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February 24th 2002, 08:50 CET by m0nty

Salon's latest front page story by Wagner James Au is about State of Emergency, the anti-globalisation riot simulation from the producers of the Grand Theft Auto Series, Rockstar Games. The story is the usual WJA farrago of gross generalisations, unsupportable assertions and laughable conclusions ("the real threat to the anti-globalization movement may now be found in a video game"), but the most interesting part is the long series of quotes from Erik of Old Man Murray fame. The story is about how SoE is co-opting an "alternative" political movement for banal purposes, but isn't Salon also co-opting an "alternative" gaming site for its own banal purposes?

The denizens of the Old Man Murray forums have not let this deed go unpunished, wondering in a thread entitled Erik and WJA - The Reacharound Twins! whether Salon is the place to go for OMM updates, now that OMM itself is so rarely updated these days. Erik defended himself by reposting the quotes he email to WJA in full, and claimed to have been misquoted in part.

Now, this thread is not intended to be a character assassination of Erik - go to the OMM forums for that. Assassinations of WJA are allowable, albeit superfluous. The question is, does a Web "personality" gain or lose credibility by being quoted in the mainstream media? Would Blue look silly doing a guest spot on Good Morning America? How would Morn be seen if he was quoted in Der Spiegel?
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#1 by Marsh Davies
2002-02-24 10:13:51
www.verbalchilli.com
It's not the web personality that loses credibility... it's the mainstream media.

Not that either had much to start with. :)

First post, by the way. Wahaha...etc
#2 by Marsh Davies
2002-02-24 10:17:31
www.verbalchilli.com
For those of you unaware, launching in conjunction with the new PlanetCrap, Martin Davies is the new updated version of Spatula Man.

I was not coded by Morn, however.
#3 by crash
2002-02-24 12:32:14

The question is, does a Web "personality" gain or lose credibility by being quoted in the mainstream media?

credibility with whom? and when did salon become mainstream? did i miss a meeting?

and no, i didn't read wja's "story". i prefer my fiction in paperback form, thanks.
#4 by m0nty
2002-02-24 13:23:20
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Salon is about as mainstream as Web-only reportage can get, IMHO. It's like an online version of the New Yorker magazine. Its visibility is far beyond anything in the gaming Web site scene.
#5 by "Martin Davies"
2002-02-24 14:05:07
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
I like the way WJA repeatedly mentions features that are not in the game in order to subliminally tarnish the readers opinion of it. That's clever. I'll have to remember that next time I'm writing a heavily biased mindless knee-jerk reactionary article.
#6 by "Martin Davies"
2002-02-24 14:05:30
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
Damnit! Why aren't I logged in?
#7 by Marsh Davies
2002-02-24 14:06:07
www.verbalchilli.com
Better. I feel whole once more.
#8 by "Erik"
2002-02-24 16:09:02
The denizens of the Old Man Murray forums have not let this deed go unpunished, wondering in a thread entitled Erik and WJA - The Reacharound Twins! whether Salon is the place to go for OMM updates


Now, this thread is not intended to be a character assassination of Erik - go to the OMM forums for that.


I'm the first to admit that my character is impugned with alarming frequency on the omm forums, though not as frequently as chet's, though since chet is really me it all sort of evens out. But in this case the entire thread is uniformly - and uncharacteristically - pro-me. So might want to correct that part of the intro.

If you want to read some hurtful opinions of me, this thread about the Salon piece would be better. Before it ultimately derails and crashes into fatty indentity politics. there's some good information about what an idiot I am for any of you writing a school paper on the subject. And Chet's there too!

Since you're reading this thread, you might be interested in another recent outrage involving me. On friday, famous conservative canadian political funnyman Mark Steyn wrote an editorial for The Spectator in which he steals a quote from me and attributes it to Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds.

As for Mr Inyadullah’s choice between Pepsi and death, Professor Glenn Reynolds, America’s Instapundit, remarked the other week, ‘Well, it’s January and I’m drinking a Pepsi and Mr Inyadullah is probably dead.’ So things worked out swell for both parties. It’s only the Europeans who find themselves agonisingly caught between Iraq and a soft drink.


So that's all the big news about me at the moment. As for the topic of this thread, I don't really know what to say. I'm not sure how my open expression of an opposing viewpoint is an example of being co-opted in any pejorative sense. Au asked me to comment on his crackpot State of Emergency theories, and so I did. In an unpublished email that I plan to donate to UCLA when I die, I did call him a rollerblading faggot, if that helps. And just so I don't pull a Mark Steyn here, when I called Au a rollerblading faggot, I was paraphrasing the title of an Anal Cunt song.
#9 by "HoseWater"
2002-02-24 18:34:22
Hey, cool, you managed to dig up Bauman over there, we could use a Bauman over here too. I think we used to have one in the past, if you bother to reply to his Fuck You message, please do something that would cause him to come over here.


I can't say I know too much about how your quote became an attributed quote by someone else, which is being reported as stolen, but by the wrong person it seems, but Steyn is a great writer, very amusing...not at all unlike your own writing at times.

I am curious though, how do you know Steyn stole it, and not Reynolds? If Steyn is attributing it to Reynolds, does that not indicate that Reynolds stole it, not Steyn?
#10 by EricFate
2002-02-24 18:37:27
I'll take the OMM updates where I can get 'em. Even if I have it is only sloppy seconds from Salon. Now just get those bastards to start quoting Seanbaby.
#11 by EricFate
2002-02-24 18:38:02
I think there were more words in my head than made it into that last sentence.
#12 by "Erik"
2002-02-24 18:50:32
Here's the original Instapundit entry with the correct attribution.

And here's the entry in which he corrects Steyn.

So Reynolds is in the clear. Steyn's so huge he doesn't even have a published email address, so I sent some mail to the editors of The Spectator. They haven't written back yet.
#13 by "HoseWater"
2002-02-24 19:33:53
I can not for the life of me get the second provided link with the correction to come up, but the first one makes it clear enough. Looks like Steyn did some lazy reporting, and you got shafted for a good quote.
#14 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-24 22:47:30
An offtopic, yet saddening quote from this piece:
"if I owned the Total Annihilation rights, I would have made a sequel by now"
- Chris Taylor

Oh what could have been eh?

--jmc
#15 by zimbardo_ugly
2002-02-24 22:59:00
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
He still owns his fucking name -- and nobody has patented the idea of a hundred units which are basically all the same.

I guess only the big man's hurt pride saved gamers from "Absolute obliteration"?


~zugly
#16 by "Ryan Kelly"
2002-02-24 23:21:00
kelster@rockphatl33t no-tomorrow.com
And Canada wins gold. Such a relief. The parties are starting. :D

-Kel
#17 by Marsh Davies
2002-02-24 23:24:31
www.verbalchilli.com
Off topic: Cheers to Canada for it's well deserved Olympic medal.

Also off-topic: Why is John Woo advertising Windtalkers with "from the director of M:I-2"? Not only is that one of his weaker movies, but it's not the kind of association that will draw in war-movie fans.
#18 by Duality
2002-02-24 23:57:03
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Is Windtakers the WWII film that makes you think of the hero using dual Thompsons? :)
#19 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-25 00:29:42
Don't disparage the name of the holy Total Annihilation! INFIDEL!

--jmc
#20 by Leslie Nassar
2002-02-25 00:36:52
http://departmentofinternets.com
Total Abomination more like. The most unbalanced RTS with the largest number of zealots. The game where the calibre of a player is determined by how quickly he can start building a Big Bertha.
#21 by zimbardo_ugly
2002-02-25 00:58:21
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Kudos to Nassar for seeing through the "the more the merrier" design. Sophisticated my ass.
#22 by "Stepto"
2002-02-25 01:13:50
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
And here I stopped coming to planetcrap thinking it was going away.

S.
#23 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-25 01:35:38
Yes, it's going away, you can leave now and never come back, yessirree.

--jmc
#24 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-25 01:36:36
And what would be your ideal rts Leslie?

My personal favorite is C&C, since it's what got me into the genre, but TA is a close 2nd.

--jmc
#25 by "Bailey"
2002-02-25 01:40:53
www.ashrain.net
Whoo, Canada.

Now, would all the noisy horn-honking go-tards please shut the hell up and get back in their wards before I become ashamed to be a citizen of this country? It was nice and patriotic for about the first 15 minutes. The fact that it's still going on means they're just looking for an excuse to riot.

There's nothing worse than a bunch of idiots honking wildly and waving hockey sticks and flags out of the windows of their cars screaming "WE ROCK EVERYONE!" when they didn't do a goddamn thing but sit on their asses eating american cheetos and drinking europeon beer.

But still: Whoo, Canada.
#26 by Leslie Nassar
2002-02-25 01:49:25
http://departmentofinternets.com
JMCDaveL

My ideal RTS would almost certainly not be anyone elses ideal RTS, but I'll give it a shot.

It'd have the beauty of Warcraft 3, the universe of Dark Reign, and a magical non-cheating AI that doesn't suck. I could participate in eight player games with no slowdown, people who disconnect when the game doesn't go their way would receive an electrical shock, and I'd win every time.
#27 by jafd
2002-02-25 01:53:49
Whatever. "Whoo, a particular citizen of Canada." What, the whole country woke up and ran five miles every day before breakfast, did the training, et cetera et cetera? Doubtful.

re: best RTS, I considered changing my actual name to "leslie" so I could answer the question posed earlier with a rousing scream of "Sacrifice!" but I thought better of it. Foo.
#28 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-25 02:38:11
My ideal rts would be something like C&C:Renegade's C&C multiplayer mode, with a no-lag server and about 60 players, one commander on each side, and people working as teams. Call it a meta-rts...


--jmc
#29 by Post-It
2002-02-25 03:31:58
keithlee@speakeasy.net
Ahh 6.0 goodness, now with blah! inside. I dig it.

I miss OpenCrap though.
#30 by Gabe
2002-02-25 03:39:19
http://www.dartpublishing.com
*sniff*
#31 by Narcopolo
2002-02-25 04:14:35
Has anyone tried Shogun multiplayer? I'm thinking of getting it and pushing it on a group of three other friends.

Other candidates include Kohan and Stronghold. The debate has been going for a while, there's no particular hurry, so if there's one I should wait for then tell me. I don't think it's going to be Warcraft 3 though.
#32 by Stepto
2002-02-25 05:08:13
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
Kick ass. My first "you can go away now" on the new planetcrap!

S.
#33 by "Sgt_Hulka"
2002-02-25 05:17:39
Sgt_Hulka@Yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
I've seen a lot of press interviews with Peter Jackson, The Gandalf guy, and the shrimp that plays Frodo. In many of these interviews they state Hobbits are roughly four feet tall, but after listening to the terribly delicious song \"Legend of Bilbo Baggins\" by Leonard Nimoy on the recent Hulka PC 6.0 Crapblast, Leonard states that Bilbo is a mere three feet tall. I'm confused. Whose spin is correct? This IS a national emergency, so get cracking on an answer there bubby!
#34 by ryan kelly
2002-02-25 05:29:55
mailto:kelster@tribalwar.com
Warren, thanks for the post linking to Game Basement's radio page a while back. Lots of good music there. :D

-Kel
#35 by Warren Marshall
2002-02-25 05:40:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Off topic, but whatever ...

I picked up a PS2 game on a whim and it's proving to be a cool little title.

"Pirates : The Legend of Black Kat"

Sounds dumb, I know, but I've been playing it most of the day and I can't seem to stop. It's got parts on the boat and parts on land ... it alternates quite frequently. You fight different kinds of creatures and try to gather up money, keys, etc to progress.

The boat battles are the best part ... you try to get into a good position while you lob cannonballs (and other things) back and forth. Sometimes when you win, it does this matrix style camera where it follows the finishing cannonballs in slow motion, and rotates around them as they hit the enemy ship which goes out in a huge fireball (lots of gunpowder on board I guess). Neat stuff.

The design seems decent as well ... not overly complicated stuff, but there's always something I want to get. A new boat to buy, a new location to get to, whatever. There's always something I want that keeps me playing ...

It's a third person thing, which may turn some people off ... but it works well. The camera really isn't a problem since the entire game (so far) has taken place on islands ... there aren't any interior areas, so there's no way for the camera to fuck up, really. :)
#36 by Eris
2002-02-25 06:38:51
firemote@hotmail.com http://www.doomwave.com/forums
Just about finishing my term paper on Ganesa and computing. Yes, it was partly based on some Mondo 2000 writings but fuck, I'm having fun with it :)
#37 by Eris
2002-02-25 06:57:29
firemote@hotmail.com http://www.doomwave.com/forums
Yes, it was partly based on some Mondo 2000 writings but fuck, I'm having fun with it :)


And if the punctuation on my paper is as wonky as that, I'm *never* finishing the paper. *sigh*.
#38 by "Anonymous"
2002-02-25 10:22:13
Total Abomination more like. The most unbalanced RTS with the largest number of zealots. The game where the calibre of a player is determined by how quickly he can start building a Big Bertha.



Not true. I've won MP games by Bertha-rushing and it's almost impossible to do. Most wins on-line do not come down to LRPC production. Building a LRPC - Long Range Plasma Cannon - Big Bertha and The Intimidator - is massively expensive. You need:

1. Build energy.
2. Mine ore.
3. Standard factory (tank or k-bot, or even costly-&-slow air)
4. Standard construction unit.
5. Advanced factory (to fund this you might reclaim the standard factory)
6. Advanced construction unit.
7. Start production of LRPC (to help fund this you might reclaim the advanced factory)

You will also need energy storage. And metal storage if you reclaim.

Do it quickly and you don't have enough resources to defend against the first quarter of an nour of ground assults. YOU DIE. Also, LRPC, like any other stationary target, can be taken out with bomber VTOLs (planes).

The man who wrote that might have died to LRPC, but the rest of us don't have to.

LRPC is pretty essential is taking-out an established "blob" (what the opponent looks like on the radar when they have a massive base) but it's not the only tool in the toolbox, and if you try to make it that way you WILL lose.


and a magical non-cheating AI that doesn't suck


Funnily enough, TA-AI has evolved into being state-of-the-art RTS AI. Available in cheat, semi-cheat, and non-cheating flavours.
#39 by "Gunp01nt"
2002-02-25 12:48:16
Monty, #0:
How would Morn be seen if he was quoted in Der Spiegel?

I think he would look really stupid if it said "Ja, ich liebe Bratwurst mit curry und ich wolle es verheiraten." on the frontpage of Der Spiegel, next to a Mr0ncam shot...
#40 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-25 12:57:05
By the way, since I no-longer have an email address I can't register.

Flamethrower.
#41 by Morn
2002-02-25 13:27:37
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
What a pity.
#42 by jafd
2002-02-25 13:42:31
Cheer up, Flamey. Someone in IRC, who shall remain nameless, actually believed that you a) didn't have an email address, and b) thought this would keep you from posting when and as you like. Hilarity ensues.
#43 by Eris
2002-02-25 14:30:18
firemote@hotmail.com http://www.doomwave.com/forums
Hilarity ensues.


But at what price, jafd?

At. What. Price.
#44 by LPMiller
2002-02-25 14:33:14
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Hey Bailey? Thanks for pointing me to Gothic...I ususally prefer a little more direction in my games - I'm a follower at heart - but this game is surprisingly enjoyable.

Goofy key setup though.
#45 by Warren Marshall
2002-02-25 15:54:03
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Morn
What a pity.

Yeah, I'm gettin' all weepy over here. :P
#46 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-25 16:01:40
Someone in IRC, who shall remain nameless, actually believed that you didn't have an email address


Then your IRCer who is not to be named by the hand of jafd, is correct.

There are no valid Flamethrower email addresses, and no forum registrations.


thought this would keep you from posting when and as you like


Please ask Morn to prevent anon-posters. Or at least put "anon" in their name.


What a pity.


You fucked-up the Crapper just for me?
#47 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-25 16:05:55
shut up anon poster :P
#48 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-25 16:06:05
WARREN said

I'm gettin' all weepy over here.



I thought it was illegal for a gay man to cry in public?
#49 by Warren Marshall
2002-02-25 16:16:01
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I thought it was illegal for a gay man to cry in public?

You don't have an email address, and I'm gay?
#50 by "Dev"
2002-02-25 16:30:51
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