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GameSpy Redefines Maths! (was: Play More Subspace!)
April 17th 2001, 20:49 CEST by Morn

It's late, and it's time for a new thread, so how about some old-fashioned GSI bashing? Well, I'm just kidding. To be honest, I simply felt like posting a little non-discussion thread about <a href="http://www.subspacehq.com">Subspace</a>, a somewhat dated but amazingly fun multiplayer space shooter. The game was made by <a href="http://www.harmlessgames.com">Harmless Games</a> (who're also responsible for the technologically somewhat more impressive, but not as fun 2D tactical action game <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/infantry/">Infantry</a>) and was meant to be published by <a href="http://www.vie.com">Virgin Interactive</a>, who unfortunately dropped the game while being in open beta testing. The game is now available for free, with servers run by Subspace enthusiasts. And it still rocks.

Oh, and regarding the GSI bashing -- I just really liked the following quote from their <a href="http://www.gamespy.com/previews/april01/cosmicrift/">preview of Cosmic Rift</a>, a game you could call "a Subspace clone" -- heck, it looks so similar to Subspace, it might just have been developed by the same people:

Remember Sub-Space? Now increase the number of players exponentially and you'll get the idea of the magnitude of Cosmic Rift Online. "A single arena can have up to 200 people in it," explains Producer Rob Hill.

Oh feck it, I sound like a right Subspace fanboy. But considering that Subspace games easily handle 250+ players, now we all finally know why GameSpy never publishes the authors' email addresses. Fools! FOOLS!

<b>In Subspace, nobody can hear you compute!</b>
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#1 by "phreakin"
2001-04-12 03:20:44
phreakin@penguinpowered.com
Thinking...
#2 by "Morn"
2001-04-17 20:50:01
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
No, I'm not on drugs.

- Morn
#3 by "Sgt Hulka"
2001-04-17 20:54:36
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
Ich habe nichts, das falsch ist, über Gamespy zu sagen. Ich kann sagen, daß Fileplanet schwierig ist, gute Downloads von zu erhalten und es Unfähigkeit ist, mit Gozilla zu arbeiten ist irritierend. Alle Leute, die ich gesprochen habe mit, wem linkes GSI haben, nichts zu haben, aber die falschen, extrem falschen Sachen zum Sagen über GSI und Kennzeichnen der Laufwerke ein kleiner BMW.

#4 by "Narcopolo"
2001-04-17 20:57:10
Damn phreakin, you didn't even take the two seconds to type 'fp'
#5 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-04-17 21:01:54
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
Subspace forever!

/me takes back everything he ever said bad about Morn for this topic.

--jmc
#6 by "PiMuRho"
2001-04-17 21:08:31
I used to enjoy a game of SubSpace back in 1996. I thought it actually went commercial though? I had an interview at VIE (just before the EA takeover- lucky escape there) in 1998, and they were on about the piracy problems they were having with the servers.
Still, it's better than Westwood's "Subspace meets C&C" game, Sole Survivor. Nice idea, awfully executed.
#7 by "Phreakin"
2001-04-17 21:11:02
phreakin@penguinpowered.com
Umm, this is one thread I am going to stay out of unless something off topic comes up.
#8 by "^mortis^"
2001-04-17 21:18:16
mortis@goddamnindependent.com http://www.goddamnindependent.com
yeah i immediately had the same reaction, Morn...i enlarged the screenshot and thought "wait, this is OLD news...this is Subspace", but kept reading.  

Damn, if they'd have mentioned this on April 1st, i'd be laughing; now i'm just sad.

^M^
#9 by "grey"
2001-04-17 21:20:32
#0 "Morn" wrote...
But considering that Subspace games easily handle 250+ players


From what I've seen, those 250+ people are rarely in the same arena. They may be on the same server, but not the same arena. At least not on TrenchWars (where I hang out).
#10 by "szcx"
2001-04-17 21:30:30
szcx@bersirc.com http://www.leslienassar.com/
SubSpace was a damn fine game.
#11 by "BobJustBob"
2001-04-17 21:53:09
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
Subspace is cool.

But it was published in stores. I distinctly remember seeing it at Best Buy. But I never heard of Infantry being released; last I heard they were still working on it. I guess by the time it came out, no one cared.

Oh well, if Subspace is free now I will have to get it again.
#12 by "BobJustBob"
2001-04-17 21:54:03
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
Sometimes you feel like a troll, sometimes you don't.
#13 by "Gabe"
2001-04-17 22:00:07
gakruger@hotmail.com http://www.refracted.com
Infantry is here. Don't know for sure, but given that the people that made Infantry made Sub-Space and Infantry and Cosmic Rift are both at The Station, maybe the developers of Sub-Space worked on Cosmic Rift...

-- Gabe
#14 by "Gabe"
2001-04-17 22:02:31
gakruger@hotmail.com http://www.refracted.com
Here is an interview with a developer of Cosmic Rift.

-- Gabe
#15 by "shaithis"
2001-04-17 23:00:28
chrisb@gamespy.com http://www.gamespy.com
GameSpy SUCKS! ;)

And subspace was rox0r, till they wanted money for it. Didn't have quite enough depth to be worth paying for. For the record, though, I concur with grey: I never saw anywhere near 250 people in one arena.

-shai
(and if you think we occasionally publish erroneus info, check out any mainstream publication talking about a game =)
#16 by "Morn"
2001-04-18 00:05:08
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Okay, various stuff: re 250 players, yeah, they were spread over seperate arenas, but still on one single server/in one single game. I was assuming the preview talked about servers, but maybe I'm wrong. Even then there are Subspace games/servers with roughly 100 people in a single arena (with a couple of people duelling in seperate arenas). But maybe I'm just dumb. Either way, see if I care. I just wanted to get shaithis to post again. :P

From the developer interview it sounds like CR is being developed by one of the ex-Subspace guys (although I didn't see any mention of Harmless Games). That may be a good thing. Let's try it out, shall we? :)

- Morn
#17 by "Spack"
2001-04-18 00:36:46
brian@cc.gatech.edu http://bculler.dyndns.org
<sharky> yay new pc topic
<sharky> later
#18 by "Darkseid-D!"
2001-04-18 00:48:11
Darkseid@captured.com www.sluggy.com
I think I should tell you, Im packing a chainsaw, Ill skin your ass raw.

BREAK STUFF

(like crapspy)


Ds
#19 by "mcgrew"
2001-04-18 02:17:05
myEmailAddressIsListed@theFragfest.com theFragfest.com
#2 by Morn (in Germany) "No, I'm not on drugs."
#3 by Sgt Hulka (In INdiana, USA) "Ich habe nichts, das falsch ist, über Gamespy zu sagen...."
Mierda! Que es este mierda? No, you no estoy un hispanica, estoy un americano de "Irish". Tambien Hulka. Que pasa? Este mas cervesa en mi cabesa!

#12 by BobJustBob "Sometimes you feel like a troll, sometimes you don't." Oddly enough, my wife's sister and her husband just bought a brand spanking new boat... and it has a trolling motor. We were all on the lake Saturday.

Now if THAT'S not off-topic I don't know what is!

#15 by shaithis "GameSpy SUCKS! ;)" What a strange thread...
 
"...and if you think we occasionally publish erroneus info, check out any mainstream publication talking about a game =)"

A GAME??? You mean talking about ANYTHING. I posted at my page today about Wired being "bought" (not bought, just 0wned) and how they and ZD (via Reuters) keep saying MP3s take the songs off a CD and "turn them into digital format". Duh.

Nobody's perfect.

-steve
#20 by "BobJustBob"
2001-04-18 02:39:07
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
#19 "mcgrew" wrote...
Oddly enough, my wife's sister and her husband just bought a brand spanking new boat... and it has a trolling motor. We were all on the lake Saturday.


I hate trolling motors. It's like getting in your car and idling down the highway.

Is anyone else not getting to the Harmless Games website that Morn linked to? Is it supposed to be down?
#21 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-04-18 03:13:02
warren@epicgames.com epicboy.flipcode.com
shaithis (#15):
(and if you think we occasionally publish erroneus info, check out any mainstream publication talking about a game =)

Yeah, read all about the Unreal2 engine that was on display at GDC ... or was that the Unreal Tournament 2 tech ... or maybe the Unreal Champion War ... no wait, it was the ...

#22 by "Lobo"
2001-04-18 03:24:47
pescuder@colby.edu
Subspace was, and still is, an amazing little game.

For a long while it was totally free.  Then it went retail.  Soon after, VIE decided it would be a good idea to shut down the official Subspace servers (those bastards).  The game faded into relative obscurity.  And now we've come full circle... free again.

Does anybody remember defending J12?  If the term "J12" has no relevance to you, I hate you (in a nice way).
#23 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-04-18 03:33:22
warren@epicgames.com epicboy.flipcode.com
*senses another 'remember that old game?  that game was the bestest game ever!  I still play it today!' thread*
#24 by "esad"
2001-04-18 03:37:43
toast@hotpop.com
Subspace rocked for the 2 years I played it.
Out of curiosity does anyone recognize my nick : toasty.
I was a league ref for ages.
#25 by "BobJustBob"
2001-04-18 03:38:58
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
remember Magic Carpet? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
remember Populous? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
remember Darklands? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
remember Daggerfall? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
remember Transport Tycoon? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
remember Sentinel? that game was the bestest game ever! I still play it today!
#26 by "esad"
2001-04-18 03:38:59
toast@hotpop.com
btw just noticed this in the gamespy interview, the lead programmer is Jeff Peterson or JeffP, the same man that gave us subspace.
#27 by "Russ"
2001-04-18 04:43:49
rthcowboy@mindspring.com
Remember FreeCell? That game is still the bestest game ever! I'm playing it right now! Whoopie!
#28 by "The Joker"
2001-04-18 04:48:14
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
What the fuck is it with these Jeff people, JeffD, JeffP, JeffK  Jeff(insert fucking letter here). It's so damn lame....geez...I'm going to do some snake wrestling. Later.

btw

remember Sanity? that game was so damn cool. I'll probably play it again later.

Note to scott: Jeff Hell might be your next title

Or how about Robocock?
I can see it now:

Part man, part machine, all wang. Robocock 2. This time it's personal.


Please note that I am currently having some probs with my girlfriend, which might explain some of my recent posts. Life is hell. No, wait.....hell is life. yeah that's it.

Oh and one more thing, mcgrew is ugly. period.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behavior.
- All your ass are belong to my wang, JafD! Prepare to are penetration!
#29 by "MikeCy"
2001-04-18 04:51:08
You had to see those messages coming Warren. It's almost as if you begged for them. :-)

As for GSI - Never liked em, don't really care anymore. I'm still pissed at Mpath for selling Mplayer to em. Shit happens though, what can you do?

Sgt. Hulka, bitte, sprechen Sie nur Englisch bei dieses forum, okay? Danke! Und nein, ich kann Deutsch nicht so gut sprechen, so bitte sagen Sie mir nichts weil ich weis das ich nicht recht sind.
#30 by "Russ"
2001-04-18 04:52:14
rthcowboy@mindspring.com
#19 "mcgrew" wrote...
Mierda! Que es este mierda? No, you no estoy un hispanica, estoy un americano de "Irish". Tambien Hulka. Que pasa? Este mas cervesa en mi cabesa!


¡Ay, Caramba!
I hope you learned your Spanish in the street and not in school.
#31 by "Narcopolo"
2001-04-18 05:11:32
#28 The Joker-
remember Sanity? that game was so damn cool. I'll probably play it again later.


I actually just picked it up today.  For $5 I figured how bad can it be?  I'm not particularly motivated to install it though, I have to say.
#32 by "Terata"
2001-04-18 05:21:00
jeremys@artifact-entertainment.com
Narco -- I played the demo, pretty cool actually.  Then I got to a clever puzzle and after five minutes of running around the room unsure of what to do, quit and decided not to buy it.  I hate puzzles.

The actual game portion where I was doing stuff seemed neat though.  =P
#33 by "The Joker"
2001-04-18 05:21:20
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
Narcopolo (#31):
#28 The Joker-
remember Sanity? that game was so damn cool. I'll probably play it again later.


I actually just picked it up today. For $5 I figured how bad can it be? I'm not particularly motivated to install it though, I have to say.


God, $5?? shit that's bad. well try it and let me know how you like it. i loved it. one of the best games i ever played....it actually kept me going to the end.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behavior.
- All your ass are belong to my wang, JafD! Prepare to are penetration!
#34 by "The Joker"
2001-04-18 05:24:40
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
Terata (#32):
Narco -- I played the demo, pretty cool actually. Then I got to a clever puzzle and after five minutes of running around the room unsure of what to do, quit and decided not to buy it. I hate puzzles.

The actual game portion where I was doing stuff seemed neat though. =P


Yeah, that's true there are puzzles in there some of which will keep you thinking for a long while, but it's actually fun to solve most of them, and the action and fights are so intense. wait until you meet priscilla devine narco ;)

plus I really dig the humor in Sanity. geez, those rasta accents just floored me.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behavior.
- All your ass are belong to my wang, JafD! Prepare to are penetration!
#35 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-04-18 06:25:04
warren@epicgames.com epicboy.flipcode.com
MikeCy (#29):
You had to see those messages coming Warren. It's almost as if you begged for them. :-)

Of course.  But hopefully I stemmed the flow of at least SOME of the messages that you KNOW were coming about old game nostalgia.  :)

#36 by "BobJustBob"
2001-04-18 06:32:06
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
#35 "Warren Marshall" wrote...
Of course. But hopefully I stemmed the flow of at least SOME of the messages that you KNOW were coming about old game nostalgia. :)


Mine was the best!!!
#37 by "Zachack"
2001-04-18 06:55:08
zachrounds@un-named.com
I actually just picked it up today. For $5 I figured how bad can it be? I'm not particularly motivated to install it though, I have to say.


You overpayed.  I bought it for 2$ at best buy about a month ago.  Then it decided to not work, because they never fixed the game to work with the DX8 TNT2 drivers.
#38 by "Narcopolo"
2001-04-18 07:05:18
#37 Zachack-
You overpayed. I bought it for 2$ at best buy about a month ago.


I bought "Flying Heroes" for $2 a couple weeks ago.  There's a Jefferson I'll never get back.  Man.

How much does the price affect the performance of a game for you all?  I remember all the whining, excuse me, disgruntlement with the Q3A expansion pack costing anything at all.  I enjoyed it, though it was a gift.

Buying the Universal Military Simulator II for like $55 years  after it's release has to be the low point in my game consumer history.  
#39 by "Brandon Reinhart"
2001-04-18 07:29:37
brandonr@3drealms.com http://www.3drealms.com/
I wonder if GSI is feeling the pinch now that most game companies include their own server browsers in game?  Where does the majority of GSI's income come from the web or the software?  Or just anonymous investors?
#40 by "Yotsuya"
2001-04-18 07:33:38
potvin@home.com http://www.digitalwoodchuck.com
Brandon, if you look carefully, you'll see a lot of those "in-game" browsers are just watered down verisions of Gamespy.NOLF is a perfect example of this, as are other games I have.
#41 by "esad"
2001-04-18 07:42:16
toast@hotpop.com
anyone remember black & white? that was a good game.
#42 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-04-18 07:59:34
warren@epicgames.com epicboy.flipcode.com
esad (#41):
anyone remember black & white? that was a good game.

Actually, it was a god game.
#43 by "Paparazzi"
2001-04-18 08:09:43
tom187@dingoblue.net.au
I hope they release a scenario for B&W where you can just do whatever you want, without having to worry about an overall mission, critters being kidnapped and whatnot.

I just wanna stuff around with my world.
#44 by "Iazu"
2001-04-18 08:46:39
iazu@hotmail.com www.epoch-of-unlight.com
#43 "Paparazzi" wrote...
I hope they release a scenario for B&W where you can just do whatever you want, without having to worry about an overall mission, critters being kidnapped and whatnot.

I just wanna stuff around with my world.


They are, and it's really easy to make your own too (the skirmish map files are just text files, open one up, remove the second player, and voila! Playground land!)
#45 by "Daniel Erat"
2001-04-18 08:56:33
dan_erat@pobox.com http://prtr-13.ucsc.edu/~erat/
#37, Zachack (re: Sanity):

You overpayed. I bought it for 2$ at best buy about a month ago. Then it decided to not work, because they never fixed the game to work with the DX8 TNT2 drivers.

I have you both beat.  I got it for free when I picked up No One Lives Forever from Best Buy a month ago (although I haven't gotten around to installing it yet).  The sticker price was $4.99.  I didn't bother asking the clerk if she had any talent packs to sell me or knew where I could buy some online.
#46 by "Paparazzi"
2001-04-18 08:57:19
tom187@dingoblue.net.au
Oh shweeeet.
Thanks.

/me rushes of to hax0r B&W

#47 by "Needle"
2001-04-18 09:07:23
mrklp@hotmail.com
[#39] Brandon Reinhart
Where does the majority of GSI's income come from the web or the software? Or just anonymous investors?


I'm guessing most of it comes from licensing their technology to developers.  But I know they received quite a bit in venture capital for RadioSpy a while ago too.  
#48 by "szcx"
2001-04-18 09:51:30
szcx@bersirc.com http://www.leslienassar.com/
But I know they received quite a bit in venture capital for RadioSpy a while ago too.

Didn't they burn through that capital and shitcan the entire RadioSpy group a while ago?  Or was that a scandalous lie spread by Andy, Prince of Darkness?
#49 by "Darkseid-D!"
2001-04-18 10:00:59
Darkseid@captured.com www.sluggy.com
'May impair your ability to operate machinery'


Ds
#50 by "Needle"
2001-04-18 11:01:45
mrklp@hotmail.com
[#48] szcx
Didn't they burn through that capital and shitcan the entire RadioSpy group a while ago? Or was that a scandalous lie spread by Andy, Prince of Darkness?


It appears to be true.  This letter from Surfas on the RadioSpy site explains it, sort of.  Although he claims to have "never taken any venture capital" in the letter, I could swear I read an article somewhere, maybe even here on PC, about GSI receiving a few million from Michael Ovitz.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else.  I can't really remember, to be honest.  
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