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Blizzard bans 20,000 b.net accounts
April 15th 2002, 19:03 CEST by Max

Blizzard, citing stability of servers and effects on the player economy, has banned 20,000 cheaters from its Battle.net service. This follows a separate ban of 7,000 accounts for the same "chest hack" exploit last week. The Chest Hack is described by DiabloII.net (and pictured here - bwahaha) as a

...cheat that causes massive amounts of goods - gold, items, half-priced chocolate Easter bunnies - anyway, a lot of stuff to pour from an opened chest. This causes horrendous lag to others, resulting in death to some Hardcore characters.

Blizzard appear to be taking a very proactive stance against griefs and cheats, and good for them. However, judging by the sheer volume of Diablo II items being sold and the money to be made therefrom, cheats of this sort will continue to be very common.

Oh, and BTW... warez! donkey! l33t! Duke is Coke!
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#1 by zarathustrian
2002-04-15 19:05:10
tarbour@adventuregamers.com http://www.adventuregamers.com
Good for them--they're doing what must be done to get rid of those cheating arses.
#2 by Post-It
2002-04-15 19:08:23
keithlee@speakeasy.net
And what we supposed to talk abnout...?

Florida is the New Nazi FuckMonkeys.
-LPMiller
#3 by Ergo
2002-04-15 19:08:24
This is a surprise?

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.
#4 by Duality
2002-04-15 19:12:40
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Banning players is proactive?
I thought that was more reactive.

Oh I'm developing that cynical tone... purple bunnies sniffing yellow flowers ... bright happy thoughts.

You're the new nazis.
#5 by LPMiller
2002-04-15 19:28:22
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
what's the question? That it is good? That it is bad? Why do people cheat?

I dont' get the topic.

Will warez for food.
#6 by crash
2002-04-15 19:31:35
cheating/hacking/exploiting = bad.

banning/suspending/kicking = good.

go Blizzard.

anyone got a link to any forum posts calling them nazis yet?

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#7 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 19:34:13
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Well one point you could bring up is that large scale player banning is a bit uncareful because you run a high risk of accidentally banning people that are innocent. Now I honestly don't know if B.net is a paid service, but if it is, you could argue that people can't just get banned because it deprives them of the service they paid for. This could be illegal. Or something.

Actually, looking at the topic, I dunno what the point is either.

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#8 by Duality
2002-04-15 19:34:17
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
No, but I can make it happen, however.

Who do you want to be called nazis, cheaters, or Blizzard?  Or both and let the space bears sort them out?

You're the new nazis.
#9 by Martin
2002-04-15 19:34:33
http://www.mocol.nu
I could call them nazis if you want. The New Nazis even.

And this topic is very confusing. Is there even an argument attached to it?

-- Martin
Free love! As in "Free beer!" And "Free Kevin Mitnick!" I suppose. Only he's already free.
#10 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 19:35:25
supersimon33@hotmail.com
chest haxxorz are teh new nazi's

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#11 by Martin
2002-04-15 19:35:28
http://www.mocol.nu
Duality: You can have this one then. I shouldn't really call anyone nazis come to think of it...

-- Martin
Free love! As in "Free beer!" And "Free Kevin Mitnick!" I suppose. Only he's already free.
#12 by Martin
2002-04-15 19:35:55
http://www.mocol.nu
Oh, Gunp01nt already got it. Nevermind then...

-- Martin
Free love! As in "Free beer!" And "Free Kevin Mitnick!" I suppose. Only he's already free.
#13 by LPMiller
2002-04-15 19:36:56
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Well good, I was getting worried.

Will warez for food.
#14 by Max
2002-04-15 19:36:58
http://massivebraincase.org/
What, I'm supposed to care whether the topic I write is actually any good?  You people voted for it, not me. I just thought it was interesting that they'd done so - I hadn't heard of any real mass bannings like this before.

Coming on the heels of the whole bnetd thing, I suppose I was wondering whether anyone thought Blizzard sorta realized that coming down hard on the one meant they had to come down hard on the other.

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#15 by Duality
2002-04-15 19:37:12
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Yes but he didn't do it with style.  Just a couple extra x's.  Bad form.

Glad we've got this discussion about wrapped up!

You're the new nazis.
#16 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 19:43:34
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Duality, you wanted more x'es?

we could have a wonderful discussion on how many x'es a '... new nazi's' sentence should contain! yeah!

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#17 by jafd
2002-04-15 19:45:15
I'm guessing that they are pretty sure they can track who used the exploit and who didn't, pretty effectively. Otherwise, I don't see a mass banning happening at all; I mean, this isn't the first break in the game's security, right? Why no mass banning then?

In other news... Blizzard and whomever is responsible for the potential banning of Chella from Earth are my new heroes.

You just don't like being told what to do. Admit it.
#18 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 19:46:54
supersimon33@hotmail.com
jafd that was cruel. provided of course it's not an attention cry.

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#19 by jafd
2002-04-15 19:53:56
I don't see it as cruel at all. Either she goes to oblivion, in which case, fine, or she goes to something different from what we have here, in which case, fine.

She's just afraid she'll miss out on DNF. O, woe.

You just don't like being told what to do. Admit it.
#20 by zarathustrian
2002-04-15 19:56:41
tarbour@adventuregamers.com http://www.adventuregamers.com
Now I honestly don't know if B.net is a paid service, but if it is, you could argue that people can't just get banned because it deprives them of the service they paid for. This could be illegal. Or something.


Nah, I'm sure Blizzard has explicitly stated that cheating of any kind can/will void your account.  And Battle.net is a free service, by the by.
#21 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 19:58:45
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Zarathrustian:

OK. wasn't familiar with bnet. but EQ, AO, DAOC users could argue this pherhaps. I'll shut up now before I give them ideas.

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#22 by m0nty
2002-04-15 20:01:17
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
zarathustrian, I must compliment your choice of avatar pic. 790 is the shit. BTW, do you prefer Old Zev or New Zev? I'm an Old Zev man myself, Eva Habermann rocks my world.
#23 by Durzel
2002-04-15 20:23:37
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
Well one point you could bring up is that large scale player banning is a bit uncareful because you run a high risk of accidentally banning people that are innocent.
From what I can gather from a cursory glance around their messageboards, they've banned any and every character either directly using this chest hack, or borne from the same CD key.  So in actuality it probably has hit a lot of "innocent" users.  So if you let your mate/brother/Dad use your CD key and he/she

As "innocent" as someone can be knowingly letting someone else use their CD key for nefarious purposes, or even letting them use the key at all (which is in itself a breach of the AUP).  "Stupid" is a better word.

Right or wrong, it makes quite a refreshing change to see a company taking an proactive role in clamping down on cheaters.  Beats id software and co. sitting back on their laurels and letting people write aimbots and the like...
#24 by Durzel
2002-04-15 20:25:19
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
Hmmm, now I remember what the Preview button is for.  There's nothing more annoying than writing out a post then noticeing you've forgotten to end a
#25 by Tom Cleghorn
2002-04-15 20:25:24
This doesn't go far enough. They should hunt all those cheating bastards down, herd them into concen... I mean, HAPPY - camps, and keep them there forever more. Also, they should sterilise their offspring and castrate their pets.
Um... sorry. It's not my fault. I'm bored.

Hit me - I'm wasting valuable time.
#26 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-15 20:25:57
http://departmentofinternets.com
Great move.  It's just too bad they didn't have a clause in the ToS or EULA that stated cheaters would be fined $500 in addition to being banned.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#27 by Max
2002-04-15 20:37:00
http://massivebraincase.org/
Now that's an idea.  Wonder if they could make something like that stick?  Identifying the real users behind the warezed logins and so forth would be difficult and probably not worth the time or money spent.

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#28 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-15 20:40:18
http://departmentofinternets.com
Now that's an idea.  Wonder if they could make something like that stick?

Perhaps not for Diablo, but for an MMORPG where credit cards are associated with accounts, I think it's possible.  The monkey can go ahead and contest the charge with his credit card company, but it'd be pointless if he agreed to the contract.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#29 by _Fury_
2002-04-15 20:43:13
ajhill@wi.rr.com
Intentional Thread Hi-jack:

I just got a Game Boy Advance. I know, I'm a little slow on the uptake with these things, but bear with me. I picked up Advance Wars after seeing almost universal praise for it. I intend to pick up Golden Sun next week, and THPS3 sometime. The question is: what other games are worth buying?

Fight!

Witty Quote
#30 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-15 20:43:49
http://departmentofinternets.com
Bomberman Advance, Earthworm Jim, Tony Hawk

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#31 by Ashiran
2002-04-15 20:47:25
Regarding the banning,
IT'S ABOUT GODDAMN TIME!

Regarding Chella's apparent impending demise,
Well BOOHOO! People I don't know die all the time and I don't feel sorry for them either.

Beat me to death with my keyboard pls, kthx bye
#32 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-15 20:51:44
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Fury: how about the Game Boy Advance webserver ?

Don't you wanna seize the day?
I wanna go back to reality
But I'm just addicted to stay
Guide me the way out of infinity
#33 by Caryn
2002-04-15 20:52:24
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Intentional Thread Hi-jack:

I just got a Game Boy Advance. I know, I'm a little slow on the uptake with these things, but bear with me. I picked up Advance Wars after seeing almost universal praise for it. I intend to pick up Golden Sun next week, and THPS3 sometime. The question is: what other games are worth buying?

Fight!


Advance Wars ROCKS. I just bought that a couple of weeks ago. Definitely get Golden Sun, too. Those two games alone will keep you occupied for a good, long time. I'm really enjoying Castlevania: Circle of the Moon, as well.

"It's not stupid -- it's advanced!"
#34 by Max
2002-04-15 20:57:25
http://massivebraincase.org/
I'm going to buy a $50 N64 at my local going-out-of-business KMart.  It'll be my first console.

Is that a good idea, or not?

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#35 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-15 21:00:09
http://departmentofinternets.com
Max:  If you get a few of the better games used it'll certainly be worth it.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#36 by Charles
2002-04-15 21:02:05
www.bluh.org
Circle of the Moon, Sonic Advance, Super Mario Advance 2.  Also, the zelda games for GBC are worth grabbing.  

On topic...  It's not like blizzard did this out of the blue either.  For months now, they've been randomly deleting all items from characters account if they detect any duped items on the character.  People were bitching and whining about it too... then asking how to dupe in the same sentence.  On the flipside, you wouldn't believe how quiet b.net has been since they banned the hack users.  

I think more games should take this kind of approach.  If people want to cheat, and ruin the experience for others, then they should be ready to face the consequences.  Half the people who cheat are pure fuckwits anyway, so it also has the side effect of cleaning out the idiots.  Which is fine by me.

Bailey:  Beep beep, motherfucker.
#37 by zarathustrian
2002-04-15 21:02:52
tarbour@adventuregamers.com http://www.adventuregamers.com
zarathustrian, I must compliment your choice of avatar pic. 790 is the shit. BTW, do you prefer Old Zev or New Zev? I'm an Old Zev man myself, Eva Habermann rocks my world.


I'd have to go with [Old] Zev (New Zev is actually "Xev")--Eva did a damned good job in the original mini-series.  However, Xenia Seeberg ain't bad (although it sometimes seems like they've injected *way* too much collagen into her lips.)

Case in point.
#38 by crash
2002-04-15 21:06:52
ay caramba! bet donald duck's got a woody. or a feathery. or whatever ducks get.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#39 by MCorleone
2002-04-15 21:09:37
I don't think it would be that easy if you charged $500 or any amount for that matter.  If you bust me cheating and I get an account cancelled, oh well, see you.  If you charge me cash money for a supposed infraction you better have rock-solid proof or I'll see you in court.  

That's one case.  To borrow a line from Trainspotting, "Mooltiply tha' by a thousand and yee'r steel no-where near it."  Wouldn't be worth the effort, and not many people would lay down and not fight it.  Especially in the digital world, where you're dealing with digital evidence, where even the layman now knows that almost anything digital can be faked (picture evidence, etc,) and I think you can rule out a fine ever happening.

Build a man a fire and you'll keep him warm for the rest of the night.  Light a man on fire and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.
#40 by Duality
2002-04-15 21:11:01
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
And I think this is a successful hijack.

You're the new nazis.
#41 by BabiG
2002-04-15 21:23:28
I'd get the Dreamcast for $50 (or maybe it's $60 now) over the n64. Also, the DC games are the same price if not cheaper. The n64 is probably worth it too, just for Goldeneye and some of the first party games, but if I had to pick only one I'd get the DC.

"God is dead." --Nietzsche, 1883
"Nietzsche is dead." --God, 1900
#42 by Max
2002-04-15 21:47:20
http://massivebraincase.org/
I wasn't actively seeking to buy a console... but my daughter wants one and I was in WhiteTrashHeavenMart looking for mini-blinds.  Fifty bucks seems like a good deal for a year old console, (ir)regardless of it being the previous generation.  Anyway, my brother has an N64 and lots of games that I can "borrow" (that being apparently one of the ways of obtaining a game without paying for it that has the PC Seal of Approval, ork ork ork).

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#43 by Max
2002-04-15 21:48:15
http://massivebraincase.org/
And in other news, I just found an entry in my company's address book for someone named Karel Donk.  Nahhh, can't be.

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#44 by The_Joker
2002-04-15 21:49:49
http://www.jackinworld.com
AHAHAHAHA, Bin Laden is alive! WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#45 by crash
2002-04-15 21:54:33
oh, wait, i just realized something. Blizzard's going to make an MMOG.

bet it'll make AO's "cheat-proof code" look like Fort Knox.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#46 by The_Joker
2002-04-15 22:04:20
http://www.jackinworld.com
#43 by Max:

Do you work at Pleasure Island? Have them update my address, last time they sent the girls to the old address, and my mom who answered the door there didn't like it very much. Plus i had to answer a lot of questions too.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#47 by "sepultufart"
2002-04-15 22:13:32
sepultufart@yahoo.com http://www.mp3.com/sepultufart
An interesting hack, would be the one that allows you to walk away with all the suscriber's money at Blizzard's expense! I bet you could make a good million... run to the bahamas and set your very own US-federal law violating online gambling operations from there!
#48 by devttys0
2002-04-15 22:20:39
http://www.planetcrap.com/
Carnivore keywords:

sepultufart, dumbass, extortion, future plans, blizzard, terrorism, internet.
#49 by Max
2002-04-15 22:21:35
http://massivebraincase.org/
#46 - The_Joker
Do you work at Pleasure Island?

Newp.  I know this person isn't you as they're in Singapore.  Just an interesting coincidence, as this isn't the first time I've recognized a name in the company address book (there's perhaps 2000 people in the company)... Someone named Sujoy Roy works here as well, in the London office. Gotta be the same Sujoy Roy, but whoever it is never answered my one email question about it.

"I don't call him Rico Muerte or whatever his name was, he is and always will be Fatty McPantsdown." -MattG
#50 by chris
2002-04-15 22:26:20
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
crash -

what, you think Blizzard's extensive experience running insecure, low-user-count, peer-to-peer games won't translate into a flawlessly executed Persistent-World MMOG? ;)

At least it'll be *really friggin pretty* while I'm watching people run around screaming "n33d dupe +10 HOB plz kthx will trade lots of 0rc tuskz!"

-chris
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