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Raven's Quake 4?
July 27th 2001, 16:29 CEST by Morn

<a href="http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=3133">Computer & Video Games</a> as well as <a href="http://www.fgnonline.com/pc/news/19387.html">FGN Online</a> are both reporting that the next Quake game is apparently being developed by Raven Software (Soldier of Fortune, Elite Force). Thanks Enyak, Buccaneer and of course <a href="http://www.bluesnews.com">Blue's</a> for the links.
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#1 by "Anonymous"
2001-07-27 16:31:32
http://refracted.com/opencrap
First post using OpenCrap. This thing rocks.
#2 by "Anonymous"
2001-07-27 16:33:21
http://refracted.com/opencrap
We already make PainKeep Arena, there's no need for Quake IV, unless they're making a single person adventure extravaganza.  Whoop!

P.S. Open Crap rules.
#3 by "Ralack"
2001-07-27 16:33:49
ralack@hotmail.com
Wow - after a 1100+ post topic... suddenly the updates are flowing like... ummm... like something, I think, no wait... you know what I mean, well maybe you don't :)
#4 by "Jafd"
2001-07-27 16:34:59
kallisti@hell.com http://jafd.isfuckingbrilliant.com
I'm a big fan of Raven's ability to make a compelling game. It amuses me to no end to think that while many of us were saying, "Man, Id sucks! They should hire someone to make cool games for them!" they were probably inking the contract for Q4. har.
#5 by "enyak"
2001-07-27 16:35:51
enyak@planetcrap.com
So, the question is..  If this is all true - what kind of game is Q4 going to be? I have difficulties imagining a storybased FPS in the Quake 1 Gothic Universe, especially since they can't go too much into the sci-fi direction, as this would collide with DOOM 3.

Maybe it's just a Multiplayer Fragfest game ala Quake 3?
#6 by "BuccAneeR"
2001-07-27 16:53:20
buccaneer@planetcrap.com http://www.strangepeople.net
I wonder what iD Software wants to become. They are outsourcing more and more of their franchises and keep overlooking their client-developers. Are they turning themself into a publisher or into a middleware developer?
#7 by "MaverickUK"
2001-07-27 16:55:15
peter.bridger@tpg.co.uk http://www.thisstrife.com/
Hmmmm.... so Id is makes better engines, for worse games... and Raven makes better games, from Ids engines. I'm sure Id wouldn't mind the Ravens lads whoring the Quake name some more...

--
Mav
\"What kinda shithole planet is this!?\"
#8 by "Stepto"
2001-07-27 16:56:42
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
What's wrong with outsourcing the franchises?  People are always screaming that id can't make more than a technology demo.  I would imagine their hands are full with Doom.

S.
#9 by "MaverickUK"
2001-07-27 16:59:24
peter.bridger@tpg.co.uk http://www.thisstrife.com/
Maybe Quake4 is that *BIG* secret PS2 project the Raven boys were mumbling about...?

--
Mav
\"What kinda shithole planet is this!?\"
#10 by "Flamethrower"
2001-07-27 17:11:21
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
The problem is and always has been Raven's shit levels.

Raven are a tech company. They take id-tech, add fixes to models, and put a medEVIL skin on, and call it a new game.

They do many good jobs. Weapon models... some textures... the "feel". But where they fucking SUCK are their levels, hideous, linear, fucking shit.

SOF and ELITE FORCE are two excellent examples of this.

EF are legendarily corridor, so look at SOF.

Look what happens in the first level of SOF. A cutscene. A limited moving train. Anything else?

What happens in the first level of Half Life? Or even SIN where you have an organised bank-robbery, abseiling assasins, etc?

Fucking hell... RAVEN and QUAKE == the third FUCKED Quake sequel.


fuck off -- the fucking lot of you
#11 by "Stepto"
2001-07-27 17:14:15
stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
Christ flamethrower I hate is when you sugercoat things.

S.
#12 by "Flamethrower"
2001-07-27 17:14:40
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
PS: this rumour came out at Evil Avatar many many weeks ago.
#13 by "Spatula Man"
2001-07-27 17:15:46
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
Hmm... I've never thought much of Raven; both SoF and Elite Force were only briefly entertaining before they sank into mindless mouse-clicking. And I think Quake3 is about the best thing since sliced bread. So this news is pretty distressing. :P
#14 by "George Broussard's Mullet"
2001-07-27 17:47:09
gbmullet@3drealms.com
Thanks to OMM for reminding me, be you see the shit that I have to put up with? He's basically badmouthing a game that we just published - in advance!

George:
I'm all for shorter game with more quality that know when to quit.
But I'm sorry a 10 hour game sucks.
...I don't feel I got my $40 worth when I finish a game in 10 hours.
#15 by "Martin"
2001-07-27 17:47:53
martin@theplace.nu http://martin.theplace.nu
I know I might be in a minority but I liked Heretic II, even the levels. 8) Never player SoF and EF though.

It should be fun to see what they come up with at all for a Q4, no matter the execution of the idea later on.
#16 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-07-27 17:55:05
kimsbitch@succubae.com
I played through a bit of Heretic II, and liked it. Not super memorable, though - I wouldn't go back and play it today.

Judging a game to be released at least 1.5+ years in the future based on the developer is pure premature speculation at best. Of course.
#17 by "Spatula Man"
2001-07-27 18:02:44
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
Likewise, I never played Heretic II... so if you thought that was good, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by a Raven-made Q4.
#18 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-07-27 18:06:35
kimsbitch@succubae.com
Yeah, hey... I'm looking forward to hearing more about it as the game gets under further development. I do this weird thing where I only make judgements about something that I have some information on.
#19 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-07-27 18:24:29
warren@epicgames.com www.epicgames.com
Wow ... so Raven has SOF2, Jedi Knight 2 and now Quake 4 in development?  Must be a larger place than I thought.
#20 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-07-27 18:24:57
warren@epicgames.com www.epicgames.com
Yeah, hey... I'm looking forward to hearing more about it as the game gets under further development. I do this weird thing where I only make judgements about something that I have some information on.

That's crazy talk!
#21 by "Spatula Man"
2001-07-27 18:31:39
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
I do this weird thing where I only make judgements about something that I have some information on.


Neh neh neh. :P

If everyone held out their opinion until they had full knowledge of the facts then planetcrap would be a much quieter and less interesting place.
#22 by "Dethstryk"
2001-07-27 18:37:14
jemartin@tcainternet.com http://thoughtcoma.dhs.org/
Flamethrower (#12)
PS: this rumour came out at Evil Avatar many many weeks ago.

You must have confused “Evil Avatar” with “CVG News in this article”.

Warren Marshall (#19)
Wow ... so Raven has SOF2, Jedi Knight 2 and now Quake 4 in development? Must be a larger place than I thought.

Don’t forget their “big PS2 project”, so that’s four titles. I’m not sure if the idea of them working on four titles at once is all that settling to me.


--
Dethstryk
#23 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-07-27 18:55:41
kimsbitch@succubae.com
If everyone held out their opinion until they had full knowledge of the facts then planetcrap would be a much quieter and less interesting place.

Heh - you're right, I'm sorry:

Quake 4 0wnz j00 FAGOT!!!!!!!!11

etc, etc...
#24 by "Gimper"
2001-07-27 18:59:31
jjohnsen0@qwest.net
#19
Wow ... so Raven has SOF2, Jedi Knight 2 and now Quake 4 in development? Must be a larger place than I thought.


So how come only one of them sounds interesting (Jedi Knight 2)  The rest might as well be the same game with different skins.
#25 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-07-27 19:10:21
kimsbitch@succubae.com
The rest might as well be the same game with different skins.

We both agree (I assume) that Quake 3 rocked for the type of game that it wanted to be. We also both agree (again, I assume) that Quake 2 and Quake 3 were very different games. We agree again (and I may be giving you a lot of credit here) on the fact that Quake 4 is being developed by a different company than the previous Quake games. So how can you make a statement like that with no information about the game whatsoever?! Quake 4 could be a fucking monochrone platform flight simulator - we don't know!

Here, let me help you make some blanket statements:
1) Nothing with the Quake name will ever be any good.
2) Nothing Raven makes will ever be any good.
#26 by "Blood_GC"
2001-07-27 19:16:48
blood@roflmao.com
Do we really need (read: want) a Q4?
#27 by "Spatula Man"
2001-07-27 19:25:16
llama@verbalchilli.com www.verbalchilli.com
Jezza Witt: "Nothing Raven makes will ever be any good."

It's not so much that, but it is disappointing for me that Raven is making it, given the following:

a) I haven't liked two of their biggest and most recent games for very fundamental reasons.
b) id have a perfect track record at producing games that I adore.

Now do you see why I am less than giddy that the best franchise evar will be in the hands of someone other than the meisters at id? :)
#28 by "Former GGG2Ger"
2001-07-27 19:29:50
Chella Kline Makes Mistakes (But Is Still Right)
Friday, July 27th 2001, 10:13 UTC | by Former GGG2Ger

Today we found out that Chella Kline, martyr-extrodinaire, is not who "she" claims to be.

In mid-July, she posted the following:

"In more personally humiliating news. I found out recently, that the Goon squad over at Planet Crap have stumbled across a web site I slapped together in an afternoon a long time ago, just to see how it worked. Hey, we all have skeletons in our closet right? I made the mistake of posting my old resume shot on this web page, and it seems this prompted discussion. Man, I feel violated. If the posters at Planet Crap weren't all gay I would expect stalkers."

The website and she refers to contains the following comment about Stevie "Killcreek" Case:

"I have a deep dislike for Killcreek, she really set women back in the game industry by volunteering to be masturbation fodder for a few thousand drooling Nerds that already see women as objects. [...] What a dumb bitch"

So it comes as a suprise to this journalist to find this version of her "resume" photo (and this one) on a site titled Classroom Chicks.

What do you think? Does this bother you?
#29 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-07-27 19:34:40
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com http://www.cosmicrift.com
The only game Raven has made that I have not liked too much was Soldier of Fortune.

Maybe they'll make a *good* singleplayer Quake, since one hasn't existed yet.

--jmc
#30 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-07-27 19:36:10
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com http://www.cosmicrift.com
mmm nonude

--jmc
#31 by "B_A_T_T_L_E_D_W_A_R_F"
2001-07-27 19:37:27
errr.. uuuummmmm...yeah.
Quote:
[Flamethrower (#12)

PS: this rumour came out at Evil Avatar many many weeks ago.

You must have confused “Evil Avatar” with “CVG News in this article”.]


Yeah, failin' Phil has absolutely_no_credibility in gaming news. She'd make a great burger flipper, though. ;)


The Unbannable Male Battle-Dwarf
#32 by "B_A_T_T_L_E_D_W_A_R_F"
2001-07-27 19:41:35
WAR---HA!--Huzzah! what_is_it_good_for?---absolutely_NOTHIN'!
Quote:
[Chella Kline Makes Mistakes (But Is Still Right)]


Ahhhhh-h-h, nothing like a good dispute to end the week, eh?  ;)


The Male Battle-Dwarf
#33 by "shaithis"
2001-07-27 19:44:58
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
The major concern I have is that the Quake "look" has been so dependent on Adrian Carmack and Kevin Cloud's work (and Kenn Scott's, for Q3). Raven has a fine stable of texture artists, but their work to date has not been remotely Quake-y.

I must agree with concerns about level design and gameflow, also. I beat Elite Force in nine hours, and wasn't that enthused with it. I couldn't even get through Soldier of Fortune, because the gameplay became so repetative by the fourth or fifth level.

Dunno... I don't really have much more to say. There was a time in my life when "Quake4" would've meant a lot to me. But so many games have surpassed the series on just about every level (including prettiness, since id's own engine licensees have outdone them at least twice), that it's not as exciting to me as it might otherwise have been.

-shai
#34 by "Apache"
2001-07-27 19:45:54
sources close to the story inform me that making up the news is not a good idea
#35 by "Jeremy Witt"
2001-07-27 19:53:18
kimsbitch@succubae.com
#27 by Spatula Man
Jezza Witt: "Nothing Raven makes will ever be any good."

Whoa... the way that you're quoting me there makes it look like I wasn't being sarcastic!
#36 by "Ashiran"
2001-07-27 20:09:12
ikhier@wish.nl wtf.couchcrew.com
Raven == GOOD!

You know why? Cause they can make something decent in a very short time(relatively). Unlike some other companies who make something crappy in a long time
#37 by "szcx codemonkey"
2001-07-27 20:18:07
*shrug* I loved Elite Force. If they do Quake IV, that's fine by me.
#38 by "The Joker"
2001-07-27 20:27:31
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
Former GGG2Ger (#28):

Aaah yes, I doubted that could be Chella. She must look really ugly. Kinda like Gunpo1nt.


On the Quake 4 thing, eeeeeeeewwwww. Hasn't id Software learned anything??

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behavior, Pedophilosopher.
- All your ass are belong to my wang, Jafd! Prepare to are penetration!
#39 by "Narcopolo"
2001-07-27 20:39:51
Don't forget EF was aimed at a mainstream audience due to the Star Trek license, so it was supposed to be linear and easy to get in to.  Quake 4 on the other hand, if it's even coming ever, would be aimed at a much more hardcore crowd.  I'd hope it'd use the old Q3A tech though.   That hasn't even been fully tapped yet.  No need to send people screaming to the store for a GeForce 3 yet.

I just want a game in the near future that can have some kind of insight to share.   That's all.  And Doom 3.

As for Ms. Kline, is that woman in the picture her or not?   It would seem so, but I'm curious.
#40 by "Chet"
2001-07-27 20:49:21
chet@freakingretard.com http://www.freakingretard.com
#28 by Former GGG2Ger

Oh my!  Someone used a fake picture! I am outraged.  I would say something more, but if I call you a troll, someone is going to go crazy and post 300 posts about how all I do is swear to get my point across.  Which on close examination - I have come to believe means the word troll is a swear word.

Chet
#41 by "Ergo"
2001-07-27 20:58:47
stu@dsl-only.net
#40 "Chet" wrote...
#28 by Former GGG2Ger

Oh my! Someone used a fake picture! I am outraged. I would say something more, but if I call you a troll, someone is going to go crazy and post 300 posts about how all I do is swear to get my point across. Which on close examination - I have come to believe means the word troll is a swear word.

Chet

But Chet, your swearing is so purty!
#42 by "Gabe"
2001-07-27 21:02:14
gakruger@hotmail.com http://refracted.com/opencrap
Chet, I think it is not "outrage" at the posting of a fake picture, but bemusement that she started a flamewar over people viewing the fake picture.
#43 by "szcx codemonkey"
2001-07-27 21:02:17
Purty words from a purty mouth.
#44 by "__try"
2001-07-27 22:59:12
Raven's SP games have not been that great; I was ready to buy SOF until I played the demo.  Similary EF was really fun in parts but too linear (yeah that was on purpose blah blah blah).

But I gotta say that EF Multiplayer is awesome; much better than vanilla q3 (but not as good as painkeep (:->)).  If Quake4 is a super-duper multiplayer game, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
#45 by "Xian"
2001-07-27 23:37:25
xian@idsoftware.com
Who is Chella Kline ?

 -Xian
#46 by "hiredgoons"
2001-07-27 23:54:42
dburoker@uswest.net
Xian (#45):
Who is Chella Kline ?


Forgive him, he knows not what he does. :)

#47 by "szcx codemonkey"
2001-07-27 23:56:14
I think she's like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster.  Nobody knows if she's real or not, but there sure are a lot of fake photographs.
#48 by "Gyruss"
2001-07-27 23:58:51
"The major concern I have is that the Quake "look" has been so dependent on Adrian Carmack and Kevin Cloud's work (and Kenn Scott's, for Q3). Raven has a fine stable of texture artists, but their work to date has not been remotely Quake-y."


YES YES, We need more brown and grey !!! Bring back all the brown and grey!!!!!.

I think iD set a new record in Q1 and Q2 for the most variations on two colors I've ever seen. I wonder if some of the guys at iD are color blind and may not even know their doing it...
#49 by "shaithis"
2001-07-28 00:09:31
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
Gyruss -

Go back, pay through Q2 again, and notice that every color of the spectrum is represented in it. There's plenty of greens, purples, blues, oranges, reds and yellows, in addition to the browns and greys.

The textures for Q3 also contain all sorts of colors.

-shai
#50 by "Apache"
2001-07-28 00:11:45
off topic: "Planet of Apes" is great! Go see it :-)
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