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March 28th 2002, 19:03 CET by Morn

We interrupt this website for an important message from... myself. If you're currently sending me money by way of a Paypal donation subscription, please cancel it. Also, please do not send me any further one-time donations. Paypal has put a restriction on my account because my credit card got rejected "multiple times" (read: "it got rejected once, but we'll restrict the sucker's account anyway"), so now I couldn't withdraw whatever money you'd send my way. I'm not planning on having this restriction lifted. I do not intend to use online payment services that simply block accounts without sending any prior notice. Instead I'm trying to get the entire account deleted. Right now it looks like I can't have the account closed while it's restricted. I am not surprised. I even told them they could keep the money that is on it right now ($11 or so). Freaks.

Maybe this is also a good moment to thank everyone who's sent in donations. You rock. :)
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#1 by Xero
2002-03-28 19:05:31
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
Funny thing is I was talking to a friend yesterday about how much I should reasonably contribute and now today its gone, weird!

"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
-Ornette Coleman
#2 by Funkdrunk
2002-03-28 19:10:36
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Xero

You forgot the obligatory "First Post" shout.

Funk.
#3 by Morn
2002-03-28 19:13:58
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Just in time then. :)

Seriously though, when there are problems with my registered credit card, I understand that Paypal would get curious/cautious, but

- they could have sent me a notice first, telling me to get the credit card thing sorted out "or else"
- in order to get the restriction lifted, I have to send an expensive fax from here (Germany) to there (Fuckland); I don't agree with how they're handling this, and I'm not going to a) waste printer ink for printing the page they want me to fax; b) go to town to find a place with a fax machine (I don't have one); c) spend LOTS OF MONEY on an international fax (it'd already be expensive if I had my own fax machine, but if I do it in a shop it'll be extra bonus level-up expensvie).
- I can't get the account deleted without getting the restriction lifted (see above);
- I can't stop people from sending you money without getting the account deleted (see above);
- I don't even know what's up with the credit card they have on file.

I just hope for every non-US webmaster who's using Paypal for donations/whatever that there will never be any problems with his/her Paypal account.

Fuck them.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#4 by Morn
2002-03-28 19:14:25
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Fuck Paypal, not the webmasters. :)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#5 by Morn
2002-03-28 19:16:35
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
But the #1 reason why I'm pissed is that THIS RUINED MY FUCKING DAY. I was going to do some more C# love, and it's evening again.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#6 by Gunp01nt
2002-03-28 19:16:54
supersimon33@hotmail.com
what everyone wants to know, of course: what were you buying when your credit card got rejected?

(you don't really have to answer that one :)

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#7 by Max
2002-03-28 19:19:58
http://massivebraincase.org/
Morn - I know there's other ways to set up contributory subscriptions or whatever; you should definitely do that.  Every little bit helps, but I know how difficult it is for one to just mail you a check or something.

You're not the first to have this sort of experience with Paypal, because PayPal Sucks.

-max
#8 by Leslie Nassar
2002-03-28 19:22:50
http://departmentofinternets.com
It's really a shame Western Union don't offer a PayPal-like system.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#9 by jafd
2002-03-28 19:24:39
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
www.paypalsucks.com, just because it can't be said enough.
All these *sucks.com sites are reminiscent of another naming convention, hhmm? :)

Hopefully there is another option beyond Amazon. Is there?

"Would a bad person encase themselves in puppies like this?"
#10 by Marsh Davies
2002-03-28 19:29:17
www.verbalchilli.com
What a bunch of bastards. Such is the way of the world these days.

I still think t-shirts would have been a better money spinner. I mean, you could always cut costs by giving out Magic Phantom T-shirts™ like TMOL.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#11 by Marsh Davies
2002-03-28 19:31:19
www.verbalchilli.com
Or maybe not. TMOL uses paypal too.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#12 by Morn
2002-03-28 19:34:10
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
PC Shirts: it may still happen some day. However, actually getting the money will still be a problem, and Paypal will not be an option.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#13 by Morn
2002-03-28 19:35:03
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
And yes, I've known about paypalsucks.com for a while, but I've always just thought they were a bunch of whiners who violated PayPal's AUP and got their deserved punishment. I'm such a lamer sometimes. :(

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#14 by Max
2002-03-28 19:44:04
http://massivebraincase.org/
There was some other site I was just reading about where the guy got utterly screwed over by Paypal - he had like US$10k in donations and has basically lost it all because of their Nazi credit card policy and the way they don't even answer the phone.  It's as if they know they're screwing people - imagine that.

-max
#15 by Duality
2002-03-28 19:47:39
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Morn: PCshirts would be perfect.  I would kill for a monochromatic grey poloshirt with the bronto on the breast instead of an alligator!  And I'd look good at work!

Hurry up and get something else going ... I feel strangely compelled to give you $3 a month.
#16 by Matthew Gallant
2002-03-28 20:00:50
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
About T-Shirts, morn. I'd say don't do it. I figured that with over 10,000 regular visitors, I'd be able to sell 180, get them made and send them out. I've sold 61. I have to get 72 shirts now, at a higher cost than if I got 180. I'm going to buy 11 shirts and sell them later, if I can sell them at all, which along with the higher cost per shirt, means I may never actually make any money from this. Not any appreciable money. I could probably make more spending just an hour begging on a street corner every day.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#17 by Morn
2002-03-28 20:19:54
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
Begging on the street... mmm. Now there's a plan. :)

Duality: if I put the bronto on a shirt, a certain game company from Norway will sue me to hell and back. I'm kinda surprised they haven't emailed me about the decapitated bronto image yet. Mmm. (Disclaimer: I like their MMOG. I paid 6 months in advance. Using Paypal! Hahahahaha!)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/lover/kraut
#18 by Marsh Davies
2002-03-28 20:35:37
www.verbalchilli.com
Matthew Gallant:
About T-Shirts, morn. I'd say don't do it.

But none of your troubles indicate that t-shirts don't sell. Just t-shirts with your site's logo don't sell. It's not hideous or anything, but... I just can't see myself ever wanting to wear it. I don't like being a billboard. If you had some witty catchphrase, or some funky icon as the main image, with your web address as a small addendum on the back, then I'd be much more eager to fork out.

What are the logistics of selling a variety of different designs? Does this cost more? Are you paying per design or what?

Also, it's through paypal, and, although not based on any rationale, I don't trust it with my credit card.

-- ex Spatula Man --
#19 by BabiG
2002-03-28 20:50:25
I don't know if the comment was sarcastic or not, but western union does have something similar...

MoneyZap

I've never tried it, don't know if or how much it costs, and I just noticed this "note" at the bottom of their page:

Note: Effective 02/01/02, users will no longer be able to send or request email payments. However, users will still be able to shop and pay online merchants.


So it might not be useful for the purpose...but it exists.

"God is dead." --Nietzsche, 1883
"Nietzsche is dead." --God, 1900
#20 by Ed
2002-03-28 20:56:21
coj@funkatron.com http://www.funkatron.com
What are the logistics of selling a variety of different designs? Does this cost more? Are you paying per design or what?


I dunno Matthew's situation, but most small-time t-shirt shops have a minimum run they can do... maybe 30-60 shirts.  Usually, the more you buy of one design, the cheaper it is.  But it's still like $10 a shirt or more, so even a small run can be a significant up-front cost, which tends to make folks nervous about making several different designs: typically one or two will sell well, while the rest sit around reminding you that you could have bought an assload of pringles with that cash.

-Ed
#21 by Duality
2002-03-28 21:10:47
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Morn: Yeah I know that wouldn't be possible ... I just like the idea of having a bronto on a polo shirt.  Maybe AO should make some and give them away with accounts.

Though they're really crappy in quality compared to the sort of stuff you could get with a full design / wholesale distributor -- there is always CafePress.  They make some decent stuff if you can pull off the design.  I had made beer steins that said "All your <Huber bock logo saying "Huber" on it> are belong to us" back when it was still funny to say All your <something> are belong to us."  And they were pretty darned good quality beer steins.  Bought 4 of em.  Too bad it was an Oktoberfest limited offer.
#22 by Ed
2002-03-28 21:26:27
coj@funkatron.com http://www.funkatron.com
I tried to do cafe press stuff for my band about a year ago, and I really hated it.  The shirts themselves were decent, but the iron-on type printing tended to get fubared in the wash.  Plus, they have raised their prices to the point where you have to charge like $17 a piece just to make a buck or two on the shirt.  However, your mileage may vary with their mug and mousepad junk.
#23 by "Paul Bullman"
2002-03-28 21:31:34
paul@shrinkweb.com http://www.paul.mu
I like paypal, and to remedy this situation, i have told the old people at my church to all write letters.
#24 by ben
2002-03-28 21:49:37
www.bjstaab.com
#18 by Martin Davies

But none of your troubles indicate that t-shirts don't sell. Just t-shirts with your site's logo don't sell. It's not hideous or anything, but... I just can't see myself ever wanting to wear it. I don't like being a billboard. If you had some witty catchphrase, or some funky icon as the main image, with your web address as a small addendum on the back, then I'd be much more eager to fork out.


What, buddah with a joystick isn't funky enough? :)

And yes, I am in fact waiting ever so patiently for my TMOL shirt.  Being only one of 62 (or so) people makes me feel special in a way I'd rather not discuss in public.

ben
#25 by Duality
2002-03-28 21:58:54
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I've actually had some pretty good success with CafePress' iron-on crap.  And it often depends on how you wash it ... inside out, cold water, hang dry.  I've tried doing that with all of my tshirts.
#26 by Dev
2002-03-28 22:19:35
admin@techillimit.net
Ouch, sorry to hear about that morn.

"If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -- Lewis Carroll
#27 by Ed
2002-03-28 22:38:23
coj@funkatron.com http://www.funkatron.com
I've actually had some pretty good success with CafePress' iron-on crap.  And it often depends on how you wash it ... inside out, cold water, hang dry.  I've tried doing that with all of my tshirts.


Yes, I suppose my usual "bang the dirt out with rocks" approach might not do wonders for fabric longevity. 8)
#28 by The_Joker
2002-03-28 23:08:03
http://www.jackinworld.com
Paypall is the anti-christ.

Then again, Jesus doesn't like people deleting other people's topic which covers the other people deleting the topic in the first place....so there you go.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#29 by jjohnsen
2002-03-28 23:27:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#16 by Matthew Gallant
 
 About T-Shirts, morn. I'd say don't do it. I figured that with over 10,000 regular visitors, I'd be able to sell 180, get them made and send them out. I've sold 61. I have to get 72 shirts now, at a higher cost than if I got 180. I'm going to buy 11 shirts and sell them later, if I can sell them at all, which along with the higher cost per shirt, means I may never actually make any money from this. Not any appreciable money. I could probably make more spending just an hour begging on a street corner every day.


Here's the problem, when people (maybe only you) have linked to the site in the past they link directly to a page of wisdom, so I've never even bothered looking at the front page.  I just bought a shirt so now I have to convince 19 or so others to buy one so you'll send it.

#30 by Sgt Hulka
2002-03-28 23:35:52
I have to send an expensive fax from here (Germany) to there (Fuckland);


Isn't Fuckland located on the Island of Misfit Toys?

.....Yet Another 0l$en Twin Approved +12 Post!
#31 by HoseWater
2002-03-29 00:34:50
barneyque@hotmail.com
Personally, I think the world needs to get the tit of the middle man out of its mouth, and start spending real earned, already got it in the bank money again.  Credit card companies have taken over the world, THEY are the one true evil empire.

But then I think I've said enough about credit cards here that I'll just stop now before the boo's start.

© 1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#32 by Sgt Hulka
2002-03-29 00:54:23
I believe the credit cards prey on the young, enslaving them, and that is wrong.  It's also wrong to be ignorant of the danger of credit cards.

Teach your children well.

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#33 by chris
2002-03-29 00:56:32
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
HoseWater -

People have booed you for saying that?

Guess no one likes to hear the truth. :P

I have one VISA card, and I'm currently paying it off so I can ditch it, and get an Amex card instead (which forces you to pay the whole thing each month).

-chris
#34 by HoseWater
2002-03-29 01:10:26
barneyque@hotmail.com
Well, no, I guess I've not been booed yet, but I do tend to get something in my mind, and go on about it at length until everyone is sick of me.  :)

The only somewhat negative comments I get usually come from well intentioned people who when they first hear that I have none, roll out the 'you should get a card, buy something, and pay it off to establish your credit' line.

While their intentions are good, it misses the point. Having, no, credit history is really of no consequence to me since I don't use credit. They kind of go hand in hand, and I have no use for either.

But like I said, I've already gone on at length in another thread on the matter, so I'll pipe down again, unless of course someone says something that deserves a response.

© 1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#35 by Gabe
2002-03-29 01:21:33
http://www.dartpublishing.com
Good grief. I guess I have the "special" credit cards that don't require me to carry a balance. Seems like a royal pain to not have any credit cards, particularly for ordering things online.
#36 by jafd
2002-03-29 01:21:38
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
get an Amex card instead (which forces you to pay the whole thing each month).

An exceptionally nice thing about doing this is that it makes credit card companies hate you. Hate, hate, hate!

"JWITIWO... TPMBI!"
#37 by HoseWater
2002-03-29 01:28:47
barneyque@hotmail.com
I almost tend to agree with you, but I am told you americans have these cool debit card things that make ordering online a real piece of cake without needing a credit card. My bank tells me we are getting them at some point as well. That'll do me just fine.

The only pain I suffer, and I really don't feel like I am missing much, is that the local video rental stores won't do business with me.  In the end, I really feel its their loss more than mine though.

As for balances, yes, they seem to just love those, I get reams of applications sent to me in the mail, and they all promise me the world if only I will transfer an existing balance to them.  Just like drug dealers they are, first hit is free.

© 1968-2002 Robert 'HoseWater" Lloyd
#38 by "Paul Bullman"
2002-03-29 02:09:48
paul@shrinkweb.com http://www.paul.mu
Sgt Hulka:


I believe the credit cards prey on the young, enslaving them, and that is wrong.  It's also wrong to be ignorant of the danger of credit cards.

Teach your children well.


They're credit hell, will slowly go bye.
And feed them on your credit
The ones they pick, will have low rates.

- Paul
#39 by "Paul Bullman"
2002-03-29 02:15:12
paul@shrinkweb.com http://www.paul.mu
By the way, it's not the credit cards which screw up people's finances.

It's people not knowing how to manage their MONEY! People wonder why their credit cards have such high rates, yet when you don't pay your bills, do you expect your credit company to just give whatever you buy free to you?

Credit card companies get screwed by the massive amounts of bancruptcies. And just as much by the credit counselors which basically agree to forgive some of the debt, so that the customer will pay at least some of the debt.

If you use your credit responsibly, you will be just fine! You will prove to credit card companies your risk is low. Then your rates will drop.

Come on Consumers, if you can't afford something don't buy it. And if you  do buy it, you must pay for it. Otherwise it's YOUR fault you have bed credit.
#40 by bishop
2002-03-29 02:17:42
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
That's all well and good Paul, but I'd rather not deal with the hassle of such things and side with Hose in this matter.

May the end of the world be warm and smoldering.
At least for some of you.
#41 by LPMiller
2002-03-29 02:25:11
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
personal debt roxxers.

No...wait...

Sgt Hulka is right...I had really poor money role models.  My personal credit debt is now close to 10,000 - which is actually a good thing, because it used to be double that. Debit cards are wonderous things.

The Suns rays are made up of many atoms.
#42 by "Paul Bullman"
2002-03-29 02:31:31
paul@shrinkweb.com http://www.paul.mu
bishop:

that's the thing, if you don't want a credit card, yo udon't have to sign up for one.
#43 by JMCDaveL
2002-03-29 02:48:03
Morn get some shirts printed up with Gameskins.com or something, I have a Gameskins shirt and it's probably the best quality t-shirt I've ever bought on the internet.

Jesus, I think I should get a check or something for saying that.

--jmc
#44 by Warren Marshall
2002-03-29 02:51:00
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I agree 100%.  GameSkins shirts are the best ... very solid and durable.

I am a magnificent three toed sloth.
#45 by Sgt Hulka
2002-03-29 04:22:30
#39 Paul "Credit card companies get screwed by the massive amounts of bancruptcies."


Not any longer.  Bush changed that in a recent bill.  You can no longer claim outstanding credit card debt on banruptcy.

.....Yet Another 0l$en Twin Approved +12 Post!
#46 by chris
2002-03-29 05:18:09
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
Paul -

My rate on my visa is 12% instead of the standard 19% (yay, credit unions!), and I pay more than the minimum every month. That's not the problem. =)

What's unfortunate is that no one taught me how to manage my money terribly well, and I didn't learn until about a year or two ago, so from 18-->22, I put a lot of cash on the card (still never missed a payment, tho) for CRAP, and am now still paying on that CRAP, years later.

I *can* manage my money, and I use my debit card far, far more frequently than my VISA (which sometimes goes several months between uses). Hell, out here in CA you can use debit even at most fast food places.

But not everything takes debit... renting cars, for example, requires a "real" card. So I have a real card. I'd just prefer to not even have the option of having an outstanding balance. I have plenty of established credit history. No need for any more.

-chris
#47 by EricFate
2002-03-29 05:25:57
Um.  Why not just print the form, then scan it, and have someone in the US use something like WinFax to send it for a great deal *less* than an international call.  Like free.
#48 by Caryn
2002-03-29 05:27:04
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
If it weren't for my husband (9 years older than me and, when I met him when I was 19, far more experienced in the ways of the financial world than I), I'd probably be so in debt it would take me lifetimes to get out.

My husband and I are paying off some credit card debt his ex-wife managed to wrack up before she left him, and we're paying off his student loans. So that we wouldn't accrue any more debt while I was in college, we wrote a check every semester for my tuition. It killed us to do it, but we vowed we'd rather live poor for a few years and come out on the other side with no added student loans. I learned the value of staples those years -- learning to make food from the basics like flour, eggs, and milk so that we could save money. We ate a lot of beans. :)

We don't use credit cards, we use debit cards -- money straight out of the checkbook. We have bills we're paying on two credit cards, but we cut the cards a couple of years ago so we couldn't use them. It wasn't until I started working at GameSpy after college that the two of us finally experienced a two-income household and we're finding that we're doing pretty well at saving money. As a result, yesterday we plunked down a massive payment on one of our two credit cards and next month we're paying off the last of it as well as our truck loan. In less than a year, the only bill aside from our rent and utilities will be my car. Woohoo!

"When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.'  I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'"  - G. Stoddart
#49 by Caryn
2002-03-29 05:28:10
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
chris --

I rent cards with my debit card all the time. It works and looks just like Visa except that it takes money out of my account. I've never actually had someone tell me that they don't take it (unless they don't take credit cards at all).

"When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.'  I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'"  - G. Stoddart
#50 by Sgt Hulka
2002-03-29 05:38:17
Caryn/Chris,  I too use a debit card with the MasterCard logo on it to rent cars.  Works like a charm.  

I think we spend too much money on stuff that really doesn't bring us any happiness. And unfortunately we tend to spend money we don't have to get it. The result is a bunch of rusting computers, cars and stereo equipment and a mountain of consumer debt.  That's my opinion, and I could be wrong..

but I'm not.  :)

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