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April 11th 2002, 11:21 CEST by m0nty

One of the bonding elements of the gamer culture is its shared language, but even within this small community there are subgroups which have evolved a pidgin dialect all their own: leetspeak. Apparently originating in AOL chatrooms, and now dominating online games like CounterStrike, leetspeak is the jargon of choice for thousands of sexually frustrated teenage boys. Historians have not picked up on its etymology quite yet, despite the occasional half-arsed attempt. While annoying to the more serious gamer, it has become part of the lexicon of gamers everywhere. There are leetaliser programs, online converters, and even IRC plug-ins.

The primary usage pattern of leetspeak by more mature gamers is to use it in an ironic sense, when they want to couch what they are saying in childish language to make it seem ridiculous. Most Crappers have been guilty of using leetspeak to colour their posts at one time or another. Do we overuse it, thus making ourselves look ridiculous?

This thread is a good example of the behaviour I'm referring to. These guys even think there's a sub-leetspeak dialect amongst fanbois of the MegaTokyo comic strip! Then again, usage conventions do vary from Web site to Web site, with some sites only using it sparingly, and others becoming almost unreadable. For example, consider Martin Davies' post #166 in the Retrogaming thread. (No, I'm not singling him out for abuse, he's just one of many.)

LPMiller:
stupid quote tags.

Your weakened crap-fu has left you wide open for attack...

hey lpmillar booger baby... yOu cant even use teh quote tags adn yuo tTRY adn critssissize otherS! thats soooo sad! yuor so gay! FAG!

While the text is quite readable, it differs from normal language in one significant respect. The usage of leetspeak here allows Martin to say things that would otherwise appear out of place on a relatively sedate forum like PC. Specifically, he can be more abusive, use sexist insults, insert gratuitous homophobic language, and generally be a lot more obnoxious. I'm not criticising Martin for this - it's what we all do.

Has the joke worn thin, after all this time? Are we kidding ourselves that we can use leetspeak with a sense of irony, as if we are that much more intelligent and discerning in our gaming habits than the average AOL user? Is it used as a thinly veiled excuse to be rude while trying to claim "humourous intent"? Where is the line drawn, if at all?
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#1 by Bailey
2002-04-11 11:23:11
Lame.

I am laughing at the horror of being alive.
#2 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 11:25:39
supersimon33@hotmail.com
monty sucks. 2nd post.

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#3 by m0nty
2002-04-11 11:56:40
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Saying "Lame" is lame too. Other examples of tired old cliches: -fu, KEKEKE, new Nazi/Jesus, rapper talk (yo yo yo, PlanetCrap in da m0f0 hizzouse, peepz!"), really long acronyms.
#4 by Darkseid-D
2002-04-11 12:12:57
rogerboal@hotmail.com
aaiiiight


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#5 by EvilAsh
2002-04-11 12:13:04
evilash@eviladam.com www.eviladam.com
wtf was this voted for.
#6 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 12:25:37
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Saying "Lame" is lame too. Other examples of tired old cliches: -fu, KEKEKE, new Nazi/Jesus, rapper talk (yo yo yo, PlanetCrap in da m0f0 hizzouse, peepz!"), really long acronyms.

0r l4rg3 4m0untz 0' l33t sp33k d00d. Or posting dumb topics with Alanis Morissette Lyrics.

Lamez0r

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#7 by m0nty
2002-04-11 12:28:05
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
#8 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 12:28:58
supersimon33@hotmail.com
OMFGLOL m0nty t3h r3d b34rd3d p14rt3 s3z l33tsp33k suxx0rz!

how can you say you're jaded with l33t if you have a l33t n1ckn4m3?

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#9 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 12:29:28
supersimon33@hotmail.com
yeah, that's really ironic

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#10 by mixuk
2002-04-11 12:30:45
m0nty, really, what did you expect? Even if you're right, this thread is doomed even before it started.
#11 by Bailey
2002-04-11 12:52:29
The subject matter is self-defeating. It's like building fire-resistant baby pajamas out of firecrackers and hoping no one lights a match near one.

I am laughing at the horror of being alive.
#12 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 12:55:32
supersimon33@hotmail.com
good analogy

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#13 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 13:00:18
Here's irony: an Israeli settler in a "Free Tibet" t-shirt.
#14 by Warren Marshall
2002-04-11 13:01:00
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
h4w h4w, 0\/\/|\|3D!!

WoT?
#15 by godZero
2002-04-11 13:04:09
godzero@gmx.de
mOnty simply enjoys seeing his name appear in the topic list, it seems...

Chop Suey-cide!!!
#16 by m0nty
2002-04-11 13:09:34
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I fail to see how it is "doomed", or "self-defeating", unless you're saying that gamers are so enamoured with leetspeak that they can't stop themselves doing it. As for my own nick, well the reason there's a zero instead of an o is to differentiate myself from all the other montys on the Net, of which there are legion - there's even a monty who is one of the founders of an Australian gaming site.
#17 by m0nty
2002-04-11 13:12:48
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
anyway Gunp01nt, you're twice as bad as me.
#18 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 13:14:04
And BoringUglyBaldBeardedBespectacledOldAustralian was already taken too?
#19 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 13:16:24
supersimon33@hotmail.com
OK on topic:

we use l33t as irony, but it was basically started by AOL kiddies and they want to be like us and be all "I'm talking l33t like those kiddies but I do it with a sense of irony to distance myself from the l00z0rz" but the newbies see l33tsp33k and think it's serious. therefore you get a lot of ppl seriously using l33tsp33k and it always seemed to me PC'ers use l33tsp33k as a parody on the kiddiez that sp33k s3r10us l33t. just liek wee ues jeff k gremmmoarr an sepllign too amphoseis wee arez only joking!1!!!1!

k so where's the next warez topic?

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#20 by m0nty
2002-04-11 13:17:47
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Flamey, I am not old!

/me turned 29 last week, and is feeling his oats...
#21 by m0nty
2002-04-11 13:20:58
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Gunp01nt (#19):
therefore you get a lot of ppl seriously using l33tsp33k and it always seemed to me PC'ers use l33tsp33k as a parody on the kiddiez that sp33k s3r10us l33t. just liek wee ues jeff k gremmmoarr an sepllign too amphoseis wee arez only joking!1!!!1!

This is what I'm talking about. The layers of irony are so numerous that to anyone except us, it may just look like we're as bad as the script kiddies themselves.

BTW, I forgot to include a JeffK ref in #0, it is a fine example. I would like to hear Lowtax's take on this... he seems to have given up mostly on JeffK, perhaps because he finds it old as well.
#22 by m0nty
2002-04-11 13:22:57
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
oh, and using IRC commands like /me in general conversation is old too. The irony is mind-numbing!
#23 by mrbloo
2002-04-11 13:39:00
mrbloo2000@hotmail.com
I think it's a fairly interesting topic, so boo sucks to the mockers.  

It's a weirdie dialect that most of the people here have used at some stage (even if they were only being ironic ;) and I'd say that all of us have no problem understanding it.  I emailed the title to two workmates and they were about 3 minutes deciphering it.

I think it's cool that a new dialect sprouted up so quickly and does an excellent job of excluding outsiders while making everyone feel part of a gang/club community - the usual adolescent stuff.  JeffK/Lowtax played a large part in making it acceptable for regular folks to use it for teh funney, as it were.  He also created a lot of low-rent unfunny JeffK-a-likes that bugged the shit out of me for months until they got tired.  Fuckers.
#24 by mrbloo
2002-04-11 13:42:32
mrbloo2000@hotmail.com
damn, I quite liked that '/me is strangling your cat' stuff.  Gave conversations a bit of imaginative pseudo-visual humour.
#25 by jafd
2002-04-11 14:13:28
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
What disturbs me is how quickly I can look to the title of this topic, and translate it without serious effort. Years of exposure to loserspeak has taught me well; and I can't help but feeling tainted and dirty.

One thing that I find to be the case... people who use loserspeak as a kind of communication shorthand. '2' for 'to.' 'R' for 'are.' 'B' for 'be.' '4' for 'for.' That kind of shit.

I suppose it is going to be considered horribly elitist by some, but I don't care; for that matter, I find people who look at people's behavior and judge them to be horribly elitist to be even worse themselves, so, whatever. At any rate, I use the typing habits of others to profile them.

I suppose it's pretty well known that I don't have much respect for people who haven't figured out that simple literacy and proofreading are essential to the communication process. Now, let me be clear here: I'm not talkign about people who make the occaisional typo, or habitual misspelling. Oh No.

Nor am I talking about our friends from other cultures, who did not grow up learning English at their mother's knee; certainly, mastery of a foreign language is no small task. I'm not bilingual myself, sadly, and I have a lot of respect for almost anyone who is.

I specifically reserve my contempt for people who know that what they are spewing out of their keyboards is inaccurate, but don't care. It's like they're so enamored of those heavy-duty important thoughts they have, it's perfectly acceptable to fall all over themselves in a breakneck dash to win the Grand Prix Chat, or something.

I'll tell you the Jafdian acid test: it's "u". Individual cases vary, of course; there's a few regulars on this board who can't seem to spell their way out of a wet paper bag, but because there is value in the words there to be found, if I can be bothered to slog my way through deciphering their henscrawl, it's there.

But someone who is so completely hopeless as to have to shorten a simple pronoun like "you"? Get serious. This is akin to going to a party with a lot of people, and being introduced to so many folks, it's hard to remember everyone's name, so you just go around calling everyone "Bitch". You know. To save time.

I mean, wtf, I'm not above the use of acronyms; in proper context and usage, they are very helpful. And if I were using one of those alphanumeric cell phones, or something, sure, I can imagine using "u" instead of "you," if I were dealing with a medium with limited space for characters.

IRC and the WWW are not such mediums. And I have simply not ever met anyone who uses "u" instead of "you" who hasn't revealed themselves to be an utter fucktard, or a nascent Internet user. In the latter case, I generally speak to them privately about this, in gentle tones.

In the former case? The punishment of The Jafd is mighty, Our wrath is undeniable. It's a shame about all the collateral damage, We admit. /sniffle

You just don't like being told what to do. Admit it.
#26 by mrbloo
2002-04-11 14:16:20
mrbloo2000@hotmail.com
The 'U' shorthand, along with common abbreviations, is used all the time in SMS messages, where knocking 2 letters off a 3 letter word can be a significant time saver.  Still grates with me whenever I see it.
#27 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 14:19:03
I use u/you, 2/to, 4/for, ppl/people, sdmy/catholic priest... for SMS.

I think abbreviations make for good SMS, but overbrevity destroys clarity.

The message, the S-M-S, should be clear, like: "i wnt 2 fuk u swthrt  xx"
#28 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 14:19:25
What MrBloo said.
#29 by m0nty
2002-04-11 14:28:23
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
jafd, come right out and say it: you hate Chella.
#30 by "Anonymous"
2002-04-11 14:30:15
anyway Gunp01nt, you're twice as bad as me.

I'm not saying I'm tired of l33tsp33k1n'
#31 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 14:33:26
supersimon33@hotmail.com
anon was me. I B d4 b1gguzz l4m3z0r 3v4, no?

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#32 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 14:34:42
Flamey, I am not old!

/me turned 29 last week, and is feeling his oats...



Ha ha, there's being 29 and there's looking 29.
#33 by "flamethrower"
2002-04-11 14:37:05
jafd, come right out and say it: you hate Chella.


jafd 2 chella: i h8 u
#34 by jafd
2002-04-11 14:39:09
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
Don't confuse hate with utter contempt and total disregard for one's value as a human being.

You just don't like being told what to do. Admit it.
#35 by arkan
2002-04-11 14:44:42
arkan@evem.org.au
Originated in AOL chat rooms? I seem to remember it being the language of underground BBSs long before AOL came to prominence.
#36 by m0nty
2002-04-11 14:49:22
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
As always, Les Murray is right.

(little Australian-only joke there.)
#37 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 14:59:35
supersimon33@hotmail.com
but on the topic of irony: this is a widely used form of expression on various sites, messageboards and whatnot. But I visit a couple of forums, including ones with a somewhat lower age average (like the GameSen forums) and on most of those forums people are completely incapable of recognizing irony.

so it is very likely kidz saw the adults speaking l33t in an ironic sense and thought "we want to be like the grown-ups!" because the grown-ups always discuss with a much bigger sense of self-secureness than younger kids (kids love to act like 'teh mastarzz!' and call everyone a lamer to enhance their mastarrnezz). therefore the kids start sp33k1ng l33t like the grown ups but instead treat it serious.

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#38 by LPMiller
2002-04-11 15:01:35
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
No, kids do it because annoying adults is a time honored pastime.

Will warez for food.
#39 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 15:02:44
supersimon33@hotmail.com
No, kids do it because annoying adults is a time honored pastime.

well that's more of a side effect :)

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#40 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-11 15:13:34
supersimon33@hotmail.com
he seems to have given up mostly on JeffK, perhaps because he finds it old as well.

well Matt G. has taken it over with his TAOC TEH WODNER DOUGH!1!! character. Thief. :P

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#41 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-11 15:41:58
www.verbalchilli.com
In quoted passage, I wasn't using it ironically. I was using at satirically.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#42 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-11 15:42:09
www.verbalchilli.com
Just so you know.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#43 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-11 15:43:23
www.verbalchilli.com
I was using at


WoT?


IT damnit, IT!

-- ex Spatula Man --
#44 by Matthew Gallant
2002-04-11 15:55:14
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Taco is nothing like Jeff K and is not done by me anyway.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#45 by Duality
2002-04-11 15:59:38
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I think there is a big difference between l33tspeak and the kind of phrases we use here at the 'Crap (new nazis, neuters and space bears everywhere).

Much of the usage I see of l33tspeak has sort of morphed into an automatic satirical usage.  The satire we wish to convey with it (which should be noticed in the context of discussion when we use it), has almost become a second nature to do.  Its as if we know the proper time to use it even when we aren't consciously aware of it.

Or at the very least its automatically used at times we think the satire is appropriate, and its just being silly.

Along the lines of jafd, I can't stand for shortening of text when its in chat / messageboard format where one does not have limited space.

I get the same thing all the time with my end users.  Unless its a formal office memo, spelling, proofing, and formatting get thrown out the door.

You're the new nazis.
#46 by EvilAsh
2002-04-11 16:04:57
evilash@eviladam.com www.eviladam.com
It still doesn't change the fact that this topic sucks. Caryn's is better.
#47 by Hugin
2002-04-11 16:30:56
lmccain@nber.org
On the board I help moderate, we don't have any set language guidelines, though we do gently note in the Introduction thread and the FAQ that taking a stab at proper grammar and spelling is appreciated.  However, because of my position people on the board email me or IM me privately all day for help with this or that, changing thier board status or fixing this or that problem, whatever.  

In those private communications, I insist on english.  Yes, we have folks on the board for whom engish is not thier first or primary language, and as long as those folks do the best they can that's cool.  But if you're asking me for help, don't give me a headache, or make me think you're an idiot 12 year old by giving me a bunch of U 4 C K 8 o0o337!! junk.  If you want me to make efforts on you behalf, you can damn well take the time to spell out three letter words.
#48 by Martin
2002-04-11 16:35:41
http://www.mocol.nu
Hugin: I won't bother you with a stupid joke about the spelling of "english" in your post. Unless you want me to.

-- Martin
"Killer of giants, threatens us all. Mountains of madness, standing so tall."  - Ozzy
#49 by Hugin
2002-04-11 16:46:53
lmccain@nber.org
Well, I don't mind random minor spelling errors or typos Martin. I don't even care about, say, the folks who never capitalize anything.  It's the doodspeak and the inability to get a simple sentence out without contracting or alternate spelling half the words that annoys me.
#50 by Martin
2002-04-11 16:53:06
http://www.mocol.nu
Hugin: I was just commenting on the fact that it's sorta ironic that you misspelled english when you wrote about people who can't spell.

I agree with you though.

-- Martin
"Killer of giants, threatens us all. Mountains of madness, standing so tall."  - Ozzy
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