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November 27th 2001, 19:59 CET by Gabe

It has been a little while since the last topic was posted and I thought it was time for a fresh one. Not being inclined to write something myself, I decided to dig through a few of the recent submissions to see if there was anything interesting.

The first gem was:
 
Hey I have an old sega saturn, is there anything that can be used to convert those games for my PC??

I decided against it because while it was crap, it didn't seem to really fit the spirit of the topics here. The discussions at times, but not the topics. However, it seems that many people perceive PC as a source for this kind of advice given this one:

I came across your site in my search for information on the possibilities of copying Playstation and playstation2 games.  Given the cost of these games, I would like back-ups, if it's possible.  Do you know if and how it can be done?  Or can you give me some leads to look into?

In the end, I felt this one was the most appropriate:

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#1 by "BabiG"
2001-11-27 20:04:53
ihr suxxt alle fiirst pst btchs!
#2 by "Ergo"
2001-11-27 20:06:32
stuart_harms@mentor.com http://www.opencrap.org
Back-ups. RIIIIIIIIGHT...
#3 by "BabiG"
2001-11-27 20:07:00
On a um...related note, I've actually been looking for a cheap saturn, most seem to go for over $50 or $60, and well...I can buy a dreamcast with that much now. More for a curiousity thing then anything else.
#4 by "crash"
2001-11-27 20:10:24
crash@planetcrap.com
this is pathetic.
#5 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-11-27 20:14:41
jeremywitt@evilemail.com
#3, get a dreamcast... it's SO worth it. Games and hardware are really cheap right now, and it's a great system.
#6 by "Ergo"
2001-11-27 20:18:32
stuart_harms@mentor.com http://www.opencrap.org
A Saturn game that I'd really like to play is the sequel to Shining in the Darkness (a great Genesis dungeon crawl). It was called "Shining the Holy Ark" or somesuch.
#7 by "snowcrash-22"
2001-11-27 20:21:37
snowcrash22@excite.com
#6,

Yes I would love to see the all the old Genesis and Saturn Shining Force games repackaged for $30 on the PSX1.  I never had a Saturn and I missplaced by Shining Force 1 Cartridge (and the cable that hook the Genesis to the TV...but nevermind)
#8 by "Gabe"
2001-11-27 20:26:40
gabe@opencrap.org http://www.opencrap.org
I wanted to make it clear what the point of this topic is. I don't usually feel the urge to write topics and presently Morn is apathetic towards PlanetCrap. I offered to keep an eye on things until his enthusiasm returns, probably with the release of AO2. What this means is that most of the topics will have to come from user submissions. As  the people that have submitted find out, not everything gets posted, but please keep them coming. It is more likely to get posted if it has some meat to it, usually one line won't cut it. Let's keep PlanetCrap rolling.
#9 by "BabiG"
2001-11-27 20:28:30
Yea, I've been using my roomates DC for a while now, and I just bought my own this past weekend. I'm considering getting another one, as a backup or a gift or something, its at an awesome price...I want the Saturn more for collection reasons than anything else, play the Dragoon and Shining Force and all those other sequels I never saw, plus a lot of saturn arcade ports were tons better then thier PSX counter parts.
#10 by "Terata"
2001-11-27 20:31:25
jeremys@artifact-entertainment.com
The Saturn's a great system.

The best place to find that sort of thing these days is eBay.  The listings for Saturn systems seems quite reasonable at the moment.
#11 by "The Joker"
2001-11-27 20:31:46
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.jackinworld.com
I suppose submitting a topic about my wang won't make it. So fuck you all.
kthx.

Joker, Phd. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#12 by "Creole Ned"
2001-11-27 20:52:53
cned@telus.net
Gabe, please don't tell me those are the best submissions you've received. :)

How about GreenMarine's latest .plan, in which he dismisses the entire MMORPG genre as a waste of time:


Account Name: brandonr
Email address: brandonr@finger.3drealms.com
----------
I played a lot of Dark Age of Camelot this weekend.

Today I had a startling revelation. It's like a light turned on inside my head. All of this time I have been investing in these massively multiplayer games, from UO to DA, has been time I have lost. I have not fulfilled my primary duty to myself: self education and self improvement. Instead of spending my weekends programming or reading like I used to, I've been rotting away playing the same game over and over again.

I can't even claim it was done in the interest of experimentation. I like to play a LOT of games and learn about what other developers are doing. I think it helps in my work and helps inspire me...

But this MMRPG stuff has been pure virtual masturbation. With no long term or respectful benefit that I can measure.

Why am I putting this in my .plan? Because it seems appropriate to look back on all my enthusiasm for this genre and say "I was wrong, this has no value."

And so I can say to all the potential game programmers out there who are playing this stuff: put it away. It'll kill you. It'll drain away your ability to improve yourself and it'll dilute your primary passion: coding. Instead of running home to code up a new idea, you'll run home to waste four hours doing nothing.

Programmers like to be idealists and massively multiplayer games feed on idealism. They put you in a world where you can create and recreate yourself. It is an addicting hypothesis! One that gives you numbers and facts and items to manipulate and experiment with. They give you an environment that can fulfill your need for experimentation and exploration while removing your ability to produce something that enriches you or others.

I canceled my various accounts and next weekend I'm going to think up a new project to work on in my spare time and work on getting myself where I should be.
#13 by "Bailey"
2001-11-27 20:56:24
bailey@evilemail.com
crash

From the article, regarding fast-leveling...

people stop playing -> Funcom goes out of business -> Rubi-Ka becomes but a distant memory.

This part really speaks to me. It makes sense, and I support it. I think we all need to help Funcom in this initiative and get the right thing done.

The rest of it is pretty much laughable, yeah.
#14 by "Bailey"
2001-11-27 21:00:19
bailey@evilemail.com
Creole

I'd agree, I've certainly reached the same conclusion. The only way I'll ever invest capital in them is if I don't have to invest hours and hours of my life to keep up with the joneses. But the companies don't like that system because it doesn't guarantee long-term subscribers, so this repetitive time-consuming crap goes on forever. It's been like that since the original Neverwinter Nights on prodigy or whatever, and it'll be like for as long as the medium is focused around cash money.
#15 by "The Joker"
2001-11-27 21:03:20
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.jackinworld.com
#12 Creole Ned

What a bunch of crap. What he said applies to all games not just MMRPG's. That just goes to show you these people don't know a single fuck about what they are talking about. I'm going to go scratch my balls right now and possibly jerk off too.

Joker, Phd. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#16 by "Greg"
2001-11-27 21:03:29
greg417@worldnet.att.net http://www.notgaminggroove.com
PlanetCrap - the source for all your l33t warez hacking tools!

Also, does anyone know how to get Bleem! to work on Windows 2000? I have a PSX and a PS2 but I really really need to play Twisted Metal 3 on my computer!

Greg
#17 by "Matthew Gallant"
2001-11-27 21:07:30
mg@tmbg.org http://www.opencrap.org
#16 Greg
PlanetCrap - the source for all your l33t warez hacking tools!

Also, does anyone know how to get Bleem! to work on Windows 2000? I have a PSX and a PS2 but I really really need to play Twisted Metal 3 on my computer!

Greg


Wrong answer. Trust me.

Correct answer: http://www.emulator-zone.com/psx/epsxe_download.html
#18 by "Anonymous"
2001-11-27 21:08:51
crash@planetcrap.com
Joker:

I suppose submitting a topic about my wang won't make it. So fuck you all.

well, Gabe did say any topic submitted should have some meat to it. guess that disqualifies your wang. sorry, dude, but them's the breaks.
#19 by "Evilash"
2001-11-27 21:10:12
evilash@eviladam.com
I gotta Agree with Greenmarine. Up northeast where I used to live I looked at diablo2 as an escape mechanism from the realities of pain and financial grief from the real world. Cold winters I could ignore staying at home... in the comfort of my home and my warm pc.
Finally I realized.. I was stagnating as an a person. At 28 years old. I shouldn't be thinking about whats the next level. I should be worrying about whats the best career options,Worrying about how I should invest my money. What career advancement choices I should make. Interested in socializing more with the ladies. ITs not like I am fat and overweight and downright Ugly.  I don't have an excuse to live a shut in life.  So recently about 2 weeks ago. I decided to assist my parents in retiring to florida and I decided to Move down as well. I left behind family and friends. But I needed a fresh start A new environment to push myself. I needed a challenge. Living in Clearwater florida is making me realized.. WTF was I DOING for the last 2 years.  Its beautiful Sunny weather.. there is fishing,rollerblading,Biking,hiking,Swimming all these activities I didn't have the chance to enjoy up north. I am staying away from rpgs as much as I can. A game like MAx payne I can play cause it doesn't require HOURS and hours per day to enjoy. A good rts like Empire Earth is another. But I won't even look at a mmorg unless I am Financially Stable Got a stable relationship and I can am sure I won't invest more then 2 hours a day on a game without Feeling Guilty.  

I love playing games and I still will.. but tooo much virtual and not enough reality is a BAD BAD thing.
#20 by "Pacer Dawn"
2001-11-27 21:14:37
pacerdawn@iname.com http://www.triangledolfans.com
#5 "Jeremy Witt" wrote...
#3, get a dreamcast... it's SO worth it. Games and hardware are really cheap right now, and it's a great system.

I went into Circuit City yesterday to do just that.  Ran to the dreamcast aisle, Grabbed up on the shelf...

And came away with empty air due to the fact that every single system they had was gone.

Dreamcast prices just got halved ($49.00 for the system).  To find one in a store is to be incredibly lucky.
#21 by "Anonymous"
2001-11-27 21:14:57
crash@planetcrap.com
Creole Ned, 12: it was a cute update. this part made me laugh:

But this MMRPG stuff has been pure virtual masturbation. With no long term or respectful benefit that I can measure.

as opposed to playing games like Duke Nukem, which, as we all know, enlightens and educates and fulfills on a deep, spiritual level all at the same time. it'll also get you past the gates of heaven, wash your car, feed your dog, and paint your house--all while getting you that college degree and attentive, caring life-mate that you've been desperately wishing for your entire life.

what? it won't? it's a game? entertainment? designed to amuse and captivate? like every other game ever made? or like, say, movies or television?

my goodness, who'd've thunk it?

yes, if you play MMOGs, you probably won't play other games, because MMOGs are a pretty large time sink. and taken to extremes, yes, they're unhealthy. then again, anything is. all things in moderation, after all. if a thing takes over your life, it isn't necessarily the thing that's the culprit in all cases.

or, in the spirit of the update: want to stop virtually masturbating? stop grabbing your virtual dick. you can't? well, whose fault is that? your dick's?
#22 by "crash"
2001-11-27 21:15:21
crash@planetcrap.com
Hating cookies...
#23 by "Gabe"
2001-11-27 21:20:57
gabe@opencrap.org http://www.opencrap.org
Didn't Brian Hook make a similar plan update while he was at id? It wasn't blasting MMORPGs, but just that he wasted too much time and wasn't very productive. I guess some people sometimes feel that the only way to get their ass in gear is to publicly claim that they are slackers.

And re crash to Joker...HONK!
#24 by "Greg"
2001-11-27 21:21:23
greg417@worldnet.att.net http://www.notgaminggroove.com
From Brandon "GreenMarine" Reinhart's post:

But this MMRPG stuff has been pure virtual masturbation.

...with no orgasm to boot...

Seriously, the biggest thing is to play these types of games in moderation. But the developers of these games don't think about people only investing small amounts of time to play. They almost expect people to live these games; otherwise they aren't getting the full enjoyment from them. It's a tricky design issue. How do you make the game just as fun and balanced for people who play often and for long periods of time versus people who just pick it up once in a while and play for an hour or two in a sitting?

Greg
#25 by "Sgt Hulka"
2001-11-27 21:21:41
hulka@clownpenis.fart http://www.hulka.com
I don't think it's any secret that I am the original hater of MMORPG's

I was born hating MMORPG's... I only play MMORPG's in my sig file.



....Today in MMORPGland "Hulka attacks the 0lsen Twins with a +12 Sword" - That big meanie!
#26 by "Talion"
2001-11-27 21:26:55
http://www.opencrap.org
#21 Anonymous Crash
Creole Ned, 12: it was a cute update. this part made me laugh:

But this MMRPG stuff has been pure virtual masturbation. With no long term or respectful benefit that I can measure.

as opposed to playing games like Duke Nukem, which, as we all know, enlightens and educates and fulfills on a deep, spiritual level all at the same time. it'll also get you past the gates of heaven, wash your car, feed your dog, and paint your house--all while getting you that college degree and attentive, caring life-mate that you've been desperately wishing for your entire life.

what? it won't? it's a game? entertainment? designed to amuse and captivate? like every other game ever made? or like, say, movies or television?

He was speaking specifically about wannabe game programmers.  His point was that it is one thing to play Duke Nukem Forever for 12 or 15 hours, where you can in addition to yes getting entertained see the latest in graphics and FPS gameplay (in theory anyway), and quite another to put 1000 hours into a MMRPG.  Playing a variety of games probably does in fact make you a better game developer.

or, in the spirit of the update: want to stop virtually masturbating? stop grabbing your virtual dick. you can't? well, whose fault is that? your dick's?

What's the point of this?  He didn't say that MMRPGs should be banned and he's not saying it's anyone's "fault", he just said game programmers should try to not to get addicted to them.  It seems like reasonable advice to me, just expressed in more dramatic terms than perhaps it deserves.
#27 by "crash"
2001-11-27 21:46:10
crash@planetcrap.com
Talion:

He was speaking specifically about wannabe game programmers.

at the end, yes, he did aim specific advice to a certain segment of the populace. the entire rest of the "rant", such as it is, was general. not specific. context, Talion. if he'd mentioned game programmers as an audience first, i'd agree with your assertion. he did not.

He didn't say that MMRPGs should be banned and he's not saying it's anyone's "fault", he just said game programmers should try to not to get addicted to them.

he says this:

Why am I putting this in my .plan? Because it seems appropriate to look back on all my enthusiasm for this genre and say "I was wrong, this has no value."

this genre has no value. seems pretty damning to me. short step from there to "if it has no value to me, i will not let it have value to you." slippery slope, i know, but it's been done before, and for much the same reasons. might as well be Wagner James Au talkin about first-person shooters at this point, y'know?
#28 by "Duality"
2001-11-27 21:56:37
Duality@neo-tokyo.org http://urf.gq.nu/
#21 Anonymous
as opposed to playing games like Duke Nukem, which, as we all know, enlightens and educates and fulfills on a deep, spiritual level all at the same time. it'll also get you past the gates of heaven, wash your car, feed your dog, and paint your house--all while getting you that college degree and attentive, caring life-mate that you've been desperately wishing for your entire life.

Okay ... so DN4Never is the only way I'll get a woman ... shit now they'll never release it!

-Duality
#29 by "Talion"
2001-11-27 22:00:45
http://www.opencrap.org
#27 crash
if he'd mentioned game programmers as an audience first, i'd agree with your assertion. he did not.

Fair enough.  I am merely gauging his intent, which I still think was to speak only to game developers, not to a general audience.  I suppose he erred in not articulating that from the beginning.

this genre has no value. seems pretty damning to me

Fair enough again, but I think he would readily agree with the assertion that playing the same game, of any kind, as long as the average MMRPG player plays their MMRPG of choice is, well, "without value" in his Spock-ian terms.  Including DNF.  I think from his comments about learning and self-education it's implied that he means the genre has no value towards this goal of becoming a better programmer, which is true, and playing DNF for more than 10 hours is the same, and like I said I think he'd agree with that statement.  Being entertained clearly has value in general terms, which validates both the MMRPG genre as well as the countless hours some people (such as myself) have spent playing multiplayer FPS online.  But all that Quake 3 didn't make me a better programmer, and that's what he's talking about.  He makes this clear at the beginning talking about his personal duty to himself.

If there's anything to laugh about, it's the "work good play bad" approach to life evidenced here.  Within that context, though, I think he's 100% right.
#30 by "Caryn Law"
2001-11-27 22:16:33
carynlaw@pacbell.net
(chuckles)
#31 by "Apache"
2001-11-27 23:00:31
http://www.videogamingnews.com/
woot! a new topic :=)
#32 by "shaithis"
2001-11-27 23:17:29
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.shaithis.com
I'm trying to emulate the PS2 on my graphing calculator. Can anyone hook me up with l33t ju@r3z?

-shai
#33 by "mgns"
2001-11-27 23:21:21
wratte@home.se
"I've been playing these games so much it's starting to hurt my job, my social life and everything else I used to hold dear. Obviously that must mean the genre is a stinking pile of shit."

WTF?

---
my other .sig is a funny one.
#34 by "Paul"
2001-11-28 00:14:46
deleted deleted
I'm glad I never bought one of these MMRPGs. I don't know if I would be able to stop.

Although, I still play way too much DMC. I might have to give that up for the New Year.

- Paul
#35 by "Bailey"
2001-11-28 00:17:52
bailey@evilemail.com
Evilash

"God, I wasted my life on games. Go outside, do something physical, get some tail." It's not healthy to do anything in excess, no, but the whole point of obsessive nature is to weed out people who shouldn't be breeding. If they're malnourished and rendered mole-like by the process, more power to 'em.

You had your epiphany two weeks ago, so I realize you're hyped up on how great it is to expose your soft, palid skin to this giant firey orb in the sky, but it's coming off a tad preachy. It's like vegans saying how great it is that eating brown rice and seaweed keeps them regular and meat is murder when I'm trying to enjoy a big plate of filleted baby seal, or human rights people railing against me when I dump antifreeze in the town reservoir.

That being said, I pretty much agree that obsession is bad. I just think the message needs to be phrased a tad more tactfully.

crash

might as well be Wagner James Au talkin about first-person shooters at this point, y'know?

I'm still stuck in Au's "grid" from playing FPS games. Must kill innocents.
#36 by "Narcopolo"
2001-11-28 00:22:57
Brandon Reinhart's pronouncement that he was wrong, that playing the game for hours on end has no value is clearly addressed to himself, not to the .plan audience.  That is, there's no value in it for him, and playing the same game endlessly is stunting his growth.  People like him, game programmers and wannabes, are admonished to avoid the online games if they want to achieve their deeper dreams.  That's all that's there.

Playing games like Quake and so on definitely made me become a better programmer, they made me learn how to program in the first place.  The more games that push people's ideas of what is possible, then the better game programmers will be, not just at competing firms.

But I'll say it if he won't, there isn't a lot of game to the MMRPGs.  To put everyone in a neat pigeonhole, guys bond over activites, and guys who play online games tend to have a fantasy life.   The graphical Ur-dikuMUD that Bailey keeps referring to is a giant chat room with dragon hunting.  That's a lot of fun, but it's not got any depth.  People waste their lives similarly on IRC.

I expect the Sims ONline to be a hit with the ladies for similar gender split reasons.  Btw, half the people who play the Sims are boys, which only means that there are a lot more girls who would be interested in the Sims Online than I expect any of the others, not that only girls will play it.

The points been made before, but people who want to learn about game design should certainly not be getting lost in MMO games.
#37 by "Narcopolo"
2001-11-28 00:29:25
Apache lives.  With a new topic I guess you can post again, huh?  You should have submitted something then :)
#38 by "Narcopolo"
2001-11-28 00:31:36
I want Duke Nukem Forever to be finished solely to see what happens when Charlie Wiederhold takes the cork out.  Though without andy here I don't guess there's any reason to have a resident 3D Realms fire-putter-outter.
#39 by "crash"
2001-11-28 00:33:14
crash@planetcrap.com
Narcopolo:

People waste their lives similarly on IRC.

this is a value judgment, much along the lines of "Get a life." it won't change your mind. i'm not expecting it to. i'm simply pointing it out. it implies that alternative ways are, by definition, superior, when, in fact, they may or may not be depending on circumstances, personal taste, and attitude.

tip: it's only a waste of your life when you have other options. think about that.
#40 by "crash"
2001-11-28 00:34:42
crash@planetcrap.com
Apache, 31:

woot! a new topic :=)

http://www.videogamingnews.com/    ?

there's a story here, i'm sure. :)
#41 by "The Joker"
2001-11-28 00:44:31
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.jackinworld.com
#23 Gabe
And re crash to Joker...HONK!


Exactly, HONK!! :P

Joker, Phd. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
#42 by "LPMiller"
2001-11-28 00:47:37
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Question:

has anyone actually ever burn a game just for backup purposes?   And why?

Me, I don't do it too much, but I have, mostly because I have a kid with busy fingers, and a wife that takes out the cd, but doesn't actually put it in the case, and a dog that notices this, because said dog likes shiny objects.

So if it's a game I know I'll be playing a long while, like Unreal T or Quake, or if it is a game I know I will play on and off for years, like a Heroes of M & M or Age of Something or Another, then I'll burn it, safedisc 2 be damned.
#43 by "Narcopolo"
2001-11-28 00:55:54
crash, I don't mean to pass judgement on people who hang out on IRC all day, or play EQ all day, but there is always a choice.  Always.  

I myself played EQ for several months until I got sick of the repetition.  I played it with my best friend from real life, who only recently quit after a couple of years.  He doesn't look back fondly on it, and the people he played with all share what can only be described as an addiction.  This facet of those games bothers me, especially since the evolution of the game world is so glacial.  You have the illusion of self-improvement through leveling, but you can't really make any changes in your fantasy world.  You can't live.

so the attitude that I have, and probably share with a bunch of others, is that there's plenty to do that is better for you, even if they aren't what you want to be doing.  Even other entertaiment that can help you grow.  My criticism is leveled at the time involved and the lack of growth of the individuals that devote that time to it.  The trappings of power are good enough for so many of them.

I have my own bad habits, like reading Planetcrap just about every day, more than once.  But I know I shouldn't so much, as I have other things that need doing, and while that's based on my own circumstances, I don't think it's reasonable to assert that time and achievment are infinite resources that can be spent however we please.  It's a less rewarding formula for everyone to play the games than to "get a life".
#44 by "Bailey"
2001-11-28 01:50:40
bailey@evilemail.com
Narcopolo

The graphical Ur-dikuMUD that Bailey keeps referring to is a giant chat room with dragon hunting.

I am the idea that has become the institution.
#45 by "Quicken"
2001-11-28 01:52:07
geoffrey@access.com.au http://www.warmage.com
#42 LPMiller
Question:

has anyone actually ever burn a game just for backup purposes?   And why?


In all seriousness I copied all 5 Baldur's gate CDs and played using the copies so the originals could stay in their super scratchy case. They were very scratched by the time I copied them so I figured it was time for serious action before they got so damaged I couldn't play the game anymore. If I hand known how much that silly cardboard case would scratch them I would have simply bought five jewel cases rather than copy them. No one (else) has ever copied my Baldur's gate and I still own both copy and original. I have lent them out but I was not playing it during that time even though I still had the original CDs.
#46 by "Quicken"
2001-11-28 01:58:04
geoffrey@access.com.au http://www.warmage.com

Account Name: brandonr
Email address: brandonr@finger.3drealms.com
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And so I can say to all the potential game programmers out there who are playing this stuff: put it away. It'll kill you. It'll drain away your ability to improve yourself and it'll dilute your primary passion: coding. Instead of running home to code up a new idea, you'll run home to waste four hours doing nothing.


I am suffering a similar problem. All my personal projects and self education attempts have been left undone ever since... I got a girlfriend :O
#47 by "Slappy"
2001-11-28 02:33:32
... I think it's amazing that these games can hold people's attention for so long in this MTV world. On the one hand, maybe they help teach young people the rewards of focus. Now if only that focus could be transferred to more creative and learning endeavors...
#48 by "Bailey"
2001-11-28 02:51:08
bailey@evilemail.com
Like selling virtual gold on e-bay?
#49 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-11-28 03:06:38
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicboy.com
Bailey
It's not healthy to do anything in excess, no, but the whole point of obsessive nature is to weed out people who shouldn't be breeding. If they're malnourished and rendered mole-like by the process, more power to 'em.

You had your epiphany two weeks ago, so I realize you're hyped up on how great it is to expose your soft, palid skin to this giant firey orb in the sky, but it's coming off a tad preachy. It's like vegans saying how great it is that eating brown rice and seaweed keeps them regular and meat is murder when I'm trying to enjoy a big plate of filleted baby seal, or human rights people railing against me when I dump antifreeze in the town reservoir.

That being said, I pretty much agree that obsession is bad. I just think the message needs to be phrased a tad more tactfully.

It's pretty much the norm though that when someone changes their life in some way they feel the need to expound the virtues of whatever they're doing to anyone they can reach.  "Stop playing games, go outside!".  No thanks, I'm fine right where I am.

crash
tip: it's only a waste of your life when you have other options. think about that.

I see what you're saying, but I think even more so it's, "It's only a waste of your life if you deem it to be".  If I'm sitting here working on whatever or playing games and I'm happy ... leave me the fuck alone.  :)  I don't need someone explaining how I'm wasting my life or telling me about the wonders of being in the sun.

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I am a magnificent three-toed sloth.
#50 by "Apache"
2001-11-28 03:27:04
http://www.videogamingnews.com/
>>Apache lives. With a new topic I guess you can post again, huh? You should have submitted something then :)<<

there's a lot of good stuff floating around. last night when I read about EQ: Shadow of Luclin's system specs at CG Online I almost choked to death! It sounds like Ultima IX: Online :)

http://www.cgonline.com/news/011126-03-n1.html
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