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Behind the eFront
March 9th 2001, 11:53 CET by Morn
Ouch! <a href="http://www.efront.com/about.shtml">eFront Media, Inc.</a>, the guys hosting and marketing such fine sites as <a href="http://www.somethingawful.com">Something Awful</a> and <a href="http://www.betanews.com">BetaNews</a>, should be worried about either their network security (<a href="http://www.sharesniffer.com">ShareSniffer</a> anyone? Coming to a PC thread near you soon!) or staff loyalty. Either way, they're probably not too happy about the fact that apparently everyone is having a good laugh (or not) reading <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ab5/efront/">these leaked (?) logs</a> of ICQ conversations between three eFront bigwigs (Sam Jain, CEO; Will Bryant and Jonathan Roy of Acquisitions).
I'm not going to quote them here, but I recommend reading through them (while they're still up -- I already feel the ground shaking because of the impending lawyer stampede). It's a lot of material, but some parts of it are simply wonderfully entertaining (or rather worrying). <a href="http://www.lumthemad.net/news/1798.php">Lum the Mad</a>, who scooped us all with this, has some highlights (and already some healthy discussion going on). Thanks everyone who sent this in, too.
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|Wow, talk about shady stuff (allegedly).|
A couple of random thoughts:
I really want to know how those logs were leaked. I can't imagine someone just "stole" them. What the heck happened?
Are there any companies out there where the people in charge are not complete m0m0s?
I wonder what eFront hosted sites webmasters think about this.
|There's far too much business shenanigannery in this scene of late. I'm steering well clear of this.|
Are there any companies out there where the people in charge are not complete m0m0s?
*thinks harder, space-brain recoils in horror*
Nope. Definitely not.
|Wow, that's some pretty tasty stuff. The comments about Penny Arcade are fairly spicy, I'd love to quote bits and pieces in here, but something tells me that would be stupid. I'd also like to know how the fuck people managed to get their hands on this, and just how many laws they're breaking by posting it.|
bryant 11/12/20 12:22 pm re: SomethingAwful.com
Lowtax (ICQ#19629905) Wrote:
My site's down *again*
|Lowtax has some good (and not angry at all :D ) comments in the LtM thread about the topic.|
Wow, after reading all of those transcripts I am a bit shocked. Those guys are slimey, greedy bastards.
I'll bet a million dollars it was those "kids", they have so much wonderful things to say about, that leaked this stuff.
Quite a bomb-shell.
I actually talked with these guys a while back and decided pretty quickly they were slime balls. I did get them to send me a contract that I could laugh at though.
They were offering just a flat # of shares in a company with no indication of the total # of shares the company would be offering. For further amusement I even talked to the CEO on the phone and he must have said "vertical marketplace" to me 20 times in the span of 10 minutes.
Then I asked him share dilution and a few really simple stock questions. They danced for a few days offering nothing and then gave up.
I'm familiar with the guys in those logs, I dont have any doubt that it is real.
Holy shit those logs rock!!!!
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am if we get SA on our side, then PA ranting will
seem like its their fault
sam 20/02/20 7:44 am iBLAMEj00: (3:44 PM) But he couldn't accept
not getting paid for back months.
sam 20/02/20 7:44 am iBLAMEj00: (3:44 PM) And then he mumbled
something about having to sell his Lexus.
Lets just say there are very easy ways to get @ icq history files........ (some of which you can do even if the machine isnt trojan compromised)
also sounds very much like these guys are marketroids and have zippity clue about the.. shall we say .. technical aspects, can you say Sniffit or BackOrifice?
Whenever 'commercialisation' hits a scene, the scene gets a huge amount of popularity then gets fucked over by the money men.... parallels with any recent fad anyone ... eg snowboarding scene...
New IQC log:
#1 - we've just been raped all over the internet.
#2 - don't worry, i'm searching JuniorLawer.net for a C&D that'll cover everyone on the planet.
I notice the Quote of the Nanosecond is back, Morn. I was gonna suggest putting it in the pirate's speech bubble, how about just makin him dance when you put the mouse over him ? Pleeeaaaase ? And when're you gonna add a link to let us go from viewing only the new comments to viewing all comment à la PC3 ?
Shenanigannery? There is just no goddamn way that's a word.
Aren't PA and SA still hosted by these guys? Or did either/both of them walk?
|The logs just disappeared from Angelfire. Anybody get copies . . . the first 3 are in my browser cache.|
|Doh, I only got to number 6 before they vanished.|
I really want to know how those logs were leaked. I can't imagine someone just "stole" them. What the heck happened?
If one of those tools just left his PC on and went out to lunch and didn't have it password protected, an irritated employee could have done it in a few minutes. How long does it take to cut and paste from a history log, save it to a file, and save it to a floppy? ICQ's handy that way. You don't need to search through someone's email to find pertinent messages. Just grab the history file.
(OT) Morn: I think you need a top link or the entire menu at the end of the page with this design as well. 8)
I've got all the logs, baby!
Joker : so what's keeping you from posting them ?
|Joker, yeah, post them all here, one per message. (-:|
|There are plenty of tools for screwing around with ICQ, tapping in's the easy bit. Knowing when that tha hard part.|
ICQ History Log For:
Started on Tue Mar 06 15:36:21 2001
sam 24/11/20 3:11 am im looking at different sites toassignto acq
ppl for ad sales.. which ones would u prefer
bryant 25/11/20 6:04 am Sports and Gaming come to mind. I'd say Mens
General, Fashion and similar as well except I
don't know if we have any.
sam 25/11/20 6:07 am do you have any special sites that you'd like
to pick you know you can do great on
sam 25/11/20 6:07 am i think jon wants rpgamer and squaregamer :)
bryant 25/11/20 6:08 am Heh. Actually if I can keep out of gaming
I'll be happy, but I suspect I can still
leverage old contacts so I'm not looking to
avoid it. Let me look around the different
channels this afternoon and I'll see if I can
eyeball a few sites that have decent size and
substance that I think I can work well.
sam 25/11/20 6:09 am ok great
sam 27/11/20 12:39 pm any luck on the sites?
bryant 09/12/20 11:19 am Kevin Jenkins at MPOG isn't lazy. He's put
every campaign up on time or faster and has
never once complained openly or not. Yet he's
extremely frustrated and angry right now.
sam 09/12/20 11:21 am well not every one.. but a majority refuse to
sam 09/12/20 11:22 am so what is he frustrated about
bryant 09/12/20 11:22 am We should directly and harshly penalize those
that don't. I don't think we need to reward
the ones that do - but I think they should be
sam 09/12/20 11:23 am i dont think we treat them badly?
bryant 09/12/20 11:23 am The communication that's come down in the past
week. How it's been handled. Nothing is
concise or to the point. I can forward his
email if you like.
bryant 09/12/20 11:23 am Many of them do feel mistreated right now. A
lot feel like they're being openly threatened
bryant 09/12/20 11:23 am I'm not on "their side" here. Just telling
you what we're running into down in the
trenches on this.
sam 09/12/20 11:24 am sure..feedback is always good so we can let
our WRC's have better diplomatic communication
bryant 09/12/20 11:27 am Sent. That email is mild and diplomatic
compared to what we're getting today. The
main problems seem to be that they want
directives to be straight and to the point.
Not one of them has argued with me the merits
of putting the campaign up - it's all been
about the delivery.
sam 09/12/20 11:27 am thats funny
sam 09/12/20 11:28 am well, sure.. but 90% of the webmasters arent
cooperating with direct and to the point
sam 09/12/20 11:28 am so i think g3 took this approach to create
rapport with the webmasters
sam 09/12/20 11:28 am and build realtions
sam 09/12/20 11:28 am you cant please everyone.. i think he's trying
to build a relationship and communication and
sam 09/12/20 11:29 am perhaps one solution is to divided the
webmasters into 3 groups
bryant 09/12/20 11:29 am It seems to be doing the opposite. I just had
an hour long call with a webmaster who spent
the time venting about his approach.
bryant 09/12/20 11:29 am You're right though, you can't make everyone
sam 09/12/20 11:29 am 1. who like direct and to the point
sam 09/12/20 11:29 am 2. who like to be "babied" w/ video, etc.
sam 09/12/20 11:29 am 3. who need to be threatened
bryant 09/12/20 11:29 am Heh.
sam 09/12/20 11:30 am i think he should make a list and treat them
accordingly :) ill talk to him bout that
sam 09/12/20 11:30 am which webmaster was venting :)
bryant 09/12/20 11:30 am I'm sure you all have gone around and around
over this. I guess my approach would have to
be short and sweet, then those that don't
cooperate get the campaigns inserted by us and
we fine them some good % for it.
sam 09/12/20 11:30 am personally, i wouldnt do the video stuff.. i
think his stuff is hilarious.. but its getting
their attention :)
sam 09/12/20 11:30 am yeah..thats the other approach we need to take
also.. we talked about this yesetrday
sam 09/12/20 11:31 am have an in-house team do it w/ those who dont
cooperate ..and delay their payment
sam 09/12/20 11:31 am until they do cooperate
bryant 09/12/20 11:31 am I don't think there's any downside there
except the energy we have to espend to cover
the slackers. But noone can fault us for
doing so and fining the ones that don't
comply. They all know what the climate is out
there, and what we have to do to monetize.
bryant 09/12/20 11:32 am eXpend rather.
sam 09/12/20 11:32 am i read kevin's email..he does have a point..
mass emails are bad.. i hate doing mass emails
bryant 09/12/20 11:32 am These campaigns are how they get paid. They
don't do their job and help roll out the
campaign, they don't get paid, or at least
don't get paid 100%.
bryant 09/12/20 11:35 am Anyway, all just food for thought. We'll
figure out what's the best way to do this.
I'm in my 14th hour - so calling it a day.
Couple RFPs out btw, nothing that will have us
swimming in cash - but I'll let you know what
kind of responses we get back. Every little
bryant 09/12/20 11:35 am Oh and Reviewboard has agreed to close. I
know you liked what you saw of them.
bryant 09/12/20 11:36 am BTW - last thought. One thing brought up by
another webmaster today was the notion of a
webmaster congress of sorts where they have a
unified body (and thus a representative) to
relay concerns, their voice, etc. How would
you feel about that?
sam 09/12/20 11:37 am union! eww
bryant 09/12/20 11:37 am Heh.
sam 09/12/20 11:37 am i just fwd: that email to g3 and cc'd you guys
bryant 09/12/20 11:37 am Can see lots of pitfalls, might also be a way
the webmasters police themselves and deal with
slackers. Don't know.
sam 09/12/20 11:38 am yeah, we always wanted an in-house webmasters
advocate.. that was david woodruff at one
point.. its not a bad idea
bryant 09/12/20 11:38 am It's easy in the Marines, the platoon takes
care of the problem child and everything goes
sam 09/12/20 11:38 am heh.. maybe we need to setup a platoon and
brigade per category or area?
sam 09/12/20 11:38 am we're alrready starting that.. asia
webmasters, europe, usa gaming, usa general
sam 09/12/20 11:39 am maybe better to get one of their own to be the
sam 09/12/20 11:39 am for 5 to 10 sites at a time.. i dunno
sam 09/12/20 11:39 am but lets start by getting g3 going in the
right direction first
bryant 09/12/20 11:39 am Maybe a little bit of both, I don't know.
It's a concept though. And might help them
bryant 09/12/20 11:39 am TOTALLY agree there. =)
bryant 09/12/20 11:39 am I'm out. Have a good weekend. Will be around
if anything comes up.
sam 09/12/20 11:39 am ok cya
bryant 09/12/20 11:49 am Amazing news on CNet lady btw.
sam 09/12/20 11:50 am yeah thats great.. she needs all the info u
guys were asking for though, and more..
demographic surveys, target audience, etc.
sam 09/12/20 11:50 am of course, proof still has to be in the
pudding.. im not too excitd until we see money
flowing in the bank :)
bryant 09/12/20 11:51 am No, I'm the same way. But that's definitely
encouraging. Let me talk to Jon about the ad
bullets. Maybe there's a way to streamline
that. I've been spending time recently
looking at media kits of our competitors, so
at least we have an idea of what is needed at
the base level.
sam 09/12/20 11:52 am yeah.. we just need to concentrate on the
online media kits too.. she doesnt even use
offline media kits. something nice online
would be awesome.. of course, having our
webguide and better navigation (dynamic) links
on the inside efront part to let
advertisers/ppl navigate efront would help
tremendously.. we need more programming
resources for that though..we're backed up:(
bryant 09/12/20 11:53 am Actually all the ones I've been eyeballing
have been online. I think that's more or less
the standard these days.
sam 09/12/20 11:58 am ive been talking to the maxpc sales guys.. and
know their entire cycle, figures, etc. pretty
for the number of sales ppl we have (4)..we're
not doing that bad in total revenues per
head.. we need to increase that to 10-15 sales
aug: 160k, sept: 320k, oct: 260k, nov: 1.7mil
aug: 3 ppl, sept: 4 ppl, oct: 4 ppl, nov: 4
we also have chris -- who is setting up local
salespartnerships ($0 yet)
and brad - who moved from dennis's biz dev
group to sales recently..who isnt counted in
sam 09/12/20 11:59 am brad has a $35 cpm deal for 2 mil imps in the
gaming channel for 70k..that was pitched in
person today and they were enthusiastic.. he's
saying he'll get it signed monday.. we'll see
bryant 09/12/20 12:00 pm Heh, well sure - now I feel like a punk with
my little $15k RFPs here and there. j/k
sam 09/12/20 12:01 pm everything helps.. heck, if after rampup you
can pull in 50k/month consistenly.. thats
sam 09/12/20 12:01 pm sometimes ppl forget to pay the bills..they
try to go for homeruns.. ilike lot of smaller
deals coming in too .. someone's gotta pay the
bryant 09/12/20 12:03 pm No, I agree - was just joking. I want to
develop a relationship with EA, we do that
even at a low level and it can turn into
something that rolls at a higher.
sam 09/12/20 12:05 pm oh is this for EA? great.. i know mike murphy
tried to do something w/ them for skinz and
stuff in october but that didnt go through
bryant 09/12/20 12:07 pm Yeah. Still have some good entrenched
contacts over there. We're going to try and
start with a campaign for a Wes Craven (or was
it Clive Barker) game called "Undying" and
possibly "American McGee's Alice". If we get
those and it goes well, they're interested in
rolling campaigns across their different
departments, and are acutely interested in our
capacity to serve their commericals via
streaming FMV ads down the road.
sam 09/12/20 12:07 pm hey.. Rad is availalbe this weekend to work on
the online media kit.. should we brainstorm
and give him a spec and layout/etc?
that would be awesome to get that done this
weekend..because we have maxpc guys strting
next week .. i can get him into the loop as
bryant 09/12/20 12:08 pm Yeah. I have a couple quick links I can shoot
somewhere as at least a reference.
bryant 09/12/20 12:08 pm Obviously the sooner we get that up the easier
life is on a lot of fronts. Certainly
especially Ms.CNet, but also on the grassroots
pursuits as well.
bryant 11/12/20 12:22 pm re: SomethingAwful.com
Lowtax (ICQ#19629905) Wrote:
My site's down *again*
sam 11/12/20 12:23 pm yeah matt is at globalcenter moving servers
around i think
sam 17/12/20 9:20 am hey Will.. what were the terms of the RB deal
sam 17/12/20 10:10 am Are you there? Need to talk
bryant 17/12/20 10:27 am Hey, just walked back in. What's up?
bryant 17/12/20 10:28 am I can shoot you the last version of the RB
contract if you like?
bryant 17/12/20 10:29 am Basic concept is $14k and a normal amount of
stock. No wacky clauses except he was still
going to get his stock (based upon the
existing vesting schedule) if we terminated
bryant 17/12/20 10:32 am Where we are with RB right now is his mom (a
lawyer) wants to add some meat to the
contract. Just simply specify some things
that are implied and meant, just not spelled
out. I warned Phil (the owner) about it all
falling apart if new terms were introduced -
so he's actually working on our behalf to a
certain degree to reel his mom in.
sam 17/12/20 11:20 am hey Will are you there
bryant 17/12/20 11:47 am Sure am.
sam 17/12/20 11:49 am Been talking to Roy. I'm sure he's filled you
in on the direction we need to head down for
the near term. The ad market's much tighter..
not much low hanging fruits out there and we
really have to work for our keep now :) Which
means more resources towards the area and
scaling back on untargeted RON acqs for
pageview growth somewhat until we can fully
monetize our assets.
bryant 17/12/20 11:50 am Yeah, we've been talking about that.
Completely agree there.
bryant 17/12/20 11:50 am Any acqs right now should probably be
something like breastfeeding.com and not
anycrapgames.com, etc. I'm actually pretty
excited to hear we can support regional ad
sales. Going to see if I can work Jax and
sam 17/12/20 11:51 am yup.. we have chris higgins doing local sales
bryant 17/12/20 11:51 am Or perhaps OH/FL - we'll see how that plays
bryant 17/12/20 11:51 am Great, I'll touch base with him Monday.
sam 17/12/20 11:52 am That means we have to get more exp. sales ppl
(we're starting to do that here) and cut back
on other resources. I bounced this off of roy
already and want to bounce this off of you.
Basically, streamlining our ops in the office.
We let jason go few weeks ago; basically he
was unprodcutive. Brad pulled in a 60k sale
(30 cpm).. so he's starting to kick up.
sam 17/12/20 11:54 am On your side, I wanted to talk about sharon;
it might be in her and our best interest to
part because of our immediate needs. I know
she tried very hard and was dedicated on the
acq. side. I'd like to get your thoughts on
* Let her know about our direction
* Pay her through the end of the year.
* Vest her 5000 options immediately (and waive
the excercise clause of 30 days to 1 year or
bryant 17/12/20 11:55 am I think that's both reasonable and fair.
Certainly it addresses our needs, and between
us I see that as an approprite opportunity to
sam 17/12/20 11:55 am Trying to allocate more funds on the sales
side and with you doing Sales and Roy helping
out more on the traffic side, we also have
Lloyd coming on board for tech sales and
Monique as well (cnet)
sam 17/12/20 11:56 am Since you're her immediate supervisor there,
would you like to talk to her or do you feel
it would be better for me to do so?
bryant 17/12/20 11:56 am I think I would rather if that's okay with
sam 17/12/20 11:56 am That's fine; that's why I approached you
first. It's a touchy subject obviously and I
want to make sure we do it right.
bryant 17/12/20 11:57 am Absolutely, agree 100%. I think handled the
right way she can see it as a positive. I
know what drives Sharon, and she may well come
out of this without any negative feelings.
bryant 17/12/20 11:58 am It's never a real positive - but variables
allow it to be as non-negative as possible.
sam 17/12/20 11:58 am Right, and we'll do whatever we need on our
side. including the option stuff -- she
bryant 17/12/20 11:58 am I'll talk to her this weekend.
bryant 17/12/20 11:58 am Is it safe to assume we (Jon, myself, Brian)
should continue to pursue clear revenue
sam 17/12/20 11:58 am okay thanks. let me know and i'll let mike
frue get the paperwork in writing (with the
options, etc.) so she's secure.
sam 17/12/20 11:58 am yes
bryant 17/12/20 11:59 am OK, I'll make that secondary to ads right now.
Have a few leads, going to put some of the
quality ROI types in a holding pattern.
sam 17/12/20 11:59 am our big push is revenues now.. i'd like to
spit out 20% of our revenues and put it in the
bank as a cushion
bryant 17/12/20 11:59 am That may or may not include RB, when I get
their contract I'll talk to you and/or Jerry
sam 17/12/20 11:59 am who knows how long this market will last
sam 17/12/20 12:00 pm okay. I think RB can get us alot of
storerunner (ecomm) revenues, no?
sam 17/12/20 12:00 pm with every review essentially.. al ink..
bryant 17/12/20 12:00 pm It can't last like this forever. I'm no
analyst but I don't see how it can't start to
strengthem in the new year.
bryant 17/12/20 12:00 pm Absolutely it will.
sam 17/12/20 12:00 pm do you know how many daily visitors he gets?
sam 17/12/20 12:00 pm thats a very good indication of conversino on
the srunner links
bryant 17/12/20 12:01 pm uniques? Not off the top of my head, but I'll
find out. He's an odd one. 22MM PVs 1/00,
650k when I started talking to him. 3.5-4MM
now, with a clause in the contract that he has
to hit 7MM within 90 days. At his current
growth rate, he should more be around 10MM
sam 17/12/20 12:02 pm wow.. from 22mm to 3 mil huh.. what happened
bryant 17/12/20 12:02 pm Botched acqs process that lasted 5 months with
a company overseas. They just wanted his
bryant 17/12/20 12:03 pm The upside there for us is that he's growing
at an unprecedented rate, so we effectively
get a 20MM site (if/when it returns to that)
on a 7MM contract structure.
sam 17/12/20 12:03 pm ok..
let's say we get $1 cpm.. that 7k
and if we can get 7k on storerunner.. which is
70,000 clicks a month.. which is 2000 a day
sam 17/12/20 12:04 pm do you think he can generate that? if so, or
if we could get him to somehow do it
sam 17/12/20 12:04 pm then we can sign :)
sam 17/12/20 12:04 pm because storerunner for us is very short
payment terms.. helps with cashflow alot
bryant 17/12/20 12:05 pm He is very easy to work with, which is a
quality I look for in acqs targets these days
to be honest. I don't know what a common CTR
is on Storerunner, but I don't think there's
any question his would be amongst the higher
sam 17/12/20 12:05 pm i know!! no more kids
sam 17/12/20 12:05 pm i think we all learned alot
bryant 17/12/20 12:06 pm Hell, we may be able to get him on board with
SR even if he doesn't sign. Don't know how
that might work, maybe some sort of payment to
him... Just a "what if" contingency.
sam 17/12/20 12:06 pm good idea.. maybe even try to get it to him
now.. 'test of his traffic' as an excuse or
bryant 17/12/20 12:07 pm Yeah, even some of the non-kids are pretty
confusing. I try to keep them docile (the
ones that vent towards me), but in a few
particular cases it's increasingly difficult
to understand that level of rage coming from
someone who works about an hour a day for an
above average (according to US gross
bryant 17/12/20 12:08 pm I'll talk to him on Monday. He's actually
anxious to get aboard with us, it's his
partners (damn Carter administration lawyer)
and his mother that are slowing us down.
sam 17/12/20 12:08 pm yeah i know.. well, guess what? im going
through the webmaster sites, payments, etc.
right now.. starting with the ones who arent
cooperating, im kicking them out..
bryant 17/12/20 12:08 pm So SR now as opposed to later may well be
feasible with him.
sam 17/12/20 12:08 pm that sounds good
sam 17/12/20 12:08 pm to start off the relationship.. so we can
gauge the return too
bryant 17/12/20 12:09 pm I can't say anything but 'good' to that. I
look forward to hearing from some of them how
much worse the grass is on the other side of
sam 17/12/20 12:09 pm if you have any leads on ones who arent
cooperating or wahtever, let me know
bryant 17/12/20 12:09 pm Particularly with the impending demise of the
GameSPYs and UGOs.
sam 17/12/20 12:09 pm yeah
bryant 17/12/20 12:10 pm Will do. The danger I guess here is confusing
"angry and vocal" with "uncooperative". Some
are both, but a few are just one or the other.
I'll sit down with Jo and Sharon this weekend
and compare notes on the reactions we had to
the SR rollout.
sam 17/12/20 12:11 pm yeah..true.. of course, we wont do anything
to shoot ourselves in the foot.. evaluating
them on a one by one basis
like themeheaven has a 24x7 banner next to
ours.. well u know his payment will be delayed
bryant 17/12/20 12:11 pm It goes without saying I think that anyone who
still doesn't have the channelguide up by the
1st is clearly uncooperative. =)
bryant 17/12/20 12:11 pm Heh, yeah - that can't fly. Especially as we
ramp up sales.
sam 17/12/20 12:12 pm well we're changing our coutning using the
webguide now.. so it shoots them :)
sam 17/12/20 12:12 pm we'll be reasonable but firm :)
bryant 17/12/20 12:12 pm Yeah, I heard. Came across more than a few
frantically getting it up on every page.
Noone can fault 'reasonable but firm'.
sam 17/12/20 12:13 pm heh
bryant 17/12/20 12:13 pm Anyway - I better get running here. Meds are
running out so starting to feel like hell.
Good chatting with you. I'll follow up with
you and Mike after I talk to Sharon.
sam 17/12/20 12:14 pm still sick? geez:) ok..thanks..cya
bryant 17/12/20 12:15 pm Yeah, it's not getting much better. Constant
tests, and a 'spot' in one lung. Probably
nothing, but man - I better be getting
normal/well again soon. Just about sick of
being cooped up in the house 24/7. Then
again, it does allow for a whole new level of
focus on the work at hand. =)
bryant 17/12/20 12:15 pm Later.
sam 18/12/20 12:32 am probably too late to change the terms on RB
bryant 18/12/20 1:07 am May not be. Want to do it by a different
sam 18/12/20 1:07 am just wondering.. maybe daily visitors
sam 27/12/20 9:54 am hey how's it going
sam 27/12/20 12:57 pm iBLAMEj00 (ICQ#8906076) Wrote:
But you pay webmasters by page views instead
of unique visitors; it would be best if you
did by unique visitors.
[even tim agrees we should pay webmasters per
unique users, not pageviews. our sites get
low ctr% and are too sticky -- bad for
advertising (in general)]
sam 28/12/20 8:34 am hey Will .. are you there
bryant 28/12/20 9:30 am Am now - what's up?
sam 28/12/20 9:38 am Hey .. just wanted to tell you that we'll be
delaying our payroll as I mentioned before
this week unfortunately :
bryant 28/12/20 9:38 am np - how long?
sam 28/12/20 9:39 am i would say 7 to 10 days at most.. About.com
owes us 200k but it looks like they're going
to play games with us.. speedyclick should be
giving us 200k next week as well..
bryant 28/12/20 9:40 am Cool - we can make things stretch that long
bryant 28/12/20 9:44 am Hey, Moviehit.com just called me. We haven't
moved them over yet (closed 3-4 weeks ago) and
they lose their hosting tomorrow. The ball
was rolling with Nate to move them, but he's
on vacation now. So they're looking for us to
pay their hosting bill so they don't go dead
bryant 28/12/20 9:45 am (They're (moviehit) telling me Nate is on
vacation) - don't know if that's true or not.
bryant 28/12/20 9:45 am What should I tell them?
bryant 28/12/20 9:45 am Obviously we're not excited about dropping
$1540 on hosting for them if we're delaying
sam 28/12/20 9:46 am nate is in Dc yeah
sam 28/12/20 9:46 am why are they dropping their hosting
sam 28/12/20 9:47 am can we tell them that it will be delayed until
we have more serveres
sam 28/12/20 9:47 am and we don't have our banners on their site
yet do we
bryant 28/12/20 9:47 am They've been taking a loss every month, are
basically out of money.
sam 28/12/20 9:47 am oh really.. and we're still paying them 2cpm +
bryant 28/12/20 9:48 am Yeah, but the scale is much lower than 2cpm.
bryant 28/12/20 9:49 am They're a flopped startup with a lot of
promise basically. They burnt through their
cash. The loss they''ve been taking was due
to their startup costs, not standard operating
sam 28/12/20 9:49 am maybe we can use this oppty to renegotiate a
better deal? or nah? :)
sam 28/12/20 9:49 am how do u mean scale is much lower
bryant 28/12/20 9:50 am Scale is like a 1cpm or less I think.
sam 28/12/20 9:50 am really?
sam 28/12/20 9:50 am thats ncie.. i thought it was 2
bryant 28/12/20 9:50 am I thought so, lemme check.
bryant 28/12/20 9:52 am 1500.00 for every 1750k PVs mo. So less than
bryant 28/12/20 9:53 am Anyway, they're still on the phone with me.
They're saying Nate gave them a timeline and
that's why they cancelled their hosting.
sam 28/12/20 9:54 am hm.. can they keep it alive for another 30
sam 28/12/20 9:54 am we're in the midst of a move from CAIS to
bryant 28/12/20 10:00 am I think we're covered. THey're going to see
about some sort of temporary solution with
their old provider.
sam 28/12/20 10:01 am sounds good :)
bryant 28/12/20 10:05 am Hey, have had a couple webmasters ask about
the availability of the horizontal navbar.
Any word on when that's going to be ready?
sam 28/12/20 10:06 am yeah.. waiting on nate.. but that will only be
available in areas where they cant absolutely
use the vertical
bryant 28/12/20 10:07 am Penny-Arcade is wondering if they can put the
vert navbar on the left too, below their nav
buttons on the new design. It's below the
fold, but right in the meat of their content.
Thoughts? It would be above the fold on the
strip pages which is both the bulk of their
traffic and their largedst exit pages.
sam 04/01/20 2:01 pm hey Will.. how are the ad sales efforts going
bryant 04/01/20 3:54 pm Haven't made just tons of headway. I've
received a bunch of materials from Chris and
have followed up with the existing RFP that I
have out - but haven't really started pursuing
much beyond some gaming contact leads I have
yet. 'More' being local sales and the like.
I haven't made a clean break from acqs at all,
in fact there are some big sites I'm trying to
reorganize to fit our newer needs and see if
we can get them in with the new structure.
bryant 04/01/20 3:56 pm It's a juggling act and I just have more acqs
balls up at the moment than sales, but I think
I'm on the cusp of being able to divert more
time towards the sales. Managed to track down
point of contacts for some of the more
significant 'localized' companies I think
might be interested in regional sales - so
hoping to start cold calling them this
sam 04/01/20 11:17 pm sure.. we're getting burned bigtime on
page-view counting.. we need to do
acquisitinos by daily visitor counting..
pageview is an artificial indication of
traffic. also, just fyi, i did all the
original acquisitions (30).. and all those
are/were 1year deal.. they're due up now.. and
its saved us 90%.. the 3 year was an idea
whose time has come to pass..its an eternity..
i'd like to also go back to doing one year
deals (vest their shares and case over one
bryant 04/01/20 11:46 pm Sounds good on the one year, I don't see that
being an issue with people at all. In terms
of daily visitor counting, I haven't run into
anyone yet that has really balked at that -
and to be honest, it might help the acqs
process. Webmasters are used to talking PVs
and CPMs - start talking visitors with them
and we've taken them out of their comfort zone
in terms of what they think they should
sam 04/01/20 11:47 pm i know :)
sam 04/01/20 11:48 pm and in this market, 1 year and that would be
alot more efficient.. now to just get our revs
sam 04/01/20 11:48 pm btw, do u know marc? matt said he was looking
for another job or something
sam 04/01/20 11:48 pm if u know him, can u talk to him see whats
going on. we'd like to keep him
bryant 04/01/20 11:48 pm Marc Frank? Yeah, know him well.
bryant 04/01/20 11:48 pm Will do. We talk just about every day.
sam 04/01/20 11:49 pm i know 3 ppl in the office needed rent $ and
we cut them checks for it
sam 04/01/20 11:49 pm and nate asked about marc needing $ for check
or something, i said not a problem of course
sam 04/01/20 11:49 pm and yesterday matt said he was looking for
another job cuz he was getting evicted or
sam 04/01/20 11:49 pm btw, our money is being wired today so we
should be set
bryant 04/01/20 11:49 pm Hmm, yeah - I'll definitely talk to him today.
sam 04/01/20 11:51 pm thanks!
bryant 04/01/20 11:51 pm No problem - would hate to see Marc leave!
sam 04/01/20 11:51 pm im sure we'll be able to have him stay
sam 04/01/20 11:52 pm i thought nate was going to talk to victoria
to get a check over to him.. guess that didnt
bryant 04/01/20 11:52 pm I am too to be honest. He would have let me
know if he was serious about leaving.
sam 04/01/20 11:54 pm ok :) everything else is starting to look
good. working on a big deal w/ excite right
now.. getting our european arm going so they
can take over that inventory.. im still
distressed over our ad sales effort.. geting
worse.. i moved 2 ppl around to our biz dev
and have a new vp of biz dev (worklife
founder).. and they're pitching our b2b
solutions to portals now
bryant 04/01/20 11:55 pm New sales guru (cnet lady) working out well?
sam 04/01/20 11:56 pm she doesnt start till the 15th.. im concerned
about her though.. she was distressed that we
didnt take credit cards.. and she didnt want
to have a 100k/month quota.. 60k/month was
what she wanted to start out w/
sam 04/01/20 11:56 pm sales ppl bs
sam 04/01/20 11:56 pm so we'll see how it goes
bryant 04/01/20 11:56 pm Yeah - they do seem to share a common trait
sam 04/01/20 11:56 pm i mean who takes credit card payments for ad
sam 04/01/20 11:56 pm she said most of her clients
sam 04/01/20 11:57 pm like.. are they small clients? she said her
clients put it on their biz card
sam 04/01/20 11:57 pm weird..
bryant 04/01/20 11:57 pm No kidding, I've never heard of that. With
the one exception of google.com who has a link
"instant advertising with a credit card".
bryant 04/01/20 11:57 pm Which is sort of cool, but I wonder if anyone
has ever used it?
sam 05/01/20 12:03 am ya..not sure.. http://18.104.22.168/
new automotive hub.. if excite buys off on it,
then we might need to buy auto sites to
backfill the inventory
sam 14/01/20 1:33 am your check amount is 'net' ..meaning taxes
have already been taken out
bryant 14/01/20 1:35 am Yeah, we saw that. It's just a different
amount than what normally gets deposited each
pay period. We were just confused.
sam 14/01/20 1:35 am really? how much is it off by
bryant 14/01/20 1:35 am May be a moot point, our bank isn't going to
let us deposit the check in my account.
bryant 14/01/20 1:36 am Mine is off $218.43, Jo's is off $53.54.
sam 14/01/20 1:36 am i told victoria to wire it to every1 friday
but she said the wiring deadline was 2 (it was
3).. any other way we can get the money out to
sam 14/01/20 1:36 am can you sign on the back as DBA Will Bryant
sam 14/01/20 1:37 am or "for deposit only payable to will bryant
and sign underneath"
bryant 14/01/20 1:37 am I don't think so. It's not the end of the
world though. We're scrambling right now to
see if we can get a GMX account open down here
so that we can just xfer the money into our
sam 14/01/20 1:37 am i used to do that all the time
bryant 14/01/20 1:37 am Yeah, we tried all that. Damn banks won't let
any of that slide.
sam 14/01/20 1:37 am :( i wonder how victoria made that mistake
bryant 14/01/20 1:37 am Actually, we might be cool. Jo's heading out
to try and open a biz account now.
sam 14/01/20 1:38 am i coudl wesetern union the funds or
something.. monday is bank holiday so no wires
allowed then either
bryant 14/01/20 1:38 am She's had a lot riding on her - I don't have
any hard feelings towards anyone. It happens.
sam 14/01/20 1:39 am yeah.. we were short.. all the $ didnt come
in.. so i had an idea.. to net it out.. and
then we'd pay the taxes next week.. and i told
her to do that.. she went through adp and
figured out everyone's nets
bryant 14/01/20 1:39 am re: Western Union - whatever you think is
best. I wouldn't care at all about waiting
until next week, but we're going to get hit
with some serious penalties with the mortgage
bryant 14/01/20 1:39 am Heh, that's a good idea. =)
sam 14/01/20 1:39 am i know :) she was like huh.. what u cant do
i said yes you dcan :)
sam 14/01/20 1:40 am how much penalty?
bryant 14/01/20 1:40 am If the bank lets us open this biz account
bryant 14/01/20 1:40 am Can get the mortgage in and everything.
sam 14/01/20 1:40 am ok.. hopefully they should.. do u have
bryant 14/01/20 1:40 am Yeah. Just had to type up a few quick "board
bryant 14/01/20 1:40 am Have everything else.
sam 14/01/20 1:40 am heh been there done that :p
sam 14/01/20 1:41 am was roy's check send to u?
bryant 14/01/20 1:41 am Anyway, thanks for asking about it. Hopefully
the 'crisis' has been diverted. If the bank
gives us a problem I'll let you know to see if
we can find another solution.
bryant 14/01/20 1:41 am Yeah it was - I'm priority mailing it to him
sam 14/01/20 1:41 am sure no problem
sam 14/01/20 1:41 am thanks for sticking it out.. kinda rough week
bryant 14/01/20 1:43 am We're all in this for the long haul and for
the company. eFront is preferable to
something a little more secure but not as
exciting. Will make it that much better when
we come out the other side. =)
sam 14/01/20 1:44 am yeah i know :) ill fwd you a good news email..
hopefully something comes out of it
bryant 14/01/20 1:44 am Great!
bryant 14/01/20 1:44 am Hey, did Jon send you that gamers.com article
re: UGO and its affiliates?
sam 14/01/20 1:45 am yeah he did..
bryant 14/01/20 1:45 am Woops. Jo says I have to go with to open this
thing. I'm off. Will talk to you later.
sam 14/01/20 1:45 am k talk to u later
bryant 14/01/20 4:39 am FYI
Lowtax (ICQ#19629905) Wrote:
Will, I'm probably going to be giving up SA.
I can't wait until February to be paid, and
I'm sick to death of all this network crap and
never knowing if I'll have enough money to pay
rent at the end of the month. I'm broke and I
can't take this any more..
sam 14/01/20 4:42 am have hiim send an email to g3 outlining his
needs .. g3 is collecting all of those and
we'll be allocating some funds to take care of
the webmasters who are struggling
bryant 14/01/20 4:42 am Will do.
sam 14/01/20 5:11 am in the recap email g3 is sending out monday,
he's going to remind every1 of their
sam 14/01/20 5:11 am i mean if infospace sees stuff like that, we
wont get any funding
sam 14/01/20 5:11 am then its a sure death
sam 14/01/20 5:11 am so we're only hurting ourselves
sam 14/01/20 5:34 am roy & i were just talking about SA
sam 14/01/20 5:35 am we wanted to see if we can try a new concept
bryant 14/01/20 5:45 am Sorry back - seems one of the PA guys is
continuiing to shit on us in public - and is
being specific about myself and Jon in the
process. Trying to diffuse that through the
other PA guy, but with no luck.
sam 14/01/20 5:46 am what do you recommend?
bryant 14/01/20 5:49 am I think we need a cease and desist letter from
sam 14/01/20 5:49 am and shut their site down?
bryant 14/01/20 5:50 am I think that needs to go out as soon as
possible. If he continues, I think we need to
take some action.
sam 14/01/20 5:50 am do you recommend shutting them down
sam 14/01/20 5:50 am to get their attention?
bryant 14/01/20 5:51 am No, I think we fire a warning shot with the
letter. If that doesn't work I think we come
down hard and furious in every way we can.
bryant 14/01/20 5:51 am If Mike manages to impair our ability to
operate we have legal recourse, but what good
does that do us if we go under because we miss
out on some big deal?
bryant 14/01/20 5:52 am Shutting them down now would just fuel the
bryant 14/01/20 5:52 am The letter gives him enough rope to either
hang himself, or climb off his soapbox.
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am do you have a sample cease & desist letter
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am i'd like to get it fired off today
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am im looking on my hard drive to see if i have
sam 14/01/20 5:52 am we put specific evidence, etc. and quote laws
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and fire a warning shot..
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and using his letter he sent us also as
evicence of breach
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am and violating our confidentialty policies
sam 14/01/20 5:53 am as well as defamation
bryant 14/01/20 5:54 am Yeah, we have to do something. It needs to be
Mike 'Gabe' Krahulik to, and not Jerry 'Tycho'
Parkinson. Jerry isn't being vocal.
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am im seeing if i can find a sample copy of a
generic c&d .. then we put specfics in there..
and fax it to him on efront letterhead
and on the bottom we can do
cc: Melody Dapp Williams,
[full title, esquire, etc.]
that way it makes it seem intimidating that
the lawyer is ccd on it
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and we can send it to our lawyer as well
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am but it brings more credibiilty
bryant 14/01/20 5:56 am Yeah.
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and we order eerything to be ceased in 24
hours and retract everything they said
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am and delete their postings
sam 14/01/20 5:56 am or we will take action
sam 14/01/20 5:58 am do you guys wnat to prepare it and ill review
it then you can fax to him?
bryant 14/01/20 5:59 am Yeah, have a template?
sam 14/01/20 5:59 am still searching :)
bryant 14/01/20 6:03 am Is Greg writing a letter as well? Or is that
the one Jerry is having me do the first draft
sam 14/01/20 6:04 am oh thats probably you.. not sure who was doing
bryant 14/01/20 6:04 am ok cool - just wanted to make sure we weren't
bryant 14/01/20 6:05 am These people kill me. They're so short
sighted and immature. I've been trying to
talk sense to Tycho but I'm not sure I'm
bryant 14/01/20 6:10 am So naive.
bryant 14/01/20 6:11 am I might have talked some sense to Tycho. I'm
going to watch the messageboards closely this
weekend to see if Gabe persists. If he does,
we'll get the C&D out.
sam 14/01/20 6:11 am http://www.creditmania.com/Letters/cease.htm
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am one sample :)
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am looking for more
bryant 14/01/20 6:12 am In the meantime, I've got a lot of issues that
I want to try and work into the letter to try
and diffuse all of this. I don't think pissed
of webmasters is the end of the world, but
better to have them on their backs wagging
their tails than snapping at us.
sam 14/01/20 6:12 am yes i agree
bryant 14/01/20 6:13 am Yeah, found some samples too. I might also
call in a favor from some people I know at
Paul Hastings under the premise that his
actions are endangering my livelihood by means
of endangering eF. If they'll do it it will
be from eF, not from me so should work fine.
I hope they will, they're some of the best.
bryant 14/01/20 6:15 am Some part of me is still carrying a Corps
mentality. I keep thinking a rifle butt to
some kneecaps would solve all our problems.
Instant collections and quiet webmasters. =)
sam 14/01/20 6:15 am i like that attitude :)
sam 14/01/20 6:16 am anyway we can work on SA? imnot sure if
jonathan fwd u my thoughts on that
bryant 14/01/20 6:16 am Not sure either, checking.
sam 14/01/20 6:16 am let me do it
bryant 14/01/20 6:16 am ok.
bryant 14/01/20 6:17 am My current plan with Lowtax is to get him on
the phone next time he's available and find
out what he needs to get by. Not this $13k
crap - the guy can live on 1/5th of that in
bryant 14/01/20 6:17 am Perhaps if we can assure him that much at the
very least just until things get better then
he'll be happy.
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am yeah i know.. actually if u want, put him on
our payroll on normal salary
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am or something
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and if things dont work out, he gets his site
back.. so he's assured
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and would reduce the 13k
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am and also
sam 14/01/20 6:18 am we can get him to do real revenue stuff that
ill fwd to you
bryant 14/01/20 6:18 am Yeah - something. Let me work on him, we have
a decent rapport.
bryant 14/01/20 6:19 am His #1 issue is server stability right now -
how soon are we at S4R?
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am and tell him to get his forum msg down in the
meanwhile.. and if we cant work anything out,
then he can rant and rave then :)
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am s4r..i ask matt and nate everday.. they said
they're almost completed
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am w/ data transfer
sam 14/01/20 6:19 am let me ask matt again
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am if we get SA on our side, then PA ranting will
seem like its their fault
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am if he posts good stuff about efront :)
sam 14/01/20 6:20 am and they're a community type of site.. so
bellwether sort of
bryant 14/01/20 6:20 am Yeah, that's my biggest issue right now.
Everyone seems to think it's okay to rant
about this issues in open public forums. It's
not. I mean shit, they can certainly have
grievances and that's a normal aspect of life,
but these people (kids) need to understand
that when they started taking money, it
stopped being a hobby and became a business.
sam 14/01/20 6:21 am yeah i know
bryant 14/01/20 6:21 am That's my hurdle right now with the email -
make points like that while narrowing the gap
bryant 14/01/20 6:22 am Heh, the good news is that at least at the
moment, we have a lot of people coming to us
interested in being acquired. Since 1/1 I've
received more direct emails with people asking
to come aboard than in 3 months before.
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am i know..
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am if half of our webmasters leave, we can get
better contradcts with
sam 14/01/20 6:22 am 1 year terms.. and $ based on uniques
bryant 14/01/20 6:23 am lol, no kidding.
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am so i dont mind if ppl leave.. but we need to
do it gracefully
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am like sitepowerup.com i gracefully parted ways
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am (very bad clickthrus)
sam 14/01/20 6:23 am and trying to do the same w/ teenstation (too
many banners per user)
bryant 14/01/20 6:24 am Agree totally. Hey look, we can really
survive if we lose some of the 'garbage' sites
that will never be able to run anything but
RON stuff. If we're already overpaying them -
then no harm no foul if they go.
sam 14/01/20 6:24 am roy7 1/13/200 12:53 PM Argh the SA
forums box seems to be offline.
please do pay Lowtax
(somethingawful.com) next week if possible. I
can take a
pay delay if need be. I feel really
bad for him.
He came to us after 2 previous
that went under and didn't give
notice and he had late payments from.
sam 1/13/200 12:55 PM tell him to stop
spamming us then
sam 1/13/200 12:55 PM and encouraging
his people to stop spamming us
sam 1/13/200 12:55 PM rather work with
us and we'll work w/him
roy7 1/13/200 1:04 PM (The Ars article)
newsletter (ICQ#346505) Wrote:
someone that I was working with and
sell to us saw that and changed
sam 1/13/200 1:04 PM that's okay.. we
probably dont need acqs right
roy7 1/13/200 1:04 PM SA makes more
than I realized, $13K/month. I
that off my credit card. But
can send him at least half next
roy7 1/13/200 1:05 PM We didn't take
SA's forums down intentionally
sam 1/13/200 1:05 PM no of course
sam 1/13/200 1:06 PM we should
probably cut SA
sam 1/13/200 1:06 PM we cant keep his
roy7 1/13/200 1:07 PM From a
positioning point of view, if INSP
funds us, we
should pay webmasters off before
doing a PR.
Don't want them seeing we have a
pile of cash
and asking where their money is.
sam 1/13/200 1:07 PM and he keeps
having server problems with us
roy7 1/13/200 1:07 PM S4R will solve
roy7 1/13/200 1:08 PM I don't like the
idea of cutting someone who
their best for us but we've let them
Someone like PA who hate us and wanted
along, yeah, they are gone. But Lowtax
pretty pro-eFront and trying to
sam 1/13/200 1:08 PM how has lowtax
sam 1/13/200 1:08 PM i was just
thinking in his best interest
roy7 1/13/200 1:09 PM Well he's just
been cooperative in our reveune
stuff so far
as I know, and more patient than
most of us
would have been with the forum
sam 1/13/200 1:09 PM megagames emailed
that his srever is down hm
roy7 1/13/200 1:09 PM Any tech people
in today? SA's forum box needs
sam 1/13/200 1:10 PM no.. i dont see
roy7 1/13/200 1:10 PM It looks bad with
the thread Ars links to
goign to a
machine that isn't on. ;)
sam 1/13/200 1:10 PM probably better
for us :)
sam 1/13/200 1:12 PM in the recap
email g3 is sending out monday,
to remind every1 of their
i mean if
infospace sees stuff like that, we
wont get any
then its a
only hurting ourselves
roy7 1/13/200 1:20 PM I was going to
try paying lowtax with a cash
check off a credit card but I didn't
much he made. I don't have that
available on all my cards
sam 1/13/200 1:21 PM we can take care
of him next week probably
sam 1/13/200 1:21 PM but he needs to
help us not hurt us
sam 1/13/200 1:21 PM even though i
know his site is all about
sam 1/13/200 1:23 PM btw,
somethingawful = 0 srunner links
roy7 1/13/200 1:25 PM Hurmph.
what the best way to monetize
like SA is. It's popular (6m+ page
kinda famous (Ars are fans), and has a
following. Not sure if it's
you can sell branded advertising
for, like a
"real" humor site.
sam 1/13/200 1:25 PM ya .. u cant sell
advertising on it.. its all
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM advertisers wont
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM however, u can do
srunner type of stuff
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM like amd
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM like mad
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM and xdrive
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM and everything
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM because its a
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM but we cant make
money if he doesnt promote
sam 1/13/200 1:26 PM on a daily basis
sam 1/13/200 1:27 PM remember taht one
day he had srunner link (he
about it).. and it got lot of
sam 1/13/200 1:27 PM but i highly
doubt he'll do all this for us
roy7 1/13/200 1:27 PM The tune will
change once he's paid again. :)
roy7 1/13/200 1:28 PM And once he's at
S4R and forums work or, if
someone can reboot them.
sam 1/13/200 1:28 PM
bryant 14/01/20 6:24 am "really survive" meaning, losing some of them
is hardly going to kill us.
sam 14/01/20 6:25 am yeah im sure we'll survive, i have no doubts..
its time for restructuring and streamlinging
and losing the garbage
sam 14/01/20 6:25 am our basic to cover.. rent & payroll isnt tons
sam 14/01/20 6:26 am and some of the bills..we'll just have to make
payment plans on.. and really, i'd like to get
total 100% of our bills to 500k/month and
revenues to go upto 1 mil..
sam 14/01/20 6:26 am and glide on that for a little bit.. while
saving up $
sam 14/01/20 6:26 am with or w/o infospace
bryant 14/01/20 6:26 am ok, cool - got the Lowtax stuff. I think
there's something that can definitely be done
there. When it comes down to it he's really
quite reasonable and mature (at least compared
to many of the others). More importantly,
they almost all respect him to a certain
degree so if he's not anti- then maybe some of
them are less so.
bryant 14/01/20 6:27 am He can help us without transparently being our
puppet I suspect, and should be willing to do
sam 14/01/20 6:27 am yeah just talk to him.. tell him that we think
he can be a good spokesperson for efront to
the webmaster community and we want to
completely prioritize him and make sure he's
taken care of
bryant 14/01/20 6:28 am Tim Eckles is taking a beating in the closed
discussion groups though. Gotta love the guy,
he's going toe to toe with people and trying
to bring them down.
sam 14/01/20 6:28 am i know.. tim is awesome :)
sam 14/01/20 6:28 am im feeding him info and material :)
sam 14/01/20 6:28 am if we got SA on our side, then there's more
sam 14/01/20 6:29 am so thats why i was thinking forget the 13k..
have a heart to heart with him.. does he
really like what he's doing? does he want to
do it instead of getting a regular job? well
we think there's a way that can be done
sam 14/01/20 6:30 am and work something out with him where he can
continue to do what he enjoys while we get
what we want from him : revenue projects +
pro-efront support 100% no matter what :)
sam 14/01/20 6:30 am this is truly like the corps huh :) strategy &
intelligence to overthrow the opposition
bryant 14/01/20 6:31 am The salaried thing is something intriguing -
pretty comfortable with that approach? I'm
thinking if we do that he's instantly our
"webmaster advocate". That could be painted
as a real plus. "We know you all are upset,
we're trying to be upfront with you but
communications sometimes break down - so we're
appointing one of your own as the liaison for
sam 14/01/20 6:31 am yeah.. but he also has to position for us
bryant 14/01/20 6:31 am Heh, it's like the Corps, but even more like
my old counterintelligence work. As stressful
as it can be, it's also a lot of fun.
sam 14/01/20 6:32 am meaning in good times and bad times he has to
bryant 14/01/20 6:32 am Well yeah, but obviously we wouldn't position
it that way to the webmasters.
sam 14/01/20 6:32 am and we'll make sure he never gets evicted as
long as we're around :)
bryant 14/01/20 6:32 am Dunno, I won't go into any of that with him
until I have a good idea of where his head is.
sam 14/01/20 6:32 am thats true
sam 14/01/20 6:32 am well see what u can do :)
bryant 14/01/20 6:32 am Will do. I need to run - will talk to you
sam 14/01/20 6:33 am if we turn his site into member-only we can
make alot from email makreting too :) ok later
bryant 14/01/20 6:33 am We'll reign the webmasters in - may just take
a few days. Once they're under control it
will be easy to separate some of them from the
flock and quietly (and peacefully) trim them
sam 14/01/20 6:33 am yup
sam 14/01/20 6:34 am this is probably a good thing all this
happened.. then we can finally control them..
they were like a wild herd before :)
sam 14/01/20 9:45 am oy7: (5:42 PM) http://www.lumthemad.net
Whoa that's odd. They claim we are throwing in
the towel and fired most of our staff last
sam: (5:43 PM) thats because of stupid SA
sam: (5:43 PM) he blatantly violated our NDA
sam: (5:43 PM) so i doubt he's getting paid
sam: (5:44 PM) before some of our other
sam: (5:44 PM) who are in more need
sam: (5:44 PM) so he needs to retract what he
sam 16/01/20 11:05 am heh.. tim from aah wants to take over doing PA
sam 16/01/20 11:05 am he said he'll make fun of lazy,
web-generation, immature whiny kiddies :)
sam 16/01/20 11:10 am iBLAMEj00 (ICQ#8906076) Wrote:
I know an artist that would probably love to
do it. =)
[another options.. kick PA guys out and we can
do the comics ourselves]
sam 16/01/20 11:13 am their email basically said they are not going
to cooperate with us.. thereby they are in
breach of the entire contract.. which means we
fire them and have no further obligations to
sam 16/01/20 11:32 am if you can work on restrucutirng some of the
agreements, i think that would help alot..
like SA gets 2cpm.. thats obscene and can't
last ..lot of them like that
sam 16/01/20 11:41 am iBLAMEj00 (ICQ#8906076) Wrote:
Okay, artist is all lined up
bryant 16/01/20 11:50 am Yeah, I can move into restructuring people.
Re: PA, let me have 24 hours to see what I
can do. Presuming I can get them to talk at
all. I don't have a copy of their email,
would you fwd when you get a chance?
sam 16/01/20 11:51 am Tims's saying that the first storyline from
the new artist is about PA :)
sam 16/01/20 11:51 am yes..
bryant 16/01/20 11:53 am I have a copy of that one. Did they send one
today declining our out contract?
sam 16/01/20 11:53 am no they didnt
sam 16/01/20 11:53 am but i was being proactive
bryant 16/01/20 11:53 am Ahh, okay.
sam 16/01/20 11:53 am i was telling jonathan in the future, we kick
these guys out
sam 16/01/20 11:53 am and do the content ourselves
sam 16/01/20 11:54 am we have alot of resources through all the ppl
on our team
sam 16/01/20 11:54 am we can always find someone to do the content
sam 16/01/20 11:54 am even if it sux :)
sam 16/01/20 11:54 am i was saying that because they said in their
email they refused to put our stuff up, and
thus breach oruagreement, we have a right to
fire them as well
sam 16/01/20 11:54 am and hire other ppl toservice the website
bryant 16/01/20 11:55 am Ah, heh - okay. I thought they rejected our
'out' offer - I was completely flabbergasted.
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am infospace sent us another termsheet
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am today
bryant 16/01/20 11:56 am Better?
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am man.. not much room to negotiate
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am getting better everytime
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am but still not what we want
sam 16/01/20 11:56 am maybe time to cut bait and go for it huh
sam 16/01/20 11:58 am getting infosapce will give us some $, time to
regroup, and $ in the bank as well
bryant 16/01/20 11:58 am With the timing maybe. Don't think any one of
us would take a deal like that seriously
except from where we're sitting right now at
this moment. It does buy us time though, and
time is the one thing we really need. Our
capacity for success and stability isn't the
issue, having the time to put it in place is.
sam 16/01/20 11:58 am its not a ton of money.. but enough to help us
buy timewhich is the most important thing
sam 16/01/20 11:58 am yup exactly
bryant 16/01/20 11:58 am Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
sam 16/01/20 11:59 am btw, fyi, jerry wont be in all week.. his
grandfather passed away
sam 16/01/20 11:59 am he's flying to ohio 2morrow
bryant 16/01/20 11:59 am Yeah I heard. Spoke with him briefly this
afternoon too. Never good to hear stuff like
sam 16/01/20 11:59 am yeah i know
sam 16/01/20 12:04 pm also, before we announce the infospace deal,
i'd like to restructure all our webmaster
sam 16/01/20 12:04 pm that way we can cry we're in the poorhouse..
sam 16/01/20 12:04 pm otherwise it'll be tougher afterwards
sam 16/01/20 12:04 pm and we do want to do that because the
infospace money isnt alot and we have to give
all of it back.. so we need to conserve every
sam 16/01/20 12:05 pm so me and you can work on that i think..
we'll go through the contracts, and as part of
going back to the websites we'll call them and
say this is the offer wed' like to propose to
move forward because of the ad climate
sam 16/01/20 12:05 pm what do u think
bryant 16/01/20 12:07 pm I think it will be fine. Some of them have to
see it coming. We can even think about
allowing contingencies that return the
structure to its original form if X, Y, and Z
happen. But may not even have to go to great
bryant 16/01/20 12:07 pm Do we have a list of the biggest money holes?
sam 16/01/20 12:07 pm mpog
sam 16/01/20 12:07 pm jus kidding ha ha
sam 16/01/20 12:07 pm ill get you a list of all the sites and stuff
bryant 16/01/20 12:07 pm Heh, true probably.
bryant 16/01/20 12:08 pm OK, sounds good.
sam 16/01/20 12:08 pm so we can work on this project.. and im going
to work w/ dennis to try to push the infospc
fwd:.. having a $3 bil company invest in us
will give us alot of crediblity huh?
bryant 16/01/20 12:09 pm Would almost have to. Although I still think
that despite the bad press we still stand up
pretty straight on our own merits.
sam 16/01/20 12:09 pm i know.. but we want to kill all of that once
and for all and show that we've adapted
considerably.. that we're bring services to
our user base, nto banners.. and evolving w/
sam 16/01/20 12:17 pm actually you know who would be a good swat
team person to work with you on
sam 16/01/20 12:17 pm Tim
sam 16/01/20 12:17 pm Tim & I restrucuted a few contracts already 6
sam 16/01/20 12:17 pm He's really good
sam 17/01/20 12:50 pm hey i m almost done with a list of webmasters
we need to renegotiate with
sam 20/01/20 11:11 am hey.. g3 briefed me on ur telecon w/ him..
everything looks good it seems.. i have a
spreadsheet from bill schmidt on more
webmaster financials as well.. maybe we can go
over it whenever u have a chance this weekend
bryant 20/01/20 11:52 pm Cool, that would be great. Lot of good info
coming together, I hope to start prioritiziing
sites and indetifying what needs to be changed
sam 21/01/20 11:17 pm hey linda/lotus msged me about helping with
the chinese websites.. and she asked if she
should talk to u about it.. im going to tell
her yes as well.
bryant 22/01/20 11:51 pm np, she ICQd me.
sam 23/01/20 1:16 pm efront is a MSP (media services provider) that
provides services and solutions to media
business through eddie (efront delivery
engine) which consists of:
-Technology Division ( Managed Ad Serving &
Mgmt, Content Mgmt & ASP, Managed hosting)
- Syndication (Careers, Directories,
Education, Tech content, Downloads, etc.)
- Marketing Services ( Media Services & Media
- Direct Marketing (Lead generation for online
and offline businesses)
- International (deploying the above
[btw, some of the concepts we're currently
developing: we're not a media company, we
provide services and solutions to media &
other businesses .. so probably get rid of the
media from our name too :]
sam 23/01/20 1:18 pm efront is a MSP (media services provider) that
provides services and solutions to media
business through eddie (efront delivery
engine) which consists of:
-Technology Division ( Managed Ad Serving &
Mgmt, Content Mgmt & ASP, Managed hosting)
- Syndication (Careers, Directories,
Education, Tech content, Downloads, etc.)
- Marketing Services ( Media Services & Media
- Direct Marketing (Lead generation for online
and offline businesses)
- International (deploying the above
[btw, some of the concepts we're currently
developing: we're not a media company, we
provide services and solutions to media &
other businesses .. so probably get rid of the
media from our name too :]
sam 26/01/20 11:39 am hows the renegotiations going
sam 26/01/20 12:14 pm PA Contract:
Don't think we should accept the changes. The
problem is that they could be looking to get
us back or something. If Tim @ AAH or any of
our webmasters or whatever says something bad
about them, they could try to sue us; who
Tell them that the reality is that if we do
something illegal to them or defame them, they
can sue us anyways regardless of what the
contract says so no need to put it in there.
sam 26/01/20 1:32 pm hey just talking to alot of people right now
(outside efront.. ppl i talked to about
acquiring before.. like napigator etc.) the ad
market isHORRIBLE.. cpms are now 10 cents RON
.. best time to renegotiate:)
sam 26/01/20 11:13 pm ill send you the email for sitepowerup and
teenstatio...we terminated them.. and we just
need to clean it up
sam 27/01/20 1:54 pm Will-I must have an update on the
renegotiations. Feb. 1 is approaching fast.
What are we doing
bryant 27/01/20 1:57 pm Linda got me her Asian site feedback today.
Greg is putting criteria together. Jerry is
going to look at the cpmU concept. Once those
are in place we can rip through pretty
quickly. Babynames is being handled this
weekend, as is iswoosh presuming he gets back
to the messages I've been leaving.
bryant 27/01/20 1:57 pm ohtop is ready to go.
bryant 27/01/20 1:57 pm I've got a basic list of which sites have out
clauses that need to get removed.
bryant 27/01/20 1:57 pm What happens on 2/1?
sam 27/01/20 1:58 pm im going through a list / data collection
right now..very interesting.
btw, i just renegotiated one of the sites
(Avfind.com) we owed him 65k on his contract.
i gave him 2 options.
1. 20k and we call it even OR
2. he gets his site back, no questions asked
he chose option #1.. (we'd pay 5k next week,
and rest within a month)
thats another tactic to use
sam 27/01/20 1:59 pm february 1.. we need to get our payable for
february to at least 200k.. because we wont be
able to pay much more than that for the month
of february until we rebuild our revenues
using direct marketing (its working really
good..but they need to ramp up.. takes 2-3
bryant 27/01/20 2:00 pm Is our goal to negotiate down what we owe in
back pay or is it to restructure from cpmPVs
to cpmUniques, reduce pay levels where
appripriate as well as remove unhealthy
sam 27/01/20 2:00 pm ill email you an interesting file..
sam 27/01/20 2:05 pm ok sent an email..
btw, PA guy left msg on my voicemail.. i
deleted it.. whats up w/ him .. are they ready
bryant 27/01/20 2:05 pm Should be. Was it Mike? Contract is off to
them, they just need to sign and fax.
Expecting it back tomorrow.
sam 27/01/20 2:06 pm yep.. i figured you're taking care of it.
fyi, i also sent yout he new org chart we
introduced to all the employees yesterday
(well in the office).. w/ the new division..
you're part of corporate development, formerly
acquisition.. i asked bill to interface with
you for any contractual and acq. related
matters as well.. so we can try to focus on
revenue stuff :)
bryant 27/01/20 2:08 pm Sounds good. I think once the cpmU stuff is
in place we have a real opportunity to cut $
down. Plus with the distinct possibility that
some expensive sites might bail - that helps
as well. Re: 2/1 - even ones we do after that
we'll grandfather back to a 2/1 effective
date. I'll check on the legality of that, but
it shouldn't present an issue.
sam 27/01/20 2:10 pm okay no problem. btw, i think best thing is
to do is renegotiate the length as well.
going forward, i'd like to get lump sum cash
contracts.. much cleaner and we have full
control. most of the sites we own outright,
we have people run it for 200--500/month (i
dont know how you spend 4k :) i get 10 sites
we own outright run for 200$/month and they
bryant 27/01/20 2:10 pm Heh, Babynames walks and that's an extra $16k
free a month, and we only lose 6MM PVs and
just over 500k uniques. Can replace that
easily with smaller cheaper sites in the same
bryant 27/01/20 2:11 pm 36 -> 18? 24? 12?
sam 27/01/20 2:12 pm yes i agree.. with cash only deals..they work
really good from deployment standpoint as
well. the way i structured these in the past
were like this:
* 25k cash
* 30 day due diligence, then 5k
* 30 day where they redesign it to our
standards, move it over and 10k
* 30 days warranty support 10k
and we're done!
sam 27/01/20 2:12 pm pretty smart huh:) we only say.. 25k upfront
sam 27/01/20 2:12 pm in the contract we outline how this is broken
bryant 27/01/20 2:12 pm Any recurring money after that?
sam 27/01/20 2:12 pm and if they come back, we just say this is to
protect ourselves and make sure its moved over
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm no ..ZERO
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm i have like 5 sits like this..theyre great
bryant 27/01/20 2:13 pm Wow, how do they support their staff? Or
don't they have any?
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm just consultants.. pay them 200 to 500 a
month.. i have alot of kids work for us
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm i have access to 50 kids
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm h.s. kids everywhere
bryant 27/01/20 2:13 pm Ahh, okay.
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm i can get as many
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm better than working in mcdonadlsl
sam 27/01/20 2:13 pm and they'll do anything we say.. in terms of
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm and most of the sites are easy to maintain
once they have the traffic
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm no stocks, nothing
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm of course, you probably cant do it with sites
like themeworld etc.,
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm but those are few and far between
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm most sites that have 5k to 25k visitors a day
you can do that
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm which is majority of our sites
sam 27/01/20 2:14 pm pretty neat huh? that makes life easier for
everyone..and gives us a huge cashcow
bryant 27/01/20 2:15 pm Actually, themeworld I think is a one man
show. Static content sites that would really
work for (cheats, pics, etc.). It's dynamic
content sites that it would be harder to work.
sam 27/01/20 2:15 pm actually funny thing is that
sam 27/01/20 2:15 pm the sites i did those deals for ARE dynamic
bryant 27/01/20 2:15 pm No kidding.
sam 27/01/20 2:15 pm bytecenter.com totally CGI
sam 27/01/20 2:15 pm avfind.com.. i did the site renegotiation
today.. and got a perl programmer kid
(200/month) whos going to take it over
sam 27/01/20 2:16 pm gldev.com is same way.. mysql
skinz.org.. is owned by us 100% .. different
people running it.. we pay each guy 500/month
sam 27/01/20 2:16 pm you get the idea
sam 27/01/20 2:16 pm i can find resources to run sites.. thats
never a problem
sam 27/01/20 2:18 pm the spreadsheet is interesting
bryant 27/01/20 2:22 pm Good lord - we pay indianmasala 10k a month?
bryant 27/01/20 2:22 pm Always hard to remember what the market
allowed this time last year. =)
sam 27/01/20 2:22 pm i think so.. brian did the deal..
sam 27/01/20 2:22 pm only 2-3 months ago
sam 27/01/20 2:23 pm we need to reduce that
sam 27/01/20 2:23 pm this was kinda building up.. remember i sent
that email out 3 months ago concerning how cpm
rates are falling etc. and dont pay more than
1 cpm on most sites :)
sam 27/01/20 2:24 pm out in the trenches, you kind of start to get
an idea.. its okay though..
most of the sites.. we either renegotiate, or
give back the sites
sam 27/01/20 2:24 pm i thnk the best way to increase our margins is
to reduce the length of the term
bryant 27/01/20 2:24 pm Certainly.
sam 27/01/20 2:24 pm upfront cash (3 month).. or one year
(themeworld type of sites)
bryant 27/01/20 2:25 pm So you've been taking a % of the total cash
value from the original contract? How are you
determining how much cash they're given?
sam 27/01/20 2:25 pm as low as i can get them :)
sam 27/01/20 2:26 pm depends on their needs.. economic hardship,
sam 27/01/20 2:26 pm i basically say original contract doesnt mean
bryant 27/01/20 2:26 pm Using Megagames as an example, we pay them 30k
over 36 months - that's $1.08M before you
consider equity 'value' etc.
sam 27/01/20 2:26 pm make Xyz with us.. or make 10 cent cpm out
there in the market
bryant 27/01/20 2:26 pm I see. So it's less about the old deal than
it is a new.
bryant 27/01/20 2:26 pm I gotchya.
sam 27/01/20 2:27 pm and better to do just cash payment
sam 27/01/20 2:27 pm than going from 3 year to 1 year
sam 27/01/20 2:27 pm because if u do that, they'll know you're
trying to reduce the payments
bryant 27/01/20 2:27 pm Right.
bryant 27/01/20 2:27 pm Can we afford to pay out such large lumps to
people all at once?
sam 27/01/20 2:28 pm and the excuse to use is that.. we're having
hard time deploying campaigns etc. we have 3
1. you take the site back (ill hve to talk it
2. we renegotiate the contract based on
3. we make a reasonable cash payment and call
sam 27/01/20 2:28 pm well, structure it so that the cash isnt all
sam 27/01/20 2:29 pm (some now, some for warranty support,
etc...and drag it out over 3 months)
sam 27/01/20 2:29 pm and not make it so large.. like avfind.com ..
made it from 75k to 20k
bryant 27/01/20 2:29 pm Was 75k the total he would have made over the
term of his agreement?
sam 27/01/20 2:30 pm his term was expriing feb 28, 2001
we hadnt paid him since oct. 2000.. he was
getting basically 15k/month..
sam 27/01/20 2:30 pm (3 cpm.. yikes)
sam 27/01/20 2:30 pm he agreed to the new stuf.. i just have to
send it to him and make sure he doesnt change
his mind.. nice site too.. and decent traffic
AND we can put a srunner link next to each
sam 27/01/20 2:31 pm did u see the spreadsheet i gave u
bryant 27/01/20 2:31 pm I see. I'm just trying to apply the model to
sites that have very large amounts that will
build up over the next few years. Megagames
for example is over #$1MM. Even if we brought
that down to $150k that would be $20k more a
month than we pay him now ($30k).
bryant 27/01/20 2:31 pm Yeah, I'm looking it over now.
sam 27/01/20 2:31 pm yeah..megagames would be hard to do.. i'd
leave him till last i think
sam 27/01/20 2:32 pm until he relly gets in a jam $ wise
sam 27/01/20 2:32 pm he was already
sam 27/01/20 2:32 pm at some point in the future, we might be able
to take the site for 2 payments of 50k a
piece.. that sounds bad i know :)
sam 27/01/20 2:32 pm or at least reduce it
sam 27/01/20 2:32 pm personally, i'd skip that site for now
bryant 27/01/20 2:33 pm OK I see, so there is a sweet spot for this
process. Sites closer to term on their
agreements in a cash bind so anxious and
willing to get a sum of cash in the short term
instead of more in the long.
bryant 27/01/20 2:33 pm And obviously we position "more in the long"
to be more like "questions about any in the
sam 27/01/20 2:33 pm yeah.. somethingawful.. the site isnt a site
without him.. so we need to keep him
sam 27/01/20 2:33 pm we should get him for 4k/month flat or
sam 27/01/20 2:34 pm have u talked to him about renegotiation
sam 27/01/20 2:34 pm yeah questions about any in the long :)
bryant 27/01/20 2:34 pm I've planted the seeds but haven't really gone
in depth yet.
sam 27/01/20 2:34 pm and we never talk about suing them or screwing
them.. worst case, they get their site back..
we threaten them with giving their sites back
sam 27/01/20 2:34 pm thats not so bad is it:)
sam 27/01/20 2:34 pm of course, if they want us to keep it thats
sam 27/01/20 2:35 pm they have to get in line like the rest of our
webmasters to collect
bryant 27/01/20 2:35 pm Not at all. It never is when the choice is in
bryant 27/01/20 2:35 pm We're telling them what we need to do in order
to get them money, and saying we understand if
that doesn't work for them and being kind
enough to ignore the ownership agreement.
sam 27/01/20 2:35 pm just looking at some of the contracts, etc. in
terms of lump sum payments, we'd put them #1
on the priority list to get paid
bryant 27/01/20 2:35 pm At least that's the approach.
sam 27/01/20 2:37 pm our to 36 sites generate 80% of our daily
sam 27/01/20 2:37 pm 1.3 mil / 1.6 mil = 81%
bryant 27/01/20 2:40 pm OK so;
Lumps of cash (cut way the hell down) -or-
Shorter contract based on cpmU with modern
cash scale -or-
bryant 27/01/20 2:41 pm With the focus obviously being on the sites
making the most and/or those in the top 36.
sam 27/01/20 2:41 pm yes.. although we dont want to give the site
back if we can help it.. we just threaten it
for ex., at a few times, avfind said,.. ok ill
just take my site back.
of course response was.. 'okay so you dont
want any cash then right'
then he said.. oh wait.. well hm
sam 27/01/20 2:41 pm do u hae most of the contracts
bryant 27/01/20 2:41 pm Almost all, yeah.
bryant 27/01/20 2:42 pm Those I don't Kevin will FAX me as I need them
sam 27/01/20 2:42 pm we dont want to give any of the 1 year
contracts one back either
bryant 27/01/20 2:42 pm Of course. Too close to owning outright.
sam 27/01/20 2:42 pm how are you guys holding up? pretty good? jan
31 payment is on time.. feb 15 is uncertain
right now.. (negotiating w/ about.com right
now) ..and webmasters would have to be first
bryant 27/01/20 2:44 pm Holding up fine at present. How long of a
delay do you anticipate (if any) on 2/15?
sam 27/01/20 2:45 pm really hard to tell.. i'd like to not any
delay if i can help it. we have these
* about.com done (they are upto 200k now..
they owe us 450k.. and im trying to settle for
300k + get a new contract)
* infosapce is now in the due diligence phase
* meeting with reznor, etc. (geocities
founders).. for possible funding
* other a/r.. although gotta pay webmasters
bryant 27/01/20 2:46 pm We'll all play it by ear and see what happens.
We survived the last delay, if it happens
again I'm sure everyone can pull it out again.
sam 27/01/20 2:47 pm yeah .. i just want to renegotiate so we dont
have a snowball effect.. in terms of a/p
building up.. thats the important thing
bryant 27/01/20 2:47 pm Oh yeah, if anything is a knockout punch its
sam 27/01/20 2:48 pm yeah thats why this is like really important
sam 27/01/20 2:48 pm so our in-house bulldog is taking the lead on
this then .. you :)
sam 27/01/20 2:49 pm got any idea on how you're going to re-work
bryant 27/01/20 2:49 pm No, going to think about it a bit.
bryant 27/01/20 2:49 pm With all of this I don't have to wait for the
cmpU stuff at least. Should be able to
contact a lot of these people this weekend.
sam 27/01/20 2:50 pm i can get u the cpmU stuff tonight.. i havent
looked at the ohtop stuff.. that should be
easy to evaluate
sam 27/01/20 2:50 pm btw, sites like indianmasala (i jsut went
there) .. has their own serach engine im sure
they're making $ from
bryant 27/01/20 2:51 pm No rush. I suspec tthat will be the least
sam 27/01/20 2:51 pm basically use audit/violation as an excuse too
bryant 27/01/20 2:51 pm Going to pull Brian in on some of these. Any
sam 27/01/20 2:51 pm when it comes to them taking the stite back,
dont promise they can have it back.. say that
shouldnt be a problem..but u need to get it
bryant 27/01/20 2:52 pm np
sam 27/01/20 2:52 pm no not at all..
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm indianmasala also uses mailbits
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm (for example..) t
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm dont mess w/ subnet.. i negotiated the poor
guy down 2 times already :) his original
contract was 3 cpm
bryant 27/01/20 2:53 pm np, we'll use whatever we can to help.
sam 27/01/20 2:54 pm ill see if i can renegotiate him 1 more time..
he's actully good.. im going to give him all
the mp3 sites to run
sam 27/01/20 2:57 pm the ones that end in 2001.. im pretty positive
you can work out a lump sum arrangement .
bryant 27/01/20 2:57 pm I doubt there's a question. For them it's a
matter of "here's X guaranteed and in short
order, or Y maybe - maybe not over a longer
bryant 27/01/20 2:58 pm Not one of them will opt to wait longer.
sam 27/01/20 2:58 pm ya i know.. u can get it for like 10-20 cents
on the dollar..
bryant 27/01/20 2:58 pm Those are going to be the cakewalks. It's the
ones that get a good amount for a much longer
period of time that will be the battle. Even
those should see the value though.
sam 27/01/20 2:59 pm yeah.. megagames would be a battle.. you can
try your hands at it if you want.. i said last
cuz i antitcipt a lbattle :)
bryant 27/01/20 3:00 pm Well, I'm going to work on the soft underbelly
first. When the easy ones are dealt with we
can afford to spend more time on the tough
bryant 27/01/20 3:00 pm If nothing else, MG might be a better
candidate for cpmU and thus lower payments.
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm yeah..although megagames is a flat 30k / month
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his unique are good
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his traffic increases
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his pv/visitor ratio is good
bryant 27/01/20 3:01 pm Our ace on that one is that our association
with him also hurts us with our relationships
with game producers and PR firms.
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm yeah thats a beter ace
bryant 27/01/20 3:01 pm Well, them maybe just reduce the 30k. Don't
know - won't worry about that one until
there's time to joust.
bryant 27/01/20 3:02 pm He's widely considered to be a pro-piracy
site. I have no stance on that myself, but
it's a tool.
sam 27/01/20 3:02 pm yeah.. when we make him gaming.efront.com,
we'll remove the crack section..and make it
sam 27/01/20 3:02 pm yeah good tool
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm btw, just read your cpmU email
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm only one problem i hae
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm wanna hear it
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Anyway, I'm going to run. Will track Brian
down first thing and hopefully can deal with
Jennifer Moss early. We'll see how many of
the 'easy' ones we can crack down on tomorrow
and Sunday. I'll very likely need some
contracts here and there I don't have. Will
someone be around?
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Absolutely.
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Shoot.
sam 27/01/20 3:05 pm we're trying to tie it back to the cpm.. which
means banner, etc.
ideally, it'd be nice to know how much we can
really make $ per daily visitor.. then use
that data to figure out what the "cpm" model
might be.. then try to think what a reasonable
salary would be if they have high traffic..
then give them something in the neighborhood
of a decent salary using the cpmU model @ the
same time, making sure that their cost vs.
overall $ per daily visitor is just 20% so
gives us a 80% slush factor
bottom line, we need to have an idea on how
much $ per visitor we can make :)
sam 27/01/20 3:06 pm its a good start..but @ some point, we'd need
to take that into consideration.. for
incremental visitors added to the network (we
cant add unlimited either..)
bryant 27/01/20 3:07 pm Certainly.
sam 27/01/20 3:07 pm ill try to give u an idea of how much $ /
visitor we can make using the short track
history we have with the d.m. and other
sam 27/01/20 3:08 pm okay.. talk to u later.. good night..thanks:)
bryant 27/01/20 3:08 pm It will be tough to define a baseline for our
profit margin per user with the rollercoaster
that is the industry. But we can look at the
lows and average it out.
bryant 27/01/20 3:08 pm OK, cya.
sam 27/01/20 3:09 pm thats why the lump sum cash 3 month thing is
the best deal ever i think .. the 33 months is
ours to monetize :) okay cha
sam 27/01/20 3:09 pm okay cya
sam 30/01/20 12:38 pm any luck on reneogitations??
sam 30/01/20 12:38 pm progress? update? even one renegotiated
bryant 30/01/20 12:40 pm PA is done, Jerry will have the info from them
tonight. EMUX is the first straight target
because of the $100k clause on their contract
which comes up in a month. Just got the
contract on them this afternoon from Kevin, so
we should be calling them tomorrow. iSwoosh
and BabyNames have been impossible to reach so
far, but we're still trying.
sam 30/01/20 12:41 pm how bout the rest?
bryant 30/01/20 12:41 pm Emux is taking the lead since that's the most
bryant 30/01/20 12:47 pm Have to get a resolution on that asap. There
are a few other fairly urgent ones we're going
to tackle after that. Brian and I are going
to collaberate on the emux family, then I
expect we'll start splitting up sites from
there. Obviously BN, iS and PA have fit in
where and as possible.
sam 30/01/20 12:47 pm any thought on plan of attack?
i duno.. we are dead dead dead in the water if
we dont reduce our payable.. so they're all
sam 30/01/20 12:48 pm emux is one contract @ 100k..and even if we
owe them, we cant pay them..even if they take
their site back (eventually we will) .. but
the rest of them we probably want to keep on
an ongoing basis so..
bryant 30/01/20 12:50 pm ok. Might be best if you, Jerry and I (Brian
too maybe) conf on all of this. I think I'm
getting different concepts of where our
priorities are. Want to make sure we're
getting done what's most important.
bryant 30/01/20 12:53 pm That'll actually be good - can find out which
sites you two think are most expendable.
Helps to know whose ass we can just kick and
whose we're best not to. =)
sam 31/01/20 1:47 pm how did the call w/ jennifer go
bryant 31/01/20 1:48 pm She had to run while I was still on with Jerry
and the EFG group. She's making herself
available first thing tomorrow.
sam 31/01/20 1:49 pm okay just checking :) any luck with the
others? i think that we'll see how the results
go.. then within 24 to 48 hours, have myself +
you + scott p. here + maybe brian even work on
this in a swat team manner and focus on just
this either thursday or friday or
bryant 31/01/20 1:50 pm Also, Rich at SA has cooled off a lot. Seems
he just let the stress get to him. I think we
still let him chill a bit and then approach
him later if need be. In the meantime if tech
can make his stable, we can get him to 100%
compliance which will help.
sam 31/01/20 1:51 pm yeah lot of the webmasters.. if they dont
cooperate, i prefer not to threaten them.. but
to be honest w/ you, ive not had one problem
with anyone.. i always worked things out..
just drag it out and they come to their sense
bryant 31/01/20 1:51 pm Agree there. It's just a tough time, some
people just need to vent.
bryant 31/01/20 1:52 pm Pill popping time. I'll drop you a line
tomorrow afternoon with some sort of status
update on where we are with the key sites.
bryant 31/01/20 1:52 pm mame, asta, megagames, babynames, freevote,
sam 31/01/20 1:53 pm http://www.pdquick.com/checkout/OurAffiliates.
just ordered food.. babynames.com is listed
sam 01/02/20 12:00 pm update on renegotiations?
bryant 01/02/20 12:10 pm We've been in touch with iswoosh, babynames,
megagames, indianmasala and mame.dk today. IS
is basically taken care of, he's actually open
to a whole new contract if he stays. Jenn
(BN) just needs to talk with her partners but
seems open to change. MG and IM were just
initial contact. MDK cares most about equity
incentives on future growth. His traffic
seems completely legit, so we'll do that and
use it to cap the $ and deal with compliance.
sam 01/02/20 12:11 pm who is IS
bryant 01/02/20 12:11 pm Trying to track down hebus.com, xaviersite.com
and astalavista.com as well. Sub-net is on
the short list, but noone seems to know where
that contract is.
bryant 01/02/20 12:11 pm ISwoosh.
sam 01/02/20 12:13 pm ok.. even taking notes and feeling them out is
a great start :)
bryant 01/02/20 12:13 pm Yep. We're well into Babynames, mame.dk and
iswoosh. Don't have a read on the others yet.
So far I think people are being positive
about helping take steps to solidify the
sam 01/02/20 12:15 pm okay.. dont make any offers.. but get them
moving towards the gaosl.. just get a feel for
things.. and go through as many sites as you
bryant 01/02/20 12:17 pm Don't make offers?
sam 01/02/20 12:17 pm http://yahoofin.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-46710
sam 01/02/20 12:20 pm well sure make offers.. if you know what kind
of offers to make?
sam 01/02/20 12:20 pm if you give me an example of an offer or two
you'd like to make, i an take a quick look at
it and amke sure we're on the right track
bryant 01/02/20 12:21 pm I know what the elements are we can't have on
the contracts. I think I know which sites are
ones we should really try and keep and which
ones would be less of a loss. Familiar with
what CPMs are appropriate.
If there are issues beyond that though, then
perhaps I'm not familiar enough with our
goals. Clearly some of these cases are going
to require decisions on either your part or
Jerry's or both regardless.
sam 01/02/20 12:21 pm my main concern is cashflow
bryant 01/02/20 12:21 pm Understand that completely.
sam 01/02/20 12:22 pm as low as possible..even being creative in how
to achieve that
sam 01/02/20 12:22 pm so i just wanted to get an idea on some of the
bryant 01/02/20 12:23 pm I'll shoot you any we come up with tomorrow
based on the follow-up convos we have.
sam 01/02/20 12:23 pm okay great
sam 01/02/20 12:23 pm is brian involved in the process as well
bryant 01/02/20 12:24 pm Yes. I pulled him in on iswoosh since he's so
familiar with newsletter issues. And I'm
having him start the ball rolling with
indianmasala since he closed the deal. Jon is
involved with babynames with me since he has a
rapport with Jenn. Using people where/when it
will smooth the process.
sam 01/02/20 12:25 pm k
sam 01/02/20 12:25 pm any lump sum deal possibilties? :) (besides
bryant 01/02/20 12:26 pm All of these deals besides iswoosh are large
value and long term contracts. None of them
will really fit into that model.
bryant 01/02/20 12:26 pm We'll see a lot more opportunities on that
front when we get into the mid to small range
sam 01/02/20 12:26 pm ya i figured that
sam 01/02/20 12:27 pm esp. middle
sam 01/02/20 12:27 pm probably doenst make sense to do that with ppl
making 300/month.. we'll have to pay that to
someone else anywyas
bryant 01/02/20 12:28 pm Exactly. The ones making 2000-4000 are
sam 01/02/20 12:29 pm although stas was making 18k/month.. and we
got him down to 25k total..saved 150k :) tim
helped me on that :) (aah_
bryant 01/02/20 12:30 pm Big drop. Stas has been an odd one all along
with us running it.
sam 01/02/20 12:31 pm well mostly our techs dropped the ball
somewhat on it.. :/ i was just on the phone
3way w/ nate & s4r guys.. plan to have 99%
uptime within 24 hours.. actino steps, etc.
bryant 01/02/20 12:32 pm That will help a lot.
sam 01/02/20 12:33 pm never have techies project manage :)
bryant 01/02/20 12:35 pm That will help a lot.
bryant 01/02/20 12:36 pm Heh. Hmm, ICQ is being flakey.
sam 01/02/20 12:38 pm also going forward, i know what w'ere going to
do with payables no matter what
bryant 01/02/20 12:38 pm What's that?
sam 01/02/20 12:38 pm we'll always pay everyone something, no matter
how small.. so that way it keeps them going
sam 01/02/20 12:40 pm and less complains.. and the news is alrady
sam 01/02/20 12:41 pm as we have the $.. so we dont have a major
crises again..but more of a one on one
situation..as the cash warrants.. easier to
manage.. and no image to protect now :)
sam 02/02/20 12:50 pm update?
sam 02/02/20 12:50 pm any offers for me to look at?
bryant 02/02/20 1:11 pm mame.dk is willing to come down from what we
surrently owe them per month which is 31.5k
down to 23.5k and both lower and cap any
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm 23k??????
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm we've never paid them that
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm they are on crack
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm they are earning ZERO right now
bryant 02/02/20 1:11 pm According to their contract we currently owe
them 31.5k a month.
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm no webguide.. and we told everyone we're
counting webguide impressions as of december
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm how do you calculate?
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm 26MM PVs.
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm nope
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm ?
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm we told everyone we count by webguide
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm their webguide pageviews = ZERO
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm They have no issue putting the webguide up and
being compliant in the future.
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm well they havent made anything in january
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm we told everyone on december 15th
bryant 02/02/20 1:13 pm We don't host them btw, I presume you know
that. They cover their own hosting at
sam 02/02/20 1:13 pm thats their problem really.. its all illegal
bryant 02/02/20 1:13 pm Agree.
bryant 02/02/20 1:14 pm SA is also willing to come down on his pay
level. But he too wants a firm plan on how
payments are going to come.
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm btw, do you know we're using the webguide
impressoins? the stuff they see on
efrontsupport is only their banner impressions
bryant 02/02/20 1:15 pm I know we told people that.
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm we'll give everyone a report soon on what
their webguide counts were
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm for january
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm also mame has not put srunner or anything
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm lets work on an offer sheet for them and you
can present it
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm anyone else?
bryant 02/02/20 1:17 pm BabyNames folks are still talking. iSwoosh is
fine with $2800 but is also concerned about
sam 02/02/20 1:17 pm iswoosh.. whats the issue, what are we
bryant 02/02/20 1:17 pm Don't know where Brian is with IndianMasala,
was going to follow up with him tomorrow.
bryant 02/02/20 1:18 pm He felt we owed about $4k for his mailing
lists, we say $2800. He's agreed to take
$2800 and go, but he also wants to talk about
his back pay.
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm does he want the sites back?
bryant 02/02/20 1:19 pm He's willing to either leave, or stick around
under a new contract. If he sticks around, he
wants the mailing list back.
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm did you tell him chapter 11 or anything
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm my goal is to get him outta here, no backpay..
take the site back and call it even
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm is that doable under any scenario you can
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm any angle :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:20 pm That's what we'll tell him we're willing to
do. I suspect he'll take it.
bryant 02/02/20 1:20 pm Witht he $2800 that is.
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm okay.. next?
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm btw, im trying to pull up mame stats
sam 02/02/20 1:21 pm you're saying he has 26 mil pageviews/month
bryant 02/02/20 1:21 pm That's basically it. I saw the Megagames
emails. Not sure where you want to go with
that. Sub-net contract still seems to be
bryant 02/02/20 1:21 pm Somewhere in there, yes. We've looked at it
closely too and it all seems legit.
sam 02/02/20 1:21 pm megagames.. well i dunno.. good email huh :)
well imnot sure.. i just wanted to set the
tone and give you leverage
bryant 02/02/20 1:22 pm Expected some form of cheating, but there are
bryant 02/02/20 1:22 pm Good ratios, no indication of placing banners
on other sites, etc.
sam 02/02/20 1:22 pm of course those are non-payable pageviews
since he doesnt have webguide, but that was
for january.. moving forward, anyway we can
cap mame.dk to 10k?
sam 02/02/20 1:22 pm of course, his ctr% suck
bryant 02/02/20 1:23 pm They claim that doesn't cover the hosting.
Then again, they say they're under an NDA on
what they pay for hosting and can't tell us.
bryant 02/02/20 1:23 pm We can get them to 10k or even less if we host
bryant 02/02/20 1:23 pm But that's more than we want.
sam 02/02/20 1:23 pm they OWN their own isp haha
sam 02/02/20 1:23 pm so its free
sam 02/02/20 1:24 pm we can host them.. but they cant putillegal
roms as downloads on our servers:)
sam 02/02/20 1:24 pm its better for us to put the html on our
servers.. so we have control
sam 02/02/20 1:24 pm so make a deal.. 10k tops.. we host it.. of
course, we're not goign to allow rom downloads
on our servers.. so they have to link off
sam 02/02/20 1:24 pm and we got our 10k
sam 02/02/20 1:24 pm hows that sound.. is that too sneaky :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:25 pm Might work, certainly no harm in trying.
sam 02/02/20 1:26 pm if they agree to wipe the past payments as
well.. and make it a one year contract, we
vest more shares
sam 02/02/20 1:26 pm does that work
bryant 02/02/20 1:26 pm It may, I'll take it to them. We willing to
let them go?
sam 02/02/20 1:27 pm sure.. but tell them sponsors suck out there..
noone is accepting anything..worst case, we'll
have to let them go.. or we'll be filing
chapter 11.. they're welcome to try to hunt
for sponsors themselves
(also all paymetns will be net 60)
bryant 02/02/20 1:27 pm OK, we'll see what they say. Have a call
already set up with them.
sam 02/02/20 1:28 pm this is fun huh :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:28 pm Heh, not sure fun is the word. It's
interesting and necessary at the least.
sam 02/02/20 1:28 pm next?
bryant 02/02/20 1:29 pm That's all the action at present more or less.
Any idea where sub-net contract might be?
sam 02/02/20 1:29 pm ill find it.. it might be under 'seekmp3'
sam 02/02/20 1:29 pm i renegotiated poor Johan twice alread
bryant 02/02/20 1:29 pm Ah, ok. I'll drop Kevin a line about that.
sam 02/02/20 1:29 pm it was @ 3cpm first (chris howard deal)
bryant 02/02/20 1:29 pm Oh yeah - that one.
bryant 02/02/20 1:29 pm Want to leave him alone then?
sam 02/02/20 1:30 pm my plan was to take all the other 1 year mp3
sam 02/02/20 1:30 pm and give them to johan to mantain
sam 02/02/20 1:30 pm and tell him he has to maintain the traffic
sam 02/02/20 1:30 pm so all mp3 sites are under him
bryant 02/02/20 1:30 pm Sounds like a decent plan. Still doing it?
sam 02/02/20 1:30 pm yup.. just need to work the other mp3
sites..buy'em out or whatever
sam 02/02/20 1:31 pm he is 'on our team' meaning one of our
emploees then..and he puts srunner or anything
sam 02/02/20 1:31 pm my ultimate plan to have like 10
super-webmasters..that run our sites and
deploy whatever we need easy and fast
bryant 02/02/20 1:31 pm Brian asked if we're comfortable trading
equity on some ratio for cash on some of these
sam 02/02/20 1:31 pm yes of course
bryant 02/02/20 1:31 pm Figured.
sam 02/02/20 1:32 pm but we want to shorten the timeframe, reduce
the cash, net 60, etc.
sam 02/02/20 1:32 pm trying to cram it all together
bryant 02/02/20 1:32 pm Right.
sam 02/02/20 1:32 pm u know what happend to snowbball today right
sam 02/02/20 1:32 pm blank ads
bryant 02/02/20 1:32 pm Yeah, saw the PR.
sam 02/02/20 1:32 pm all that goes to help us
bryant 02/02/20 1:32 pm Makes us look a little more friendly to our
webmasters. That's some nasty stuff over
sam 02/02/20 1:33 pm yeah.. we do some weak stuff too because of
the market.. but our webmastrs are all
sticking it out..
sam 02/02/20 1:33 pm so we must not be that bad
bryant 02/02/20 1:33 pm BN wants to know how were handling our
payables to the law firm, CAIS, etc. She's
worried about sticking around only to have us
sued and BK. Thoughts?
bryant 02/02/20 1:33 pm What we're doing is better than what most of
those other groups are.
bryant 02/02/20 1:34 pm Only area I hear complaints about is lack of
sam 02/02/20 1:34 pm thats a tough one.. actually we're going to be
suing CAIs ourselves..
sam 02/02/20 1:34 pm pillsubury has equity in efront and works with
sam 02/02/20 1:34 pm good relationship
bryant 02/02/20 1:34 pm OK, that will help appease her.
sam 02/02/20 1:34 pm CAIS provided no service to us whatsoeve.r.and
we're drafting documents to sue them right nw
bryant 02/02/20 1:34 pm Wouldn't be in their best interests to hurt
what they have equity in.
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm yeah exactky
bryant 02/02/20 1:35 pm Cool, actually that will help a lot.
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm if you can reduce the monthly payments
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm and get rid of the 2 ml etc
bryant 02/02/20 1:35 pm She seems willing to address all the issues.
Her out, her value guarantee, and her pay.
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm offer them their site back against BK
bryant 02/02/20 1:35 pm Still talking with her team though.
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm i would give their site back to them ni a
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm if something happens
sam 02/02/20 1:35 pm to us
bryant 02/02/20 1:36 pm Right, np. I told her that our previous offer
to walk should be a good enough indication
that we always work with people even if it
sometimes goes outside the contract. She
seemed to accept that.
sam 02/02/20 1:37 pm any idea on how you would do megagames?
bryant 02/02/20 1:37 pm Brian is going to approach a battery of
mid-range sites tomorrow and over the weekend
sam 02/02/20 1:38 pm information gathering and tsuff would be great
sam 02/02/20 1:38 pm then we can talk about deal terms, points,
sam 02/02/20 1:38 pm and go back and make them
sam 02/02/20 1:38 pm that builds rapports and stuff ,..and seems
like we're doing it slowly.. the 3 G's:
Go over Offer
Get it done
bryant 02/02/20 1:38 pm Same as the rest. The approach we've been
using a bit is basically establishing the
obvious elements - poor market, banners dead,
competitors dying, etc. etc. - and letting
them find their own way to what we want to do.
SA offered to drop his pay without me ever
directly bringing it up.
sam 02/02/20 1:39 pm really? :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:39 pm Seems to be working this way, also serves to
make them feel like they're more part of the
team by getting involved.
sam 02/02/20 1:39 pm i think realistically, we shouldnt pay anyone
more than what they can make as a good salary
bryant 02/02/20 1:39 pm We're definitely channeling them towards the
goals, but letting them work towards it in
their own heads.
sam 02/02/20 1:39 pm i mean a real nice comfy slaary
bryant 02/02/20 1:40 pm Right. Most so far seem completely on board
sam 02/02/20 1:40 pm tlel them that.. hey you're doing this, you're
not struggling.. comfy lifestyle
sam 02/02/20 1:40 pm any thougts on megagames?
bryant 02/02/20 1:41 pm Was just rebrowsing the emails. I think a
very similar approach. "Things you can do to
not just help yourself, but all the other
sam 02/02/20 1:41 pm Megagames goals:
Help us on revenue projects.
what do ut hink
sam 02/02/20 1:41 pm yeah
bryant 02/02/20 1:41 pm Part of that of course being 100% and instant
bryant 02/02/20 1:42 pm Going to suggest that the struggle we're
having now could have been prevented or at
least lessened had people knuckled down and
participated instead of standing around
bryant 02/02/20 1:42 pm They know what it's like to not see money now
- that should be a strong motivator to help
make sure it doesn't happen again.
sam 02/02/20 1:43 pm yeah.. and that its not too late.. but we need
to streamling and cut costs as the market
doesnt support this
bryant 02/02/20 1:43 pm It's like Jerry Maguire - "Help me, help you".
sam 02/02/20 1:43 pm yeah
were u surprised by megagames's reply
bryant 02/02/20 1:43 pm I was actually.
bryant 02/02/20 1:43 pm Rolled over with his tail between his legs
sam 02/02/20 1:44 pm well most of the things we said was true, hows
he going to argue bout that :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:44 pm Which is good, he's on weak ground to argue
sam 02/02/20 1:44 pm he did actually work rpetty hard
bryant 02/02/20 1:44 pm He didn't comply period. Helped dig this hole
we're in. No defense for that.
sam 02/02/20 1:44 pm i believehim on that
bryant 02/02/20 1:44 pm Oh I know - I think he's going to be easier
than we thought to be honest.
sam 02/02/20 1:44 pm yeah.. the trick for him would be to kill the
past payables or somethign
sam 02/02/20 1:45 pm tell him he's already getting it with the ipo
sam 02/02/20 1:45 pm or add it to the end of the contract
bryant 02/02/20 1:45 pm Or at least defer all or most till a liquidity
bryant 02/02/20 1:45 pm Right.
sam 02/02/20 1:45 pm and pay him 20 or 25k/month.. that we can
afford that on a consistent basis
sam 02/02/20 1:45 pm every penny saved helps :)
sam 02/02/20 1:45 pm our goal is 150k/month payable
bryant 02/02/20 1:45 pm I think he'll be fine on that front. We'll
bryant 02/02/20 1:46 pm Getting him down on $ that is.
sam 02/02/20 1:46 pm 25/150 = 16%
sam 02/02/20 1:46 pm 50/300 = 16%
bryant 02/02/20 1:46 pm Does someone have a breakdown of what we owe
every site for Jan?
bryant 02/02/20 1:47 pm Bill S. maybe?
sam 02/02/20 1:47 pm yeah jonathan has to put the traffic stuff
together and get matt's help in coutning the
webguides per site
sam 02/02/20 1:47 pm no.. it starts from traffic first
sam 02/02/20 1:47 pm traffic calculates web guide impressions per
sam 02/02/20 1:47 pm then gives to bill s. and he plugs it into his
bryant 02/02/20 1:47 pm OK cool - I'll touch base with Jon then. It
will be a big help to see exactly how it's all
going to add up and where best to come down
sam 02/02/20 1:47 pm yup
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm im actively driving the sales guys
bryant 02/02/20 1:48 pm That spreadsheet will be the biggest help I
think. Time frame on that?
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm on the direct marketing
bryant 02/02/20 1:48 pm Yeah, we've given EFG some really solid leads.
Sounds like they're panning out but hard to
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm hmm.. ask jonathan to get the right ppl
involved and give us a timeframe.. hopefully
by next mon/tues?
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm yeah .. efg is the most shakiest one
bryant 02/02/20 1:48 pm OK, will do and will let you know.
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm not really sure on that
sam 02/02/20 1:48 pm we're cutting more payroll too
sam 02/02/20 1:49 pm 200 right now
sam 02/02/20 1:49 pm we're out sourcing accounting & hr
bryant 02/02/20 1:49 pm Mike heading out then? I know his name has
come up before.
sam 02/02/20 1:49 pm nad i told bill s. to keep the core ppl,
accounting, and take 150k and deduct it.. then
tell me how much we have to cut
sam 02/02/20 1:50 pm basiclaly, i want bill s. to say ok we need to
cut 30k or whatever to come up to 150k in
sam 02/02/20 1:50 pm then we'll go through and try to make cuts
bryant 02/02/20 1:50 pm Right.
sam 02/02/20 1:50 pm probably mike, rad, chris h. maybe, maybe
sam 02/02/20 1:50 pm people who arent producing/contributing
sam 02/02/20 1:50 pm as much as they could
bryant 02/02/20 1:51 pm What's our plan on the next payout to
sam 02/02/20 1:51 pm im pretty sure we can come upto 150k..and we
have to pay everyone something.. otherwise,
things build up
bryant 02/02/20 1:51 pm Not 2/19 - whatever's after.
sam 02/02/20 1:51 pm well im gonig to settle w/ about.com and get
that out to the webmasters
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm oh u mean after
bryant 02/02/20 1:52 pm Yeah.
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm i want to make it net 60
bryant 02/02/20 1:52 pm One of the most common questions.
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm and the goal is to get past payment lumped
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm and we're building up our nonbanner revnues
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm so the a/r should take care of it when the net
60 kicks in
sam 02/02/20 1:52 pm so our timing would work well
sam 02/02/20 1:53 pm and we dont have the baggage of the hit we
dtook with killing our banner business
sam 02/02/20 1:53 pm and we turned things around fast
bryant 02/02/20 1:53 pm Yeah, I've basically benn telling them that a
lot of that depends on webmaster willingness
to make some relatively minor changes for the
good of both their peers and the company (thus
their own checks).
sam 02/02/20 1:53 pm makes for a good spin and story on why we need
net 60 and why we need to lump it at the end
sam 02/02/20 1:53 pm everything has to flow..and ppl have to see a
light at the end of the tunnel
bryant 02/02/20 1:53 pm benn=been.
sam 02/02/20 1:53 pm if february payments arent due until april 30
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm and 150k
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm we'd be in awesome shape
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm awesome awesome
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm dont u think
bryant 02/02/20 1:54 pm Absolutely. Clearly that's what we'll shoot
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm i'd like to be able to renegotiate w/ everyone
and pay them
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm after we negotiate
sam 02/02/20 1:54 pm so that brings them to the table
bryant 02/02/20 1:55 pm Right
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm in terms of negotiating with us :)
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm this could work real nicely
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm pretty good plan huh?
bryant 02/02/20 1:55 pm Good opportunity to clean a little house too.
bryant 02/02/20 1:55 pm Some sites can just plain go.
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm yup exactly.. and i want to kill our websites
to like 125
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm from all
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm i put a good list together
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm in my proposal to about.. ill fwd to u
sam 02/02/20 1:55 pm just a sec
sam 02/02/20 1:56 pm i spent 4 hours doing that yesterday
bryant 02/02/20 1:56 pm Wow. Great though, all the extra vision we
sam 02/02/20 1:56 pm check your email.. interesting
sam 02/02/20 1:59 pm i took our 125 best sites and categorized
them..and added a description to each site :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:59 pm Yeah, that's a great list. I'll
cross-reference that with the other data I
have to give a better idea of who gets a
litlle more rope, or a little less.
bryant 02/02/20 2:00 pm The sites that can go are going to be simple.
We'll simply make whatever offer suits us
best. They can take it or leave it. Little
to no dialog needed.
bryant 02/02/20 2:03 pm Anyway, time for more pills. Going to get
running. We should be talking with Megagames
tomorrow (going to pull Jon in since he closed
him). Will let you know how that goes, and
when we should see the traffic data pulled
into the spreadsheet.
bryant 02/02/20 2:03 pm 'night.
sam 02/02/20 2:06 pm sounds good..thanks!
sam 02/02/20 2:06 pm feel free to msg me if u need anything. ..
this is priority stuff..cya
sam 04/02/20 7:03 am hey Will hows it going..any update?
sam 04/02/20 7:05 am i'd like to offer $1cpm per daily unique user
bryant 04/02/20 7:07 am Nothing of any real significance to report
yet. Progress on BN and SA. Brian's working
with IndianMasala but they aren't happy. Put
together a list of sites for him to jump on,
going to go over everything in greater detail
with him this weekend when he's back online.
bryant 04/02/20 7:08 am $1cpm per unique translates to $0.17cpm on PVs
for most of our sites. I'd like to get them
for that too but we probably can't.
sam 04/02/20 7:08 am im talking to Tim eckel right now
sam 04/02/20 7:08 am he said valueclick is not accepting any more
sam 04/02/20 7:08 am nonags wants back in
sam 04/02/20 7:09 am i think the market rate out there is about 10
sam 04/02/20 7:09 am what do you estimte
bryant 04/02/20 7:09 am For RON stuff I think it is too.
sam 04/02/20 7:11 am so anything above that we'd be losing out :)
bryant 04/02/20 7:21 am I guess it depends on the site. RON levels
don't represent what an average level is for
sites with RON + placed sales. PA for example
will likely be close to a 2cpm in Feb despite
a .10cpm (or so) RON level.
sam 04/02/20 7:21 am really? how will PA make 2cp
bryant 04/02/20 7:21 am Direct sales.
sam 04/02/20 7:21 am will they be able to do it every month on a
long term basis
bryant 04/02/20 7:22 am Certainly not. Or at least I don't believe
so. They of course do, but time will prove
sam 04/02/20 7:22 am they're still running our banners.. weird
bryant 04/02/20 7:22 am Then again, market should start to readjust
to. We're as low as it's going to get right
sam 04/02/20 7:23 am never mind.. that was my cache
bryant 04/02/20 7:23 am I think they're completely down right now.
sam 04/02/20 7:24 am you think? i think wwe're going to get even
lower.. that banner advertising wont even
exist for indepdant sites
sam 04/02/20 7:24 am i just cant see how :)
bryant 04/02/20 7:24 am Even the ad networks are going to have to go
beyond the banner. Much below .10cpm though
and it's not worth anyones bother.
bryant 04/02/20 7:25 am But independants can't survive on their own
for long, totally agree with you there.
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am yeah.. u know if we have to lose some of the
sites, so be it
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am we can pick them up cheaply
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am after they leave and teest the market
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am and see that its bad
bryant 04/02/20 7:25 am Yep.
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am nonags already emailed me
sam 04/02/20 7:25 am ill fwd to u.. its funny
bryant 04/02/20 7:27 am Heh, how was he inflating?
sam 04/02/20 7:27 am he wasnt
sam 04/02/20 7:27 am probably refrsh rates
sam 04/02/20 7:28 am that he was used to when he was with us
sam 04/02/20 7:28 am we sent jennifer money friday
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am jerry called and said she was going to
cooperate in everyway
bryant 04/02/20 7:29 am Yeah, Jerry told me. I think she's going to
really come through. We'll see.
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am and reduce the payments too
bryant 04/02/20 7:29 am Yep.
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am hope she does..
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am have u had a chance to analyze the sites and
come up w/ a game plan.. like what we want
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am i think we can add 3 more resources.. to cover
all the site
sam 04/02/20 7:29 am tim, myself, and scott p.
sam 04/02/20 7:30 am what i'd like to do is go through the
spreadsheet..and enter a column as to the
different scenarios.. and what we want.. and
send that to everyone .. and assign the sites
to everyone's names
bryant 04/02/20 7:30 am I think it's just a matter of trying to go
through all of the special cases one by one
and get them to come down. Once we do that we
probably want to deal witht he bulk sites in
sam 04/02/20 7:30 am so everyone has a global idea of everything
bryant 04/02/20 7:31 am Right now our focus is simply to reduce money
and as a secondary, get nonworkable clauses
off of the contracts.
sam 04/02/20 7:31 am ya
sam 04/02/20 7:36 am $1 cpm per daily unique = $50k/month in
sam 04/02/20 7:36 am our goal is 150k/month webmaster expenses tops
sam 04/02/20 7:36 am so we could go as high as $3cpm
sam 04/02/20 7:37 am per daily unique
sam 04/02/20 7:37 am and if there are some higher than $3cpm.. than
we'd have to get some lower
sam 04/02/20 7:38 am 2 mil daily visitors * 30 days = 60 mil/month
* $2.5 cpm = 150k
sam 04/02/20 7:38 am hows that sound
sam 04/02/20 7:38 am thats at least logical
sam 04/02/20 7:38 am and can work with our model.. otherwise we
wont be able to make payments on a consistent
bryant 04/02/20 7:38 am We're better served just to deal with everyone
all at once in that case.
sam 04/02/20 7:39 am you know if we deal w/ everyone @ once, we're
likely to risk class action.. and news posts
sam 04/02/20 7:39 am if we send mass emails
sam 04/02/20 7:39 am dont u think
sam 04/02/20 7:39 am also, we have to remind them that 100k/month
is used for servers, bandwidth, technical
sam 04/02/20 7:40 am so theoreticlly, we're allocating 250k for
bryant 04/02/20 7:40 am Raises the risk, certainly. They communicate
enough with one another though that there may
be a greater risk to take that to them
individually and they figure out that it's
bryant 04/02/20 7:40 am Thinking about it though, mass emails are a
sam 04/02/20 7:40 am ya i wouldnt risk mass emails.. eeee
sam 04/02/20 7:40 am however,
sam 04/02/20 7:40 am if we have a good plan and stuff
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am we can immobilize like 10 of our people
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am and divide up the webmater list
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am with the same consistent plan
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am so they dont have to negotiate
Great work, Joker!
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am but rather persuade
bryant 04/02/20 7:41 am What this means of course is that we'll lose
the good sites and keep the weak ones.
bryant 04/02/20 7:41 am Strong sites will go off and test the market.
May well come back, but they'll go.
sam 04/02/20 7:41 am we'll make exceptions for strong site
sam 04/02/20 7:42 am and try to get the weak sites to below 2.5
sam 04/02/20 7:42 am so we average 2.5
sam 04/02/20 7:43 am that means like megagames makes 15k instead of
sam 04/02/20 7:43 am not too bad
bryant 04/02/20 7:44 am Here's an example of where our problems will
be. Babynames has 759k viewers. Even at a
10cpmU it's less than 1/2 where she is now.
Put her at a 5 it's $3795.00, at 3 it's
sam 04/02/20 7:44 am yeah i see .. she was an expensive site huh
sam 04/02/20 7:44 am well, we might have to make an exception for
bryant 04/02/20 7:45 am Lemme go through and plug that model in to see
where it works nicely and where we'll have
bryant 04/02/20 7:45 am I've got all the data in front of me.
sam 04/02/20 7:45 am perfect.. im going through the stuff too..
bryant 04/02/20 7:45 am Only thing I'm missing is what we pay some of
these guys now. But hopefully Bill will have
something on that this week.
sam 04/02/20 7:46 am i can help u w/ that if u need somehting
sam 04/02/20 7:46 am did you ever get the esimtation from bill that
was sent like 2-3 weeks ago
bryant 04/02/20 7:46 am For Megagames it would actually be a good
model. 6MM viewers would be $15k as you said.
That's not too bad.
sam 04/02/20 7:50 am works good for altavista too
sam 04/02/20 8:06 am did you get the email concerning astalavista
sam 04/02/20 8:14 am guess what
sam 04/02/20 8:14 am i got someone to bite already
sam 04/02/20 8:15 am on $2 cpm
sam 04/02/20 8:15 am big site
sam 04/02/20 8:36 am should we make the monthly payout variable?
meaning that up or down, $1 to $2.5 cpm on the
dialy uniques.. or should we keep the same
sam 04/02/20 8:36 am and have a max
sam 04/02/20 8:45 am Moreaulf: (4:43 PM) Hi sam.
It's going allright. the $500 saved me for
Exitpopup running on the new datacenter
Gamepages under move now.
How's it going for you? eFront?
sam: (4:43 PM) its going okay.. really
difficult.. ad market is very bad.. even
valueclick is not taking more clients
sam: (4:44 PM) we probably have to renegotiate
everyones contracts..or we wont be able to
sam: (4:44 PM) :/
Moreaulf: (4:44 PM) I hear it from all over :(
Feels like it's no use not even having banners
on the pages somehow. It cost more than it
gives to try get
sam 04/02/20 8:46 am [this is the way im approaching things.. and
lot of sympathetic ears out there]
sam 05/02/20 12:48 am any thoughts on the email? i was going to add
ac ouple more things but wanted to run it by u
sam 05/02/20 1:49 am iBLAMEj00: (9:45 AM) I got 0.63% CTR with cj
and .52% with valueclick.
iBLAMEj00: (9:45 AM) How about just make it
required that ads can't be placed at the top
or the bottom.
sam 05/02/20 1:53 am oops to the wrong person
sam 05/02/20 7:04 am were u able to talk to brian this weekend
bryant 05/02/20 7:07 am No, he hasn't been on. I sent him some ICQs
and emails, but not sure if he got them.
Going to see if I can track him down tomorrow
so I can go over strategem at least on the
sites he has.
sam 05/02/20 7:08 am ive done 3 sites already.. easy
sam 05/02/20 7:09 am one of the webmasters wants to work for us
$200/month or so.. so i asked him to
renegotiate .. and ill give him some euroipean
sites.. he's excited..then afterwards, he'll
work for g3 and deploy stuff..anything.. just
go in the website code and change stuff when
we need to
sam 05/02/20 7:10 am i just need to get a contract ready i think
sam 05/02/20 7:21 am we're very close on megagames.. tim & i are
working.. he agreed to $ /unique.. just
getting the price lower.
mame.dk would probably agree to it too
sam 05/02/20 12:11 pm we have a sweet proposal we're working out w/
sam 06/02/20 12:20 pm please give me a recap of todays negotiations
sam 06/02/20 12:47 pm but anyways, to recap, here's how i want the
contracts to incorporate the backpay:
1. Retroactive with the new schedule until
they got paid last.
2. Take it as lump sum thats payable @ the end
of their contract.
If they doint agree to new payment terms, here
are the options:
1. They can walk -- no hard feelings; we're
even. We'll provide another month or so of
2. They can take the banners and we do the
non-banner creatives + free hosting
I want all contracts to began @ no later than
Basically, tell them that if we don't get
everyone's cooperationg, we might have to file
Chapter 11 because the market has changed and
we cant be in business if our expenses are
higher than what banner revrenues make. It's
worse out there then they think; even
valueclick wont accept new customers.
sam 08/02/20 6:48 am update?
bryant 08/02/20 9:20 am Beyond the numbers I told you yesterday,
AthlonOC wants out, theSeek, Riva3D, Classical
and Astalavista seem to want to stay.
sam 08/02/20 10:03 am we'll accomodate athoc most likely
sam 08/02/20 1:14 pm i had a few q's toi ask u about the addendum
sam 08/02/20 1:14 pm almost done getting them drafted
sam 09/02/20 6:42 pm hey
sam 10/02/20 1:14 am are you there? btw, almost done w/ the
addendum.. need to have it proofed.
Will, we have another deal structure that came
up.. you might want to take a look at it.
bryant 10/02/20 1:35 am Yeah, where is it?
sam 10/02/20 1:49 am basically, the deal came up w/ freeskills.com
been working with andy
sam 10/02/20 1:49 am they had 100k and they were just going to ride
it out and not budge
sam 10/02/20 1:52 am after a long battle, this was agreed to:
sam 10/02/20 1:52 am * no ipo clause, no returning the site, no $$
back to them, no monthly payments to them,
they dont work on the site anymore
* we give them a % of the site's revenue as
royalty forever (5%)
sam 10/02/20 1:53 am what do u think of that structure :)
bryant 10/02/20 1:53 am I always get a little fidgety around the term
"forever" in contracts, but other than that
it's a pretty sweet deal.
sam 10/02/20 1:54 am i agree.. but its like software royalty or
something.. perpetualy royalty
sam 10/02/20 1:54 am the sites that want to walk, maybe we dcan
throw this at them
bryant 10/02/20 1:54 am Yeah, I agree. I think it's a great deal.
bryant 10/02/20 1:54 am Heh, for us anyway.
sam 10/02/20 1:55 am i know.. andy and i were fighting with them
all morning.. theyre making my bronchtitis
sam 10/02/20 1:55 am and they suggested it.. and i told andy
great.. pounce on it right away :)
bryant 10/02/20 1:55 am Heh, a little slice of my life there!
Bronchitis is fun stuff.
sam 10/02/20 1:55 am its getting really bad.. hard to breathe.. and
lot of coughing
sam 10/02/20 1:56 am did yours ever go away?
bryant 10/02/20 1:56 am Yeah, I basically perpetually have it.
sam 10/02/20 1:56 am oh really
bryant 10/02/20 1:56 am It goes away here and there if I take antis,
but only for a week or so. Then it's back.
sam 10/02/20 1:56 am i havent seen a doctor yet.. maybe i should
bryant 10/02/20 1:56 am Oh yeah.
bryant 10/02/20 1:57 am I don't mess around with that stuff anymore.
All my problems started with the flu. I blew
it off and it snowballed. =)
bryant 10/02/20 1:57 am Steam helps a lot. So if it gets real bad
take a hot shower or bath.
sam 10/02/20 1:58 am i just did .. i feel better.. btw, i think it
bronchtitis.. whats the symptoms
bryant 10/02/20 1:59 am You can feel it down in your chest/bronchial
tubes. It almost feels like you've sucked a
little water down, esp when you take a deep
breath. Lots of coughing, difficulty
breathing, sometimes you lose you voice a bit.
bryant 10/02/20 1:59 am You can either be coughing stuff up or not.
bryant 10/02/20 2:00 am Doc will put you on Amoxicillin or Biaxin or
something. Should clear up in a few days.
bryant 10/02/20 2:00 am They don't have the first clue how to beat
mine. Mostly because they have no idea what's
sam 10/02/20 2:01 am that sounds like mine.. i cant develop it in 2
days can i ?
sam 10/02/20 2:02 am i should go to the doc today
bryant 10/02/20 2:02 am Only real danger is bronchitis turning into
pneumonia. Other than that it's just a pain
in the ass.
sam 10/02/20 2:02 am after i get u the addendum:)
bryant 10/02/20 2:02 am Oh sure - any cold or flu can turn quickly
bryant 10/02/20 2:02 am Tons of water helps too.
bryant 10/02/20 2:02 am Heh.
sam 10/02/20 2:03 am my heater in the apartment sux too
sam 10/02/20 2:03 am when its on i cant breathe
sam 10/02/20 2:04 am maybe it has bacteria?
bryant 10/02/20 2:04 am What kind of heater?
bryant 10/02/20 2:04 am Is it also a humidifier of any sort?
sam 10/02/20 2:06 am no.. just central heating
bryant 10/02/20 2:08 am Hard to say. Could just be the dry air
though. I can't go to the mall, movie
theaters or anything like that - dry air shuts
me down instantly. Last movie I saw was
Remember the Titans, literally took me a week
bryant 10/02/20 2:08 am Make sure to tell the doc about the breathing
problems with the hot air on.
sam 10/02/20 2:08 am really? wow.. and i was actually enjoying
benig sick so i get to stay home for the first
time in forever
bryant 10/02/20 2:09 am Heh
sam 10/02/20 2:09 am i should really take care of this thing then
sam 10/02/20 2:09 am secretly, i was wishing it got worse:)
bryant 10/02/20 2:09 am Heh
bryant 10/02/20 2:09 am As long as it doesn't stick around forever
that wouldn't be too bad.
sam 10/02/20 2:10 am ok i msged drazen to pick me up to go to the
doctor.. let me get the addendum over. any
other updates on the other sies?
bryant 10/02/20 2:10 am Nothing huge, most everyone is willing to stay
happily. I'm trying to knock out BabyNames
and maybe SomethingAwful today.
sam 10/02/20 2:10 am oh btw, jerry was telling me SA wants to work
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am and i told jerry then Will can do a two in one
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am make him an employee and his site comes along
bryant 10/02/20 2:11 am Asta is willing to take a $ cut, have to deal
with him over email - phone call didn't go so
well. Neither one of us knew what the other
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am and jerry said it would take some doing but it
could be doable
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am hehe
bryant 10/02/20 2:11 am OK, I'll put some thought into how that might
work with SA.
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am i definitely wnanna keep asta.. great unique
sam 10/02/20 2:11 am i thought about this for SA:
bryant 10/02/20 2:11 am Yeah, he seems to want to stay.
sam 10/02/20 2:12 am 25k uniques * 30 = 750k * 2.5cpm = 1600
add another 2000 or something for salary
3600/month or even 4000/month = 48k/year w/
sam 10/02/20 2:12 am that way we can pay him more than what we'd
pay him normally
bryant 10/02/20 2:12 am Do we have an idea of what he would be doing?
sam 10/02/20 2:13 am ill fwd uy the msg from jerry
bryant 10/02/20 2:13 am ok cool.
sam 10/02/20 2:30 am does that give u an idea of how jerry wants to
use him? im not sure if it will work myself..
sam 10/02/20 2:30 am but hey we reduce the $
sam 10/02/20 2:31 am are u sure his contract says 2cpm?
bryant 10/02/20 2:31 am It doesn't say that, but it works out to that.
sam 10/02/20 2:32 am 6 million pageviews and 12k/month?
bryant 10/02/20 2:32 am 8m/16k a month I think.
sam 10/02/20 8:43 am hey came back form the doc..long line..they
gave me medicine..
sam 10/02/20 8:43 am coughs died down a little bit:) just been on
the phone collectinng, etc.
sam 10/02/20 8:44 am ill send u the addendum soonnn.. :) btw, scott
p. is working on 4-5 deals (ad contracts) and
maybe you can take the sites assigned to him
and divide it between u and brian if you guys
are on pace alrady
sam 10/02/20 8:44 am since u guys are on pace..and we dont want to
teach him about all this in a short time..and
i'd rather he concentrate on revenues..and u
guys are making good progress alread
bryant 10/02/20 8:45 am Yeah, no problem at all. Was he on the
spreadsheet you sent or was it just Brian,
myself you and Tim?
sam 10/02/20 8:45 am he was on it too
bryant 10/02/20 8:45 am OK cool. I'll coordinate with Brian and we'll
split those up. Revenues are good.
sam 10/02/20 8:46 am yeah.. im having him pursue ad networks and
about.com type of deads.. he's having good
luck with b2bworks.com, engageb2b, and
work.com.. the hot deals
sam 10/02/20 8:48 am Bman: (4:46 PM) I have been swapping calls
with a lawyer type who wants to help us settle
our payables. I want to offer 10% to akamai,
alexa, global center, maybe cais and a couple
sam: (4:47 PM) how much doe he want?
sam: (4:48 PM) btw, Will Bryant seems very
good at that kind of stuff.. maybe he can do
that, if the lawyer wants too much
[you might want to talk to Bill S. to see if
its something u can do :]
bryant 10/02/20 8:50 am Will do. Might be worth trying in-house
before we pay an atty.
sam 10/02/20 10:54 am can u give me joanna's icq
sam 10/02/20 10:54 am (im @ home)
sam 13/02/20 8:26 am will i added lkanguage to cancel
sam 13/02/20 8:27 am did you see that
bryant 13/02/20 8:28 am Yeah, it looks good - although we may have to
doctor that a bit for some people. BabyNames
for example wants to retain an out in the
event of a BK.
sam 13/02/20 8:28 am yup.. no prob
bryant 13/02/20 8:28 am Like the clause though - for the most part it
means less doctoring on the individual deals.
sam 13/02/20 8:28 am can u handle that (doctoring it up for special
also, we want to stricken out all the IPO
bryant 13/02/20 8:29 am Certainly.
sam 13/02/20 8:30 am im trying to get a hold of the about guys..
we're going to accept their last offer @ 215k
(they owe us double that).. cuz we dont have
time.. and payroll is due:)
sam 13/02/20 8:30 am so we should be getting that out soon as well
bryant 14/02/20 8:24 am I've got something on SA - want me to run
through it real quick?
sam 14/02/20 8:24 am yes
bryant 14/02/20 8:25 am We can have him FT plus have him continue
working on SA (both during and more outside
the normal workday) for a little less than $6k
bryant 14/02/20 8:25 am It basically works out to $24k a year for the
site, $45k a year for the employment.
bryant 14/02/20 8:25 am But it would all be rolled in together
obviously, so figure $5750 a month.
sam 14/02/20 8:26 am well what if he doesnt work out as an
employeee.. meaning we're taking a chance that
he will. so i'd prefer to do 2 agreements..
one for website
and one for employment
bryant 14/02/20 8:27 am We can do that too. 24k and 45k. We might
have to put some extra protections in for him
that way (in case he gets fired, etc.). As is
he's coming down from 16k to 5.75k, if we
fired him he'd go from 16k to 2k.
bryant 14/02/20 8:28 am But I think we can do that.
sam 14/02/20 8:29 am thats still 70k/year.. did you try to pitch
the 48k.. what did he say to that
bryant 14/02/20 8:29 am He's highly motivated to try and help the
company, be a liaison with the webmasters,
help effect positive improvements across the
board, etc. So my feeling is he's going to be
a real asset.
bryant 14/02/20 8:29 am He feels that's 24k a year to work FT or close
to FT and he can't justify that.
sam 14/02/20 8:30 am i just want to make sure we can pay ppl.. im
cutting back on a few more ppl this week
sam 14/02/20 8:31 am i had let Randy, one of the sales guys go
yesterday.. but he begged to be stayed..saying
he has 2 i/os coming in.. he did get one done
today...so he has short stay
sam 14/02/20 8:31 am our other webmaster relations people dont
really make 45k.. for example, alex makes
24k/year.. and pinocho less.
how about this. 2$ cpm on uniques on his site
+ 35k/year job
sam 14/02/20 8:32 am which is the range we're paying webmaster
sam 14/02/20 8:32 am and we're doing that as a favor to put more $
in his pocket
sam 14/02/20 8:32 am not just as a job
bryant 14/02/20 8:32 am Well, it's all to be determined really, but I
see him as more than just webmaster relations.
sam 14/02/20 8:32 am everyone else we're not offering this
sam 14/02/20 8:33 am he could very well be.. and if he does great
for us, then he woulc get a raise like
sam 14/02/20 8:33 am g3 started out at 36k and got a raise
bryant 14/02/20 8:33 am I know Jerry met with him, I don't know what
they discussed in terms of exactly what he'd
bryant 14/02/20 8:34 am Hmm, how about 35k for a trial period then,
you can define certain benchmarks, if he meets
them he goes to 40, 45 and perhaps 50.
bryant 14/02/20 8:34 am That way he's at 35 now, but he has a vested
interest and opportunity to climb higher based
upon metrics you define?
sam 14/02/20 8:34 am well, the benchmarks are all subjective.. its
obvious when someone becomes an asset.. for
sam 14/02/20 8:34 am he'll be entitled to raises.. and we have a
precedence for giving people raises if they
really help increase our bottom line in many
sam 14/02/20 8:35 am i dont want to set a false expectations where
he'll feel entitled to it.. then he'll be
unhappy.. based on subjective evaluation
bryant 14/02/20 8:36 am Yeah, different people different skillsets. I
can only speak so intelligently about the
skillsets of g3 and Rich. I do know that
where g3 lacks is interpersonal
relations/people skills and that's an area
Rich excels in. They both have other skills
with positives and negatives each. g3 for
example is a great organizer, Rich may not be
- don't know.
bryant 14/02/20 8:37 am Basically he's come to these figures based
upon what he feels he needs to sustain his
quality of life and be able to work towards a
bryant 14/02/20 8:37 am I'll take 24k/35k to him, just want you to
have the big picture as he relayed it to me.
bryant 14/02/20 8:38 am I see your point though, the milestones
concept for raises seems a little bit like a
minefield for both sides in that light.
sam 14/02/20 8:43 am i just called jerry
sam 14/02/20 8:44 am to see what he used him for
bryant 14/02/20 8:44 am ok cool - what did he say?
sam 14/02/20 8:44 am really, its's not clear to me if we have any
more campaigns to deploy
sam 14/02/20 8:44 am and he said it was mostly for the website.. i
asked expliclity what rich would be used for
sam 14/02/20 8:45 am and he wasnt really sure.. do we need more
expenses in webmaster communications? i dont
sam 14/02/20 8:45 am i asked him if we can use him in revenues in
anyway.. he wasnt sure
sam 14/02/20 8:46 am however, all that being said.. if you do :
$2cpm on total daily uniques
+ employment contract for 35k/year
we can do it
bryant 14/02/20 8:46 am Yeah, I see the point. I guess the underlying
issue is what do we have to pay to keep him.
Clearly it's not $2k. So which makes more
sense for us, seeing what we can pay him as a
webmaster at a min, or going this route to
keep him plus have him in-house for work.
sam 14/02/20 8:46 am i dont doubt you that he has skills
sam 14/02/20 8:46 am im just trying to find out what exactly he'd
sam 14/02/20 8:47 am and who he'd be reporting to etc.
sam 14/02/20 8:47 am so try that out.. its not so far from your
bryant 14/02/20 8:47 am Oh, I'm not pitching Rich Kyanka here. Jerry
met with him and told me he's interested in
seeing if hiring him is a way to go.
sam 14/02/20 8:48 am and tell rich that while he doesnt think it's
sam 14/02/20 8:48 am we're doing this as a favor to supplement and
sam 14/02/20 8:48 am we're not doing this for the other webmasters
bryant 14/02/20 8:48 am I have. It's been my underlying theme.
sam 14/02/20 8:48 am as a stand-alone candidate, we probably
wouldnt hire him.. we'reputting more resources
sam 14/02/20 8:49 am keep trying.. im sure you can get him down
bryant 14/02/20 8:50 am I am too.
sam 14/02/20 8:51 am Bill is making a list of other people for you
to neogitate w/ after the websites are done.
I think this is your calling card:)
bryant 14/02/20 8:51 am np. Are those the people we owe?
sam 14/02/20 8:51 am yep
bryant 14/02/20 9:04 am If we can be creative with getting back pay to
him, I can get him at 24/35
sam 14/02/20 9:04 am did you talk to him?
bryant 14/02/20 9:04 am Yep.
sam 14/02/20 9:04 am let me think about it.
bryant 14/02/20 9:05 am ok
bryant 14/02/20 9:05 am Back pay issue comes from upcoming tax
troubles. All his $ was 1099 last year and he
expects to owe close to or over $10k. He has
sam 14/02/20 9:06 am but we havent paid him anything for last year
sam 14/02/20 9:07 am and he said he hasnt been paid from anyone
bryant 14/02/20 9:07 am No, but other companies did at least early on.
sam 14/02/20 9:11 am for him to owe 10k.. he should've earned @
bryant 14/02/20 9:11 am 2nd half of last year he got almost nothing
because of the market problems and companies
missing or failing to make payments. First
half he took in close to $40k on 1099s.
sam 14/02/20 9:12 am okay
sam 14/02/20 9:12 am let me think bout the backpay stuff
sam 14/02/20 9:12 am i told bill to send me all the $ stuff on all
the websites..and im going to compile backpay
info for everyone tonight
bryant 14/02/20 9:12 am Did that last ICQ go through? It's acting
really screwy on me and doesn't show it in our
bryant 14/02/20 9:13 am The $40k first half 2k one..
sam 14/02/20 9:14 am yes it did
bryant 14/02/20 9:14 am mame.dk is getting restless btw. We prepared
to let them go? Or how do you want to handle
that? We're looking for around $4k a month,
they're looking for around $24k/mo. They're
hosting their own site. They claim they can't
live with $4k. etc. etc.
bryant 14/02/20 9:15 am I've let them stew a bit and now they seem a
little more anxious. How do you want to play
bryant 14/02/20 9:16 am I haven't turned aggressive on them yet but
that was my next play. Just wanted to touch
base to see where they stand on your
sam 14/02/20 9:16 am how many daily uniques do they have
bryant 14/02/20 9:16 am Having Jo pull that, one sec.
sam 14/02/20 9:16 am not important really..but it is a big site..
24k is way too much for that though
sam 14/02/20 9:16 am we've never paid them 24k
sam 14/02/20 9:17 am all our past payments to them have been less
sam 14/02/20 9:17 am traffic increase doesnt mean we can monetirze
bryant 14/02/20 9:18 am 60983 unique viewers yesterday.
sam 14/02/20 9:18 am 60*30= say 2 mil .. times even 2.5 = 5k....
sam 14/02/20 9:18 am tell them to test the market out ?
sam 14/02/20 9:18 am brian is using that ploy
sam 14/02/20 9:19 am tell them the market is zero out there.. tell
them to test it out for a few days
bryant 14/02/20 9:19 am It's hard to think about coming up on an
emulation site. If they don't want to play in
the real world we might think about some of
the less friendly options.
bryant 14/02/20 9:19 am Yeah, I've used that here and there too. Let
me see what they have to say tomorrow and
we'll play it from there.
sam 14/02/20 9:19 am yeah.. the uniques are nice..but we cant
really pay more than 5k.. we're prepared to
let them walk, yes.
bryant 14/02/20 9:20 am How much are you comfortable paying if they
control their banner inventory?
sam 14/02/20 9:21 am boy thats tough.. since we're not hosting
either.. i really dont know where their
tfaffic is coming fro
sam 14/02/20 9:21 am we cant monetize the non-usa traffic in direct
bryant 14/02/20 9:21 am Yeah, it's an odd one.
sam 14/02/20 9:21 am us companies dont want foreign addresses or
names for d.m.
bryant 14/02/20 9:21 am OK, that actually makes it easier. Lemme see
how they respond tomorrow.
sam 14/02/20 9:21 am im not sure if thats an option here
sam 15/02/20 7:51 am i got all the info from bill finally.. so i
should try to get this backpay stuff out to u
guys today (late late)
bryant 15/02/20 8:19 am OK great. Any further thought on the SA
sam 15/02/20 8:19 am illcalculate the backpay and think about it at
the same time
sam 15/02/20 8:19 am http://www.efront.com/gfx/index3.shtml
fyi, kinda what we'll be launchng shortly
sam 15/02/20 8:23 am i have a mockup for u.. on how all the sites
will look like
(and so classical.net too)
sam 16/02/20 7:13 am u there?
bryant 16/02/20 7:15 am Yep
sam 16/02/20 7:16 am can u talk to brian.. :
bryant 16/02/20 7:16 am Brian Welch?
sam 16/02/20 7:17 am ok check ur email.. see if u can think of a
good solution.. and then talk to brian
bryant 16/02/20 7:19 am Hmm, okay, I'll bring it up this evening when
I talk with him.
bryant 16/02/20 7:58 am Brian is covered.
sam 16/02/20 7:58 am thanks
bryant 16/02/20 7:58 am mp
bryant 16/02/20 7:58 am np that is
sam 17/02/20 7:45 am spreadsheet pretty helpful?
sam 17/02/20 8:28 am kevin tells me Rich/SA also knows html.. so
that's a +
sam 19/02/20 2:20 am when u're around.. lets talk about SA
bryant 19/02/20 4:10 am Have a few mins now if you want to talk SA.
sam 20/02/20 1:42 am hey i got your msg..whenever you're ready
sam 20/02/20 1:49 am have you been deluged with people yet :)
bryant 20/02/20 1:51 am Heh, it's started a little bit. I expect it
to reall snowball later this week. That's
good though. They're motivated to come to us
which makes the process easier to deal with.
bryant 20/02/20 1:51 am So what are you thinking re: Rich? I know
html is a thought for what he'd be doing.
sam 20/02/20 1:52 am the 35k/ 24k sounds good.. just thinking about
the backpay.. let me look real quick
bryant 20/02/20 1:52 am ok
sam 20/02/20 1:56 am have you given any thoughts to what we should
do with mpog?
(jonathan was asking me)
bryant 20/02/20 1:57 am I haven't to be honest. I asked Jon to deal
with it since from where I'm standing right
now it feels like a conflict of interest. So
whatever you and he figure out. =)
sam 20/02/20 1:58 am im not really sure either.. :) i know u guys
use the $ all for expenses and dont really
make anything off of it..
ill talk to him.. i dont think its a conflict
of interest really.. we're both trying to
figure out how to get the most value from it
..its not like either one of us makes $ from
sam 20/02/20 2:16 am btw, on the chinese sites, i'd pay no more
than $1 cpm on the uniques..
sam 20/02/20 2:16 am linda is online and msging me.. ill tell her
to talk to you for central coordination
sam 20/02/20 2:16 am do you think we could get away with 50 cent
cpm for the chinese sites?
sam 20/02/20 2:20 am lotus: (10:18 AM) ok, will we pay them today
or tomorrow? so I can start negotiation for
the new contract then
sam: (10:19 AM) the funds wont be released
until the new contracts are signed.. the new
contract also has it in there the amount to be
paid on signing for the 19th payment
[if you could give her a hand or two..]
sam 20/02/20 2:22 am lotus: (10:21 AM) but I don't have details
about the new contract site by site
sam 20/02/20 3:09 am btw, SA's stats are wrong.. weird.. he didnt
do 7 mil imps in december.
trying to come up with a figure right out and
we'll make a deal wioth him
sam 20/02/20 4:31 am what about this offer for SA:
Make the contract retroactive.
11/9 start date
2500 already paid
3500 balance (to be paid immediately) + 2k
(feb) + 2k (march) should take care of his
35k/year employee [we're not offering this to
anyone else.. ]
bryant 20/02/20 4:32 am You mean make the site $ retroactive but start
the salary now?
sam 20/02/20 4:32 am yes
sam 20/02/20 4:34 am basically null the previous contract with the
new contract, balance due immediately +
bryant 20/02/20 4:34 am Right, np, lemme see if I can track him down.
sam 20/02/20 4:34 am do u think he'll go for it:)
bryant 20/02/20 4:34 am Hard to tell. I think probably.
sam 20/02/20 4:35 am btw, that spreadhseet is wrong.. so dont quote
him the backpay from that.. the decemeber
estimate was 5.7 mil pv for him, not 7
sam 20/02/20 4:35 am anyways, lets try that
sam 20/02/20 4:35 am ive been talking to linda past hour or two..
if u could fwd her the addendum, etc. i'd
bryant 20/02/20 4:35 am Will do.
sam 20/02/20 4:42 am also fyi, brian is telling me that the biggest
issue thus far has been backpay@ the end of
their contracts. i offered him two solutions:
1. make the contract retroactive and we'll pay
in 60 days (because the payable is reduced) or
2. make the terms either less than $2 cpm AND
we'll pay 8.1% of the backpay everymonth for a
either way, we have a limited amount of funds
to work with and that's the reality
in case you run into the same issues.
bryant 20/02/20 4:49 am ok great.
bryant 20/02/20 5:08 am He would rather see the back money simply
split up into monthly payments over 12-18
sam 20/02/20 5:10 am we can do that if he takes a $2cpm on daily
uniques on his site + 1k/month for 18 months
what do you think of that?
bryant 20/02/20 5:10 am Instead of employment, or with?
sam 20/02/20 5:10 am with
bryant 20/02/20 5:11 am 2 instead of 2.5 - is that the difference?
sam 20/02/20 5:11 am is that toorich?
sam 20/02/20 5:12 am ya..thats the diff
sam 20/02/20 5:13 am or 1k/mo for 12 months.. because we are paying
sam 20/02/20 5:13 am than @ the end of the contract
sam 20/02/20 5:13 am + he gets employment
sam 20/02/20 5:13 am and allows us to actually pay it because
reduces our cashflow
bryant 20/02/20 5:42 am Rich will drop to 2.0cpmU if we will pay him
$1k a month of his total back pay every month
until it's complete.
bryant 20/02/20 5:42 am We're basically out of dancing room with him.
So let me know if that works for you.
sam 20/02/20 5:58 am do you have a copy of his contract i can look
@? i want to get reports run to figure out
his back pay per the contract
sam 20/02/20 5:58 am but that could be do-able
sam 20/02/20 5:59 am even a non-signed electornic copy will do if u
can email me
sam 20/02/20 6:08 am okay.. looks like his total balance is 27,762
so, to recap:
35k/year salary f/t job employment agreement
(at-will like everyone else, but you dont have
to tell him that)
2cpmU (looks like 1500/month)
+ 1000/mo until the backpay is met
thats the best we can do right?
bryant 20/02/20 6:11 am Yep.
sam 20/02/20 6:11 am ok get it done
bryant 20/02/20 6:14 am So how much do you want to give him tomorrow?
$2,500 as listed on the Excel sheet. He says
he has to have something to cover his rent.
sam 20/02/20 6:15 am in the addendum, you can get rid of the feb 19
payment line and add 1k/month..and you can
make all payments net 30
sam 20/02/20 6:15 am oh oops
sam 20/02/20 6:15 am give him february's payment tomorrow
sam 20/02/20 6:15 am (the 1k
bryant 20/02/20 6:15 am ok
sam 20/02/20 6:16 am and have him report to g3, ie employment etc.
have g3 take care of it w/ mike frue
sam 20/02/20 6:17 am i'm going to use him and kevin bowen as a tag
team to deploy all campaigns in the
websites...they know html, they probably work
sam 20/02/20 6:17 am and bypass the webmasters
sam 20/02/20 6:33 am Explaination of the new contracts and payments
if they ask:
We've been able to collect a majority of the
A/R (but not all) that was owed to us.
However, because we did not want to have this
drag on or incur a legal battle that could
take awhile to resolve, we made payment
settlements with our past advertisers that
resulted in not collecting 100% of what we
delivered. We have set aside the collections
to pay the webmasters, however, because we
only have a limited amounts of funds because
of the collection settlement to pay out -- we
must prioritize the payments to the websites
that will stay part of eFront. In the
meanwhile, since banner markets have dried up,
we are and have reengineered our model to go
after performace based marketing including
direct marketing. Therefore, going forward,
we need a new contract in place we can pay you
on a stable basis without depending on
banners. We need to get this in place in
order to pay you before going forward;
otherwise there is no sense in going forward
for any of us. The moneys we earn from our
new program will be the cash flow that drives
future payments; hence the need to carry the
sam 20/02/20 6:36 am i also gave your icq to Marc DSouza. He's
worked with me in the past on webmaster stuff
and he can renegotiate contracts for you and
talk to webmasters.. just give him a bunch of
sites to work with ( his speciality is mp3
bryant 20/02/20 6:36 am ok great.
sam 20/02/20 7:12 am also, you should probably let the webmasters
know that they can get a tax break because
this is asset purcahse, not ordinary income.
that will save them $$ on taxes too
this is a long-term capigal gains.. it will
make their taxes better by as much as 50%
(depending on their tax levels).. no SS and
unemployment taxes either
sam 20/02/20 7:14 am so a person making 50k/year from us vs ad
networks can expect to save in taxes:
ad networks: ss + income + state+ unemployment
= 25k in taxes
with us, probably 7500/year
bryant 20/02/20 7:40 am What terms did you all agree upon with Harsha?
bryant 20/02/20 7:40 am I know you and Tim were working on him, don't
know where it was left.
sam 20/02/20 7:43 am iBLAMEj00: (3:41 PM) The last time we talked I
said that if he wants to play hardball, I'll
need all his payment from exitfuel and
bottomdollar since going with eFront =)
sam 20/02/20 7:44 am iBLAMEj00: (3:43 PM) He keeps demanding
$30k/month, that he needs that much.
sam: (3:43 PM) did he go any l;ower?
iBLAMEj00: (3:43 PM) Well, he kinda agreed to
$10k/month and he gets the banner ads at one
bryant 20/02/20 7:44 am OK.
sam 20/02/20 7:44 am iBLAMEj00: (3:44 PM) But he couldn't accept
not getting paid for back months.
sam 20/02/20 7:44 am iBLAMEj00: (3:44 PM) And then he mumbled
something about having to sell his Lexus.
sam 20/02/20 7:45 am [i had told tim to offer harsha:
2. he gets all banners on megagames for next 3
after that its a normal deal back to the
he claimed he could make $1.30 cpm on
banners.. so the 3 motnhs of 100 million
banners a month would make him 300k enough to
cover the backpay and our payments for the
next 3 months
sam 20/02/20 7:46 am and after 3 months, the 30k would be doable
because it would be around cpmU at the rate
his site is growing..
currently, it's 5cpmU
sam 20/02/20 7:46 am that was the last.. then the emails he's been
bryant 20/02/20 7:46 am OK, I'll deal with him?
bryant 20/02/20 7:47 am ignore the ?
sam 20/02/20 7:47 am sounds good.. let me know if u need help ..
ill be there..
like we did with SA ..:)
sam 20/02/20 7:47 am fyi, we also got Harsha a Visa to stay in the
usa or something (jerry got him)
sam 21/02/20 10:24 am lowtax signed today.
sam 21/02/20 12:47 pm hey im going to san fran for business deals
tomorrow. marc D. is ready to work with you
to try to get more people signed up, so let
him help you
sam 21/02/20 12:47 pm let me know if you need anything or there are
sam 21/02/20 12:47 pm if u need me tomorrow, my cell # is 714 227
bryant 21/02/20 12:48 pm OK will do. Have some mp3 sites for Marc,
I'll touch base with him tomorrow.
sam 21/02/20 12:50 pm Marc: (8:48 PM) ya that sounds good...
roy was trying some stuff with vc
today...don't know how that's going...
webmasters are speading rumors that we filed
for chapter 11 btw
[probably supports your theory and stuff..its
all good, helps us negotiate better]
bryant 21/02/20 12:51 pm vc?
sam 21/02/20 12:52 pm heh i dunno what he's talking about.. lemme
sam 21/02/20 12:53 pm sam: (8:51 PM) what do u mean roy was talking
Marc: (8:52 PM) valueclick
sam: (8:52 PM) btw, which wembasters were
Marc: (8:52 PM) heard it from t-rex
sam: (8:53 PM) oh, screw him .. he cheated us
with the 1x1 pixel and i caught him 4 months
ago.. and we kicked him out
sam 21/02/20 12:54 pm btw, i did a deal with Defender, owner of one
of the mp3 sites today.. he gets to maintain
all of our mp3 sites.. for 1cpmU.. for a max
of $2500 per month..he'll maintain 10 sites
i have to get him a contract..
sam 21/02/20 11:02 pm Hey have you been talking to Thomas about the
renegotiations w/ the french sites?
sam 21/02/20 11:43 pm Swedie (ICQ#20386173) Wrote:
I haven't recieved any money yet.. and I
haven't recieved and email from Bryan as I
bryant 21/02/20 11:45 pm Who is that?
sam 21/02/20 11:46 pm just fwding you everything i get
bryant 21/02/20 11:46 pm I'll ask Brian about them. I asked him to
On the ph with Astalavista right now btw.
sam 21/02/20 11:46 pm k
bryant 21/02/20 11:47 pm Can you live with breaking their back pay up
every 3mos over like 18 months or something?
sam 21/02/20 11:48 pm that'd be harder and a struggle to do.. but
better than nothing.. we might not live upto
it, but give it a shot...it has to start in 3
months though (obviously)
sam 21/02/20 11:54 pm hm his backpay seems wrong (astalavista) do u
have his contract handy
bryant 22/02/20 12:01 am looking for it now.
bryant 22/02/20 12:03 am $8k base at 6mm pvs, $1100 for ever 1mm above
sam 22/02/20 12:04 am the new figures would be
5650 for feb 19
19150 backpay balance
bryant 22/02/20 12:04 am I show them as;
11/00 - 11,901,703
12/00 - 9,892,823
01/01 - 8,780,933
sam 22/02/20 12:05 am no..because in january he used his own banner
and put ours at the bottom. he also had no
in january we count webguide impressions
bryant 22/02/20 12:05 am That's a little bit less. Hmm.
bryant 22/02/20 12:05 am Ah right, okay.
sam 22/02/20 12:05 am and you have the nov and dec figures reversed
bryant 22/02/20 12:06 am Hmm, that's strange. I've got the system
reports printed out and they're dated. Must
have been a bug or something.
sam 22/02/20 12:06 am but thats the new figure according to base
i dont think bill gave me the right
spreadsheet.. he's prorating the payments
upwards in the same manner its prorated
so on big amounts, i'd doublecheck
bryant 22/02/20 12:07 am ok
sam 22/02/20 12:07 am ok..either way, if u reverse the nov and dec,
its the same payments
sam 22/02/20 12:07 am also, the figures go through an internal
audit check for cheating, refreshes, pops,
etc. traffic usually does that (drazen used
bryant 22/02/20 12:07 am If we tack on $1k per month, that's the rough
equivalent of paying them a 2.5cpmU anyway.
bryant 22/02/20 12:08 am MIght be easier than more every 3.
bryant 22/02/20 12:08 am Less impact.
sam 22/02/20 12:08 am oh u mean no backpay then?
bryant 22/02/20 12:08 am Yeah, we'll stop it when their backpay is
done. So we don't have to pay it forever.
bryant 22/02/20 12:08 am They're at a 2.0
sam 22/02/20 12:09 am ohh.. i see..hm.. only thing is we have to pay
more every month right..than every 3 months?
sam 22/02/20 12:09 am (cashflow)
bryant 22/02/20 12:09 am I'm just thinking paying less per month might
be easier than larger amounts every 3.
sam 22/02/20 12:10 am okay. im okay with that.. and we'll stop it
when his backpay is done?
bryant 22/02/20 12:10 am Obviously we're going to work as many backpays
at the end of the contract (or deal out at
cents on the dollar) with most sites, Asta is
a keeper though.
sam 22/02/20 12:11 am okay.. you should probably have the flexbility
to do what it takes.. just remember the
parameters.. the less the better, the more in
the future the better
sam 22/02/20 12:11 am it will allow us to meet our obligations
bryant 22/02/20 12:11 am Certainly. Actually, giving them $1k a month
is less than paying them a 2.5
sam 22/02/20 12:12 am yeah.. they get good uniques
bryant 22/02/20 12:12 am 2.0 = 6814 (+1000 = 7814), 2.5 = 8517.5
bryant 22/02/20 12:12 am They were demanding all the back money up
front before they sign anything.
sam 22/02/20 12:12 am he didnt go for every 3 months?
sam 22/02/20 12:12 am aha ok
sam 22/02/20 12:13 am just so u know, he tried to run different ads
on the top banner.. and i dont hhink he could
find a suitable outlet..he's running text
links there now
bryant 22/02/20 12:13 am We can do like $3k every 3 (they want like 10k
every 3, lol), but I just think it might be
harder on us when it hits.
bryant 22/02/20 12:14 am per mo on this one minimizes the impact.
Basically it equates to us agreeing to pay
them a 2.29cpmU for a while.
sam 22/02/20 12:14 am yeah.. 1k/mo is fine i suppose.
try not to do more than 5-10 of those.. cuz
then thats 5-10k/month extra for however
also, we're more in a cashflow hole now...it
could be alot better in 3 months because we
have invested people and resources into
diversifying our revenue streams
bryant 22/02/20 12:15 am Yeah. I only see a few sites I'm willing to
talk to about that type of arrangement. Asta
is one of them.
sam 22/02/20 12:16 am ok.. u might have a pot for each gruop..
like some sites, nothing
some sites @ end of contract only
some sites every quarter over 3 years or 18
some sites 1k/mo
sam 22/02/20 12:16 am helps us spradit
bryant 22/02/20 12:16 am That last group should end up being less than
sam 22/02/20 12:16 am also i changed the SA cntract after u had sent
bryant 22/02/20 12:16 am What part?
sam 22/02/20 12:17 am i made it so that
"total is 27,762, payble atthe following
schedule: 2500 for the first month and 1000
for every month thereafter until whole is
also added net 30
that way his next 1k isnt due until april 30
sam 22/02/20 12:17 am make sense?
bryant 22/02/20 12:18 am Yeah, it's a lot cleaner. Heh, rushed that
bryant 22/02/20 12:18 am Cool.
sam 22/02/20 12:19 am thats ok :) g3 was frantic cuz lowtax barged
into his office saying where's the money. i
told g3 to send him home and make hime come
bryant 22/02/20 12:19 am Heh
bryant 22/02/20 12:22 am Hebus is ready to remove any/all illegal
content. Any issue with bringing them online?
sam 22/02/20 12:22 am no not at all
sam 22/02/20 12:22 am lets do it
bryant 22/02/20 12:23 am Thought you were in San Fran today?
sam 22/02/20 12:23 am first flighth is booked.. next one is @
10:50.. so i might as well work while i wait
bryant 22/02/20 12:30 am What did Hebus have on there causing the
sam 22/02/20 12:31 am not really sure.. i didnt even know there was
anyting causing a problem.. marcF just told me
that this morning..but i would imagine maybe
bryant 22/02/20 12:44 am 5650 for 2/19 and then 19150 backpay, right?
Or does the 19150 include the 5650?
sam 22/02/20 12:45 am yup thats right.. 19k is separate
bryant 22/02/20 12:45 am ok thx. Just getting their addendum out.
sam 22/02/20 12:46 am great.. bill is asking me how much $ we're
going to send out this week..
whats ur guess.. 30-40k worth of backpay?
sam 22/02/20 12:46 am er feb 19 payments
bryant 22/02/20 12:47 am Almost impossible to guess. I'd certainly say
a fraction of the whole, but the question is
bryant 22/02/20 12:47 am I'd say 30-40 should cover us for this week.
sam 22/02/20 12:48 am ok great
bryant 22/02/20 12:48 am If it starts to get close to that we'll tap
dance a little bit and defer people to next
bryant 22/02/20 12:48 am So I'll keep a running tab.
sam 22/02/20 12:49 am actually id prefer to just get the contracts
signed.. about is sending us 150k .. i signed
the contract today.. so by the time it clears
and all.. we should be ok
bryant 22/02/20 12:49 am ok, then I won't worry about it.
sam 22/02/20 11:20 am hey.. have you talked to jarretc
(beautifulcelebrities.com). he keeps calling
sam 23/02/20 10:51 am I'm talking to Scott/Gr right now
sam 23/02/20 10:51 am brian was working on him i think right
bryant 23/02/20 11:04 am Yeah, Brian was.
sam 23/02/20 11:06 am i can get him on board.. im talking to him
now.. he hates g3 :)
bryant 23/02/20 11:29 am Heh. There's something to use. =)
sam 23/02/20 11:32 am Actually Scott gavem e some good ideas. I
asked G3 to setup a meeting with Jo. I want
Jo to send out a weekly newsletter that
actually has good information.. I think she
can do a great job
bryant 23/02/20 11:35 am Yeah, just mentioned that to her. She thinks
it's a good idea.
sam 23/02/20 11:37 am I want payment stuff, financial stuff in
there, new sites, old sites, new campaigns,
new ideas, etc.
Should we do it so its a newsletter.. or
should we do it like a egroups list so people
can actually respond (mailing list)
bryant 23/02/20 11:38 am Dunno. Lemme do a straw poll with the people
I deal with tomorrow and see what they think.
bryant 23/02/20 11:38 am Then again maybe that confuses the help desk
bryant 23/02/20 11:38 am We might want that to be the clear and only
vehicle for communication.
sam 23/02/20 11:38 am yeah.. plus if we dont respond or get
busy..they'l think we 're not communicating
bryant 23/02/20 11:39 am Yeah. Thinking about it now I think a one-way
newsletter is better. It can link to the
helpdesk address each time for questions,
sam 23/02/20 11:39 am yeah.. we should do a nice html
newsletter..not the plain text stuff that bill
hodson used to send.. i never read that.. it
was junk :)
bryant 23/02/20 11:40 am Have to admit I didn't either.
sam 23/02/20 11:48 am Scott -Game Rankings: (7:44 PM) Lets talk
hosting for a minute. Right Now PSX Extreme
and I and VGS are all on the sam server. PSX
Extreme is moving out onto his own server. GR
and VGS can move onto his new server and pay
for hosting there instead of eFront paying for
a dedicated machine just for GR and VGS. Cost
would be $450 a month for hosting. I think
that is cheaper than what you are paying right
now for a dedicated machine. I am going
somewhere with this....
[do u know if psxextreme passed on us]
bryant 23/02/20 11:48 am Lemme look
bryant 23/02/20 11:49 am Yeah, they want out.
sam 23/02/20 11:49 am what was the last cpm we offered them.. 3?
bryant 23/02/20 11:50 am Brian is going to take them 2.5-3. So there's
still a shot.
sam 23/02/20 11:51 am are you amazed that we have most of the people
accepting @ 2 and such
bryant 23/02/20 11:52 am I've been pretty surprised, yeah.
bryant 23/02/20 11:52 am Glad really. More reasonable people than
sam 23/02/20 11:52 am so jarret is all okay huh.. what did he take..
bryant 23/02/20 11:53 am Yep, .2
sam 23/02/20 11:53 am are most ppl taking backpay @ the end or
bryant 23/02/20 11:54 am Mixed. Backpay at the end has been a
stumbling block almost every time.
sam 23/02/20 12:13 pm Tim loves the 75cent cpm idea for backpay idea
sam 23/02/20 12:13 pm Once the contracts are done, if we need to
reduce our backpay or debt on the books, we
can offer that to more people.. or offer it to
people now even :)
sam 23/02/20 11:15 pm Swedie: (7:14 AM) Do you know when I will get
payed .. I mean that 50% of a month deal you
talked about that I'd be getting on the 19th
sam: (7:14 AM) yes.. monday/tuesday..
sam: (7:14 AM) hey let me fwd u to Will Bryant
sam: (7:14 AM) he's on
[demonews guy.. looking for contract
sam 25/02/20 9:12 am http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/50/16943.
[harsha always said he could go to euniverse..
sam 26/02/20 8:56 pm BLAMEj00: (4:54 AM) Doesn't this guy have some
kind of non-complete in his contract?
Because these sites (and I'm sure others) sure
do look like they are done by the same guy
(just outside eFront).
iBLAMEj00: (4:54 AM) Actually, I checked and
they are all registered by the same guy, Gabor
Timis (same guy that's with eFront)? I'm sure
he has other sites too, but I think the plan
is to sell one to efront and promote the
sam 26/02/20 8:56 pm tim sentme that..something to consider whenu
talk to gabor
sam 28/02/20 3:02 pm i believe Marc's last day is tomorrow
(voluntary resignation cuz of stress).. I hope
he find another job quickly. He was a good
asset. At the same we have s4r to do all the
tech stuff so that will help. We're going to
ledgent.com so we outsource that too.. to
streamline stuff.. do you have any experience
with firms like that
bryant 28/02/20 3:04 pm Sure don't. Only one I'm familiar with is
ADP, but I don't even know what services they
provide and being so large they probably
aren't very cost effective.
sam 28/02/20 3:06 pm ledgent uses adp too..so they'll continue to
do ourpayroll through adp.. but they're an
outsourced finance division..doing eerything a
to z.. uyou just fax them bills, invoices,
etc. and they put it all together. i had to
cut bill's pay by 30%..and he said he'd have
to find another job.. isaid i can
understand..but i cant afford to accrue salary
anymore.. we'll pay u full amount w/ payroll
and thats it..so he'll start looking around
but be professional and help us through
this..and we're going to look @ ledgent i
bryant 28/02/20 3:09 pm Ledgent sounds good.
sam 28/02/20 3:10 pm i just read mame's 'you have 30 mins' hehe..
like we'd respond for sure then :)
bryant 28/02/20 3:11 pm Yeah, heh. I called them on saying we hadn't
spoken since the first day, they claimed no
other emails had gone back and forth so I
found and forwarded some. They've been oddly
quiet about it since.
bryant 28/02/20 3:11 pm I've laid out what we can offer them again, so
we'll see what they get back with. I
literally half suspect a week from now we'll
get another crazy email saying they're being
sam 28/02/20 3:12 pm i think they'll accept.. what choices do they
bryant 28/02/20 3:12 pm Not many. I think they probably will too to
sam 28/02/20 3:12 pm thats why i said.. hey ill talk to them.. i
would basically say.. hey i understand
blahblah..but market sucks.. do u have any
better choices? i'd like to find out myself..
bryant 28/02/20 3:13 pm Think about Hebus at all? I don't know how
important that one is (it seems to be a
need-to-keep'er), and he's made it clear he
can't accept even a 2.5. Thoughts on what to
do with him? His biggest issue is getting
monthly $ up and sustaining that.
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm oh ya.. i forgot.. lots going on.. lemme see.
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm we probalby need to get him on icq
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm chat conf
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm because i think the only way is to
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm keep talking him down
sam 28/02/20 3:14 pm money is money
sam 28/02/20 3:15 pm there's not too many choices
sam 28/02/20 3:15 pm i want to say..
look hi-media kicked us out
sam 28/02/20 3:15 pm your click-thru sucks
sam 28/02/20 3:15 pm maybe you advertise on the english
version..and we'll take the french version
sam 28/02/20 3:15 pm we're losing lots of money on ur site
bryant 28/02/20 3:15 pm Yep. He's around most of the afternoon, it
might be effective for me to pull both of you
into an ICQ chat and you can talk a bit. Make
him feel important, he's getting the CEO, etc.
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm yeah.. just keep talking him down mostly.. and
say.. hey incrase your unique users..
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm we're not capping it at 1600/month
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm increase your unique users..and that helps
both of us
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm and we should show him our own french
celebrity site we did in a day
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm as a back up :)
sam 28/02/20 3:16 pm to say we might let him walk
bryant 28/02/20 3:17 pm Is that what he is? I've never actually seen
his site. Only time I loaded it was when it
was back up briefly.
sam 28/02/20 3:18 pm well wallpapers mostly
sam 28/02/20 3:19 pm http://megagames.com/ps2/
harsha still has his own click-xchange
sam 28/02/20 3:19 pm ('win a ps2')
bryant 28/02/20 3:19 pm You anticipate the ranks are going to thin a
lot more in the near term?
sam 28/02/20 3:19 pm you mean employees?
sam 28/02/20 3:19 pm its mostly under our control.. who we want to
let go or not
bryant 28/02/20 3:19 pm Yeah. You mentioned Jon maybe playing a
backup in case of one departure. Just
wondering what the general tone is out there.
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm its actually pretty good here
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm they're all happy we're doing this
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm something everyone agrees with
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm we're not killing revenue generating stuff or
mission critical stuff
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm just the fat
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm they all said that sam you shouldve done it a
sam 28/02/20 3:20 pm oh you mean Jon is looking around?
bryant 28/02/20 3:20 pm Cool. I'm not surprised I guess that Marc
ended up leaving. Obviously he's been
somewhat unhappy for some time.
sam 28/02/20 3:21 pm yeah.. i already had marc crossed out in my
financials i did this past weekend
sam 28/02/20 3:21 pm cuz iknew he would.. and it was okay..cuz we
didnt really needhim
sam 28/02/20 3:21 pm since we have s4r
sam 28/02/20 3:21 pm g3 was panicking a little
sam 28/02/20 3:21 pm i said no.. stop.. use helpdesk.. fwd to
bryant 28/02/20 3:21 pm Heh.
sam 28/02/20 3:22 pm he was like oh they wouldnt want to etc. i
said were paying them a pretty penny.. let
sam 28/02/20 3:22 pm none of the people that left, we are going to
sam 28/02/20 3:22 pm only one a layoff technically
sam 28/02/20 3:22 pm so strategic reductions ;)
sam 28/02/20 3:22 pm most of them think its their choice..:)
bryant 28/02/20 3:23 pm That's usually the best scenario for everyone.
sam 28/02/20 3:23 pm http://www.babe-site.com/babes/
bryant 28/02/20 3:24 pm Heh, funny how simple those sites are and how
much traffic they move.
sam 28/02/20 3:24 pm yeah.. of course jerry threatend to take
comany down etc. like i expected etc. bill had
worked something out with him payments over
time etc. and he came back and said no, thats
not acceptable (we gave him a senior secured
note even for it).. and he wanted a $300k
note.. ha ya riht
sam 28/02/20 3:25 pm so i told bill.. add up all his stuff/exp.
etc. take taxes out.. and pay him the backpay
within 24 hrs.. and i guess there's a small
severance since he washere from the begin. and
thats due in 30 days
sam 28/02/20 3:25 pm and basiclaly he owes the company a note for
bryant 28/02/20 3:25 pm He already all moved out?
sam 28/02/20 3:26 pm so i took all his leverage away by saying
we'll abide by the contract
sam 28/02/20 3:26 pm pick up ur pay within 24 hrs as needed by the
sam 28/02/20 3:26 pm and in 30 days, we'll revoe his equity if he
doesnt agree to terms on severance
sam 28/02/20 3:27 pm he was sying'ill bring the company down.. i
can cause problems, etc.' i was like'i dont
care what you do.. its totally irrelevant.. do
whatever u feel like.. we dont care.. we been
through it all, as u already know.. we're
going to follow our agreements and abide by
sam 28/02/20 3:27 pm heh
sam 28/02/20 3:27 pm yeah.. i gave him a termination letter today
sam 28/02/20 3:27 pm because its the 25th
sam 28/02/20 3:27 pm 27th
sam 28/02/20 3:28 pm and he had severnace that built up half months
pay every 2 months or something.. so he doesnt
get his last one.. and it separates us for 30
sam 28/02/20 3:28 pm lets the employees get all used to everything
sam 28/02/20 3:28 pm then i can deal with him by playing hardball
on the promissory note
sam 28/02/20 3:29 pm hey u have to fight fire w/ fire :)
bryant 28/02/20 3:30 pm Yeah. I know he had been working in other
areas, so the change isn't going to be huge
for ppl like Jon and myself. We had limited
contact with him the last few months. Before
it was almost daily, but obviously after the
shift that wasn't needed.
sam 28/02/20 3:30 pm yeah.. same here..he wasnt doing much last 2-3
sam 28/02/20 3:31 pm and i asked dennis, bill, etc. in advance..and
they didnt have any problem.. so i said
ok..lets cut that out too.. bettr to cut our
losses now.. cuz he was getting more and more
demanding as the market was getting
down..wanted pay increases, priortized before
other employees, etc. i said noway
sam 28/02/20 3:31 pm so is Jon okay ?
sam 28/02/20 3:31 pm probably alot of changes for him.. but i want
to make sure he doesnt go anywhere:)
bryant 28/02/20 3:33 pm Yeah, as far as I know. Like everyone to a
certain degree he and I have talked "what do
we do if" and stuff like that but it's mostly
been tied to "what if eF were to go under",
etc. We don't talk about it much, mostly
because he's got some pretty big distractions
right now. Specifically his house and his
bryant 28/02/20 3:33 pm I have to assume him going into a mortgage is
a sign he's sticking around. I know he's
still going through with that.
sam 28/02/20 3:34 pm yeah i can undertsand that
also im moving traffic from him to scott p...
and having him do programming, ad server
management and admin.. and programming for
something he enjoys.. and matt is happy about
bryant 28/02/20 3:34 pm I think that will help. I know Jon has said a
few times he's not really happy in traffic.
sam 28/02/20 3:37 pm basically, it looks like 125k payrool, 125k
webmasters, 80k s4r, 40k facilities, 30k
misc.. 50% reduction in expenses.. without
effecting revenues because of reduction in
expenses.. so 400k/month .. we havent had a
400k month in like 10 months.. i think feb
will be 500k.. and march im trying to push for
700k and april 1 mil..that way we start to
save up some $.. and as soon as webmasters are
done..we'll go through and reduce the debt
too..negotiate, etc. like its 1mil.. 300k
pillsbury, 150k cais, 200k backpay (im
negotiating that rightnow)...200k misc.. so i
want to clean all that up.. and cais is in
dispute.. so i think a month or two..and it'll
sam 28/02/20 3:38 pm after everything settles down in a few days..
we'll probaly have an employee meeting.. so
we'll get u guys on the phone..and go over
sam 28/02/20 3:38 pm meaning we havent had a rev month that was as
low as 400k in 10 months
sam 28/02/20 3:38 pm dec was 800k..but 50% was uncollectible
bryant 28/02/20 3:39 pm That will be great. It's concerning me a bit
how long the sites are taking, but I've pulled
Marc D. in to handle the initial talking to
streamline the process a bit so hopefully that
will help. All the sites seem to come around
with time and a good deal of talking, but that
takes time. I'm concerned about Brian leaving
next week too. I talked briefly with Jon
about maybe jumping in but he wasn't too
comfortable with it.
sam 28/02/20 3:40 pm i can jump in .. and marcd.. and we can pay
brian a bonus for finishing even
sam 28/02/20 3:40 pm like 1000/week as a consultant
sam 28/02/20 3:40 pm so you have that option as well
bryant 28/02/20 3:40 pm Yeah, I'll feel him out about that a bit
tomorrow. Perhaps even ask it as a favor. We
can really use him another week or two.
sam 28/02/20 3:41 pm yeah im not sure if jon would be able to
handle it.. i think brian got burned out on
this..lot of friction.. and probably better to
have jon focus on the tech stuff..so we dont
lose him cuz of all that
sam 28/02/20 3:41 pm yeah.. we'll pay himtoo.. so u have that
bryant 28/02/20 3:42 pm Yeah, I could tell pretty quickly Jon wanted
no part of it. He's conflict averse, which I
knew of course, but some of this isn't
combative so I thought maybe.
bryant 28/02/20 3:42 pm We'll get it all figured out
sam 28/02/20 3:42 pm marcD is good at this kind of stuff..really
sam 28/02/20 3:43 pm i think we owe himfor nov/dec.. ill tell him
that if u help out on this stuff, we'll get
his nov money soon.. like 2k..and dec money in
30 days.. i had told him we'd work something
out..so he'll be more than happy
bryant 28/02/20 3:43 pm That's good to hear - I think putting him as
the first line of defense should really help.
A lot of time is spent just getting people
past the initial shock of what they need to
do. After that it's just working out the
details. Which isn't always easy, but it's
more time effective to break it out.
sam 28/02/20 3:44 pm ok ill prep marcD.. he'll beperfect.. he
handled like 20 affiliates for us.. in the
affiliateprogram.. he made webmasters put up
floating ads and all sorts of stuff.. so he
knows how to talk :)
bryant 28/02/20 3:45 pm Anyway, I better crash. Couple sites always
want to keep talking late, but there are
several that want first thing in the morning.
So I'm going to get in as much sleep time as I
sam 28/02/20 3:45 pm k..gnite
bryant 28/02/20 3:45 pm Phone will be ringing in about 5 hours. Heh.
That's good though, each one we cover makes
the rest of the job easier.
sam 02/03/20 12:50 pm i should probably get an attorney involved. i
will call one tomorrow and get them started by
giving them the babynames stuff.
bryant 03/03/20 1:38 pm Still need that exit agreement template if you
can shoot it over.
sam 03/03/20 1:39 pm oh ya.. k
sam 03/03/20 1:39 pm i cringed when i saw the to: also.. hopefully
noone starts trouble:)
bryant 03/03/20 1:39 pm If they do, we'll kill it quick.
sam 03/03/20 1:40 pm on 2nd thought, it might not be so bad to have
discussions going..and everyone sees
stuff..and have an open air ..its a hard time
to do it cuz they'll just complain about
payments irght now:) its hard to kill it on
an open-list w/ all the webmasters addresses..
sam 03/03/20 1:41 pm hopefully hebus signs soon.. im telling bill
to set aside 10k for him already
bryant 03/03/20 1:41 pm Well, I don't mean kill it quick by gagging
them, I mean kill it quick by me contacting
anyone who abuses this directly and making
bryant 03/03/20 1:41 pm They can talk in the egroups thing - doesn't
need to be by spamming everyone.
sam 03/03/20 1:41 pm thats true
sam 03/03/20 1:42 pm use some marine techniques on them huh :)
bryant 03/03/20 1:43 pm Heh, I'm just in a bad mood now, that's all.
I went off on Jo too hard, but she just hasn't
done that before and didn't know better. I
don't know what happened to my suggestion they
use a one-directional list, but hopefully it
will happen now. I guess Greg just assumed
she would know to BCC.
It's her screw-up, I just think it could have
been prevented. Especially had I realized she
was mailing it before she did.
bryant 03/03/20 1:43 pm Like I said, just in a nasty mood all around
right now. =)
sam 03/03/20 1:45 pm thats okay.. she said im sorry.. i said dont
worry about it..
sam 03/03/20 1:45 pm kiss and make up with her :)
sam 03/03/20 1:45 pm i dont think greg is technical so he probably
didnt know what you meant
bryant 03/03/20 1:50 pm Yeah, I'm not suggesting he dropped the ball
at all. Jo and I are fine, I just made the
point to her that even though someone (even
me) probably should have mentioned to her to
use BCC, she still should have seen the
reasoning for that on her own.
sam 03/03/20 2:01 pm i just emailed u the release.
also, someone took the emails on the
newsletter and invited everyone to the
yahoogroups :) oh well.. i think we're
wrapping up the signing of the biggest sites
and also we'll use them talking on the yahoo
groups as violation of the nda.
sam 03/03/20 2:03 pm we should find the owner of the yahoo egruops
list and kick them out :)
bryant 03/03/20 2:05 pm Hmm, actually the egroups thing might be a
positive. There's a lot of negativity in
there from time to time, but it's also been a
good way for them to vent. Better yet they
either don't know we're in there or don't care
- but it's a good way for us to keep tabs on
general moods, etc.
sam 03/03/20 2:06 pm thats true yeah.. and when things turn around,
we can use that to deploy campaigns, etc.
bryant 03/03/20 2:06 pm Better to have them talking in front of us
than behind us. =)
bryant 03/03/20 2:11 pm Actually this is great - someone starts
yapping and we'll just direct them to the
eGroup. Almost as if it was part of our own
plan to foster better communication.
sam 03/03/20 2:11 pm hehe yeah :)
i think someone made this mistake back last
year.. too.. and not one person responded.
bryant 03/03/20 2:12 pm Actually I remember that. Was it Bill H.?
sam 03/03/20 2:13 pm yep
pcmech guy is a pain in the neck.. he called
me 5 times and left msgs.. now he just emailed
me saying he got the newsletter, etc. and
wants to know where his counter proposal is
.and lack of comm. is why he wants to leave
bryant 03/03/20 2:13 pm Strange reaction to the newsletter. That's an
obvious attempt on our part to provide better
sam 03/03/20 2:13 pm wellthat i didnt respond back in a day to him
sam 03/03/20 2:14 pm any idea how to approach him? im thinking
about giving him the options:
* buy his site back and pay us..
* 4 cpmU even maybe or something + we host to
make it economical
bryant 03/03/20 2:14 pm Yeah, they're all that way. As far as they're
concerned, our worlds revolve around each of
them individually. As if they're the only one
out there we need to serve.
bryant 03/03/20 2:17 pm Sounds good to me. Can't offer him much more
than that. I spoke with a friend (lawyer)
about all of this to see how far ppl could
possibly go, and really - since we just can't
pay the old rates and we're offering deals to
keep ourselves from going under and in some
cases we're letting people go - he says they
really have no recourse.
bryant 03/03/20 2:17 pm Said the only thing outside of renegotiating
or leaving that they could do is simply not
sign anything and hold out to see if the
bryant 03/03/20 2:18 pm But there actually can't be a class action
bryant 03/03/20 2:18 pm Which means that even if several got together
to sue, they would have to pay fees out of
pocket. Class action everything is free.
bryant 03/03/20 2:19 pm Can't be one because the webmasters aren't a
class that is.
sam 03/03/20 2:19 pm really?
bryant 03/03/20 2:21 pm So he says. We didn't go into it much, but
when there's a segment of people who are
clearly defined and not tied to the body they
want to sue by common means (like same
contract terms) - then they can't be treated
as a class.
sam 03/03/20 2:21 pm if they leave, can we make them pay us our
equity interest in the website?
sam 03/03/20 2:21 pm aha i see.. that makes sense
bryant 03/03/20 2:22 pm I asked him that but he didn't really have a
clear answer. It was something along the
lines of "grey area, merits to both sides".
He doesn't specialize in property or
contractual law though, and I didn't want him
talking to partners and charging me. =)
sam 03/03/20 2:23 pm yeah.. i do have a new law firm i engaged
today.. gotta pay like a 5k retainer and sign
paper tuesday.. so we have multiple and easier
to juggle bills.. plus this one i got them to
take 33% equity for their bills:)
bryant 03/03/20 2:24 pm He did say ppl would have a really tough time
convincing any reputable firm to come after
us. (1) because it's shakey ground with us
offering people solutions and (2) because
individualluy even with the bigger sites the
potential award (which couldn't exceed what
they're owed) isn't enough to really pay for
any real action.
sam 03/03/20 2:26 pm yeah.. btw, babynames never replied to a harsh
email i sent them .. very interesting
sam 03/03/20 2:26 pm i think they're bluffing us
sam 03/03/20 2:26 pm did i fwd u the email
bryant 03/03/20 2:27 pm No, don't think so.
bryant 03/03/20 2:28 pm I think they have to be bluffing. I'm sure
they talked to a lawyer, but I think they were
probably told that there's nothing to gain
from any action.
sam 03/03/20 2:29 pm im @ my home comp so dont have it.. but
basically they were requesting/demanding dns
i emailed them and cc:'d their lawyer saying
not only are we not going to approve the
changes, we wont do a thing about it until the
conflict is resolved. that they continue to
violate our non-compete policies by having
amazon links there and ignore our requests to
deploy campaigns and holding our books hostage
by disabling the l90 account so we cant
complete our jan/feb financials.. that i am
waiting on an agreement from robert (their
lawyer).. and until this issue is resolved, i
am turning off access to our property
babynames.com to protect our data:)
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm then jennifer talked to tim
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm eckel
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm and he was going down on them too
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm so she got stressed and logged out
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm hehe
bryant 03/03/20 2:30 pm Heh, wonder why she talked to Tim?
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm i told him to tell her about the house
example, we dont have money or assets
sam 03/03/20 2:30 pm i think from the egroups list from awhile ago
they had communicated
sam 03/03/20 2:31 pm which is good..cuz tim tells me everything..
and says everything we want to say :)
bryant 03/03/20 2:31 pm OK cool, that's helpful.
sam 04/03/20 1:22 am hey johan msged me.. were u able to talk to
bryant 04/03/20 1:23 am Which site is Johan?
sam 04/03/20 1:23 am sub-net.com, seekmp3, anti-leech, mp3toplist
bryant 04/03/20 1:25 am No, haven't had a chance yet. You can give
him my ICQ and/or email so he hits me and not
you tho. Will get to him asap.
Hebus is arguing about some of the things in
sam 04/03/20 1:26 am we should stand firm..
what is he arguing about
sam 04/03/20 1:26 am our biggest thing is we're giving him 10k
right away.. he should be real happy bout that
sam 04/03/20 1:26 am and use that as leverage
bryant 04/03/20 1:26 am He wants all the stuff about waiving his
rights and claims against eF taken out.
Basically all of 2b.
bryant 04/03/20 1:26 am He doesn't have any outs in his contract, but
we still need that language in there.
bryant 04/03/20 1:27 am He also wants Net15 and not Net30.
bryant 04/03/20 1:27 am lol.
bryant 04/03/20 1:27 am I'm talking to him, but I think he feels like
he needs to work us down on every issue.
sam 04/03/20 1:27 am ya that wont work.. tell him we need thisi
because we cant have him come back and say you
owe me more money
bryant 04/03/20 1:27 am Crap like this is why I don't have enough
minutes in the day. =)
sam 04/03/20 1:27 am yeah i know ..thats what i gathered
fromtalking to him :)
sam 04/03/20 1:28 am he's basically ours.. tell him if we dont get
it done in 24 hours, we'll have to apply the
10k for another webmaster..and he'llh ave to
wait another month for his check :)
sam 04/03/20 1:28 am cna i see the addendum.. it starts his new
payment on march 1 right
sam 04/03/20 1:32 am perfect
bryant 04/03/20 1:40 am He's being difficult. He wants a clause in
the addendum that says he gets to keep the
domain name for the term of the agreement.
bryant 04/03/20 1:46 am Sounds like he'll sign this, but he's also
saying he's not going to give up the domain
name until the contract is up. Obviously he's
not within his rights to do that, so unless
you have an issue I'm going to drop this
subject with him if he'll let me.
sam 04/03/20 1:56 am yeah drop the subject.. we want domain name in
bryant 04/03/20 1:56 am We covered it, he seems okay now.
bryant 04/03/20 1:57 am Told him it's like buying a car. He goes on
the lot today and signs a deal - he leaves
with the car and a promise to pay. If he pays
he keeps it, if he doesn't, the dealership can
repo the car. But he has the car while paying
No layaway plans in net acqusitions. heh.
sam 04/03/20 1:58 am hehe
bryant 04/03/20 1:59 am I see Johan's sites are on this release
template you sent me. Are we cutting him
loose? If so, what does he still want for
bryant 04/03/20 1:59 am nm, wrong sites/person.
sam 04/03/20 1:59 am no we're not cutting him.. that was stas.net's
bryant 04/03/20 2:00 am Yeah, wrong group of sites.
sam 04/03/20 2:02 am of the top sites:
beautifulwallpapers limbo [this guy has like
10 sites and he uses our sites to direct
traffic to his other sites..gabor timis.. we
gotta stop this.. maybe have him throw all his
sites together + noncompete]
emux - no clue
skinz - ok
sub-net - will be ok
demonews - ok
bryant 04/03/20 2:02 am We cutting full checks for people whose
contract are up and are leaving? Wavplace for
example, we have $3270 on the books for them.
sam 04/03/20 2:02 am thats not bad huh
sam 04/03/20 2:02 am no we cant
sam 04/03/20 2:02 am make it payment plan?
bryant 04/03/20 2:02 am Yep, absolutely. Just wanted to check.
sam 04/03/20 2:02 am or if they want all of it now.. make a deal..
like 50% or less even
bryant 04/03/20 2:02 am Yeah, that's not bad at all. re: RPGamer, I
just got an addendum revision back from his
lawyer. I'll send it to you.
sam 04/03/20 2:03 am or even let them continue maintaining the site
for another 3 month.. and pay them 1123/month
sam 04/03/20 2:13 am forget that.. i'd rather let him walk..
sam 04/03/20 2:13 am what do u think
bryant 04/03/20 2:13 am Hard to say. Decent site, but ugly changes to
bryant 04/03/20 2:19 am I'll ID the issues for him and see what he'll
do. If he can't budge then we'll walk him I
So obviously theres;
3a - 'ownership of the website shall remain
with the developer'
3c - 'accrue interest at the rate of 12%'
and it needs a paragraph killing the outs he
bryant 04/03/20 2:20 am Anything else?
sam 04/03/20 2:21 am yeah add that paragraph killing his outs too.
sam 04/03/20 2:22 am and make it state of california
sam 04/03/20 2:22 am there's no way we're changing the jurisdiction
bryant 04/03/20 2:23 am I'm tempted to further mark up the one you
sent me with the out killer and killing the
jurisdictional issue and send that as-is.
Present a problem?
sam 04/03/20 2:23 am no not at all.. i just makred up what i saw
quickly.. keep marking it up.. and do what you
need to do
sam 04/03/20 2:23 am but the out killer.. dont "highlight" that :)
bryant 04/03/20 2:24 am Oh no, just going to quietly replace it with
the 2b he has.
bryant 04/03/20 2:24 am Woops, forgot to redline...
bryant 04/03/20 2:27 am Is it just the compounded monthly part you
want dead, or the whole interest issue?
sam 04/03/20 2:28 am what do u think.. i was trying to do it so
tthere's a balance and we dont cross
bryant 04/03/20 2:28 am Yeah, I agree.
sam 04/03/20 2:28 am did astalavista sign
sam 04/03/20 2:28 am cuz they still dont have our banners back up..
or maybe waiting for payments?
bryant 04/03/20 2:29 am I think they're waiting for payment.
sam 04/03/20 2:29 am ok ill ask bill
bryant 04/03/20 2:48 am Hey, I just got an ICQ from one of the
Penny-Arcade guys. I guess Jerry never signed
and mailed their release. Is that something
we can get done this week? I'm not even sure
where the release is at this point. Jerry had
it last I knew, but I bet I can track down a
copy in my sent folder.
sam 04/03/20 2:48 am ya send it off to me and i can probably do
bryant 04/03/20 2:51 am Just got it off.
sam 04/03/20 3:05 am what was the last offer w/ pcmech.. do u know
sam 04/03/20 3:08 am for rpgamer, the balance we have says 10k
sam 04/03/20 3:08 am how did they get 21k
sam 04/03/20 3:08 am oh i know how.. they didnt put our webguide up
sam 04/03/20 3:08 am i dont think they'll cooperate putting new
bryant 04/03/20 3:10 am No, I needed to talk to Brian today anyway, so
I'll get the pcmech offer then. I've got to
sit down with him and get caught up on
everything he was working on and get all his
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am do u have pcmechs' contract in front of you
bryant 04/03/20 3:24 am The original?
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am i was wondering when it started.. and if it
was a 3 year dea
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am yeah
bryant 04/03/20 3:24 am Yeah
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am im writing back to pcmech.. to see if we can
pull off a hebus-like math
bryant 04/03/20 3:24 am Wait no - that's PCMedia. Don't have PCmech's
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am pcemdia is pcmech
sam 04/03/20 3:24 am same ting
bryant 04/03/20 3:25 am ok, lemme pull it up.
bryant 04/03/20 3:26 am Standard agreement. 3 year term starting
6/9/2000. No outs.
bryant 04/03/20 3:28 am RPGamer just caught the 2b change.
sam 04/03/20 3:30 am well tell him he made changes..and we made
sam 04/03/20 3:36 am cc:d you on the pcmech email.. tell me what u
sam 04/03/20 5:07 am hey do you know much about john graham's
skills..just going through the employee list
sam 04/03/20 3:02 pm fyi..i think marc F. is waiting for the newly
revised addendum or something
bryant 05/03/20 7:45 am Seems Jarret isn't so friendly after all.
sam 05/03/20 7:52 am jarret..yeh he's a snake ..always pullsthe
switcharoo on u
bryant 05/03/20 7:52 am Yann Stettler is a real problem child too.
bryant 05/03/20 7:53 am There are quite a few people trying to
sam 05/03/20 7:53 am stettler's contract expired i think
sam 05/03/20 7:53 am who's trying to organize?
bryant 05/03/20 7:53 am Yann at least is conservative. He just wants
to get people together to come to us and
demand more communication. Jarret is trying
to rabblerouse for the sake fo doing damage.
bryant 05/03/20 7:53 am I'll gather some names.
bryant 05/03/20 7:53 am Jarret for sure. I sent you his post.
sam 05/03/20 7:54 am we shouldkill his account access immediately.
bryant 05/03/20 7:55 am These people have such a deranged concept of
how the law works it scares me. What's worse
is they declare these concepts as fact and
other people eat it up. It's genuinely
frightening. Never seen so much stupidity.
It's really like watching a herd of angry
sheep. None of them know exactly why they're
so worked up and none of them will stand out
alone - but they're mad anyway.
bryant 05/03/20 7:57 am Scott Bedard is calling for an organized
effort but doesn't want to be leader, Jarret
is openly saying he's ready to lead a "union"
against us, "Dietrich" is suggesting they all
pull banners at the same time and put
disparaging comments up about us to force us
into bankruptcy and embarass us.
bryant 05/03/20 7:59 am Actually, "Dietrich" says he doesn't support
that - but he's still suggesting it.
bryant 05/03/20 8:01 am "J.B." from Emuplayer is supporting Yann on
more constructive approaches. He feels (as do
some others) that eF succeeding is them
succeeding. Healthy attitude.
sam 05/03/20 8:05 am we should stop killing their account access
for violating the nondisclosure what do u
sam 05/03/20 8:06 am and tell them individually we have a record of
everyone who's violating it
bryant 05/03/20 8:06 am At some point we do need to start identifying
problem children and separating them from the
flock. Don't mean kicking them out per se,
but make ourselves clear nonetheless.
sam 05/03/20 8:06 am we should probably do that sooner rather than
bryant 05/03/20 8:06 am The more I read from Yann, the more
conservative I find him. I don't think he's
one of the problem people at all.
sam 05/03/20 8:07 am do we even have a problem with him? his
contract expired.. just work out where he
works for 4-5 months and we pay his backpay
bryant 05/03/20 8:07 am I doubt it. He's just talking about wanting
better communication. He doesn't seem bitter
sam 05/03/20 8:08 am marc said 5-6 are ready to sign..he just needs
bryant 05/03/20 8:08 am Yeah, sent them once but the emails bounced.
Servers been flakey recently. I'll send them
bryant 05/03/20 8:09 am I get a lot of ppl telling me stuff to me
bounces periodically as well. Not sure what's
sam 05/03/20 8:09 am should i tell scott we're going to terminate
his access or should you
bryant 05/03/20 8:09 am Bedard?
sam 05/03/20 8:09 am or what do u suggest
sam 05/03/20 8:09 am yeah
sam 05/03/20 8:10 am and the addendums does have it so that they
say they are signing this voluntarily, etc. so
they cant get us for duress because of that
bryant 05/03/20 8:10 am Lemme talk to him some more and see what he
has to say. The thing about these folks is
they're friendly in direct convos, but them
turn around and cause problems. A little
sam 05/03/20 8:12 am scott/gr took our banners off already
basically, we have to tell him.. yes we're
late in payments to buy the assets..which
means we're in default and we have to work out
a settlement. yet, you are violating the
nondisclosure clause, which we take seriously
and at this point, we have no choice but to
terminate your access and possibly bringing
the site down until the issue is resolved
sam 05/03/20 8:20 am anyone else close to signing the contracts
sam 05/03/20 8:26 am we're very close to terminating your service
to not servicing the site appropriate,
the non-competes, and causing irreparable
by ignoring the non-disclosure..
i'm about to send that to scott
sam 05/03/20 9:56 am i think i have an idea for the whining
sam 05/03/20 10:01 am i think i reached a deal with indianmasala
sam 05/03/20 10:15 am marc is msging me he didnt get the addendum..
should i send it to him since your email is
aving problems? do you have a latest
addendum.. or should i send him what i have
sam 05/03/20 10:15 am Marc: he might be sending it to
email@example.com which is not my addy
sam 05/03/20 10:15 am firstname.lastname@example.org
is the right addresss
sam 05/03/20 10:48 am any luck on Johan?
sam 05/03/20 11:16 am maybe you can give me an update on which
webmaster you're having trouble with on
terms.. and i can step in and help.. i got
indianmasala.com almost worked out
sam 05/03/20 11:50 am i think it would be best if you let jarret
sam 05/03/20 11:50 am we have too much celebrity traffic as it is
sam 05/03/20 11:50 am his traffic has little value to us
bryant 05/03/20 11:59 am Well, walk or no. He seems to have people
gathering around him. Scott Bedard has told
people you're on him about breach of
bryant 05/03/20 12:01 pm You really need to read this latest post. Did
you get the others I sent you?
sam 05/03/20 12:01 pm yes i did
bryant 05/03/20 12:02 pm I'll forward this one then. It's a real
problem. Jarret's up on a soapbox and people
are following him. Something is going to have
to be done.
sam 05/03/20 12:03 pm im sure he's whining about us breaching
contract and pointing out that he is doing
bryant 05/03/20 12:03 pm He's going to talk to dblclick to negotiate a
large deal for as many webmasters as will
follow. They'll all cut all our stuff off,
and as many of them that have control over
their domain names are going to put in
sam 05/03/20 12:03 pm haha.. good luck :)
sam 05/03/20 12:03 pm i wish it was that easy
bryant 05/03/20 12:03 pm I think he's actually breaking the law right
bryant 05/03/20 12:04 pm Not sure though.
sam 05/03/20 12:04 pm well, what do you recommend for all this?
bryant 05/03/20 12:04 pm Directly interfering with our capacity to
bryant 05/03/20 12:04 pm Do we have access to a lawyer?
sam 05/03/20 12:04 pm yes we do
sam 05/03/20 12:04 pm we can havre a conf. call w/ you tuesday @
sam 05/03/20 12:04 pm hows that
sam 05/03/20 12:04 pm or too late?
bryant 05/03/20 12:04 pm I think that's a good idea.
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Hmm, he has an addendum.
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Hasn't faxed though.
sam 05/03/20 12:05 pm who does
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Jarret
bryant 05/03/20 12:05 pm Just looking at his status.
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm does he say he doesnt?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm oh ok
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm He under 18?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm yes he was
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm Know if he still is?
sam 05/03/20 12:06 pm i think he might still be
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm That would help us I think.
bryant 05/03/20 12:06 pm Makes his parents liable for his actions.
bryant 05/03/20 12:07 pm Good way to put the fear of death in him. If
we can talk to the lawyer tomorrow that's even
better. He has people who have been more than
happy to work with me getting behind him.
bryant 05/03/20 12:07 pm I wouldn't say anything to him for the time
bryant 05/03/20 12:08 pm Going to be interesting to see how people I
talk to respond to me tomorrow.
sam 05/03/20 12:10 pm oh i see jarret's post.. yeah
sam 05/03/20 12:10 pm im not worried bout the boycott.. probably
sam 05/03/20 12:10 pm reduces our exposure and payment liabilities
sam 05/03/20 12:11 pm and puts more pressure on them since they wont
be able to cut deals w/ anyone in this market
sam 05/03/20 12:11 pm bryant: Good way to put the fear of death in
him. If we can talk to the lawyer tomorrow
that's even better. He has people who have
been more than happy to work with me getting
[how do u mean he has poeople who have been
more than happy to work..]
sam 05/03/20 12:14 pm ohhh ok i see
sam 05/03/20 12:15 pm maybe i can get tim eckel to post up there
bryant 05/03/20 12:30 pm Just meant that people I'm actively working
deals with are chiming in saying they're
behind him on this. I'm just looking forward
to seeing how they respond to me tomorrow. I
don't intend to let them know I'm watching.
bryant 05/03/20 12:30 pm Actually, there are already voices of reason.
Skyler for example.
sam 05/03/20 12:33 pm i have indianmasala almost wrapped up
sam 05/03/20 12:33 pm i'd like to get freevote.com signed up asap
sam 05/03/20 12:33 pm i hope nate is transferring that server
bryant 05/03/20 12:35 pm He just wants to be free of the site, so I
don't think he's going to be a real problem -
unless of course people get him all worked up.
sam 05/03/20 12:36 pm i just send nate a msg on the status of the
move. anyway you can draft the release/waiver
and we can get it out to fv.com and part of
that would say immediately, we're taking over
all bills, etc
sam 05/03/20 12:36 pm i already got someone to run the site/ answer
abuse, etc, @ 200/month
sam 05/03/20 12:37 pm whatever happened w/ classical.net
sam 05/03/20 12:38 pm looks like he took all the banners off
sam 05/03/20 12:51 pm i like the doubleclick approach jarret is
at least he's not talking legal action.. and
he'll soon see that dblclick or anyone else
wont accept new business
doubleclick actually sent us a 90 day
termination notice on the old contract a few
weeks ago.. we'll be able to re-up though..
probalby on terms favorable to them
sam 05/03/20 1:26 pm oh ya.. any word on the addendum? do u know if
u revised anything after i sent it to u.. (so
i can send marc the latest one)
sam 05/03/20 9:37 pm u therE?
bryant 05/03/20 11:38 pm What's up?
sam 05/03/20 11:38 pm i was going to send an email to the
sam 05/03/20 11:38 pm can you proofread it
bryant 05/03/20 11:39 pm Sure.
bryant 05/03/20 11:39 pm So we have someone who is English/French
sam 05/03/20 11:41 pm alex.. why?
bryant 05/03/20 11:45 pm Hebus is asking for a french translation of
some of the paragraphs all of a sudden.
sam 05/03/20 11:46 pm tell him we don't have the resources to do
sam 05/03/20 11:46 pm alex is online if you like.. i can give you
bryant 05/03/20 11:46 pm ok cool
sam 05/03/20 11:48 pm ok i sent you the email
sam 06/03/20 12:02 am what do u think? any changes? will this help
you in the negotiations? or hurt?
bryant 06/03/20 12:02 am optimus-prime isn't responding to me, so I
haven't been able to pull it down yet.
bryant 06/03/20 12:06 am Yeah, I think that will help a lot.
sam 06/03/20 12:06 am no changes needed?
bryant 06/03/20 12:06 am I don't think so.
sam 06/03/20 12:18 am yahoo gruops bounced the email back
sam 06/03/20 12:19 am should i sent it to everyone through bcc or
ask skyler to distribute it?
bryant 06/03/20 12:19 am Maybe BCC then.
sam 06/03/20 12:20 am i was thinking if we put it on yahoogroups..
people have to respond to that directly..
instead of thinking we're not there and
attacking in open forum
sam 06/03/20 12:20 am did you notice that noone replied to joann'as
bryant 06/03/20 12:20 am Yep.
bryant 06/03/20 12:21 am That's true.
sam 06/03/20 12:21 am so what do u think.. bcc or send to skyler to
sam 06/03/20 12:21 am ill just send to skyler :)
bryant 06/03/20 12:21 am I think either way, but I think you're right
about making it completely obvious we're on
the forums is probably a good thing.
bryant 06/03/20 12:21 am Yeah.
bryant 06/03/20 12:52 am Looks like Hebus is not going to sign.
bryant 06/03/20 12:53 am Looks like quite a few people that were going
to FAX no longer intend to.
sam 06/03/20 1:10 am because of the email we sent?
bryant 06/03/20 1:10 am No idea why.
bryant 06/03/20 1:10 am I can't imagine because of the email.
bryant 06/03/20 1:11 am I suppose it's probably because of convos
they're having amongst themselves.
sam 06/03/20 1:11 am well what option do they have
sam 06/03/20 1:12 am i think everyone was invited to the webmaster
egroup from the newsletter emails or
something.. not sure
bryant 06/03/20 1:12 am Not sure.
bryant 06/03/20 1:14 am Richard Benson of Freeskills is saying in the
forum that he wants to give up the $, return
options, and take freeskills.com back.
sam 06/03/20 1:14 am NO WAY
sam 06/03/20 1:14 am thats not a settlement
sam 06/03/20 1:15 am his contract gives us the right to sell
freeskills and we'll do that
sam 06/03/20 1:15 am oops didnt mean caps:)
bryant 06/03/20 1:15 am He's only putting that in the forum to cause
sam 06/03/20 1:15 am plus we dont negotiate in a forum
bryant 06/03/20 1:15 am He already told everyone you said we could
sam 06/03/20 1:15 am sure..
sam 06/03/20 1:16 am i wouldnt worry about him right now
sam 06/03/20 1:16 am lets just sign up one at a time
sam 06/03/20 1:16 am so hebus is dead? do you have his icq
bryant 06/03/20 1:16 am Yep, that's how we're working.
bryant 06/03/20 1:16 am 6299019
sam 06/03/20 1:17 am btw, working out a settlement doesnt mean
giving the site back.. we should ask for the
payments we made to them or soemthing as well
bryant 06/03/20 1:17 am Yep, I'm not telling anyone out is an option.
I'm also not saying that it's not.
bryant 06/03/20 1:18 am I've had ppl ask for the sake of posting in
the eGroup - just not answering.
bryant 06/03/20 1:18 am There's no good answer to that.
sam 06/03/20 1:26 am who is this pierre guy
bryant 06/03/20 1:26 am Not sure.
sam 06/03/20 1:27 am hebus has no issues.. we need to tweak his
agreement a little
sam 06/03/20 1:28 am btw, can you check hebus's agreement.. does it
have an out clause of any kind
sam 06/03/20 1:30 am also we dont have a payment problem with
sam 06/03/20 1:30 am from freeskills
sam 06/03/20 1:30 am we're on schedule
sam 06/03/20 1:35 am btw, do you know who posted the email to
sam 06/03/20 1:58 am my email was bad i think
too many choices for people now :(
sam 06/03/20 2:10 am for jarret, we need to have someone complain
about his copyright pictures.. and we can then
issue him a 24 hour notice to take the
pictures down or we have to shut the site off
sam 06/03/20 11:01 am is the mood calming down
sam 06/03/20 11:43 am i bcc'd you about babynames
sam 06/03/20 1:04 pm im trying a new strategy
sam 06/03/20 1:21 pm I killed accss to cinemadesktopthemes.com ..
we killed the popup he's been running since
day one for galttech. also, i've given orders
to kill animanga's access. his contract
expired; we just have to work out the backpay.
any others that is giving us problems, let me
know.. i'd like to kill access right away and
have someone take it over while putting
pressure on them to work with us.
|Sweet, cut and pasted that's a 99 page Word file.|
Hmm, that's a whole load of stuff...
Enjoy it people!
|Wow. Thanks for the posting. Is what the original link (now broken) was pointing to?|
Yup all of it is in here now.
|99 page? Did you paste as html? Use paste special and paste as unformatted text.. Makes a nice little 13 page file.|
If you're following the thread on the SA forums (how long until that gets yanked, I wonder?), you'll see that the guy who was originally sent the logs claims to have a whole load more log files from them, totalling some 3+ Mb.
No doubt they'll be up on a server near you soon. It would be kind of interesting reading the ICQ messages between those two this morning :)
I wonder how they originally got out - hacking or an inside job? Perhaps one of their employees got fed up being offered worthless stock options.
|What utter scumbags.|
|Yeah, pasted 'em as HTML. Maybe not as compact, but at least they look pretty.|
|Right now the efront guys are frantically searching the net for a German-language cease&desist letter to send to Morn to get him to remove Joker's posts . .|
I'm a little lost in all this as I don't pay much attention to the "scene", but it looks pretty dispicable.
Next question. I hate assholes, how can i hurt these people with my $?
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