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F@#&ing American Game Companies
September 6th 2001, 11:43 CEST by Morn

Okay, so after id Software demo'd their new engine (and game) at this year's QuakeCon and specifically asked the press <i>not</i> to take pictures or record videos, German games magazine <a href="http://www.gamestar.de">GameStar</a> ignored the request and published <a href="http://www.gamestar.de/magazin/qcdoom3.htm">some unauthorized material</a> on their website, pulling in lots of visitors but also the wrath of id Software.

Not really an amazingly smart move on behalf of GameStar, but check out Christian "Xian" Antkow's reaction he posted on <a href="http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=1917659">the Shack</a>:

Well, I'd guess that's one group of people that won't be invited to id's next press event. Marty specifically said "No Cameras" at the beginning of the presentation, so I guess those germans "non schpreichen ze english"

Those caps are horrible =( There is probably a reason id asked for no camera's, and these pictures sort of prove why.

*sigh*

-Xian

PS: f@#&ing foreign web journalists

Well, <i>fuck me</i>!
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#1 by "GossiŁp"
2001-09-06 11:45:38
gossip@planetjumpgate.com http://planetjumpgate.net
Well, fuck me!


*shrug* Okay.

*honkhonkhonk*
#2 by "GossiŁp"
2001-09-06 11:47:52
gossip@planetjumpgate.com http://planetjumpgate.net
Joking aside now.

Well, GameStar has never been the crown of serious gaming journalism, if I remember correctly. That's all I can say about it.
#3 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 11:49:39
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Is there any other industry where the manufacturers/publishers/suppliers can insult the people who pay their wages?
#4 by "Paparazzi"
2001-09-06 11:52:04
#3 Morn
Is there any other industry where the manufacturers/publishers/suppliers can insult the people who pay their wages?


well they shouldnt have taken the damn pic's/movies

its not hard to understand. I agree with ID. Also, the pics fucking sucked.

Next
#5 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 11:57:52
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Paparazzi: you know, we could have a bonus thread on how the gaming "press" is really just a big advertising pool for the games industry, or at least seen as such. You know, as long as there are no specific NDAs involved (which nobody forces you to sign), there's this little old-fashioned thing called "freedom of press". Judging by your name, YOU should know!

Now, the thing is, this thread isn't really about Gamestar "leaking" material, but about Xian's pretty much fucked up reaction. It's one thing to say that GameStar isn't going to be invited to id's next press event (id have every right to decide that, duh), but insulting "foreign web journalists" and specifically Germans (who, by the way, are the world's second biggest market for computer games after the US of fucking A) should be a no-no.

- Morn
#6 by "pock"
2001-09-06 12:00:04
pock@gmx.de
Well, what should the journalists do? Just write about how amazing Doom 3 will look -- without showing any pictures. A big HELLO to id: Don't show anything at all -- to noone.
#7 by "Paparazzi"
2001-09-06 12:03:12
Yeah that foreign line was a bit stupid. But so was taking the pics in the first place. ID invited them, so they should have respected IDs wishes.

But two wrongs dont make a right i guess.

Plus the pics were crap anyway, heh. It *does* make ID look bad even though it wasnt their fault. Ive seen lots of discussions about how 'bad' it looks, when its really the pictures that are bad quality. But this is the 'net, who listens to logic and common sense?
#8 by "Flamethrower"
2001-09-06 12:07:42
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
id are the Jews to GameStar's Nazis??
#9 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 12:25:06
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
No, Flamey, it's the other way around.
#10 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-09-06 12:35:56
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Reporters will be reporters. Their boss orders them to go to the Doom 3 presentation and bring back some pictures. Their only choice is to comply to that, or else they might lose their job.

Nonetheless, if ID explicitly says NO FUCKING PICTURES, and some reporters break that rule, ID has the right to deny them access to any future presentations. As long as they're exclusively ID organized (access to E3 or the likes couldn't be denied by ID or any separate game dev.).

What I find unsympathetic, is that Christian Antkow's reply is somewhat mocking towards Germans. GameStar might not be entirely serious, but judging from Antkow's reply, neither is ID. This is not exactly what you'd call a carefully constructed press release or something. It's just plain rude.
#11 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-09-06 12:40:36
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Or maybe ID should put up multi language warning signs:

NO FUCKING PICTURES
PAS DE PHOTOS NIQUANT
KEINE GEFLICKTE FOTOS
GEEN NEUKENDE FOTO'S
#12 by "Ashiran"
2001-09-06 12:46:51
ashiran@ashrain.net wtf.couchcrew.com
GEEN NEUKENDE FOTOS isn't correct dutch you know. :P

And concerning this topic. WHO FUCKING CARES? Does Gamestar care? Prolly not. Does their audiance care? Nope. Does ID then perhaps care? Maybe a little but not much seeing the fact that the pics are crappy anyway. Do the Doom 3 fans care? That would be a big no cause they got (crappy) Doom3 shots!

So basicly it's the basic "people get upset about it because people get upset about it" deal.
#13 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-09-06 13:04:51
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Ashiran:
GEEN NEUKENDE FOTOS isn't correct dutch you know. :P

I KNOW. It's called humor, and one day, when you're old enough, your mommy and daddy will explain it to you.

Do the Doom 3 fans care? That would be a big no cause they got (crappy) Doom3 shots!

Ummm... more like that would be a big YES. If you're anxiously waiting for a new game, what would you prefer? crappy pictures or no pictures at all? Of course the doom 3 fans care, because they get a first real look at the graphic aspect of the game!!
#14 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-09-06 13:12:38
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Morn:
Well, fuck me!

Oh, so THAT's that PC IntelliGay and Screw function that Joker explained in the WoW thread :)
#15 by "Speed"
2001-09-06 13:30:54
speed@crew.fragland.net http://www.fragland.net
If you're invited to a press event and they say "no pictures" that means NO PICTURES.
I understand that Xian is pissed off because those pics are really terrible, and everyone knows how bad pics can damage a potentially great game (although no-one will care about bad pics on ID products because everyone knows their products rule).

About the "Fucking european web journalists" : He's insulting all online journalists in Europe (meaning that the US online journalists are good/better ?).
Personally I can't be insulted by this because it's posted out of frustration and I bet that he didn't mean it that way.
If he wants to say something like this he'ld better be a bit more specific (now it's like everytime something goes wrong, it's because of a European online journalist)
#16 by "eoe|cyberia"
2001-09-06 13:32:36
KEINE GEFLICKTE FOTOS



?


keine verdammten fotos



thx alot ;p
#17 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2001-09-06 13:38:58
That phrase is a "inside" joke at teh shack...
#18 by "Anonymous"
2001-09-06 13:50:12
I KNOW. It's called humor, and one day, when you're old enough, your mommy and daddy will explain it to you.


That's why there was a :P behind it. Perhaps someday YOUR mommy and daddy can explain to you what that means.
#19 by "Anonymous"
2001-09-06 13:55:59
Unwad your panties girls, the "f@#&ing foreign web journalists" comment was a reference to a Shack inside joke. Thats why it was a PS.

Back when Q3 was released for the Dreamcast some Shackers ripped the maps from it to be playable on the PC.

Xian's insightful addition to the thread was simply

Fucking Pirates.

-Xian


and he's caught stick for it since.
#20 by "Flamethrower"
2001-09-06 13:56:22
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
NO photos. NO videocams. NO invading Poland.

Not hard eh?
#21 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2001-09-06 14:04:43
#19 Might I add that those guys ripped the maps within a week of the DC game coming out, then all those other guys "got famous" doing the same thing a few weeks later.

Anyway, at the shack anytime someone does something its usually made fun of with

<xian>Fucking vegetarians</xian>
#22 by "wizardque"
2001-09-06 14:24:28
wizardque@yahoo.com http://www.opencrap.org
#5 Morn

Now, the thing is, this thread isn't really about Gamestar "leaking" material, but about Xian's pretty much fucked up reaction. It's one thing to say that GameStar isn't going to be invited to id's next press event (id have every right to decide that, duh), but insulting "foreign web journalists" and specifically Germans (who, by the way, are the world's second biggest market for computer games after the US of fucking A) should be a no-no.

- Morn


Ok, so you and I would think that insulting all web sites of a certain country would be a bad thing...but taste and general smarts doesn't seem to limit anyone else out there on the internet, why is it such a surprise another moron has stepped up to the plate?

-wizard
#23 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 14:28:49
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Because this particular moron is getting paid only because people like me go out and buy his games.
#24 by "Paparazzi"
2001-09-06 14:34:28
#20 Flamethrower
NO photos. NO videocams. NO invading Poland.

Not hard eh?


I'm polish and i take offence to that yadda yadda yadda
#25 by "wizardque"
2001-09-06 14:41:53
wizardque@yahoo.com http://www.opencrap.org
#23 Morn
Because this particular moron is getting paid only because people like me go out and buy his games.


So is that statement really going to stop you from buying a game from the company he works for?  Do you only listen to music where the people have lived mostly perfect lives (if so, you don't listen to much music :P ), for example?

On other side, we've seen time and time again developers don't know when to keep their mouth shut.  There are many companies where the developers post junk they shouldn't, things that aren't nice or put down a whole section of people (what did koster say, customers are the enemy?), or just plain make their company look bad.

Of course, that doesn't make it right, but it's a trend man, don't fight the trend!  :P

-wizard
#26 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 14:51:22
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
I didn't say I wasn't going to buy any id games anymore (fortunately, the other id guys seem somewhat more level-headed), I was just pointing out that it is only because we buy their games that this guy (Xian) gets to do what he does -- and for a living, to boot. You know, in response to the question why this particular case of Internet stupidity was any special.

- Morn
#27 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:07:15
kimsbitch@succubae.com
#23 by Morn
Because this particular moron is getting paid only because people like me go out and buy his games.

Xian propagating an inside joke hardly contsitutes the guy being a moron.
#28 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 15:13:25
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Jeremy, I really don't care much about inside jokes I don't know the "inside" of, nor do I find stuff like 'I guess those germans "non schpreichen ze english"' too amusing.

Hey, all you Americans are the same! You only eat burgers all day, like shooting at each other and hate people of different colour. And in your spare time, you slay innocent Vietnamese women and children!

Hahahah! It's an inside joke! Geddit? Geddit?

- Morn
#29 by "asspennies"
2001-09-06 15:15:39
asspennies@counter-strike.net http://www.asspennies.org/
#28 Morn
Jeremy, I really don't care much about inside jokes I don't know the "inside" of, nor do I find stuff like 'I guess those germans "non schpreichen ze english"' too amusing.

But Morn, I do think this was a case of jumping the gun a bit, something that others have been criticized for here at PlanetCrap in the past.  It may have been outwardly insulting, but once you realized it was a private joke, didn't that lessen your anger a tad?
#30 by "Flamethrower"
2001-09-06 15:21:21
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
It's hard to hate Xian with the same black bile as I hated Steed. Sorry, it it's not easy.

I hate Wilits more.
#31 by "Eyegore"
2001-09-06 15:22:37
This is sort of like when the US stomped germany in WW1 and told them not to make any more weapons of destruction and the germans went right ahead and did it anyway in secret until they were ready to launch WWII.  And I guess it goes to show americans still can't trust those darned krauts.  Looking forward to Beyond Wolfenstien.  :)
#32 by "Ashiran"
2001-09-06 15:29:08
ashiran@ashrain.net wtf.couchcrew.com
Hey! I used :P GunPoint.

Now I'm all :(
#33 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:29:27
kimsbitch@succubae.com
mr0n, I didn't say it was funny, and I didn't say that it was unoffensive to ze krauts. But you are calling Xian a moron, when he merely posted on the shack referencing an inside joke that was started on the shack. Just because you or I are out of the loop doesn't mean that he's a dumbass. And I definitely don't agree with the mindset of 'I'm indirectly paying his salary, he should act the way I want him to'. The next time a cop pulls me over, I'll be sure to tell him to buzz off because, you know, my taxes are indirectly paying his salary...
#34 by "fyrewolf"
2001-09-06 15:34:56
Because this particular moron is getting paid only because people like me go out and buy his games.


I was just pointing out that it is only because we buy their games that this guy (Xian) gets to do what he does -- and for a living, to boot.


But he wasn't insulting people who buy their games.  He was insulting foreign web journalists.  I'm pretty sure even if every foreign web journalist stopped buying their games, they'd still survive.
#35 by "Eyegore"
2001-09-06 15:39:13
Morn:
Hey, all you Americans are the same! You only eat burgers all day, like shooting at each other and hate people of different colour. And in your spare time, you slay innocent Vietnamese women and children!

Hey Morn, all you germans are the same!  You eat bratwurst all day, shooting at non-germans whenever you get around to starting a world war, and hate people who don't have blonde hair/blue eyes/pure blood.  And in your spare time, you commit genocide on an entire race of innocents including women and children, once you've worked them to death in slave labor camps.

Sheesh...get over yourself.  You want to make generalizations about americans?  Don't forget, the first thing that comes to most people's minds when they think of germany is hitler and the holocaust.  Now I'm sure you didn't have anything to do with the holocaust.

This whole subject is easy...Id asked them not to take pictures and they betrayed id's trust.  That makes them jerks, not id software.  And if you think that somehow makes id the jerks instead, well, that's some screwed up logic.  Is it patriotism?  When patriotism has you saying black is white, that's a really bad sign.
#36 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:39:23
kimsbitch@succubae.com
Hey, all you Americans are the same! You only eat burgers all day, like shooting at each other and hate people of different colour. And in your spare time, you slay innocent Vietnamese women and children!

Hahahah! It's an inside joke! Geddit? Geddit?

All of the allegations are true. I have a burger in my hand right now. I drove my big American car down the luxuriously wide 6 lane American road to one of the myriad of fast food restaurants that decorate the middle class American strip mall outside of my roomy American apartment complex.
#37 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:41:14
kimsbitch@succubae.com
Sheesh...get over yourself. You want to make generalizations about americans?

Um, I think that he was pointing out the uselessness of stereotyping an entire nation, but evidently he was being too subtle for you.
#38 by "MCorleone"
2001-09-06 15:45:28
www.planetcrap.com
Check your history books, people:  Is id really a company known for keeping their plan files tame?  Why should their posting on (the shack especially) be any different?  

He was trying to fit in with the other "gangstas and homiez, yo!"
#39 by "MCorleone"
2001-09-06 15:46:47
www.planetcrap.com
Oh and Morn - I like the title of the thread:  "F@#&cking" uses the same symbols Xian did.  The genius is in the details.  ;)
#40 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 15:47:15
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Shit, I just lost 10 minutes worth of a new post. Anyway, fortunately I can summarize it with this little saying here:

"Think before you post."

Thank you.

- Morn
#41 by "Houston"
2001-09-06 15:49:10
houston@ifuckstuffedanimals.com http://olsentwinsnude.planetcrap.com
I think part of the points missing here is that there were two insults, not just one.  

First,
I guess those germans "non schpreichen ze english"


and lovingly second,
PS: f@#&ing foreign web journalists


Now, the second was the inside joke, but the first?  Well, it's either entirely out of place, or by specifying "those" Germans, and not Germans in general.

He is representing his company on that board, whether he likes it or not.  and I know Warren has had a million jibes on that subject, but, that's the way the guy who won't shut up on his .plan file gets denied.  Then again, look at the general manner on the ShackBoard some time.

Does it mean I won't buy Dewm 3?  That has no effect on whether I will purchase the game or not, I can still think the guy's a dick.

-Trolly McTroll, the trollingest troll that ever trolled a messageboard!
#42 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 15:51:44
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
And Jeremy:
And I definitely don't agree with the mindset of 'I'm indirectly paying his salary, he should act the way I want him to'. The next time a cop pulls me over, I'll be sure to tell him to buzz off because, you know, my taxes are indirectly paying his salary...

Can you spot the difference?

- Morn
#43 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:55:15
kimsbitch@succubae.com
Sure. I was being silly, but I still disagree with the attitude.
#44 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 15:59:00
kimsbitch@succubae.com
But were you honestly offended, or just suprised? I guess I have pretty thick skin, but I have a really hard time getting offended. You can say whatever you want about Americans, me, my questionable heritage - it rolls right off of my back.
#45 by "Bailey"
2001-09-06 16:01:32
bailey@evilemail.com
Personalized quote:

About the "Fucking european web journalists" : He's insulting all online journalists in Europe (meaning that the US online journalists are good/better ?).


Actual quote:

PS: f@#&ing foreign web journalists


so I guess those germans "non schpreichen ze english"


Don't smear the lines for your own purposes.

Eyegore

Don't forget, the first thing that comes to most people's minds when they think of germany is hitler and the holocaust. Now I'm sure you didn't have anything to do with the holocaust.


Whoa whoa, let's not start pulling factoids out of the air for no cause. Last I checked, germans were known for their anal fisting videos. Their vast, vast, VAST proliferation of said videos. Vast.

That being said, I really have no comments on this issue. You invite someone into your house with the rules "Please don't eat the baby" and they take a bite out of the baby at the dinner table because it looks a tad juicer than the roast beef... It's just rude. But I'm sure communication in the past with foreign journalists has been an issue for more NA companies. God knows the few euro gaming sites I've had the misfortune of visiting had almost as much broken and token english as a japanese torture game show.
#46 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 16:03:55
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
But why? After all, it's true. Developers survive because people buy their games. If people stop buying their games, they'll go belly up.

Unfortunately, they can't piss off their target audience enough to make them stop buying their games, because we're all fucking addicted (except Flamethrower). But that doesn't make it a nice thing to do.

You don't see Bill Gates going "fucking German users and their Scientology worries!"

- Morn
#47 by "Morn"
2001-09-06 16:05:17
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
(#46 was in reply to #43.)
#48 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-09-06 16:06:27
kimsbitch@succubae.com
No, remember: Flamethrower is an id fanboy. Also remember: "Der ver zwei peanuts, valking down der strasse, and von vas... assaulted! peanut. Ho-ho-ho-ho."
#49 by "Houston"
2001-09-06 16:12:05
houston@ifuckstuffedanimals.com http://olsentwinsnude.planetcrap.com
Venn is dast Nurensturck git und Slotermayer?

Ja, der Beigerhund ist Flippervaldt Gerschput!
#50 by "Rambar"
2001-09-06 16:14:39
http://www.opencrap.org
#3 Morn
Is there any other industry where the manufacturers/publishers/suppliers can insult the people who pay their wages?


Politicians, actors, fast food employees, postal workers, police officers.....need more?

die
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