS genre, a lot of good stuff has been done and can be done again, hopefully a bit refined though. What I would like is for tech to evolve, not just grow. I don't need higher resolutions or higher frames per second. I want something that can provide me with proper feedback, triggering all my senses, not just part of my vision and my hearing. I want a screen that shows me 360 degrees of the environment, I want to be able to use my limbs as I would in real life and not rely on my mouse and keyboard, I want smells and I want true positional audio. And I want a cheese helmet.

Until we get tech that can deliver a "bigger" experience it might be hard to evolve the FPS genre beyond what we have today.

Just a thought.

-- Martin
Enough with giving away love. Now I'm sad and lonely. I need a hug.
#40 by Ashiran
2002-04-21 18:41:51
More co-op SP please.

That is all.

Civilized barcode, quick id.
#41 by Bailey
2002-04-21 19:05:50
Martin

Bailey described a MMOG in another thread some time ago that I'd love to play but there is no way in hell that it'll ever see that light of day, mostly because the tech isn't there.

Like every other jackass on the planet, I've got a design doc, and all those wants and needs have been incorporated into said document. It's in a sealed oversized manila envelope with big red letters on the front saying "WORLD'S GREATEST MMOG: DO NOT OPEN UNTIL 2010", surrounded by a bunch of very professional Hello Kitty stickers. So I've got eight years to get into the industry, garner a few million dollars, and form a crack(baby) development team! How hard can it possibly be?

Ashiran

Co-op SP? Like Daikatana? Or co-op SP like Serious Sam?

What would Jesus warez?
#42 by "sepultufart"
2002-04-21 19:08:38
sepultufart@yahoo.com http://www.mp3.com/sepultufart
Not that I enjoy proving people stupid on every turn, I hate it because they're not, but there is a small blunder here:

…features can we expect in the future that will leave us saying "Wow, I never thought it would be possible".

Kind of beats the point of your own question… How can we talk/know about it, if in the future we will realize it we never though/knew of it, in the past (hence now…)
EXAMPLE:
In the future we will have shooters with dead goats!





 [FUTURE] Wow it’s the future, I never though of them, dead goats in shooters… even 6 lines earlier!

Another thing:

Serious Sam rocked my boat

What? I thought it seriously sucked! They said Spherical-shaped structures of levels to compete with halo, but there was none of that…. And for the load of monsters experience just pick some old game from the cellar and make a map cranked up with them… Ok, they had the decency to make it cheap, though...
#43 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-21 19:10:44
www.verbalchilli.com
On Topic:

Deus Ex has proved that there is depth to the genre, not that any game has really taken up the mantle since. It's a pity, but there are so many games that have come out since then and are coming out that stick to the corridor+gun combination, and don't actually try to involve the player in decision making. There's much more ground to cover in FPS, that much is obvious, but whether developers will pull there finger out and actually take the plunge any time soon is a different matter.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#44 by WeeMadArthur
2002-04-21 19:17:52
smarteyman@interia.pl
Or Global Operations - co-op SP with bots.

Kittens fucking burn.
#45 by jjohnsen
2002-04-21 19:27:02
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Bailey,
 I shut it down a couple of days ago, so maybe I missed the daeline.  So you're saying I should restart anytime soon?

Warez is naughty, saving your game is a personal choice and the coffee was just too damn hot.
#46 by jjohnsen
2002-04-21 19:28:28
http://www.johnsenclan.com
shouldn't restart, shouldn't

Warez is naughty, saving your game is a personal choice and the coffee was just too damn hot.
#47 by Union Carbide
2002-04-21 19:32:56
Unfortunately, it looks like killing the bot saved the network.

Una salus victus nullam sperare salutem
#48 by LPMiller
2002-04-21 19:40:15
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Well, I imagine the bot will stick around, just without fast find which seemed to be the major problem. As long as they keep the server update I'll be happy.

Will warez for food.
#49 by jjohnsen
2002-04-21 19:51:26
http://www.johnsenclan.com
O.k. I just had to restart and you were right it screwed up the bot, so I'm with the rest of you now.

Warez is naughty, saving your game is a personal choice and the coffee was just too damn hot.
#50 by Bezzy
2002-04-21 19:54:39
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
Bear in mind, TIE Fighter was an FPS.

If you're saying "Is there anything more we can do with first person perspective and a gun and a lone soldier and hordes of enemies and and and something else really specific" then duh. Ofcourse there's nothing left to do.

If you're merely talking about the presentation of a game (any game) using the First Person, then there's a wealth of things going on.

I'm privy to a few projects that I can't mention which should hopefully make a few major paradigm shifts, rather than sticking to this bored, tired formula of Health and Ammo Management + Save/Load cycling.

Operation Flashpoint is a good example of where FPS games can go - big and expansive, rather than a tube through which you must past to get to the next plot piece. Sure, in OFP there's still a start and a finish to every level, but you can do shitting anything to achieve your objective. Find a chopper, shoot its guards and nick it, even if it's 10 miles away from the radar array you have to destroy. The interval between required criterior for the player to accomplish is fairly big, whereas in a typical JK2 or SOF2 the next mini objective (kill the guard, flick the switch) is a few feet away from the last one. Widening the range of possibility between set objectives means that the designer has less narrative control, but then these are games, where the player's narrative control over the game is a desired currency (unto the point where the game has no goal and becomes a toy?). If you want narrative control, just work in films or writing. For me, game design is about making interesting domains of rules for a player to explore. It's not about forcing a player to work through a set plot.

Dood, JK2's multiplayer is not that great.

Sick and tired and not impressed with shoehorning art into a profitable industry.
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