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And you thought Funcom was bad.
December 28th 2001, 23:30 CET by Morn

More MMORPG spamming! <a href="http://www.thgate.com">Tannhauser Gate</a>, a developer from Poland, is currently working on <a href="http://www.mimesisonline.com">Mimesis Online</a>, a futuristic MMORPG that looks kinda like Funcom's Anarchy Online and is currently having a semi-open Beta phase that reportedly is just as stable and fun as AO's was.

Last night, I was trying to find opinions about Mimesis Online on the amazing <a href="http://groups.google.com">Google Groups</a>, but all I found was a bunch of spam articles from earlier this year.

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?as_usubject=mimesis%20online&num=50&hl=en">Here's a link</a> so you can see for yourselves. Apparently, Tannhauser Gate spammed every newsgroup that is remotely games related with a press release-ish thing, pissing off a lot of Usenetters.

What do you think about this, let's say, somewhat unconventional advertising strategy?
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#1 by "OmegaFoRCe"
2001-12-28 23:31:46
LookAround@You'llFindIt.com
1st post r0xx0rs ;)
#2 by "Stepto"
2001-12-28 23:42:53
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
I'd say you're providing them with....EVEN MORE ADVERTISING!

S.
#3 by "OmegaFoRCe"
2001-12-28 23:48:14
LookAround@You'llFindIt.com
Spamming newsgroups with advertisements is as bad as spamming e-mail -- does dolo work for Tannhauser? :p

Although it is said that all advertising is good advertising -- I believe that while Tannhauser is perhaps receiving attention that it would not have otherwise had (good?), they have also attracted enemies that they would not have had prior to the spam (bad). I for one have never heard of them -- I also don't subscribe to many gaming newsgroups ('cept for *.DAOC and *.3000AD). So their spam in a way worked -- I learned about it due to the effect that their spam had -- the question is how many people will refuse to try it out since they were spammed?
#4 by "Scrozzy"
2001-12-28 23:49:22
scrozzy@bigfoot.com
well ... if it works. i wouldn't say it's professional, especially advertising like that to the people who probably endorse and preach netiquette more than any other group.
#5 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-12-28 23:50:29
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicboy.com
Spamming newsgroups with advertisements is as bad as spamming e-mail

Almost as lame as first posters.

===

I am a magnificent three-toed sloth.
#6 by "Bailey"
2001-12-29 00:32:55
bailey@evilemail.com
I've had some dealings with Tannhauser over the course of the beta, and keeping in mind the whole Polack aspect, I'm pretty impressed. Not with the game so much as the company. Very enthusiastic, very driven, and impeccable customer service. Of course, the same could be said of Mythic at one point, but to my understanding, this has waned somewhat with the influx of mouth-breathers.

As for the Mimesis... well, I'm not really enthused on that subject, per se.
#7 by "MaverickUK"
2001-12-29 00:43:57
peter.bridger@tpg.co.uk http://www.thisstrife.com/
Hi! Do you like crap and planets? Well come to http://www.crapplanet.net/ where you'll find all the crap and planets you'll ever need!
Be warned! Extreme crap and planet action for download!!
#8 by "OmegaFoRCe"
2001-12-29 00:44:23
LookAround@You'llFindIt.com
#5 by Warren Marshall
Almost as lame as first posters.

Touchè, Mr. Marshall, touchè. :)
#9 by "crash"
2001-12-29 01:20:34
crash@dork.com
spamming is idiocy, and any company that does business these days should know that.

with that said, it appears their tactic worked, disgruntled usenetters to the contrary.

the game itself isn't even on my radar, so... don't really care what they do.
#10 by "Morn"
2001-12-29 01:43:55
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
One thing that I'm wondering about is: some of the Usenetters mentioned that they had sent abuse complaints to THG's ISP(s). Do those ISPs actually care about abuse reports sent to them?

I used to feed most of the spam mail I get to spamcop.net, and successfully managed to "shoot down" two or three spammers, but what about the rest?

Seems to me that most ISPs don't really care what their customers are doing (and who can blame them; I'm pretty sure the users who're NOT violating AUPs are in the minority.)

Ugh!

- Morn
#11 by "sentinel"
2001-12-29 02:22:34
This doesn't look like a really bad case of spam to me. I mean places like comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg should be where you tell people about a new game you're making. Also the post is not done in a very annoying way, it's basically some info about an upcoming game. If you're a low-budget developer like these guys probably are, I don't really see the harm in this.
#12 by "Cliff"
2001-12-29 02:39:02
cps46@earthlink.net
sentinel #11
This doesn't look like a really bad case of spam to me. I mean places like comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg should be where you tell people about a new game you're making.

rec.games.playing-cards doesn't sound like a target market to me.  They spammed *games* or something.
#13 by "Bailey"
2001-12-29 02:58:58
bailey@evilemail.com
Morn

Do those ISPs actually care about abuse reports sent to them?

From the people I know who worked ISPs, the answer is a resounding "Not really". At least not unless there's some evidence of legal repercussions or government agencies involved, and it has to be fairly heavy evidence for most seasoned ISPs. The days of threatening to call your lawyer and illiciting a response are long past.
#14 by "Darren Coleman"
2001-12-29 03:33:34
daz@jpci.net http://www.superficial.net
Without wanting to go too off topic, in my experience (working for an ISP) all attempts I have made to action some kind of investigation into genuine hack attempts on our systems have either been met with silence or mock concern by other ISPs.  Having said that, I/we have in the past had people emailing us complaining of portscans and other trivial matters as if we were at DEFCON 1.  Ultimately I can't really stop a customer pinging another Internet facing machine as there may be instances where it is necessary - however obvious intrusion attempts are investigated fully.

I didn't actually intend for this post to be as boring as it turned out but I suppose thats what you get for trying to be humorous at 2:41 AM (GMT).
#15 by "Desiato"
2001-12-29 05:16:31
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.opencrap.org
Listen, this has been debated all over.

Every time this subject comes up -- the harsh truth is revealed. If the ISP isn't going to face any legal action (read: liability) then frankly, they don't give a damn. Unfortunately things like spamcop haven't resulted in a reduction of spam. We just know a little more about who does it, that is -- until they move on to their new IP address.

We've lost the overall war, but you can still win the battle locally with filtering apps and LOONIX rules I suppose.

Yes, I do remember the "old days" when you could hand out your email address without a care in the world....

*sigh*

Desiato
#16 by "Sgt Hulka"
2001-12-29 07:01:07
Sgt_Hulka@Yahoo.com http://www.opencrap.org
The Dancing Cow <- Funny as hell!   Well worth it. If you watch it, listen all the way through the end credits.. Well worth it..

Note: Contrary to popular opinion, I am not Cecil!  You'll know what I mean after you watch this genius little funny ass film!
#17 by "jafd"
2001-12-29 20:53:10
kallisti@hell.com http://jafd.isfuckingbrilliant.com/
I thought it wasn't too bad a deal until I go Google'd and saw the page after page of them. "a new MMORPG is coming..." In our face, great. Talk about freaking obscenity.

I suppose at this stage of human development, a large group of people shouting from the rafters "Boo!" is an equivalent of a monetary fine. Well, I can dream.

ANyhoo. Jolly winter solstice and stuff to most everyone. I just popped on to get the latest dracon ninja patch, ciao.
#18 by "jafd"
2001-12-29 20:54:00
kallisti@hell.com http://jafd.isfuckingbrilliant.com/
nice new graphic morn ;)
#19 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 21:20:56
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
Spamming newsgroups with advertisements is as bad as spamming e-mail -- does dolo work for Tannhauser? :p

I resemble that.
#20 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 21:29:12
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
spamming is idiocy, and any company that does business these days should know that

You wanna know what's idiocy? People here that hate spam so much that it gives them ulcers. If you hate spam that much, close all your email addys except one and take proper precautions by using spam-guarding in your email addys. If you put your real email in a forum you are asking for email, and therefore soliciting it.

Do you know that since I sent everyone at PlanetCrap a bcc about the so called closing of this site, someone mysteriously subscribed me to a million spam lists? Oh my feelings are so hurt. Blah.

I am still laughing because PlanetCrap sends me about 80% of my traffic AND I downloaded a free tool called Spam Buster that lets me delete spam off my server. Now I don't have ANY spam. Before I met PlanetCrap I used to get about 15 spam emails a day minimum. Now none of them hit my machine at all.
#21 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 21:32:39
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
I thought it wasn't too bad a deal until I go Google'd and saw the page after page of them. "a new MMORPG is coming..." In our face, great. Talk about freaking obscenity.

Troll.
#22 by "Gabe"
2001-12-29 21:40:54
gabe@opencrap.org http://www.opencrap.org
You should really stop talking to Flamethrower. Having an email address is not soliciting email. I have a physical address, am I soliciting robbery? Moron.
#23 by "Stepto"
2001-12-29 21:42:21
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
#20 dolo


Do you know that since I sent everyone at PlanetCrap a bcc about the so called closing of this site, someone mysteriously subscribed me to a million spam lists? Oh my feelings are so hurt. Blah.

I am still laughing because PlanetCrap sends me about 80% of my traffic AND I downloaded a free tool called Spam Buster that lets me delete spam off my server. Now I don't have ANY spam. Before I met PlanetCrap I used to get about 15 spam emails a day minimum. Now none of them hit my machine at all.


Look here Bitter McAngry, you should be on your knees THANKING planetcrap for getting you off your ass to install spam protection software.

S.
#24 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 21:44:18
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
Gabe your literacy level is at a dangerous low!
Quick go retrain yourself.
Can you please explain to me how your cross multiplication works?
An email solicits spam is to an address soliciting robbery how?
I think what you meant to say was:

An email solicits spam is to an address soliciting junk mail.

Is junk mail now against the law or are you still coming down from that crack you smoked with Marrion Berry. :)
#25 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 21:46:22
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
Look here Bitter McAngry, you should be on your knees THANKING planetcrap for getting you off your ass to install spam protection software.

ROTFLMGDAO!!!
Dude that was excellent! :)
HEHEHEHE
Stepto u rool man. =)
Oh and THANK YOU PLANETCRAP. FOR uh... sending me 80% of my traffic.


















And installing spam software...
#26 by "Gabe"
2001-12-29 21:46:34
gabe@opencrap.org http://www.opencrap.org
Unwanted intrusion. Dimwit.
#27 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 22:13:43
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
Gabe: hehe! :)
Go hit CNET and download Spam Buster. It is a great program and it's free.
You can remove spam from the server without it intruding on your machine.
Basically you select the spam you don't want and it removes it from the server.
No more 200k China promotion gif images flooding your sockets! Yay.

Hey at least my spam was under 2k.
#28 by "Anonymous"
2001-12-29 22:17:23
If you put your real email in a forum you are asking for email, and therefore soliciting it.

Really dolo, this is getting pathetic, you're just trolling PC now, and not even half as well as Dingle. At least he has new idiocy to spew rather than the same tired song every time.
#29 by "Bailey"
2001-12-29 22:18:05
Damn cookies.
#30 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-29 22:21:40
Planetcrap stats? Dolo is up for biggest moron ever to visit PC

(and if he replies with: "Naah Gunp01nt, wouldn't wanna make you cry by taking away your title", he's earned it twice.)
#31 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 22:22:05
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
From the word on the street, Bailey, you're no Frankenstein yourself.
#32 by "dolo"
2001-12-29 22:22:40
dolomite@planetquake.com http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~dteam/
Gunp01nt is my bitch.
#33 by "Leslie Nassar"
2001-12-29 22:25:17
http://www.leslienassar.com/
nice defense, dolo.  did you learn that by reading rape defense transcripts?  "well your honor, if she didn't want it, she shouldn't have gone out in public."

jackass.
#34 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-29 22:30:41
dolo:
so if you say that if I post my email addy on a message board, it's OK for you to spam that address, but if you post your IP address here, I would be invading your privacy by posting the location of that IP address??????

why doesn't the PC web interface have PlonkTM?
#35 by "Bailey"
2001-12-29 22:45:33
From the word on the street, Bailey, you're no Frankenstein yourself.

The new solution is to rattle off gibberish rather than form retorts? Interesting technique.
#36 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-12-29 23:02:22
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
mahna mahna
#37 by "Ashiran"
2001-12-29 23:36:56
ashiran@ashrain.net www.wtfpeople.com
Gunp01nt is my bitch.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. It's technically impossible for any dutch person be it male or female to be a bitch.

So I'm also afraid you have to reevaluate your statement. :P
#38 by "Bailey"
2001-12-29 23:45:17
Dutch are neuter?

*shudder*

Lordy... saying that, it feels like some small part of my soul just died.
#39 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-30 00:01:22
people of planetcrap, please help me! what is the HTML code for the ( and ) brackets?
And I mean that code you type if a character is used for markup purposes (like " instead of " )
#40 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-30 00:03:02
Ashiran:
It's technically impossible for any dutch person be it male or female to be a bitch.

You haven't met my sister yet! (I can safely talk about her now since the J0karr is away for a while)

But seriously, whaddaya mean by that?
#41 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-30 00:05:44
me myself and I:
(like " instead of " )

Lordy.... I meant & quot ; instead of " and just imagine the spaces aren't there because if I leave them out the word will get transformed to html code

<H1>Maybe this works too</H1>
#42 by "None-1a"
2001-12-30 00:12:04
http://www.opencrap.org
#39 Gunp01nt
people of planetcrap, please help me! what is the HTML code for the ( and ) brackets?
And I mean that code you type if a character is used for markup purposes (like " instead of " )


This should be of help
#43 by "None-1a"
2001-12-30 00:13:49
http://www.opencrap.org
( This post is simply be to sure my previous post doesn't make me look like in idiot )
#44 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-12-30 00:16:31
None-1a:
This should be of help

Thank you! MUUUAHHH!
#45 by "crash"
2001-12-30 00:18:29
crash@dork.com
dolo:

You wanna know what's idiocy? People here that hate spam so much that it gives them ulcers.

good thing i'm not one of them, then, eh? i'll be ulcer-free. i do know how to use the delete key, and i get about 15 spams a day on average. don't really care. the only thing a spam mail tells me is the company really doesn't want me to buy their product. so i don't. that's about as much as i worry, though.

and 80% of your traffic? wow. so 16 out of the 20 visitors to your page are from planetcrap? congratulations, i guess.

Stepto:

Look here Bitter McAngry, you should be on your knees THANKING planetcrap for getting you off your ass to install spam protection software.

well, he has been on his knees for a while already. probably a really long time. though not for that reason.

and dolo, isn't that spot under your bridge gettin cold? you've been away from it for a while now.
#46 by "LPMiller"
2001-12-30 01:00:34
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
#31 dolo
From the word on the street, Bailey, you're no Frankenstein yourself.


trying to figure this one out all day.

He's not fictional?

Insane?

Willing to create life out of corpses?

Throw me a damn bone here!
#47 by "Bailey"
2001-12-30 01:07:08
bailey@evilemail.com
Possibly related to my enormous metallic cyborg body of the future?

By the way, quick update on Tannhauser... on a whim, I decided to check how their progress has been in beta since the last time I played a few months ago.

Sadly, Anarchy Online has nothing to worry about in the way of competition in sci-fi MMOGery, as it currently stands. Now, keeping in mind it's in beta, but at this stage, DAoC was a fully-functional engine which required only content. At this stage, EQ was almost not in an abusive relationship with it's fanbase yet. Even AO was better. That's the scariest part.

So as you might imagine, it's pretty damn grim.
#48 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-12-30 01:13:07
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicboy.com
dolo
If you put your real email in a forum you are asking for email, and therefore soliciting it.

Or maybe I'm providing my email in case someone I talk to on this forum wants to get a hold of me.  How is that soliciting email about stocks or online casinos?

Extending your logic, what you're saying is that Morn provides a field for us to enter our email address as a service to spammers ... is that correct?

===

I am a magnificent three-toed sloth.
#49 by "None-1a"
2001-12-30 01:34:21
http://www.opencrap.org
#48 Warren Marshall
dolo
If you put your real email in a forum you are asking for email, and therefore soliciting it.

Or maybe I'm providing my email in case someone I talk to on this forum wants to get a hold of me.  How is that soliciting email about stocks or online casinos?


Acctauly by dolo's logic ever posting an e-mail address is soliciting mail. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out once a person stops putting an address in they don't want mail anymore.
#50 by "Sgt Hulka"
2001-12-30 03:39:14
Sgt_Hulka@Yahoo.com http://www.opencrap.org
#42 None-1a
#39 Gunp01nt
people of planetcrap, please help me! what is the HTML code for the ( and ) brackets?
And I mean that code you type if a character is used for markup purposes (like " instead of " )


This should be of help


That page rox!  Thank you.
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