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On Banner Ads
April 1st 2002, 22:21 CEST by Morn

You've probably seen the new banner ads on PlanetCrap. Let me explain what is going on.

First of all, don't panic. PlanetCrap is not going to turn into a popup-happy banner portal. I'm not desperately throwing random banner ads at you, hoping I'll make a couple of bucks from fools who like to click on big, colorful, moving images. However, I'm thinking about how you can support this site without going through a messed up place like Paypal, which is simply not an option anymore. I don't want site donations (or any other money) to be handled by a company that does everything to stop its own customers from contacting them directly.

I'm going to leave the banners up for a couple of days because I'm playing around with some stuff I've wanted to try for a while (various ad server software packages/services and the likes). Of course I'm also curious about how you guys (and girls) react to something like this. :)

However, having banners at static positions all over the site is not the long-term plan. Instead, I am soon going to remove all banners (except the one at the top of the site) and put up a new page with purchase links for all sorts of current and upcoming games -- the CrapStore! When you suddenly feel like supporting this site and its webmaster, instead of sending me money through Paypal, simply buy your next game or two through the CrapStore. I'll be getting a small commission for each sale, so for me it'll be just as good as getting something through PayPal, and you'll just pay for your games as usual.

Boomshakalaka!
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#1 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:23:28
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Oh ya, crash (?) mentioned that Chips & Bits seem to be a bit on the expensive side. I'm going to add links to some other places as well. At least for the CrapStore. (Amazon and EB are on the list -- what other places with affiliate programs are there?)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#2 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:24:28
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Oh yeah: No, this isn't an April Fools joke.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#3 by Leslie Nassar
2002-04-01 22:25:06
http://departmentofinternets.com
Will the CrapStore have Neuters?

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#4 by crash
2002-04-01 22:25:39
the ads don't bother me. what does bother me is the ad above the comments box is not centered.

now that is annoying. PAH.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#5 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-01 22:26:52
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Morn, would it be a good idea if I mailed you a nice Euro bill or two? Mail between Holland and Germany isn't too costy, and you'd profit directly from that; with the banner ad you only get a small percentage of the price of a sold game, and I will most certainly never click on that ad because I'm not gonna buy a game just to give you some marginal support.

Plz let me know where I can mail the money to.

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#6 by Durzel
2002-04-01 22:31:27
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
It would be nice if the ad was just at the top of the page only instead of being above the comment field as well.  Nothing personal but I never click on banner ads, ever.

The top one is fine, it doesn't screw up the look of the site.  The one that's staring me right in the face as I type this however - does.
#7 by Max
2002-04-01 22:31:34
http://massivebraincase.org/
What you need to set up is some special Morn-Banner system that sends you a dollar every time someone from PC downloads something from the Donkey.  You could have PlanetCrapWarezCentral and make it like Sharereactor.com, except that when the download link is clicked it sends you money first. I'd use that before I'd use Sharereactor, and it would help assuage my awful warez guilt because at least someone would be getting money.  I could even get an itemized credit card bill with an accounting of all the stuff I've warezed.

-max
#8 by Kinetech
2002-04-01 22:31:34
Chips & Bits sucks ass.

Try Compuexpert, now known as GoGamer.com. Their prices are much better.
#9 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:31:49
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
crash: Dunno, centered looks kinda strange here.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#10 by LPMiller
2002-04-01 22:34:13
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I'll second go gamer, though I understand their payout isn't the best. EB games has a program too, I believe.

The Suns rays are made up of many atoms.
#11 by Duality
2002-04-01 22:36:59
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
morn ...
Just so you know, I'm not worried about pop-ups, pop-unders, pop-strafes and whatever kind of pop-ads the porn industry can curse upon us.  It just doesn't fit.  Its like seeing the cute receptionist in a trashy leather miniskirt with red fishnet and bright red open-toed heels.

Well okay, bad analogy.  But I look forward to the CrapStore.  I will definitely be more likely to spend money on that.

Any chance of more than just games?  Perhaps like DVDs and whatnot, as well?  Amazon has good DVD prices, and those I buy like they were goin out of style.

You're the new nazis.
#12 by JP
2002-04-01 22:37:53
i don't mind the banners, but one suggestion: make the planetcrap title graphic a little smaller on the Y dimension so it doesn't hog so much real estate at the top of the page... as it is, the ad banner and PC banner together add up to about 500 pixels high.  i'd be more than happy to design a new, more compact PC6.0 logo for you morn.
#13 by Kinetech
2002-04-01 22:38:01
#10, you're likely right. GoGamer uses Commission Junction, so payouts are likely lower than some other programs out there.

Thing is, their prices just can't be beat. And since it seems like most 'crappers are warezing stuff anyway (see JK2 thread), give Morn a chance by posting up the lowest prices, right?

sanitized for your convenience
#14 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:38:48
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Durzel, did you actually read the topic? :)

Duality: yes, there'll definitely be Amazon links.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#15 by "Evi|ivE"
2002-04-01 22:39:16
No criticism here, Morn.  You do what you have to do to keep the crap up and running. :)
#16 by Gunp01nt
2002-04-01 22:42:02
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Ok so I guess morn doesn't want money from me...

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#17 by crash
2002-04-01 22:42:36
Morn:

crash: Dunno, centered looks kinda strange here.

ah well, either way, then, i guess.

TERRORIST VICTIMS NEED COMFORT AND AID. PLEASE HELP. click here
(image link)

better to donate to buy weapons to kill terrorists, i think, but yeah, that's a good cause too.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#18 by Durzel
2002-04-01 22:48:43
durzel@barrysworld.com http://www.superficial.net
Durzel, did you actually read the topic? :)

Um.. err... I thought I did.

In recognition of my crapness I will clickthrough 10 banner for you. :)
#19 by jjz
2002-04-01 22:49:49
Pledge drive!
#20 by Duality
2002-04-01 22:50:51
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
No no ... its Bake Sale!!

You're the new nazis.
#21 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:51:02
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
I'm not getting anything for clicks. :(

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#22 by Duality
2002-04-01 22:54:06
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I want to buy something, I do.  But C&B sucks.  It wouldn't be so bad if they would only direct you to the site (keeping the referral ID in the URL or something), as opposed to automatically putting in the product into the shopping cart.  It just seems to presumptuous.  I just want to see what the site has, I don't actually want to buy Sims Vacation!

Oh and yeah, the prices suck, too.

You're the new nazis.
#23 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:54:55
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Oh, there's a generic C&G banner in the rotation. maybe I'll increase its weighting.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#24 by Morn
2002-04-01 22:59:27
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Errr, C&B.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#25 by Martin
2002-04-01 23:06:05
http://www.mocol.nu
Ok, who voted for this topic?

-- Martin
Hunkalicious since 1972!
#26 by Charles
2002-04-01 23:18:03
www.bluh.org
Make sure you get a store that supports international orders (IE: Canada), and takes preorders as well.  If it's a place with reasonable shipping rates to canada, I'll happily use the crapstore.

#27 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-01 23:34:12
www.verbalchilli.com
Crapstore sounds like a good idea. I, like Gunp01nt, would be happy to mail you a cheque, should you feel this to be a secure enough method of payment. Is the addy on your homepage all I would need to get a mail from England to you?

-- ex Spatula Man --
#28 by Max
2002-04-01 23:42:30
http://massivebraincase.org/
I vote for popups.

-max
#29 by Marsh Davies
2002-04-01 23:49:24
www.verbalchilli.com
I vote for popups.

I vote for exscoriation.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#30 by Neale
2002-04-01 23:49:54
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
As long as they're porn popups. Big ones. With sound.

Eradicators! - www.eradicators.co.uk
#31 by Max
2002-04-01 23:57:24
http://massivebraincase.org/
I vote for spell checking.

-max
#32 by Creole Ned
2002-04-02 00:00:31
I agree with JP that the banner ad and PC logo take up way too much real estate at the top of the page. I'm running at 1152x864 and fully half the screen is taken up by the two graphics. The little blinking C&B ad above the comments box is annoying, too but that's only because it is, in fact, blinking (as I type this, anyway). I suppose this is their way of saying, "Have we pissed you off yet? Will you buy something from us now?" Bright idea. :)

Ultimately, though, it makes no difference to me. It's been years since I've really looked at banner ads -- it's like virtual dead space to me, easily ignored. And given the type of people who read and post here, I'd question their utility as a means to generate revenue. Heck, some are probably already blocking them. :)
#33 by Tom Cleghorn
2002-04-02 00:00:43
Crapstore sounds like a good plan.
Can't find it on their site at the moment, but I think blackstar.co.uk have some kind of affiliate program.

Hit me - I'm wasting valuable time.
#34 by Martin
2002-04-02 00:05:43
http://www.mocol.nu
#32 by Creole Ned
And given the type of people who read and post here, I'd question their utility as a means to generate revenue. Heck, some are probably already blocking them. :)

Well, given that Morn doesn't even get paid for click-throughs, let alone impressions, ad blockers doesn't make a difference here.

-- Martin
Hunkalicious since 1972!
#35 by Nemesis
2002-04-02 00:12:12
nemesis@unholy-trinity.co.uk http://www.unholy-trinity.co.uk
If I remember correctly Lik-Sang have a nice affiliates program going and they steal most of my cash every month. Average payout is alledgedly $13.50 per shopper if i remeber correctly.
#36 by JMCDaveL
2002-04-02 02:15:29
KEKEKEKE

--jmc
#37 by George Broussard
2002-04-02 02:32:10
georgeb@3drealms.com
Ads?  Who cares...run em'.
#38 by Morn
2002-04-02 02:49:03
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
George, you can pre-order DNF to support this site. Go for it!

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#39 by The_Joker
2002-04-02 04:03:54
http://www.jackinworld.com
#36 by JMCDaveL:

Everytime you do that I get a bukakke image in my mind. Please stop. kthx.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#40 by The_Joker
2002-04-02 04:04:23
http://www.jackinworld.com
#39 me:

What the fuck am I smoking? Continue!!!!!!1

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#41 by JMCDaveL
2002-04-02 04:42:46
46.95 for Jedi Outcast?

I don't pay more than 30 bucks for a game online, 39 in a store. :P

--jmc
#42 by The_Joker
2002-04-02 05:01:34
http://www.jackinworld.com
#41 by JMCDaveL:

AHAHAHAHAHA! I don't pay ANYTHING for a game online.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#43 by dsmart
2002-04-02 05:03:07
dsmart@3000ad.com http://www.dereksmart.com
Morn, sell me the site and you can retire to that island somewhere in a third world country you always wanted to retire to.

I'll call it Smart's House O' Crap.

Beats banners

It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me. It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!
#44 by LPMiller
2002-04-02 05:57:39
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
First Something Awful, now PlanetCrap.

Derek, adopt me? I don't eat much, honest.

The Suns rays are made up of many atoms.
#45 by Russ
2002-04-02 06:14:02
Will the Crapstore also have Planetcrap T-shirts, mousepads, calendars, coffee mugs etc? Although a coffee cup with a Morncam™ image staring out of it would give me the creeps. I'm afraid that whatever game(s) is being offered would just be the subject of constant thread hijacks about how buggy, unpolished, or generally un-fun it is.

This post sponsored by DrPepper
#46 by BobJustBob
2002-04-02 07:06:51
Hey Morn, find me a good deal on IL-2 Sturmovik, and you've got your commission. =)
#47 by VeeSPIKE
2002-04-02 07:57:10
Personally, I think you should call it the Crapper's Market, but that is just me.

Banners are fine, but I hate, loathe, despise, and will block pop-ups/unders.
#48 by Morn
2002-04-02 07:59:51
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
There will be no pop-ups on PlanetCrap.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#49 by Morn
2002-04-02 07:59:58
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
And no pop-unders.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#50 by Morn
2002-04-02 08:00:12
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
And no pop-next-tos.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
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