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Bugging me, bugging you. (Aha...)
May 26th 2000, 12:29 CEST by andy

What is the worst software bug ever?



You know how there are some bugs that are just so incredible, even though you know you should be annoyed about them you just can't help laughing?

Gaming bugs of this ilk that spring to mind are the Half-Life uninstaller that nuked entire hard-drives, versions of two level editors (Worldcraft and q3radiant) that saved corrupt map files, the Messiah demo that started with five minutes of black screen, and Monolith's... games.

Going back a while, an Amiga magazine once gave every reader a free copy of the James Bond game Licence To Kill... but it was corrupted, putting the publisher out of business. Or how about the Leisure Suit Larry game that came with its very own virus? And personally I'm still bitter about every 8-bit magazine cover-tape because none of the damn things ever worked.

But what is the worst software flaw ever? What piece of software can be held up as the all-time classic example of a development clusterfuck? I'm looking for the most stupid, most destructive, must unbelievable bug or flaw that some poor sap of a user has ever had the misfortune of running into.

Here's my nomination for the 'Crap hall of shame...

When you buy a Hewlett Packard CD writer, the burning software supplied is DirectCD. Not a bad little utility - it installs easily, sits patiently in your system tray, doesn't crash, doesn't trash any other programs, and can safely be removed without bombing Windows.

Everything you can do with Direct CD is nicely documented and you can be walked through it step by step with wizards. It is a shining example of 'friendly' software. It's polite and courteous. It helps you out. It looks after you. It's... your friend.

In fact, DirectCD can do everything you could ever possibly want it to do. Apart from one small thing.

It can't burn CD's.

Yep, in another stunning victory for Quality Assurance teams everywhere, Hewlett Packard's CD burning software doesn't know how to burn a CD. It tries to burn it, and at first glance you might even think it has burnt it, but you just try using any of those files and see what happens.

For a start, forget about executables - integrity checks fail so software won't install. Fancy making yourself an MP3 collection? Uh oh, listen to all that popping and distortion. And how about the porn lovers out there? Bad news - pictures will be corrupted and video files won't play properly.

Can you imagine what it would be like for some warez/mp3/porn junkie when he burns himself a brand new CD, deletes the stuff off his hard disc and then realises that he's lost it all forever? Well it's bloody annoying, I can tell you.

You see, unlike 'proper' burning software, Direct CD integrates itself with Windows Explorer. So instead of first preparing a list of files for your CD as you would with, say, Nero, you have to select all the files in Explorer, right-click, and use the "Send To DirectCD" menu command.

When burning a CD it is vital to maintain a data buffer so there is always something waiting to be written, right up until the very last byte. This is something that DirectCD doesn't seem overly concerned with, so data being written will have gaps, hence the files becoming distorted.

So then, gathered masses, beat that. Any software, old or new, that just makes you shake your head and think what the hell were these guys thinking of? Let's hear it...

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#1 by "jon"
2000-05-26 12:35:31
the "changelevel2" bug in counter strike which crashes the damn server
#2 by "Prodigy"
2000-05-26 12:47:20
prodigy@gamedata.com http://www.gamedata.com
When IE crashes right in a middle of a download, or while you're writing the most fabulous post ever on Planetcrap...<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#3 by "Tom (cyberfart)"
2000-05-26 13:07:14
tom187@dingoblue.net.au http://www.rtsplayers.org
I know! I know!

Wheel of Time of course!

"Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>Icons on the scoreboard will now display the proper background color (according to skin) for each player.
</QUOTE>

lol, sorry, couldnt resist :)

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#4 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-05-26 13:09:22
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net/
GameSpy.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#5 by "Happy cow"
2000-05-26 14:09:58
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
Quake 3 Arena, they shipped it with out a game inside. What an over sight.

Happy Cow (Feeling a bit better today thank you)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "G-Man"
2000-05-26 14:14:59
jonmars@shiftlock.org http://www.shiftlock.org
Andy DirectCD is a packet-writer... that is essentially how it is designed to work. You do NOT use a <a href="http://www.adaptec.com/products/faqs/directcd.html">packet-writer</a> to burn achival cds, you use it as temperoray storage like a zip disk, or to defeat certain methods of copy protection (e.g. invalid sectors, checksums)

I'd say users are still the biggest bugs in town.

 - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#7 by "Avixe"
2000-05-26 14:29:02
jsg@fiam.net
Amen to GameSpy. It crashes EVERY SINGLE TIME I've exited it for years. Even going to different computers, it still does.
#8 by "Desiato"
2000-05-26 14:30:34
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com
Then explain why packet-writing capable CD writers are recommended everywhere for incremental AND permanent storage?

I don't think I've heard of packet ONLY writers.

Desiato
#9 by "Happy cow"
2000-05-26 14:38:50
happycow30@hotmail.com http://happycow.home.icq.com
Game spy sucks. Ping tool is much better and free (my favorite price) <a href="http://www.pingtool.com">www.pingtool.com</a><I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#10 by "Darkseid-D"
2000-05-26 15:00:50
Darkseid-D@planetcrap.com http://www.clanvvv.co.uk
Biggest bug ...

Hrm, BIOS ... 'Keyboard not detected, press F1 to continue'

oh and for your entertainment, I present probably the funniest thing Ive _ever_ read on slashdot (gotta be a /. or linux weenie to get most of them)

2.5 million B.C.: OOG the Open Source Caveman develops the axe and releases it under the GPL. The axe quickly gains popularity as a means of crushing moderators' heads.
100,000 B.C.: Man domesticates the AIBO.

10,000 B.C.: Civilization begins when early farmers first learn to cultivate hot grits.

3000 B.C.: Sumerians develop a primitive cuneiform perl script.

2920 B.C.: A legendary flood sweeps Slashdot, filling up a Borland / Inprise story with hundreds of offtopic posts.

1750 B.C.: Hammurabi, a Mesopotamian king, codifies the first EULA.

490 B.C.: Greek city-states unite to defeat the Persians. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the Greeks "get it".

399 B.C.: Socrates is convicted of impiety. Despite the efforts of freesocrates.com, he is forced to kill himself by drinking hemlock.

336 B.C.: Fat-Time Charlie becomes King of Macedonia and conquers Persia.

4 B.C.: Following the Star (as in hot young actress) of Bethelem, wise men travel from far away to troll for baby Jesus.

A.D. 476: The Roman Empire BSODs.

A.D. 610: The Glorious MEEPT!! founds Islam after receiving a revelation from God. Following his disappearance from Slashdot in 632, a succession dispute results in the emergence of two troll factions: the Pythonni and the Perliites.

A.D. 800: Charlemagne conquers nearly all of Germany, only to be acquired by andover.net.

A.D. 874: Linus the Red discovers Iceland.

A.D. 1000: The epic of the Beowulf Cluster is written down. It is the first English epic poem.

A.D. 1095: Pope Bruce II calls for a crusade against the Turks when it is revealed they are violating the GPL. Later investigation reveals that Pope Bruce II had not yet contacted the Turks before calling for the crusade.

A.D. 1215: Bowing to pressure to open-source the British government, King John signs the Magna Carta, limiting the British monarchy's power. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1348: The ILOVEYOU virus kills over half the population of Europe. (The other half was not using Outlook.)

A.D. 1420: Johann Gutenberg invents the printing press. He is immediately sued by monks claiming that the technology will promote the copying of hand-transcribed books, thus violating the church's intellectual property.

A.D. 1429: Natalie Portman of Arc gathers an army of Slashdot trolls to do battle with the moderators. She is eventually tried as a heretic and stoned (as in petrified).

A.D. 1478: The Catholic Church partners with doubleclick.net to launch the Spanish Inquisition. A.D. 1492: Christopher Columbus arrives in what he believes to be "India", but which RMS informs him is actually "GNU/India".

A.D. 1508-12: Michaelengelo attempts to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling with ASCII art, only to have his plan thwarted by the "Lameness Filter."

A.D. 1517: Martin Luther nails his 95 Theses to the church door and is promptly moderated down to (-1, Flamebait).

A.D. 1553: "Bloody" Mary ascends the throne of England and begins an infamous crusade against Protestants. ESR eats his words.

A.D. 1588: The "IF I EVER MEET YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS" guy meets the Spanish Armada.

A.D. 1603: Tokugawa Ieyasu unites the feuding pancake-eating ninjas of Japan.

A.D. 1611: Mattel adds Galileo Galilei to its CyberPatrol block list for proposing that the Earth revolves around the sun.

A.D. 1688: In the so-called "Glorious Revolution", King James II is bloodlessly forced out of power and flees to France. ESR again triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1692: Anti-GIF hysteria in the New World comes to a head in the infamous "Salem GIF Trials", in which 20 alleged GIFs are burned at the stake. Later investigation reveals that mayn of the supposed GIFs were actually PNGs.

A.D. 1769: James Watt patents the one-click steam engine.

A.D. 1776: Trolls, angered by CmdrTaco's passage of the Moderation Act, rebel. After a several-year flame war, the trolls succeed in seceding from Slashdot and forming the United Coalition of Trolls.

A.D. 1789: The French Revolution begins with a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on the Bastille.

A.D. 1799: Attempts at discovering Egyptian hieroglyphs receive a major boost when Napoleon's troops discover the Rosetta stone. Sadly, the stone is quickly outlawed under the DMCA as an illegal means of circumventing encryption.

A.D. 1844: Samuel Morse invents Morse code. Cryptography export restrictions prevent the telegraph's use outside the U.S. and Canada.

A.D. 1853: United States Commodore Matthew C. Perry arrives in Japan and forces the xenophobic nation to open its doors to foreign trade. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Japan finally "gets it".

A.D. 1865: President Lincoln is 'bitchslapped.' The nation mourns.

A.D. 1901: Italian inventor Guglielmo Marcoli first demonstrates the radio. Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich immediately delivers to Marcoli a list of 335,435 suspected radio users.

A.D. 1911: Facing a break-up by the United States Supreme Court, Standard Oil Co. defends its "freedom to innovate" and proposes numerous rejected settlements. Slashbots mock the company as "Standa~1" and depict John D. Rockefeller as a member of the Borg.

A.D. 1929: V.A. Linux's stock drops over 200 dollars on "Black Tuesday", October 29th.

A.D. 1945: In the secret Manhattan Project, scientists working in Los Alamos, New Mexico, construct a nuclear bomb from Star Wars Legos.

A.D. 1948: Slashdot runs the infamous headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN." Shamefaced, the site quickly retracts the story when numerous readers point out that it is not news for nerds, stuff that matters.

A.D. 1965: Jon Katz delivers his famous "I Have A Post-Hellmouth Dream" speech, which stated: "I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the geeks of former slaves and the geeks of former slave geeks will be able to sit down together at the table of geeks... I have a dream that my geek little geeks will one geek live in a nation where they will not be geeked by the geek of their geek but by the geek of their geek."

A.D. 1969: Neil Armstrong becomes the first man to set foot on the moon. His immortal words: "FIRST MOONWALK!!!"

A.D. 1970: Ohio National Guardsmen shoot four students at Kent State University for "Internet theft".

A.D. 1989: The United States invades Panama to capture renowned "hacker" Manual Noriega, who is suspected of writing the DeCSS utility.

A.D. 1990: West Germany and East Germany reunite after 45 years of separation. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Germany "gets it".

A.D. 1994: As years of apartheid rule finally end, Nelson Mandela is elected president of South Africa. ESR is sick, and sadly misses his chance to triumphantly proclaim that South Africa "gets it".

A.D. 1997: Slashdot reports that Scottish scientists have succeeded in cloning a female sheep named Dolly. Numerous readers complain that if they had wanted information on the latest sheep releases, they would have just gone to freshsheep.net

A.D. 1999: Miramax announces Don Knotts to play hacker Emmanuel Goldstein in upcoming movie "Takedown"


Ps Linux Weenie is the same level as Windoze (childish isnt it ... but OH so fun)

new board humming along at 1.05GHz .... HANG ON .. dont Microwave frequencys start ... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *RUNS AROUND PANIC STRICKEN*

Ds
#11 by "Darkseid-D"
2000-05-26 15:13:55
Darkseid-D@planetcrap.com http://www.clanvvv.co.uk
another bad joke ...... courtesy of me killing time before I go for my review :)

The seven dwarfs go to the Vatican, and because they are THE seven dwarfs, they are ushered in to see the Pope. Dopey leads the pack.

"Dopey, my son," says the Pope, "What can I do for you?"

Dopey asks,  "Excuse me, your Excellency, but are there any dwarf nuns in Rome?"

The Pope wrinkles his brow at the odd question, thinks for a moment and answers,

"No, Dopey, there are no dwarf nun in Rome."

In the background, a few of the dwarfs start giggling.

Dopey turns around and gives them a glare, silencing them.

Dopey turns back, "Your Worship, are there any dwarf nuns in all of Europe?"  

The Pope, puzzled now, again thinks for a moment and then answers,

"No,Dopey, there are no dwarf nuns in Europe."  

This time, all of the other dwarfs burst into laughter. Once again, Dopey turns around and silences them with an angry glare.

Dopey turns back and says,"Mr. Pope! Are there ANY dwarf nuns anywhere in the world?

"I'm sorry, my son, there are no dwarf nuns anywhere in the world."  

The other dwarfs collapse into a heap, rolling and laughing, pounding the floor,tears rolling down their cheeks as they begin chanting...........

"Dopey screwed a penguin! Dopey screwed a penguin!".

(Anyone want to be the penguins name was Tux ....)


Ds
#12 by "KungFu"
2000-05-26 15:47:41
kungfu@telefragged.com http://www.telefragged.com
Hey don't forget SiN! Although Activision was to blame in that case. They released an early version that Ritual sent to them, that wasn't even intend to be a release canidate, just so they could get it out a few days before Half-Life. Also I think Messiah rates pretty highly, it feature a great memory leak bug that would eat your ram up everytime you load a saved game (which was pretty darn often with that frustrating piece o'crap), after around 10 reloads my system would just lock. Also the GeForce T&L crap was pretty awful too...the skins would be completly screwed...and Bob had no torso or head! Anyone remember Frontier 2? That follow up to Elite that didn't even feature the last third of the game...it was obviously so buggy they figured that you would give up half way through the game and wouldn't notice they didn't even finish it.
#13 by "Bad_CRC"
2000-05-26 15:50:27
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~badcrc/
windows.   :)
 
Most microsoft products from about 1991 - 1998 were crap  (I should know, since I have to report the garbage, I have to deal with their bugs every damn day).  they are getting a lot better recently, but have a ways to go, especially considering the billions in revenue these products generate.



<quote>Can you imagine what it would be like for some warez/mp3/porn junkie when he burns himself a brand new CD, deletes the stuff off    his hard disc and then realises that he's lost it all forever? Well it's bloody annoying, I can tell you.</quote>

rofl.  always nice to hear why an article is posted here.
 


<b>the buggiest program I've seen in a while is Unreal.   That sucked pretty hard, and they wouldn't fix it cause they were working on their next product.    But, as has been proven, customers will take an ass-reaming and come back for more, cash in hand.</b>
#14 by "Avixe"
2000-05-26 16:08:49
jsg@fiam.net
Not buggy, but freaking annoying, is the software that comes with some Kodak digital cameras. Called PhotoMax SE, it features a licensing agreement without an OK button. It pops up every time you open the program, and you can click "Don't Show Me This Again," but there's no OK button so it makes no difference! Ha ha haa!
#15 by "loonyboi"
2000-05-26 16:11:14
jason@loonygames.com http://www.bluesnews.com
My nominations for the worst bugs ever:

- The Myth II 1.0 uninstaller would basically do a deltree, so if you installed it to anything other than \program files\myth ii\ you'd loose everything. Example: install it to C:\games and watch as all your games get nuked.

Woops.

- Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf shipped with a quicktime movie of The Spirit of Christmas on the CD. Somehow it was in a local directory that got copied to the gold master. It's not a bug, but it's pretty damn funny. :)

-jason<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "Paperchase"
2000-05-26 16:20:56
fdsa http://fdsa
The worst bug ever? Daikatana retail version.
#17 by "Nighthawk"
2000-05-26 16:26:43
dflor@mach3.com http://www.planethalflife.com/mach3/
- In my own mod "PainRift" for Quake II, the uninstaller would remove Quake II as well, forcing people to "...buy it and return it again...".

- The latest Hewlett Packard PCs came with NT4 drivers for their network cards that would INSTANTLY blue screen crash the system, regardless of what rev of NT4 Workstation or Server you installed. It crashes to blue when you install the driver, it crashes to blue when you reboot, and it crashes to blue on VGA mode. You actually have to boot 98 and manually delete the driver. If you've created an NTFS partition, you're basically screwed.

- The old classic Windows 3.1 calculator: 1.01 - 1.0 = 0.09999999875.
#18 by "Fyrewolf"
2000-05-26 17:05:55
<quote>When you buy a Hewlett Packard CD writer, the burning software supplied is DirectCD.</quote>

Andy, you forgot something else.  HP CD Writers come with Adaptec Easy CD Creator as well as DirectCD, so it's not like you can't burn CDs.

I do agree that DirectCD sucked.  I burned the Carmageddon II demo on a CD-RW, then copied it to another computer, and it was corrupted (wouldn't even run).  I use the CD Creator now, and I haven't had any problems since.

I think Ultima 9 has to be the buggest software that has come out recently.  Even after the receiving the new CD, and trying it on a new, faster computer, it still doesn't run very well.

I always liked the story about the game Impossible Mission, which appearent has one version (for the Apple I think) that had a glitch making the game impossible to win.  The story may be apocryphal though.

What does disturb me is that I've been having some problems with Playstation games lately.  My copy of FFVIII did not work and had to be exchanged.  Both Star Ocean II and Wild Arms II crashed on me (although only once each).  And Grandia regularly had the sound drop out during battles.  I recently got a new PSX, so some (but definately not all) of these problems may have been related to the old hardware I was using.  However, I can't help but remember how my first Playstation cost me $300, and my last only costs $99.  I know they've been able to decrease their costs quite a bit, but I'm also worried that maybe they're not using the highest quality chips and hardware anymore.  Or maybe I shouldn't keep my Playstation sitting on my radiator (just kidding).

f.
#19 by "Frijoles"
2000-05-26 17:10:16
<quote>Can you imagine what it would be like for some warez/mp3/porn junkie when he burns himself a brand new CD, deletes the stuff off his hard disc and then realises that he's lost it all forever? Well it's bloody annoying, I can tell you.</quote>

You're confused, Andy. That's the anti-pirate feature kicking in.

Frij
#20 by "(-)Ions"
2000-05-26 17:19:58
Personally, I was amused as hell when I saw that the Daikatana demo didn't even have an icon.  

"Hrmm... I'm forgetting something... can't remember what.  Oh well, release the demo."

I tend to think of it as a harbinger of things to come with DK.

(-)Ions<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#21 by "loonyboi"
2000-05-26 17:37:20
jason@loonygames.com http://www.bluesnews.com
<b>#18</b> "Fyrewolf" wrote...
<QUOTE>I can't help but remember how my first Playstation cost me $300, and my last only costs $99. I know they've been able to decrease their costs quite a bit, but I'm also worried that maybe they're not using the highest quality chips and hardware anymore. Or maybe I shouldn't keep my Playstation sitting on my radiator (just kidding). </QUOTE>

The original Playstations used to have overheating problems...the newer ones should be just fine. I've never had a Playstation game freeze on me...I've had a couple of Dreamcast games crash (including the web browser) and even a few N64 games, but never any problems with my PSX.

-jason<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#22 by "Desiato"
2000-05-26 17:43:55
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com
I was watching a friend play Shogo, and in one of the missons when you are on foot -- you have to traverse some water filled sewers as you make your way out of an enemy infested complex.

Well, he's walking along and -- I kid you not -- the edge of the "water" is offset from the wall of the tube by about 5-6 inches. (Just judging visually, whatever that equates to in world units.)

You've got to be kidding me that they didn't see that one.

I can see the conversation now:

Level Designer: Cool, final compile!! I'm done!

QA Tester: Okay...what's up with this water thing?

Level Designer: Oh that -- well, you see I meant to do that, it's to help you to uh....find...pickups, yeah -- that's it.

QA Tester: I quit.


Desiato..
#23 by "Tom (cyberfart)"
2000-05-26 18:08:09
tom187@dingoblue.net.au http://www.rtsplayers.org
<b>#22</b> "Desiato" wrote...
<QUOTE>Well, he's walking along and -- I kid you not -- the edge of the "water" is offset from the wall of the tube by about 5-6 inches. </QUOTE>

lol! I remember that. phew, all this time i thought my computer was being screwy.

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#24 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-05-26 18:53:48
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
Ugh!  Andy, were you doing ABBA with the headline??  

Worst Bug Ever?  Hrmm...  I'd say those flies that bite, what are they called?  Tse Tse Flies?  Not sure. Oh, software bug, worst ever for me personally...

That's a toughie, I can't think of one right now.  My system locks up and freezes a lot and I'm using Windows98, but not sure of any particular bugs..

WAIT!  I know one.  In IIS 4.0, if you're log file gets too large, the damn server locks up after 49 days.  It's fixed in Service Pack 6.  That's the most recent bug I've dealt with, but don't know if that's the worst out there.  

I dont' know if this is a bug or not, but it bugs the living shit out of me.  When I load up a real player file from the net and my real player loads up and gives me two options, either I can LEARN MORE or REMIND ME LATER.  There's no way to disable it from popping up each time, unless you upgrade your player.  I wish there was an EAT SHIT & DIE button on it.
#25 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-05-26 18:56:06
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
IT'S YOUR YOUR YOUR!!!!  I know the differene fellow crappers, I'm not a total dumbass, really!
#26 by "Andy"
2000-05-26 19:00:16
andy@planetcrap.com
Wow, the most on-topic thread ever! Been a good laugh reading some of this stuff, most of which I'd never heard of.


<b>#13</b>, Bad_CRC:
<QUOTE>
rofl. always nice to hear why an article is posted here.
</QUOTE>
I use Nero. :)


<b>#18</b>, Fyrewolf:
<QUOTE>
Andy, you forgot something else. HP CD Writers come with Adaptec Easy CD Creator as well as DirectCD, so it's not like you can't burn CDs.
</QUOTE>
Indeed it does, but DirectCD is the 'recommended' software in so far as it's the one installed automatically, the one that puts itself in your system tray, the one that pops up when you put a blank CD in, the one listed on the "Send To" menu and the one that the "Make Data CD" shortcut points to. (I've actually got an HP burner myself so I know that this is correct.)

Sure, the likes of you and me are going to know about Easy CD, Nero or the other good one that I can't remember the name of, but Joe Bloggs business guy who just bought a burner so he could back-up his accounts isn't going to have a clue.

Right now (NOW!) there are no doubt tens of thousands of Joe Bloggs around the world, happily putting their accounts on a CD with no idea that they can never get them back. After all, the manufacturer's recommended software should... work. :)


<b>#22</b>, Desiato:
<QUOTE>
QA Tester: I quit.
</QUOTE>
We ship anyway!
#27 by "Andy"
2000-05-26 19:03:40
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#24</b>, Sgt Hulka:
<QUOTE>
Ugh! Andy, were you doing ABBA with the headline??
</QUOTE>
For people in the UK it was Alan Partridge, for people outside the UK yes, it was ABBA. :)

"<i>Id love to get my hands on the bastard. Or bitch, might be a lady.</i>"

That's had me in stitches for two days now so it could very well end up being a signature...
#28 by "asspennies"
2000-05-26 19:07:34
asspennies@coredump.org http://www.coredump.org
<b>#17</b> "Nighthawk" wrote...
<QUOTE>
- The old classic Windows 3.1 calculator: 1.01 - 1.0 = 0.09999999875. </QUOTE>

There is STILL a bug in pretty much every version of Javascript on every browser.  It can't do floating point operations well at all.  In fact, many mortgage sites and loan sites had to stop using Javascript calculators because of it!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-05-26 19:16:09
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
In case you missed Mike "CrossDresser" Wilson, you can see him in a mini-skirt from E3.

http://www.oldmanmurray.com/seanbaby/e3/e3part04.htm

The man gets a bit more weird on a daily basis, like I should talk.
#30 by "Phayyde"
2000-05-26 19:18:33
phayyde@chaosnow.com http://chaosnow.com/
#10.  Darkseid-D:

this yours?
<QUOTE>
A.D. 1901: Italian inventor Guglielmo Marcoli first demonstrates the radio. Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich immediately delivers to Marcoli a list of 335,435 suspected radio users.
</QUOTE>

You might want to inform the author that there never existed a famous <B>Guglielmo Marco<I><U>l</U></I>i</B> associated with radio technology.  The mans name was <B>Guglielmo Marco<I><U>n</U></I>i</B>.

Aside from that teensy nit-bitch, the material was hilarious.  Thanks for sharing it.
#31 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-05-26 20:24:58
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
The worst bug I ever encountered was the Area 51 save bug in SiN.  If you saved on that level, you couldn't complete it and you ended up having to start the game over.  That really, really sucked...

It was fixed in the patch, but I was already at that point.  :(

Sorry Matt.  :)
#32 by "Avixe"
2000-05-26 20:34:31
jsg@fiam.net
Oh, hey, I've got a good one: Quake II's wall sticking. Oh my god, did that ever piss me off.
#33 by "None-1a"
2000-05-26 20:49:09
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
Here's one, Iomegaware. Take a look at this crap, the version they ship on the CD with ZIP250's doesn't recongnize any ZIP drives. The installer put a interface for click drives on your system (which can't be removed) however; the iomegaware 2.0 software doesn't support click drives in the first place.

(that's not even going into the hardware bugs from the ZIP drives)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#34 by "Rantage"
2000-05-26 21:04:37
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#33</b> "None-1a" wrote...
<QUOTE>(that's not even going into the hardware bugs from the ZIP drives)</QUOTE>

Well the Iomega "Click of Death" is a <I>big</I> pain in the ass, as is parallel Zip usage on an NT system.
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#35 by "Seven Tacos"
2000-05-26 21:13:54
kurto@asgaard.usu.edu
Hmm. Toughie. I know there are bugs that piss me off, but right now it's the misfeatures that are more annoying:

games like quake 3 that require the cd will prompt you to insert the cd and then the autoplay kicks in. just stupid thing to do if you are already in the game.

or unreal and it's start the installer everytime you put the cd in. hell you start to accumulate those _ins0tmp.dir things quite quickly.
#36 by "MoNo"
2000-05-26 21:14:43
monoton@online.no
The elder scrolls: Daggerfall. Say no more!! :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#37 by "MoNo"
2000-05-26 21:16:09
monoton@online.no
i agree with the unreal installer thing. it realy sucked having that innstaler start every time i wanted to play it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "VeeSPIKE"
2000-05-26 21:16:55
appliedavoidanc@triton.net
This is not really a bug per se, more like a QA problem, but every version of Microprose's Falcon 4.0 ships with an outdated copy of MSCVRT.DLL file. The file included was written for DX5. The problem is that F4 is written for DX6. Random crashes abound for those who are not aware of the problem. And I do mean EVERY version. Microprose never fixed the problem, through 6 different patch cycles. They were not even the ones to find the problem. A user posted the fix on the Flaon4 web site about three months after the games was released. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#39 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-05-26 21:22:37
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#38</b> "VeeSPIKE" wrote...
<QUOTE>This is not really a bug per se, more like a QA problem, but every version of Microprose's Falcon 4.0 ships with an outdated copy of MSCVRT.DLL file. The file included was written for DX5. The problem is that F4 is written for DX6. Random crashes abound for those who are not aware of the problem.</QUOTE>

lol, and that's what's known as 'DLL hell'. If the installer had been written correctly to begin with, it would only try to place the dll in the correct place and NOT overwrite the current file if it's newer than the one being installed (which would get rid of the whole problem). Supposedly Win2k handles this a little better, but I really haven't had any problems with the issue overall, so I haven't seen the differences between the way Win9x and Win2k handle it, but perhaps 'dll hell' can be seen as one of the worst software bugs out there.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#40 by "Mr Fribbles"
2000-05-26 23:23:33
fribbles@planetquake.com http://www.planetquake.com/frib/
The first thing that came to mind when I read <B>What is the worst software bug ever?</B> was precisely the first thing you mentioned Andy... the Half-Life uninstaller bug. Surely that was the work of the devil himself.

I had to hold my tongue when reading all the Half-Life praise in that other thread, it was very hard to resist offering my opinion... that being, Half-Life is evil, Half-Life is the devil's tool! Unfortunately, I've never even played it! I installed the game, couldn't get it to work with my video card/drivers, and then uninstalled it. Of course, the uninstaller bug took out everything in the parent directory as well, that being c:\games... thankfully I only had Quake in there at the time, which was easy enough to reinstall. I'm still trying to recover the hundreds of levels I lost though. :|
After that, I resolved never to install that filth ever again. I'm not generally the religious type, but I thank the lord that I installed it into c:\games\half-life\ rather than c:\half-life\

The only other thing that comes to mind from recent times isn't strictly a bug, but it certainly is annoying as hell... the UT cd-check. How ridiculous is this? I come home and install my brand spankin' new copy of UT, only to find that I can't run the <B>retail version of Unreal Tournament</B> because of the cd-check software. The game literally won't run. I had to download a cd-check crack before I could run the game at all, and I had to do so again after installing the UT 420 patch.

Nice work Epic, preventing legitimate owners of UT from playing the game that they paid money for, while the w4r3z llamas happily play their ripped version, with all copy protection removed for their convenience. I'm personally fortunate that I am clued in enough to know where to get the no-cd cracks, but for every clued-in customer there must be at least 10 other people who paid for the game and couldn't get it to run.
#41 by "Orochi Florist"
2000-05-26 23:53:13
dootyj@hotmail.com
Oh... this was a humdinger.

Of course, a little forethought on the part of the user might have produced the result "This isn't the brightest idea", but since 3dfx and/or msft are in a suitable 'down' position, it's only fair to kick them relentlessly.

Disabling (a/pair of) (voodoo2/s), then opening Display Properties would result in a random transferral of every file and subdirectory in your windows directory to hd error limbo, where your only hope of retrieving your stuff was to boot off a floppy and run scandisk. This moved every windows dir file from hd error limbo to your root directory, and renamed them all to filexxxx.chk.

Might be a little bit off, but that was the jist of it.
Nice to be lurking at PC again.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "Desiato"
2000-05-26 23:57:13
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com
I almost forgot one -- I'm sure this has happened to other Quake 3 players.

You run along -- see a weapon, say the rocket launcher, and you run over it -- get the sound, see the flash of the red icon denoting the launcher, and when you go to select it -- IT ISN'T FSCKING THERE.

DAMMIT THAT FRIES ME.

And before you go shouting -- "Yeah sure thing modem boy...it's your ping/latency"

I have a DSL line - and I usually play on servers with 50 or lower ping times. AND IT STILL HAPPENS.

Anyone want to explain that one?


Desiato...
#43 by "talax"
2000-05-27 00:07:16
How about Outpost from Sierra?  Did they ever finish that?
#44 by "Mr Fribbles"
2000-05-27 00:21:47
fribbles@planetquake.com http://www.planetquake.com/frib/
<QUOTE>#42  Desiato: Anyone want to explain that one?</QUOTE>

That's the item pickup prediction at work. Like the movement prediction, but, err, for items. If you want to get rid of that crap (I recommend doing this for net play), then use <B>cg_predictitems 0</B>.
Unfortunately this has two undesirable side effects; you may drop sounds when picking up items, and when picking up a weapon you'll have to wait for the server to confirm that you did indeed get the weapon before you can switch to it and use it (shouldn't be a problem for you on 50 ping). Of course, that should be how it works anyway... rather than predicting that you *may* have picked up the item, only to have the server tell you that someone else snatched it first, and then taking it away.

What I can't explain to you is why, when they had a perfectly fine system for q1 and q2, they decided to break it in q3. Why add/change the item prediction if it produces undesirable effects like that? I never had any real complaint in the first two games, the only thing I disliked was when LPBs snatched items away from me even when it looked like I got there first... but I could accept that, since I was aware that I only *thought* I was there first, that was the movement prediction at work. The important thing to stress here is that even though I may have been close to/on top of the item, if someone snatched it before me then <B>I didn't hear the pickup sound</B>, so I knew I didn't get it. In Q3, the exact same scenario can happen (another player snatching the item first), but because the game is predicting that I'll pick up the weapon, I'll hear/see the pickup effects! Only to have the server tell me that no, you didn't get that, I'll have that back thanks. Bah.
#45 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-05-27 00:22:33
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
The worst bugs ever are spider mites. Damn things, always eaten up all my plants...

Oh wait, never mind. The worst bug I've ever encountered is Rainbox 6 fucking up my Pure 3d Voodoo settings (yes, I still use a voodoo 1) Anyone have a GeForce to spare? :D<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "Jafd"
2000-05-27 00:25:31
jafd@whatthefuck.com
I was part of the semi-open beta for the Heretic II enhancement pack.

We had 3 or 5 RCs... forget how many. Anyway, the 3rd or 4th one was absolutely <b>rock solid</b>; better netplay, better everything. Except for one or three bugs on a few configurations, it was perfect.

A few days later, the flow of release candidates dried up. Then the producer, Steve Stringer, announced that he was changing jobs (no reason given), shortly after he annouced "we'll release the EP when it is ready; we won't be producing any bug-filled products on my watch." <i>(paraphrased)</i>

Then the EP came out a few days later... and it was a BUG-RIDDEN PIECE OF SHIT. Required another patch, too. Which still didn't fix all the problems. Which persist to this day.

If any of you know the inside scoop on this, please divulge, or email me. It's been a long time; I'm not bitter anymore. Really.

And in case you are wondering... I deleted all of my copies of the betas. Damn me. *boo hoo*<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#47 by "Seth Krieg"
2000-05-27 00:30:33
seth@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Oh, I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned it yet.

The fact that you had to delete your entire hard drive to install Windows 95.

That was pretty shitty. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#48 by "None-1a"
2000-05-27 01:03:26
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<b>#47</b> "Seth Krieg" wrote...
<QUOTE>Oh, I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned it yet.

The fact that you had to delete your entire hard drive to install Windows 95.

That was pretty shitty. </QUOTE>

What the hell are you talking about, I updated from 3.11 to 95, then latter to 98 with no problems, sure I made the desision to wipe the drive and resintall but it was my disision the upgrade worked just fine, with out ill effects on the old hard drive.

(BTW I only wiped the drive when I desided to play mmusicl drives with my two hard drives and desided to just start fresh, rather then wory about copying crap around).<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#49 by "Pete Closs"
2000-05-27 01:21:12
<b>#9</b> "Happy cow" wrote...
<QUOTE>Game spy sucks. Ping tool is much better and free (my favorite price) www.pingtool.com</QUOTE>

Seconded. Pingtool is lovely. And stable. And free.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#50 by "Jafd"
2000-05-27 01:30:35
jafd@whatthefuck.com
Pingtool has <i>never</i> worked on either of my systems. *shrug* Too bad, the interface is far superior.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
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