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UGO raises $13 million; axes 40.
March 6th 2001, 14:15 CET by Morn

Don't you just love press releases like <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010305/2550.html">this one</a>?

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 5, 2001--<a href="http://www.ugo.com">UGO Networks</a>, a leading entertainment company for 18-34 year old males, announced today that it raised $13 million dollars, closing a new round of funding with a total of $23 million. Lead Investors are GRP and Missouri-based Gryphon Holdings II, LLP Inc. and their investment partners. UGO Networks has raised in total $80 million.

After some more chest pounding, the press release also mentions this interesting bit:

"UGO Networks will use the new funding to continue operations until our breakeven which will happen before the end of calendar year 2001,'' said UGO President and CEO, J Moses. "To this end, we are taking cost cutting measures to increase efficiencies in our business.''

UGO Networks is laying off 40 of its 130 employees, constituting approximately 30% of its overall staff. The cuts will affect all operating areas of the company.

There you have it. Ouch.

Not really related, but this little bit in the press release's final paragraph struck me as interesting, too:

UGO users are technologically savvy and passionate, spending an average of 2.2 hours per visit.

2.2 hours? On average? That <i>is</i> pretty cool, isn't it. :)
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#1 by "hkghgkhkg"
2001-03-02 23:02:06
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#2 by "Morn"
2001-03-06 14:19:14
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Just for the record, I'm really looking forward to seeing how they'll break even by the end of this year without laying off the larger part of their remaining staff. Seriously, if they manage to do it, more power to them, it'd be beautiful (I don't want to see Blue's News end up being hosted by GameSpy... shudder). But something tells me that this is the beginning of the end. Hmmmmmm. What does everybody else think?

- Morn
#3 by "Morn"
2001-03-06 14:20:08
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Oh, and by the way: big thanks to Buccaneer for letting me know about all this. =)

- Morn
#4 by "Morn"
2001-03-06 14:23:12
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Oh, and regarding the "average" visits of 2.2 hours: maybe I'm just ignorant and silly, but according to maths this means that every time I visit one of their sites, which never lasts longer than a couple of minutes, someone out there visits them for rouhgly 4-5 hours? No way. Either they get the wording wrong ("per month"?), or I'm a stupid bastard, or this is the biggest piece of BS I've seen since... since... since what I'm going to post in the next topic. ;) Gah!

- Morn
#5 by "Woo-Fu"
2001-03-06 15:10:49
random1@speakeasy.org random1-2.dsl.speakeasy.net
23 million isn't much money when you consider the headcount and the infrastructure costs they must have.

Do they have any revenue stream besides ads?

Maybe they're counting the time it takes to download a 125 meg demo at 4k/sec in that 2.2 hour number :-)
#6 by "Chella Kline"
2001-03-06 15:37:44
Just idle chit chat. Do you have any idea how many starving people you could feed for 23 million dollars?

Glad it's not a lot of money. Bye bye world hunger
#7 by "Bracket"
2001-03-06 15:52:48
thebracket@yahoo.com http:/www.tsghelp.com/
I can supply a bit of insight into the 2-3 hour visit time.

One of UGO's busier sites is WebRPG. It supplies RPG-related chatrooms (one based on a REALLY unstable webbased chatroom, another using IRC, and a final one using a customized Java client/server setup that lets you move miniatures around a map), messageboards and similar. There are many users there who spend 14 hours a day chatting (and whine at a minute's downtime). WebRPG escapees persuaded me to host/run an RPG site for a while - and I still have difficulties believing how much time some users dedicate to that!

UGO also hosts some multimedia download sites, and streaming video sites. I could see these producing long connection times.
#8 by "Ramton"
2001-03-06 15:58:24
elassowipo@yourfatmamma.com http://www.EL_ASSO_WIPO.com
UGO = ASS

And not normal ASS, pruned up, barely wiped old persons ASS!
#9 by "Morn"
2001-03-06 16:10:14
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Hey Ramton, your URL doesn't work. :(

Bracket: I'd really like to see some specific numbers (purely out of curiosity). Even if there are some users who use those sites for hours, I refuse to believe that there are enough of them to warrant a 2.2 hour average. Just think of the tens/hundreds of thousands of users hitting Blue's News each day. Maybe they left all network sites out of the calculation that have low average visit times? It simply looks fishy. (Now, I don't really care. Press releases are BS by definition, at least these days.)

- Morn
#10 by "Flamethrower"
2001-03-06 16:14:47
patch@evilemail.com http://www.oldmanmurray.com
Chella, the American economy is worth trillions of dollars, and they haven't even figured out how to end homlessness and child hunger in America, so what makes you think you can succeed worldwide hunger management even if the rest of your country were so inclined?

Lets face it, everyone here prefers to buy DVDs, movies, games, hardware, clothes, whatever, rather than do anything signifigant for the hungry of the world.

Today I bought a radio alarm clock for 50 dollars. That would feed some bug eyed black kid for about forty years, but like the rest of you selfish spenders, I simply don't give a fuck.

World hunger isn't going away, even after the impending Sapien Cull.
#11 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-03-06 16:46:33
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
World hunger isn't going away, even after the impending Sapien Cull.

That's right, I mean: how much money have people donated over the years? Milions! If not Billions! Do we see any improvement in third world countries? No, but we are still kindly requested to donate even more...

On UGO:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't UGO some sorta webstore? How in the frick could anyone spend hours on such a site?
BTW They made a profit, but didn't they gain money BECAUSE they laid off 40 peeps?
#12 by "asspennies"
2001-03-06 17:08:25
asspennies@asspennies.org http://www.asspennies.org/
So, let me get this straight.

UGO = ass, merely because, well, they are trying to make money and they are laying off people - like virtually every other internet company.

GameSpy = ass because they are, what, popular or something?  (Ok, believe me, I know all about their corporate idiocy, I'm just making a point here...)

IGN = ass because they're out of money.

Gee, looks like there's nowhere left to turn.
#13 by "FunkDrunk"
2001-03-06 17:22:37
jflavius@bellatlantic.com
#10 & #11

Surely you both realize that the majority of the money donated to help the impoverished doesn't get to the impoverished....  The problem is that there is a whole industrial complex of falsehood about feeding the poor.  The reality of the situation is that many people are making themselves fat lying about feeding the hungry.  Very little of the money that is donated is used to fix the situation that the impoverished find themselves in.  

They busted someone here in the US a few years ago.  It was a fairly large scandal, where the administrator of a chariatble organization (if someone remembers, please chime in), who was spending money on private plane trips, and on home improvements.

So even if you do care, unless proper research is done into a charitable organization, you may find the majority of your donated money going into the pockets of the administrators of the organization, and not to the hungry.



Funk
#14 by "Bertrude"
2001-03-06 17:32:34
shane.gleeson@upm-kymmene.com
That's right, I mean: how much money have people donated over the years? Milions! If not Billions! Do we see any improvement in third world countries? No, but we are still kindly requested to donate even more...

The problem isn't a lack of help going to these countries from charities, it is companies like Nike (insert most big sneaker/runner companies here) or any other of the big multinationals who are relocating labour to these countries where they pay fuck all. Or the wonderful international loan shark that is the IMF. The third world will stay like it is while these parasitic wankers are allowed to continue as they are doing no matter how much money is sent as aid.
#15 by "Flamethrower"
2001-03-06 17:41:01
patch@evilemail.com http://www.oldmanmurray.com
Morn, when are we going to have the 'how can we stop African parents gouging the clitorises out of their little girls' ?


Female circumcision -- it's like male circumcision where they chop the end off instead of peeling it.
#16 by "The Joker"
2001-03-06 17:41:41
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
#6

Hi Chella, I seem to have lost my phonenumber, can I borrow yours?

#12

ASS = ass, just because it really is ass.

Joker.
#17 by "Rambar"
2001-03-06 17:57:07
Okay, how stupid to you have to be to invest 23 million into UGO?  I mean, does UGO make some kind of super crack that the guys at GRP and Missouri-based Gryphon Holdings II, LLP Inc. and their investment partners are going to be smoking gratis now?  What exactly are these people getting out of this? </me wonders off to read the press release.>

Oh look, another geo-political debate on a supposedly video-games related website....
I'm sure Warren Marshall will rember all the insightful comments brought up here when he's elected to the Senate.  Personally I'm waiting for somone from Westwood to run for governor in my state.  He'll be able to solve all our power problems with a few well placed wind traps.
#18 by "Chella Kline"
2001-03-06 18:20:10
So let me get this straight. Millions for web sites good, any money going to feed the poor a waste because you have already spent enough money.

I have heard all these arguments before. Corrupt charities, Just the way of the world, What can I do about it I'm only one man. Blah,blah, yack, yack.

Did not realize this board was pro-starvation. Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.
#19 by "Rambar"
2001-03-06 18:26:13
And after reading the press release I have a few more questions...
``UGO Networks has demonstrated the ability and business acumen not only to survive but to succeed in today's market environment,'' said Yves Sisteron, Managing Partner of GRP. ``The management team is highly adept at both managing cash and generating revenue. The company has had tremendous success in building a base of blue chip advertisers and technology clients.''


MANAGING CASH AND GENERATING REVENUE?!?! Business Acumen??!!

I guess thats l33t upper managment speak for getting people drunk enough to sign anything you put in front of their face.  You know if I had the bullshiting capabilites of guys like these I myself would probably have 23 million dollars to store inside of a toilet.

The Company's management team has proven to be extremely adept at leveraging and maximizing all of its internal resources.


I don't have any trouble deciphering this little doublespeak.  It means that the guys in charge at UGO know how to sneak company bought computers home for 'work' purposes when they just really want faster framerates without out getting arrested by the FBI for fraud and embezzlement.

UGO Networks' strength lies not only in the size and composition of its audience, 18- 34 year old males, but in the way in which its unique business model enables multiple revenue streams


Multiple revenue streams.  Like ad banners, pop-up ad banners, more ad banners, selling demographic information (oh thats just GSI n/m)...  Is every ad banner counted as a seperate revenue stream?  How ingenious.

UnderGroundOnline caters to music, games, film & TV, technology, animation, wrestling and sports enthusiasts who seek out the most progressive and cutting-edge Web experience


Cutting-edge Web experience means Daikatana bashing & flame wars, I think.  Good thing they specialize in stuff that noone else on the web is doing.  Hell, I haven't been able to find a single site for sports on the web.  You think people like ESPN and Sports Illustrated would be competing with UGO.  I guess the mangement there aren't 'hip' to the 'information superhighway'.

UGO users are technologically savvy and passionate


Well, I sure as hell know my granny can't post a "Quake 3 rulez bitch!" to a forum.  We also know that 18-34 year old males also have LOTS of money to spend on their technologically passions.  NVdia could charge 1200 dollars for a new video card and I don't think the 'UGO community' would hesitate to write that check.

Now to top the whole thing off.

UGO Networks has raised in total $80 million.


SHIT!  These guys should be running for office.  At least most of us understand how the weels are greased in Washington (or insert your own national capital).  We could finally have someone address the important issues.  Like why ION Storm sucks, or why Jason Hall needs to be killed.  They could even take care of that ages old problem of why 3D Realms has the law apply equally to it has it does to every other company!  I don't think there's a person alive today who believes that 3D Realms isn't some kind of sub-human beast that doesn't deserve things like food, or shelter, or Intellectual Property rights.

Tomorrow we'll see a press release about a guy who regurgitates old rants daily on his 'comedy' site getting money.  For what I have no idea.
#20 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-03-06 18:29:24
warren@epicgames.com www.epicgames.com
That's right, I mean: how much money have people donated over the years? Milions! If not Billions! Do we see any improvement in third world countries? No, but we are still kindly requested to donate even more...

Yeah ... I agree.  I mean, I feel bad (I imagine that's what their campaign is meant to do), but I can't escape the feeling that most of the money sent to those organized campaigns isn't going to the hungry people, but into the pockets of the people running them.  Maybe that's a cynical view, but after all these years, and seeing no improvements, I can't help but wonder ...

The problem is, I think, they're so far away and thus easy to forget.

Living in Raleigh, NC I don't see a lot of homeless/hungry people.  So it's a real eye opener when I go to LA or something (like for E3).  As the cab/bus makes it's way to the convention center, you pass under various bridges/underpasses ... invariably you'll see some homeless guys there.  It's incredible how they can be there, right next to an office building filled with people wearing suits.

Granted some of them may be there because they're drunks or whatever ... but not all of them.  This country needs to address it's own problems before worrying about the rest of the world.

Rambar
Okay, how stupid to you have to be to invest 23 million into UGO? I mean, does UGO make some kind of super crack that the guys at GRP and Missouri-based Gryphon Holdings II, LLP Inc. and their investment partners are going to be smoking gratis now? What exactly are these people getting out of this? </me wonders off to read the press release.>

The ability to SCORE IT UNDERGROUND!  If that's not worth 23 million, what is?  I mean, come on ...
#21 by "Warren Marshall"
2001-03-06 18:38:19
warren@epicgames.com www.epicgames.com
Chella
Did not realize this board was pro-starvation. Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.

The entire world is "pro starvation".  Just a quick example : spending hundreds of millions of dollars to make movies.  In L.A. no less, where hungry/homeless people stare those people in the face every day as they go home.

The problem is, as Flamethrower said: "They don't give a fuck".
#22 by "brennan"
2001-03-06 18:48:26
scott.gs@home.com
Chella said:

Did not realize this board was pro-starvation. Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.


Well, jeez, you're going to have to, after you sell your computer and donate the money to the poor in your area, right?  And your copies of Deus Ex and System Shock 2, right?  RIGHT?

No one is pro-starvation.  If you're gonna walk, then do it, but don't preach about the how uncaring everyone is toward the less fortunate, using an expensive luxury item to do so, on a message board catering to frequent users of expensive luxury items.

-brennan
#23 by "Kelster"
2001-03-06 18:55:00
kelster@planetstarsiege.com http://www.planetstarsiege.com/
Wow. Just came back from a visit to the Shack. Looks like Steven and Maarten have been screwed over by UGO as well. Check this out and donate some money if you want to keep them alive. :(

-Kel
#24 by "Morn"
2001-03-06 19:02:21
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Chella:
Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.

I think you should.

- Morn
#25 by "FunkDrunk"
2001-03-06 19:04:42
jflavius@bellatlantic.com
#18 Chella Kline responded
I have heard all these arguments before. Corrupt charities, Just the way of the world, What can I do about it I'm only one man. Blah,blah, yack, yack.
Did not realize this board was pro-starvation. Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.


Being the author of the corrupt charities post, may I reiterate something I said previously....

unless proper research is done into a charitable organization, you may find the majority of your donated money going into the pockets of the administrators of the organization, and not to the hungry.


My point was to make certain that the charity that you do donate to (and unlike most here, I actually do donate, over 2k last year, and around 20 hours service), is one that will actually use your money properly.

Although 2k is only a drop in a bucket, and 20 hours is less than 1 day, I at least, can go to bed thinking that I've contributed something, however small, to help those who need it.  

Funk
#26 by "^mortis^"
2001-03-06 19:05:58
mortis@goddamnindependent.com http://www.goddamnindependent.com
Chella:
Did not realize this board was pro-starvation. Maybe I should take my business elsewhere.


whaa?!? you must be talking about grrlgamer business or something.  what would make you think that a bunch of computer game playing guys were GOING to do?!
"christ allmighty, people are starving in the world; hmmm, Geforce3 or a truckload of sammiches?!?!"

Holyer than thou is one thing, but assuming I'M going to change the world rather than finish 'Clive Barker's Undying' is ludicrous.  

^M^
#27 by "FunkDrunk"
2001-03-06 19:08:58
jflavius@bellatlantic.com
#24 Morn?!?!?

Geez man, not you suggesting someone should leave?  You've put up with tons of other junk from other people, what makes Chella so different?

(and this is coming from one of the first people who mentioned that she had an attitude problem - see post #12 in the Freenet thread).

Funk
#28 by "deadlock"
2001-03-06 19:12:18
deadlock@eircom.net
Chella: when did anyone here say anything that could be (mis-)construed as being 'pro-starvation' as you put it ? Most of us here could probably sit around at the end of the day wondering at the woes of the world, but then, most of us here don't know what do to about them, don't feel any great motivation to do anything about them or just don't have the wherewithall.

Anyone interested in globalisation and related issues should read No Logo by Naomi Klein. Very interesting stuff.

On a sidenote, did you know that there are an estimated 27 million people trapped in slavery across the world ? And this despite the fact that there is nowhere on Earth that slavery is legal.

deadlock
#29 by "jason"
2001-03-06 19:36:49
jason@loonygames.com http://www.bluesnews.com/
Multiple revenue streams. Like ad banners, pop-up ad banners, more ad banners, selling demographic information (oh thats just GSI n/m)... Is every ad banner counted as a seperate revenue stream? How ingenious


No, UGO has a separate division that charges for hosting and other services. This portion of the company actually brings in money, and will no doubt be their #1 priority in the forseeable future if they plan to be profitable.

They also bring in money via GameDealer, although they wisely folded up their internal e-commerce and now co-produce it with EB.

-jason
#30 by "Chella Kline"
2001-03-06 19:45:40
Funk Drunk

Sorry if I lumped you in with all the whiners. I find you donations very commendable. Thank you for being part of the solution.

I don't say this to blow smoke up your ass. But I do hear lots of people saying the same crap. They seem not to understand, if you do nothing, nothing gets done. Thanks again*


*Chella Kline does not work for a charity
#31 by "Rambar"
2001-03-06 19:47:01
Thank you, Jason.

Who wants to bet everything besides the hosting is going to be gouged to the bone?  Hosting actually brings in money.  However, if you manage to kill off all of your affliates who are you going to host?  If the entire ad banner system collapses who can afford to pay for hosting?  If you can afford to pay for the hosting, why not do it yourself and save a few dollars when you're bleeding them everywhere else?
#32 by "Chella Kline"
2001-03-06 19:47:14
deadlock

Well maybe I over state my case. You guys are not Pro-starvation. But at times you callousness about such issues takes me aback. I keep forgetting most of you have never seen the face of starvation. It's probably all a rather abstract concept to you.

As to what you can do? *Note, for those offended by holier then thou, skip to the next message where somebody will probably be attempting to rip me a new ass hole*. That is your call. I feel God places us here with a destiny. We are to leave the world a better place then we found it. Most never find this destiny because they get distracted with other things, and never look for it.

I would never presume to tell you what you could do. But I can tell you if you do nothing, your part of the problem and not part of the solution.

You decide what you can do. See outside of yourself and end one persons suffering. Or maybe ten people suffering. maybe millions. Who can say how many your destiny can effect. But even if it's just one. I'm sure God is pleased.
#33 by "Narcopolo"
2001-03-06 19:49:26
Warren Marshall and FunkDrunk-  The standard of living for the homeless here in New York can be quite a bit higher than that of the starving in Africa.  I was walking with a friend not so long ago and we were hit up for change by a homeless guy who was rocking out listening to his Sony Discman.  My friend refused and told him he was doing better than my friend was.  I usually give, myself.  And the homeless don't starve here, though they may freeze or die of the heat, depending on the season.  The shelters are pretty much a no go, due to Giuliani's cutbacks.

Sponsoring a child through the Christian Children's Fund is a good thing, they don't have a lot of overhead from what I hear.  They switched up the children on my ex-girlfriend without warning her though, and that made her cut them off.

#28 deadlock:
On a sidenote, did you know that there are an estimated 27 million people trapped in slavery across the world ? And this despite the fact that there is nowhere on Earth that slavery is legal.

Slavery of a certain kind is legal in Brazil.  If you belong to a plantation, you can be shackled, and brought back with hounds and guns if you run off.   You live there, and may be worked past any labor laws.  It's like indentured servitude.  I read that in the NY Times a few years back, and I doubt things have changed much.
#34 by "Steve Bauman"
2001-03-06 20:06:00
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com http://www.manic-pop-thrills.com
Anyone complaining about corruption in charities is rationalizing their own lack of action. But if you truly believe your money isn't helping anyone, then act locally instead of globally. Work at a local soup kitchen (something I've done during holidays), give canned goods to the local church (or even leave them at the supermarket, which is what I do)... simple little things like that do actually help.
#35 by "None-1a"
2001-03-06 20:35:53
none1a@home.com
You decide what you can do. See outside of yourself and end one persons suffering. Or maybe ten people suffering. maybe millions. Who can say how many your destiny can effect. But even if it's just one. I'm sure God is pleased.


So who exactly do you want to end there suffering. Give them one meal, 10 meals. Feed them for a year, 10 years. Giveing money to a charity to buy food and clean water does nothing to solve the problem. If I had any thing to spare right now I'd be all for paying to irigate farm land or dig a clean water well (or some form of filtration that could be ran by the people in that area) and temporary help untill those things can get going, but not simply to give them food.
#36 by "Gunp01nt"
2001-03-06 20:45:05
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
Warren:
Yes, that's the problem. It's not that I don't care about those people, I do. Whenever I think of what it would be like for them, I feel very sorry for them. But what can I do? Donate money? I hardly have enough money myself (being a college student).

Steve:
Wow, you're really a good guy! Everybody in the world should be like you! Oh wait, then we'd have a world full of magazine editors...uhmmm, forget what I said =)
#37 by "The Joker"
2001-03-06 20:48:36
joker@junkextreme.com http://www.junkextreme.com
#32

*ploink*....she loves me....*ploink*....she loves me not.....*ploink*.....she loves me.....*ploink*......she loves me not......*ploink*......

Joker.
#38 by "...an ethereal being..."
2001-03-06 21:02:22
etherbe@cinci.rr.com
So who exactly do you want to end there suffering. Give them one meal, 10 meals. Feed them for a year, 10 years. Giveing money to a charity to buy food and clean water does nothing to solve the problem. If I had any thing to spare right now I'd be all for paying to irigate farm land or dig a clean water well (or some form of filtration that could be ran by the people in that area) and temporary help untill those things can get going, but not simply to give them food.


Many relief efforts are multi-layered. They give people food and water in the short term to fight the immediate problem.  They then work to identify sustainable food sources, train people in farming techniques that work in their environment, help develop water conservation programs, etc.  The video of the starving child is seen as better marketing, so they show it versus the video of 20-30 people building retention ponds that make more of the water from seasonal rains soak into the ground instead of running off to the rivers and oceans.
#39 by "Crusader"
2001-03-06 21:11:41
crusader@linuxgames.com http://www.linuxgames.com/
Run! Run! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Seriously though, this situation sucks, as I'm also hosted by a UGO affiliate. I'm dreading a day when the entire FPS community has to get all their news from GSI.... :|
#40 by "BobJustBob"
2001-03-06 21:16:56
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
I am pro-starvation.
#41 by "deadlock"
2001-03-06 21:24:10
deadlock@eircom.net
Chella - it's funny, you warn us about an upcoming bout of holier-than-thouness and then surprise me by being less condescending than usual! :P

I do agree with you and I did mean to add a bit about complacency, but these damn routers won't configure themselves ;-)

Narco: yeah, the relief agency that's running this particular campaign in Ireland uses a lose definition of slavery that includes bonded labour and indentured servitude. Trocaire, by the way, are a very well-regarded agency internationally, so anyone who is looking for a safe way to donate would do well to consider them. They are a Christian (Catholic ?) charity as far as I know, so some may have issues with that (do charities still exchange relief for souls ?).

The problem in a lot of African (and other) regions is compounded by local politics. No amount of money is going to help people if they are continually oppressed by whatever regime is in power at any one time. I'm not putting this forward as an excuse not to give - I am merely pointing out that educating the poor is almost as important as feeding them. 'Give a man fish...' and all that...

deadlock
#42 by "deadlock"
2001-03-06 21:26:42
deadlock@eircom.net
Or as Tom Morello's axe would say: arm the homeless.

deadlock
#43 by "None-1a"
2001-03-06 21:54:24
none1a@home.com
Many relief efforts are multi-layered. They give people food and water in the short term to fight the immediate problem. They then work to identify sustainable food sources, train people in farming techniques that work in their environment, help develop water conservation programs, etc.


If I had money to give I'd rather look for an agency that is stressing these activities rather then the temporary stuff. Take a look at the CCF's site (http://www.christianchildrensfund.org/) they do talk a little about the 'building' activities (very little considering this is a web site not a 30 second TV stop, where they could go more indepth about what they are doing for the long term). Yet they also proudly state how long the have been working in that area (for example they've been working in Guatemala since 1964, with assistance in agricultural development, one wonders how much attention they are paying to this to have been needed that long).
#44 by "Desiato"
2001-03-07 00:02:59
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
If only the Christian Scientists would donate all their hideous initiation fees and indoctrination money to the problem, it would be solved in say -- 5 years or so....perhaps sooner, haven't they jacked the rates up for joining?

Imagine the activity at the airports and bus terminals!! Instead of begging for donations, they could be tossing out cash to the poor!

Let the "Rich man's religon" solve it -- it fits their revenue stream.


Desiato
#45 by "Quicken"
2001-03-07 00:20:59
geoffrey@access.com.au http://www.warmage.com/
Heh heh. Didn't take this long to go off topic. I'm not pro-starvation. But I am pro-birth control so certain charity organisations don't get my money. Plus there's a difference between business and wasting money (although it can be hard to spot sometimes). With this investment UGO (and the investers) expect to get some money back. And perhaps then they might be so nice as to give it away.
#46 by "crash"
2001-03-07 01:08:48
crash@planetcrap.com
to the UGO avg-site-visit-time: their metrics count a "visit" as "any page we've served an ad to". visit Blue's for 15 mins, OMM for 15 mins, and Scary's for 15 mins, that's a 45-min visit. not too hard to see how 2.2 hours can be racked up. and yes, they do count messageboards as well.

to the "you're all pro-starvation meanies and i hate you": Chelle, i'm curious. do you actually go out there and see those people fed with your own two hands, or do you just cut a $20 check every now and then to ease your conscience so it's easier to climb on your soapbox? i'm strongly reminded of one time i was in LA and this guy had the standard "will work for food" sign, and person after person--drivin their drop-top 500SLs and their Z3s and whatnot--would toss 5 bucks at the guy to assuage their consciences and made 'em feel like They Did The Right Thing. gee whiz, folks, how about givin the guy a fucking job?

oh wait. that would be too hard and whatnot. easier to toss some change at 'em and get on with your life. or whatever.

and as a last note: not all of us believe in your God. in fact, i'd wager few people on this board do. you may want to keep that in mind in future.

and with that, i'm off to sacrifice a chicken. cya.
#47 by "Desiato"
2001-03-07 01:15:35
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
Aww crash, you could've gone all out and said something like:

"God is a crutch for the weak-minded."

Oh well.

But you're right -- quick fixes seem to be the way to handle things here, and I can tell you that if the Romans had beggars, I think in the next 100 years we will have astro-poor..it isn't something that just mysteriously disappears or fixes itself after getting tons of money infused into charities...

I digress...

So UGO -- who's next.....is the whole net going to collapse into 10 major sites?

Desiato
#48 by "crash"
2001-03-07 01:17:40
crash@planetcrap.com
Desiato (47):

Aww crash, you could've gone all out and said something like:

"God is a crutch for the weak-minded."

Oh well.

yeh, i could have, if that's what i thought, but i don't. some people adhere to it, some people don't. i happen to not be one of them. and damn, it's hard to get blood out of the carpeting. any suggestions?
#49 by "MikeCy"
2001-03-07 01:17:58
No Desiato, the whole net is merely going to collapse. Period.
#50 by "ToadWarrior"
2001-03-07 01:20:05
If you're gonna complain about homeless people, I hope you're not one of those that buys all the latest PC hardware when it comes out. You don't need it and it would help the homeless. :)

The problem with alot of homeless people is that they're drug users and alcoholics. The only way you're really gonna help them is to buy them a damn house, pay their bills and support their habit and most people aren't gonna work their ass off so someone can smoke it up all day.
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