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Please stop it, my head is hurting!
July 4th 2001, 00:47 CEST by Morn

<table align="right" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0" width="199"><tr><td><img src="/images/misc/shaminos_friend.jpg" width="197" height="213" border="1"></td></tr><tr><td align="center" class="imagetext">We love this guy! If he only wasn't so horribly evil...</td></tr></table>Three of you emailed me little stories about a well-known (not for quality, although it's not as much of a waste of time as this place here) gaming news & commentary site which isn't going to get any further free Sierra games anymore because its virtuous Editor In Chief did something that's not really much worse than any of the other crap he's been doing for a while now.

No, I'm not going to post any of them. Just ignore the idiot. He's just a poor, lonely American. You should be glad he doesn't walk around shooting people between the eyes. One of you even wrote: "Personally, I think [the site] should be put out of business." You fool. Do you think you're any better than him when you say something like that?

From the AO department: people are now <a href="http://community.mystics.de/board/view/?C=1&B=1&E=0&L=994151408&P=0&O=0&M=994196960-19164">complaining</a> about not being able to find their friends (who they just started to play with) in the "newbie zone". If you know AO, you'll at least giggle now.

I did my taxes today. I hate the world.
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#1 by "Morn"
2001-07-04 00:48:25
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Second!
#2 by "Morn"
2001-07-04 00:48:46
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Damn! Can't I do anything right in life? :/

- Morn
#3 by "szcx"
2001-07-04 00:49:24
leslie@sweetfuckingchrist.com www.sweetfuckingchrist.com
I don't get it.
#4 by "Darkseid-D"
2001-07-04 00:53:23
Darkseid@Captured.com www.sluggy.com
/me gives it to szcx


/me cackles


/me waits for the explosion


Ds
#5 by "Glock"
2001-07-04 00:57:10
glock17@tampabay.rr.com
Ah crap.

I mailed an entire article that I wanted posted.  :o(
#6 by "enyak"
2001-07-04 00:57:15
enyak@planetcrap.com
I do, but you only get it if you read a lot of the AO developer interviews and the odd messageboard post. When starting the game, players are being sent into random newbie zones (which technically are clones with the same look, but different exits to the city) in the same city. Typically there are 14 newbie zone clones per city. You can individually enter each one from the city, once you exit your assigned newbie zone for the first time.
#7 by "szcx"
2001-07-04 00:58:41
leslie@sweetfuckingchrist.com www.sweetfuckingchrist.com
I'm not the one who pirated the game, I just suggested that it might not be such a bad thing for word to get out ahead of time about a bad game.

Ah, the old "warez are just like a demo" justification.  Basing opinions on a ripped game is such a good idea.
#8 by "Jafd2k"
2001-07-04 01:28:42
kallisti@hell.com http://jafd.isfuckingbrilliant.com
I don't understand any of this. Is the obfuscation intentional or is this another of those times when I should have been paying attention?
#9 by "Anonymous"
2001-07-04 01:42:14
So that's like five or six articles in a row now about AO.  Time to rename the site PlanetAnarchyOnlineCrap.com

Morn were you drunk when you wrote this? What the hell are you talking about?
#10 by "Eyegore"
2001-07-04 01:43:13
damned deleted cookies
#11 by "Ryslin"
2001-07-04 01:49:35
(sigh) at least it isnt evercrack!!
thats all i hear about at work still

could we talk about something else... diablo 2 exp?
startopia (look it up)
something!
#12 by "due"
2001-07-04 02:19:21
chrisr@g33k.net
Enough AO stuff!
#13 by "Foogla"
2001-07-04 02:23:41
Foogla@gmx.de
I really don't care for AO.

OMG THEY USE TCP AND NOT UDP.

:)
#14 by "crash"
2001-07-04 02:31:50
crash@planetcrap.com
from main post.

para 1: what are you talking about?

picture: Morn, i had no idea you were so... old.

para 2: uh?

para 3: AO's a lot of fun, when it's running. it's been getting better. anyone done a tracert on it yet? what a mess... at least for me (SF Bay Area). packets go from me to my isp (local) to santa clara ca (where exodus is), then for some bizarro reason they go all the way to fucking VIRGINIA for two hops, whereupon they return passively to santa clara. what are those Virginia hops? validation servers? no wonder it's so fucked... nothing like having yr login servers three thousand miles away instead of, y'know, on the next rack.

with that said, though, it plays real nice after midnight my time. havin old "woo no line noise" BBS flashbacks of dialin and stayin on all night... christ i'm old.
#15 by "NikNak"
2001-07-04 02:32:30
niknak@strategyplanet.com
The "Evil" site in question was clearly wrong. The Editor-In-Chief (whether knowingly or not) did phrase his comments about Arcanum in a way that implied that pirating the game was good for the average consumer. How short-sighted can he be?

Although I don't like most games from Sierra, I applaud their decision to withdraw support from the site. L33t p1rAt35 = fagots.
#16 by "aivars"
2001-07-04 02:33:30
wtf morn is giving us lessons on how to be nice people now? YES i think i'm better than most people and i didn't even bother to send anything in! if everyone thought they were equal this world would be FUCKING boring!

aivars
#17 by "BarneyQue"
2001-07-04 02:53:40
barneyque@hotmail.com
#15 "NikNak" wrote...
The Editor-In-Chief (whether knowingly or not) did phrase his comments about Arcanum in a way that implied that pirating the game was good for the average consumer. How short-sighted can he be?


God, I cant believe I'm about to do this.

But, I'm afraid that's a giant leap.  He never said priacy was good for the average gamer.  What he said, was that it was good for the average gamer to find out about games the suck before they spend money on them.

#18 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-07-04 02:57:34
warren@epicgames.com epicboy.flipcode.com
crash (#14):
havin old "woo no line noise" BBS flashbacks of dialin and stayin on all night... christ i'm old.

Haha, line noise.  I'd totally forgotten about that.  Online chatting with your buddy and you want to piss him off?  Pick up the phone and blow.  :P

#19 by "m0nty"
2001-07-04 03:03:51
paul@delphiconsulting.com.au www.delphiconsulting.com.au
What, no mention of the word "fagot" in the subject line?!?
#20 by "Quicken"
2001-07-04 03:21:06
geoffrey@access.com.au http://www.warmage.com/
#11 Ryslin:
could we talk about something else... diablo 2 exp?


Is it any good? I've surprised myself by digging out Diablo 2 and playing mroe recently. Mostly because I was curious what the recent patches did. Wasn't too thrilled when I found out my spearazon was nerfed but I'll live.
#21 by "Jafd2k"
2001-07-04 04:42:17
kallisti@hell.com http://jafd.isfuckingbrilliant.com
#14 "crash" wrote...
anyone done a tracert on it yet?

Someone please say where to ping to.?

#8 "Jafd2k" wrote...
I don't understand any of this.

Oh, okay, I do now, duhhhh. You know I think I really am about to grow into the old cliche, that perhaps I am getting to be smart enough to know just how dumb I really am. "As the sphere of knowledge grows, the surface area of ignorance gets bigger. There's no way around that."

Seems like a simple straw and a big enough camel. That mouthy ghit has been playing off the line for his own gain for so long, this time he stepped too far, and now he's getting it back. Who's going to carry a torch for him? All ten of the bots he programs to fluff his forums?

================
I am a prototype for a much bigger idiot.
#22 by "TheToadWarrior"
2001-07-04 05:50:29
toadwarrior@hotmail.com http://www.toadwarrior.org
Who's this Editor and Chief you're talking about? My brain is broke tonight. :(
#23 by "Glock"
2001-07-04 05:52:35
glock17@tampabay.rr.com
ToadWarrior:

EvilAvatar.com, ran by Philip "Evil Avatar" Hansen.

Morn, PLEASE post an article about it!  Damnit, I need to bitch about Evil somewhere other than his boards. :P
#24 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:18:10
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat.


-shai
#25 by "BarneyQue"
2001-07-04 06:29:57
barneyque@hotmail.com
#24 "shaithis" wrote...
Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat.

-shai


If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd have to question, the subtle support being shown here, and where it's comming from since EA has recently started promoting gamespy products for a few days a week on the front of his page, while at the same time sending UGO packing, but I'm not into that sort of thing, so I won't even say it.

Even if it were true, there's nothing wrong with that.  :)

#26 by "crash"
2001-07-04 06:30:42
crash@planetcrap.com
Jafd2k, 21:

Someone please say where to ping to.?

here's from my hosts file, taken from numerous places on the AO boards:

216.74.158.11   lh.d1.funcom.com
216.74.158.23   download.anarchy-online.com
216.74.158.24   downloads.anarchy-online.com
216.74.158.11   dimensions.anarchy-online.com

lh.d1/dimensions is your inbound door. download and downloads are self explanatory. alternately, you could be lazy and get AOTron, a handy little TSR that polls like that UO util used to, or bookmark this page, which does pretty much the same thing.
#27 by "crash"
2001-07-04 06:36:16
crash@planetcrap.com
shaithis, 24:

Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat.

so if no one else's opinions mean squat, bitching about it won't harm anything, will it? won't matter, right? i mean, in the grand scheme of things.

just wanted to clarify. :-p
#28 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:41:05
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
BarneyQue -

If I thought you were a conspiracy theorist I'd have to point out that I despise Avatar's site, always have, and am glad to see him getting what he very definitely deserves.

I'd also point out that there are several people here who'll vouch for the fact that who I work for doesn't influence my personal opinions, and that in issues that I feel are a conflict of interest, I'd prefer to say nothing at all than to get involved in the discussion.

But I don't... so I won't even say it. ;)

-shai
#29 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:44:24
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
crash -

It's one thing to do stories about a company. Funcom, GameSpy... go nuts. It's another thing entirely to run an article that is, essentially, laughing at some guy's failings. It'd be like running an article (circa last year) with the title: "Ha Ha Apache! Way to piss of 3DR, Jackass!"

You're free to think what you want, but begging Morn to post an article "so I can bitch about him someplace other than his forums" seemed tacky to me.

-shai
#30 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:46:05
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
piss <i>off</i>.

...and the capitalization in that article is wacked. :P

-shai
#31 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:46:10
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
Thinking...
#32 by "shaithis"
2001-07-04 06:46:32
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
Quietly Weeping...
#33 by "radium"
2001-07-04 06:50:41
radium@no.spam.com
That shaithis guy always was a spammer!
#34 by "radium"
2001-07-04 06:51:27
radium@no.spam.com
That shaithis guy always was a real spammer.
#35 by "BarneyQue"
2001-07-04 06:56:12
barneyque@hotmail.com
#28 "shaithis" wrote...
BarneyQue -

If I thought you were a conspiracy theorist I'd have to point out that I despise Avatar's site, always have, and am glad to see him getting what he very definitely deserves.

I'd also point out that there are several people here who'll vouch for the fact that who I work for doesn't influence my personal opinions, and that in issues that I feel are a conflict of interest, I'd prefer to say nothing at all than to get involved in the discussion.

But I don't... so I won't even say it. ;)

-shai


All things considered then, it's just as well that I did not say anything then.

I don't really know you so I'll take your word for it, and Evil certainly would not buy me a beer if we met up in a bar, he's tossed me more than once from his site as it is, so I'd hate to start any trouble.

Overall, I don't think he said what people are claiming he said.

And of course, I've said nothing so far.  :)
#36 by "crash"
2001-07-04 07:42:51
crash@planetcrap.com
shaithis:

You're free to think what you want, but begging Morn to post an article "so I can bitch about him someplace other than his forums" seemed tacky to me.

woo you take this stuff too seriously man. was just yankin your chain. :) but this:

Quietly Weeping...

...was a classic. wish we still had quote of the nanosecond. that would rule.
#37 by "m0nty"
2001-07-04 07:51:46
paul@delphiconsulting.com.au www.delphiconsulting.com.au
For those who still don't know what Morn's talking about, here's a link.

Just another example of how immature sections of the industry are: specifically the psycho fanzine element and (more surprisingly) the PR departments of major publishers. The holes both Evil Avatar and Adam Kahn are digging are so deep that they should rename the thread "Journey to the Centre of the Earth".

On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal? My money is on fiscal nervousness, after the rash of site closures. Those flashing UGO non-banners are giving everyone the heebie-jeebies. We have been told they're the result of broken scripts, but they may actually be subtle yet desperate calls-to-action to find anyone with a marketing budget to "CONTACT UGO IMMEDIATELY!"
#38 by "None-1a"
2001-07-04 08:11:14
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a
From EA article/rant thingy
I'm not the one who pirated the game, I just suggested that it might not be such a bad thing for word to get out ahead of time about a bad game. I try to put the consumer needs above that of the publisher - which I guess isn't allowed.


Wait I thought that was what a review was supposted to tell me.

#37 "m0nty" wrote...
On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal? My money is on fiscal nervousness, after the rash of site closures.


It'd say it just from having to many sites covering the same material in the exact same way. Sure when the ad dollors where good the site could have a happy go lucky attitude toward each other now that the money isn't around it's an all out rivaly for those ad dollors. This isn't really a bad thing since the stronger sites will stick to their guns and stay around and make out quite good when/if things turn around. In the mean time expect the crap to continue and ignore it (well for the most part we could get some good topics out of this).
#39 by "Paul"
2001-07-04 08:49:36
deleted deleted
There's no doubt that Piracy is good for the average ethicless gamer assuming that most people pirate.

There are two arguments here:
1) It's stealing, it's wrong, don't do it.
2) If no one pirated, games would be much cheaper.

I won't take on the first argument. But the second is what I have always liked to focus on. I've heard estimates that computer games typically cost between 1.5 and 2x as much due to the lack of revenue from pirating. If this was the case, let's assume the average game could be $25 or $20 on sale as opposed to $50 or $35 on sale.

$20 for a poor game is a lot better than $35 for a poor game. But, should we believe that companies would actually charge these lesser rates if pirating didn't exist? Probably not.

So in short, pirating can be effectively used provided you don't mind stealing from other people. On the other hand, how many of you who pirate would walk into a store and steal the same game off the shelf? Does the assumption that you have a much higher chance of getting caught when you steal in the store affect your decision to pirate, but not shoplift?

- Paul
#40 by "None-1a"
2001-07-04 09:05:31
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a
#39 "Paul" wrote...
$20 for a poor game is a lot better than $35 for a poor game. But, should we believe that companies would actually charge these lesser rates if pirating didn't exist? Probably not.

So in short, pirating can be effectively used provided you don't mind stealing from other people.


The problem here is exactly how much of the game do you really need to play before finding out it's a bad game. 10, 40, 80 100% of the game? Most people would be less willing to fork over the $35 for a game if they've already finished it (considering replay value isn't to high in many games), but in order to know if there isn't a show stoper on the last level you really do need to play all of the game.

Also even if the prices didn't fall there'd still be benifets to lower piracy rates. Higher profits mean publishers could hold releases longer for more testing, you also see more publishers willing to take chances on unknowns or inovative games.
#41 by "crash"
2001-07-04 09:17:25
crash@planetcrap.com
m0nty, 37:

For those who still don't know what Morn's talking about, here's a link.

thanks. now i see what all the fuss is about. looking at it from an "i don't really care" standpoint--because, y'know, i don't really care--it's one of two reasons. or both; why be choosy?

1. EA can't write for shit.
2. He's advocating piracy in a really clumsy, stupid way.

either way, it doesn't matter. Sierra yanks him off the distro list. that's their prerogative. remember, kiddies, "being a media writer" != "w00p i don't have to shop at EBX any more". well, okay, it shouldn't. hell, i think i bought more games while i worked at gamecenter than i did when i didn't.

being a gaming journalist isn't a ticket to the Free Boxed Product buffet, like way, way too many folks "in the industry" seem to think it is.

but that's a whole 'nother thread, believe me.

On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal?

because, objectively speaking, there is really very little that differentiates one from another in a real, objective, value-added kind of way. (it certainly isn't the quality of the editorial, but, again, that's a whole 'nother thread.) think of all the gaming content sites you go to each day (or check your bookmarks). now, if you had to pick one, which one would it be?









the fact that you can pick one is why. doesn't matter which one it is, but it's hectic because all these sites know this as well as you do. and they're all trying to be that one.

None-1a, 38:

Wait I thought that was what a review was supposted to tell me.

good reviews do tell you that.
#42 by "Paul"
2001-07-04 09:29:58
deleted deleted
None-1a:

That's true. Companies may be more willing to hold off game releases if revenues were better. But, then again, if customers don't complain enough about all these patches, I can't imagine there will be much of a change.

I'm not sure if there are any real solutions to pirating. If someone had one, they would be an instant millionare.

- Paul
#43 by "Martin"
2001-07-04 09:35:23
martin@theplace.nu http://martin.theplace.nu
I agree with shaitis here . I know this is PlanetCrap and all but why the need to rag on the guy. I've only been to EA's site a couple of times and have no real opinion on him so I actually don't care, I just find it strange that anyone wants to spend time and energy dissin' the dude. If you want to dis someone who is more likely to deserve dissin' try out Slobodan Milosevic.

He says that the Hague tribunal is "an illegal organ" and that he has no need to defend himself because no matter what they say it's all illegal. More here. He refuses to cooperate and accept any legal help (although he might have changed his mind now, not sure). Or perhaps it's the Hague tribunal that needs a dissin'? Are they doing NATO's dirty work as Milosevic says?
#44 by "Flamethrower"
2001-07-04 09:42:11
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
I got banned from posting to the EA forums (true story).
#45 by "None-1a"
2001-07-04 10:04:38
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a
#43 "Martin" wrote...
I know this is PlanetCrap and all but why the need to rag on the guy.


It's not really a desire to rag on the guy directly, it's just that he tends to take every thing that's currently wrong with internet game media and multipliys it 100 times. Any topic involving this would have quickly went into what's wrong with that media, piracy, or banner fall out (look all of those have started already).


#42 "Paul" wrote...
That's true. Companies may be more willing to hold off game releases if revenues were better. But, then again, if customers don't complain enough about all these patches, I can't imagine there will be much of a change.


I don't know it's hard to tell what the suits making those desisions would do considering the only info we have comes from the PR guys in why piracy is bad releases. It'd be inetresting to see a direct polls of them about where they'd rank what route they'd like to see the company make if casual piracy suddenly stoped and profit margins shot up(your know 1-5 for each on if they'd want lower price, longer testing cycles, or taking on more risky games/developers). Considering what it'd require to do that I'm not exactly going to start holding my breath waiting for it.

I'm not sure if there are any real solutions to pirating. If someone had one, they would be an instant millionare.


Well you can almost totaly ignore the hardcore pirates since it's not like any thing you'd try would have any effect there. The best focus would probably be to try to curb what they're doing filtering down into the casual area. People wouldn't like it since that'd mean coming down on the one stop crack sites.
#46 by "Flamethrower"
2001-07-04 10:41:41
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
Drug news.

Ten years ago Sir Keith Morris, the British ambassador to Colombia, was a firm believer in the war on drugs being waged by the US with the support of Europe against the drug barons of Latin America. Ten years on he has concluded the war, which still continues, "is unwinnable, costly and counter-productive".


The Guardian's editorial on the above.
#47 by "Zzz"
2001-07-04 11:34:55
Obviously Evil Avatar is correct in saying that gamers are better off knowing what not to buy, regardless of how he came by knowledge of a particular game.  God knows, they won't find out by reading Game Spy or any of the other pr tripe that passes for journalism in the gaming media.  His remark, in fact, is a classic faux pas; it's not that he said something false or incorrect, just the opposite.  The response of the game publisher is akin to a petulant advertiser pulling an ad from a newspaper that has had the temerity to bite the hand that feeds it.  And the response of moralizing critics is terribly amusing -- one wonders how many of them intend to buy the game now that they've heard it's widely considered a stinker.

Chop chop, all the rest of you sanctimonious game sites.  Time to get some sycophantic Sierra coverage out on the double, before your feedbag is yanked, too!
#48 by "PiMuRho"
2001-07-04 11:43:02
www.pimurho.co.uk
Got to love this:

In the UK its about 37% of  all games related software is pirated..... & the
age old rhetoric about those same pirates affecting the R&D side of gaming
development is crap!
Things are changing. No longer will piracy be so hard. In fact most  of us
know its very very easy. FadeŽ didnt work nor does digital signing. They
gotta accept that the pirates are one step ahead. Besides freedom of
speech/choice/expression are paramount to any democratic society. Hehe.
Long live those that do that sort of thing.


That was from my ISP's newsgroups.
#49 by "Flamethrower"
2001-07-04 11:46:17
patch@evilemail.com www.Jesus-vs-Judas.com
It's almost impossible to buy the complete Total Annihilation these days.

To play the game, you need the CD in. Putting the CD in makes it wear out.

The game I bought, and still want to play, I cannot. I paid for that game, it's being played online now and I can't join.

And what do game developers reckon? Tough fucking luck, buy another game instead, cunt.

Well tough fucking luck to you instead. Fuck copy protection.

From this day forward I pledge never to play for any game with copy protection. From this day forth I promise to priate every single game I ever own.


Too many years of paying for game and too little to show for it. Fuck you and goodnight.
#50 by "PiMuRho"
2001-07-04 11:52:01
www.pimurho.co.uk
Using a no-cd crack is perfectly acceptable, in my opinion. I do it with almost all the games I buy. Piracy is different matter entirely.
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