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Digital Fight Club, or Deathmatch for the new millenium?
March 15th 2002, 10:30 CET by Duality

You stand before the steel box. Clenching the small knob between your thumb and forefinger, and placing your left hand on the cold, metallic plate.  But it won't be cold for long.

This will be the most intense game you've ever faced.  Not only is your pride on the line, but so are your nerves, and perhaps the skin on your palm.  And you thought pong was easy.  But you love it.

At least, that's what the makers of The Painstation think you'll feel.

After months of the seemingly silent disappearance of Mad Catz' BioForce Controller, the first controller to provide a player with small electronic shocks to allow feeling the game; the Painstation enters.  It promises to be "the prophet of a future, not necessarily peaceful, but more-efficient-civilisation."

From the description doc:
The painstation is an arcade cabinet.  The opponents stand facing each other.  The duel is based on pong, the well known game of console tennis from the early days.

The instructions are easily explained:
The player's right hand uses a knob to control his pad.  The left hand has to remain on the PEU (Pain-Execution-Unit), so it creates an electric circuit.  The game can start.  Moving the paddle vertically the ball must be subtley returned into the opponent's direction.  If a player misses the ball, it's not only annoying, but also painful.  This slip causes massive anguish.  How massive depends on which PIS (Pain-Inflictor-Symbol) the lost ball hits:  heat, lashes, or electric shocks all of different duration and torrment the left hand (the new name of 'pang' comes to the authors' minds).  In case one of the competitors lifts his hand off the PEU -- either out of pain overload or he blacks out -- he loses the duel.

And sorry to say, he has to bear the "loser's brunt."  The winner gets it all:  the respect, the booze, and the sexual attention.  The next time someone urges you politely to choose the weapon, choose the painstation.


Tilman Reiff, one of the inventors swears that, "for those who don't mind a bit of pain, they usually find it extremely addictive."  In the same article, stating that, "When you're playing in public against a friend with people cheering you on, it's very hard to throw in the towel without putting up a good fight. I've seen people leave the table with blood on their hands and their skin completely raw because they didn't want to back down in front of an audience."

Likewise, their next project is said to be a high-tech punchingbag with multiplayer applications.

Is there really a chance violent gaming will take a turn for the real in the future?  And will the public enjoy it?
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#1 by godZero
2002-03-15 10:35:33
godzero@gmx.de
Hmmm....:-)
#2 by Ashiran
2002-03-15 10:39:11
Whatever happened to games that were just some kind of leisure experience rather then the hypermultiorgasmicthrillkicks everybody wants them to be today?

In anwser to the "wil the public enjoy it" question. I'm sure there is a market for it. How big this market is I have no idea. I prefer playing games wihout getting my hands burnroasted.

Everybody is complaining about RSI and epileptic attacks when playing to long. Then where the hell does this fit in? You don't even have to play long. Only thing you have to do is suck at the game.

Seeing it my way since 1979
#3 by godZero
2002-03-15 10:42:45
godzero@gmx.de
This device is the stupidest thing I've ever seen (provided it's not a hoax).
#4 by m0nty
2002-03-15 10:49:56
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Wake me up when those crazy Germans invent the PleasureStation.
#5 by Desiato
2002-03-15 11:01:50
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
Never underestimate the potential for this thing to make a LOT of money.

If there is anything constant about young males, its the macho factor. Put one of these in a sports bar in a few cities, guaranteed they'll be pulling in big bucks. Mostly because the guys don't want to back down in front of their inebriated friends (who probably will have dared them to play it in the first place.) Hell, this would be a goldmine in a strip club - I can see it now, the girls would be told to "encourage" men to play, and also stand by their 'man' of the moment to put on the pressure to play longer.

If this thing even tied in and did some kind of direct debit (who wants to remove their hands to put dollars or whatever currency in) for each pain 'hit', this could end up being one of the biggest money makers since friggin slot machines. (The winner getting the 'pot' of money by lasting the longest...but also enduring the most pain..)

It would also be amusing to watch people put themselves through it for a glimmer of glory (or even monetary payoff..)

But I'm evil like that.
#6 by m0nty
2002-03-15 11:10:25
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
In all seriousness, I suspect this device is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
#7 by zakk
2002-03-15 11:12:50
zakk@timedoctor.org
Wake me up when those crazy Germans invent the PleasureStation.


You do realise that since this is crazy germans the "PleasureStation" would probably be something involving knocking you to the ground and peeing on your belly while the  "PleasureStation" screams "house on fire house on fire"

-zakk
#8 by zakk
2002-03-15 11:14:24
zakk@timedoctor.org
s/realise/realize/

-zakk
#9 by Darkseid-D
2002-03-15 12:44:08
rogerboal@hotmail.com
grep English/American +&realise/realize


:>


(and yes, I know its a nonsensical command)


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#10 by Hugin
2002-03-15 13:32:28
lmccain@nber.org
I see this being about as significant and lasting as mechanical bulls as a stupid bar phenomenon.

I agree it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.  

The lawmakers complaining about GTA3 or whatever will also love it.

Between crap this this and celebrity boxing...

Germans:  Just bite the bullet and pay for the therapy. The pain games, the fetish porn, the attempts to take over the world, it's all just masking the underlying issues. It's a cry for help.  What next?  State sponsored secret cutting?  You owe it to yourselves and the nations that love you to get healthy.
#11 by Martin
2002-03-15 13:45:05
http://www.mocol.nu
I'll buy one and put in my bedroom. Seems like great foreplay.

-- Martin
"Burger me!"
#12 by Bezzy
2002-03-15 13:45:33
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
I see that their advertising works to Hendrikson's law:

The Deeper the Voice Over, the Better the Product.

Sick and tired and not impressed with shoehorning art into a profitable industry.
#13 by godZero
2002-03-15 14:43:31
godzero@gmx.de
If they raise the voltage, this might be a "pleasure machine" for Germans... >-)
#14 by godZero
2002-03-15 14:46:03
godzero@gmx.de
...or rather Englishmen.
#15 by Bezzy
2002-03-15 15:24:23
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
If they raise the voltage,

...this might be suitable for a DIY Deathsentance vending machine.

I wonder what they call it if you were able to rent this out at blockbuster like any play-before-you-pay title?

Try-before-you-fry?

Sick and tired and not impressed with shoehorning art into a profitable industry.
#16 by Bezzy
2002-03-15 15:24:46
painberry@hotmail.com http://www.antifactory.org
IN TEXAS I MEAN

Sick and tired and not impressed with shoehorning art into a profitable industry.
#17 by godZero
2002-03-15 15:29:16
godzero@gmx.de
Well, not THAT high...just enough for S/M freaks. Handier than a whip, I suppose :-)
#18 by MCorleone
2002-03-15 15:52:07
I don't understand how the pain is actually transmitted - I thought that it was electricity, but that wouldn't cause "blood" on a player when they remove their hands.

Pins?  Circular saw?

Contrary to popular belief, not all forms of ignorance are bliss
#19 by Duality
2002-03-15 15:52:59
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Thinking...

uNF!
#20 by Funkdrunk
2002-03-15 16:13:48
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
MCorleone

I don't understand how the pain is actually transmitted


According to the docs, pain is delivered by heat, shock or lash.

Funk.
#21 by Post-It
2002-03-15 16:54:11
keithlee@speakeasy.net
Umm...Too much time on their hands? A fully functional, automated rubix cube solver, constructed of Legos.
#22 by Caryn
2002-03-15 16:58:49
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Hugin:

Germans:  Just bite the bullet and pay for the therapy. The pain games, the fetish porn, the attempts to take over the world, it's all just masking the underlying issues. It's a cry for help.  What next?  State sponsored secret cutting?  You owe it to yourselves and the nations that love you to get healthy.


Great post to read while drinking coffee -- my first laugh of the day. :)

I don't think there's much potential for this thing unless, like Desiato says, it's in a public venue where the macho factor comes into play. I just cannot imagine someone using this in their own home when no one else is watching, unless it's being marketed to the BDSM crowd. Is anyone sure this isn't a hoax? (But hey, DigiSmell wasn't a hoax and I thought it couldn't be real when I read it, so what do I know.)

"When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.'  I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'"  - G. Stoddart
#23 by Caryn
2002-03-15 17:01:55
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Can you imagine what it would be like to be on the QA team for this product? Man, talk about a sucky assignment.

"When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.'  I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'"  - G. Stoddart
#24 by Caryn
2002-03-15 17:16:26
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Completely off-topic: the EQ Dark Elf RealDoll.

There are just no words for this atrocity.

"When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.'  I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'"  - G. Stoddart
#25 by Gunp01nt
2002-03-15 17:18:12
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Caryn:
Can you imagine what it would be like to be on the QA team for this product? Man, talk about a sucky assignment.

"The sting on this pike is way too heavy, guys! better adjust that!"
*team makes adjustments"

*tester tries again.... "AAAAAARG!! It's still too painful, guys!"

"I'm not sleeping with a junior high-schooler, I have a life sized doll that looks just like one."
#26 by Matt Perkins
2002-03-15 17:20:06
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Caryn:
Why must you scar us...  I'll have the taint of that "thing" on my mind for the rest of my life...  Someday I'll be telling my kids about the day I was 'sullied'.

game designer.  RTS lover.  Herbert owner.  Bullshit artist.  Not so humble anymore.
#27 by Greg
2002-03-15 17:37:52
There already is an amusement game that deals out punishment as "electricity". It uses Fester from the Addams family. I think that the games "electricity" isn't so much electricity as it is insane vibration. I played through it once, but its kind of stupid to play it multiple times.

Greg

-Swallow it all and be glad, for a shilling I've paid and a shilling's worth I'll be having!
#28 by crash
2002-03-15 17:45:40
Caryn:

Completely off-topic: the EQ Dark Elf RealDoll.

and this surprises you, because...? i'm sort of surprised that it isn't firiona vie(sp), all things considered. all i know is i wish i were wealthy enough to be able to spend six thousand dollars on something like that. be nice having six grand i could waste. i'd buy a miata.

as for the topic: great idea. how long do you think it'll take before some idiot (drunk or otherwise) slaps their package on the hot-plate? i say less than four hours. it'll be a huge hit in the s/m market, though--sadists could make masochists play it and lose, and everyone would be happy. hope it's got an easy-wipe surface.

the scariest part is that someone, somewhere is convinced that enough people will pay to be abused that this is actually marketable.

then again, EQ's customer service has already set that precedent, so maybe it's not totally unlikely.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#29 by Funkdrunk
2002-03-15 17:49:25
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
crash

how long do you think it'll take before some idiot (drunk or otherwise) slaps their package on the hot-plate?


Thanks.

Now I'm double scarred.  Once from the dark elf blow up doll, then the image of a package on a hot plate.

I think I'll go to therapy now.

Funk.
#30 by crash
2002-03-15 17:52:37
Funk: PC is therapy. PC is luv! keke ^^

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#31 by Darkseid-D
2002-03-15 18:07:58
rogerboal@hotmail.com
the masochist - beat me hurt me make me bleed
the sadist      - No


that, is the reality :P


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#32 by Foodbunny
2002-03-15 18:14:12
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
I agree that if placed in sports bars and strip clubs these things could be incredibly profitable.  But they need a game more exciting than pong.  Team this up with a fighting game.

"Our busts get bigger and bigger because they're bursting with great expectations for the future!  The he`t`nd p`rrhnn vd hnid in our chests is called life!"
#33 by Charles
2002-03-15 18:17:50
www.bluh.org
There already is an amusement game that deals out punishment as "electricity". It uses Fester from the Addams family. I think that the games "electricity" isn't so much electricity as it is insane vibration. I played through it once, but its kind of stupid to play it multiple times.


I played that.  I've been electrocuted before, and there was no electricity coming out of that thing.  However, the vibration got so crazy, that to this day the knuckles on my hand still make this odd clicking sometimes.  I think it loosened my joints.  Go figure.  

I can picture this thing putting out electric shocks, but nothing so bad as to do physical damage.  I mean really.  Unless they have everyone who wants to play sign a waver... yeah right.

#34 by Martin
2002-03-15 18:18:47
http://www.mocol.nu
The only problem I have with the chanting of "keke" here at PC is that I keep associating it with "tekelili", and those of you that know your Lovecraft also knows that this is not a comforting sound.

Then again, I am abnormal. ("Where wolf? There wolf. There castle.") Anyone who gets this connection is up for a treat.

-- Martin
"Burger me!"
#35 by Charles
2002-03-15 18:18:50
www.bluh.org
I agree that if placed in sports bars and strip clubs these things could be incredibly profitable.  But they need a game more exciting than pong.  Team this up with a fighting game.


Why not fight to begin with then?  I'd rather take and give a few punches rather than be electrocuted.

#36 by JMCDaveL
2002-03-15 18:39:10
kekekekeke

Everytime I say it I get this mental picture of chattering koreans running around peekaying everyone.

--jmc
#37 by Bailey
2002-03-15 18:56:42
Caryn

Completely off-topic: the EQ Dark Elf RealDoll.

It needs about four cup sizes bigger to qualify as an EQ Dark Elf. Unless this is the pre-teen model, which is even worse. Actually, this left me thinking... "How could one take one of those ugly RealDolls and make it even less attractive than a mannequin with downs?"

The obvious answer is sloppily applied blue paint, white eyebrows, and a damaged mind.

Completely On-Topic

While I agree with Desiato that this thing would do gangbusters in the bars, (think of the shocky World Domination game from the Bond movie whose title I forget, Living Daylights?) there's one simple issue here that will never be resolved.

I've seen people leave the table with blood on their hands and their skin completely raw

This is basically an STD public-transit system waiting to happen if it breaks the skin via needle or lash or whatever. For that simple reason, it'll never sell. Now, if it's just electricity or vibration, maybe, but that sounds like a complete redesign.

I was bitter and cynical before it was cool.
#38 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 19:26:36
Even worse than an RealDoll elf-doll:

The SheMale Doll

Scroll down. You'll see it.

Description from web site:

SheMale Realdoll                                  
        We can add a penis to any of our Realdoll models. We have sold several of these special dolls as custom orders. Any size penis can be added, and the vagina of the doll can either be eliminated or remain intact, depending on the customer's wishes. The charge for this enhancement is generally $500.00.


Not bad, right, when you consider:

Question: What is the price for a REALDOLL?

The Standard REALDOLL, body types 1,2, and 4, are $5749.00. Body types 3 and 5 are $5999.00. The Male Realdoll is $6999.00. Shipping is $450 within the continental United States, and generally $800.00 international.


You know, if I had that kind of money lying around, I could think of better things to spend it on...

Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
#39 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 19:28:00
Eek! Just from reading the FAQ:

Question: What if I don't fit with RealDoll's sex parts?

REALDOLL's vaginal and anal cavities are made snug to accommodate any insertion. The silicone flesh is soft, slippery, and very elastic. Any petroleum or water-based lubricants can be applied to ease entry. REALDOLL's oral cavity contains soft silicone tongue and teeth. The oral cavity is as snug as the doll's other entries. All of REALDOLL's cavities allow deep insertions.


Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
#40 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 19:29:27
You know what, rather than just post any more, if you want a good laugh, read the FAQ:

[url=http://www.realdoll.com/faq.html#people]FAQ[url]

Hey, more power to them. If they can get people to pay them good money for that, they're doing something right.

Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
#41 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 19:30:22
FAQ

Doh

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#42 by Duality
2002-03-15 19:30:48
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I just have to wonder how much of those prices are pure profit.

I can't imagine, if they're that expensive to make, that they're selling a whole lot.

uNF!
#43 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 19:32:51
Eek. I DID NOT make this one up:

Question: Can I use my REALDOLL as a pool toy?

You can use REALDOLL as a pool toy, but prolonged exposure to sunlight and/or chlorine may bleach the doll's pigmentation.


How? How would you use this as a pool toy?

Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
#44 by "Anonymous"
2002-03-15 19:37:52
So it's basicly bloody knuckles (the drinking game where you spin the quarter and shoot it at the other guys knuckles till he bleeds) in an arcade box.  I don't think it's worth the money, but there will always be some drunk idiot willing to pay.
#45 by None-1a
2002-03-15 20:04:50
I can't imagine, if they're that expensive to make, that they're selling a whole lot.


Duality take a look at what they're made of high grade silicone rubber, PVC w/ steel joints, urethane foam and vinyl components. Enough of that to make a life size doll adds up.
#46 by Shadarr
2002-03-15 20:18:26
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
$6000 (plus shipping) could get you a lot of hookers and porn.  If you played it right, it could even get you a gold-digging girlfriend (for a while).
#47 by Charles
2002-03-15 20:29:50
www.bluh.org
I quit playing bloody knuckles in junior high school...

#48 by crash
2002-03-15 20:31:03
they had a segment on the making of realdolls on... hbo? i think it was... one time. their cost to manufacture is fairly low, for materials, anyway--i mean, christ, at ~120 pounds per doll, they most likely go through tons of material. can get it cheap you buy it bulk like that, and it's not like it's going to go bad if you don't use it.

but i'd rather spend six grand on a miata anyway.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller
#49 by Foodbunny
2002-03-15 20:37:25
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
The construction of a RealDoll seems to be fairly complicated.  I don't think they "hand sculpt" the breasts anymore though.

"Our busts get bigger and bigger because they're bursting with great expectations for the future!  The he`t`nd p`rrhnn vd hnid in our chests is called life!"
#50 by yotsuya
2002-03-15 20:39:50
Stuff I'd rather buy with $6000.

2 Kick-ass PCs
300 DVDs
Arizona Diamondbacks Season Tickets
A used car
A cruise for 2 to the Bahamas
1 DV/Super VHS and some Sony Video equiptment
6000 copies of Daikatana

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