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February 2nd 2001, 20:41 CET by Morn

I'll try to make this quick. Whenever I say this, the opposite happens, so please bear with me. :)

You know, there are times when I love PlanetCrap, and there are times when I simply hate it, and right now I hate it. The recent events and some people's comments showed me once again what a pain in the ass this site can be. Now, I've deliberately let a couple of days pass so I could tackle this with a clear head. I didn't mean to "play around" with you, as some people seem to think.

Anyway, here's the deal: A couple of days ago I really felt like simply shutting down the site for good. But, you know, hate and love being so close together, I really could never do it. I suck. I'm a m0m0. But at the same time, I've grown really, really tired of its format. So I'd like to try something new. Only problem is: I don't know <i>what</i>.

Let's take a quick look at Crapola aka PC4: Subcraps, as I feel, have been a complete waste of time. With the exception of three or so subcraps, they've only been used for testing or abusive/annoying/both purposes. Special thanks to Pianist, Funlinx, Needle and "1" for bringing me back down to Earth and reminding me that assuming people will use something responsibly is terribly naive. Once Crapola is gone, so will be the subcraps. Sorry.  (On a sidenote, the failure of subcraps is really mostly my fault, as I should have actively pushed this feature a lot more than I have.)

Registration: the only thing registration changed was that certain people suddenly felt the urge to "prove" their h4x0rness by abusing it. Thank you. You're dickheads.

Story submission: hmmmm. The biggest problem with the story submission feature was its half-assed implementation. <i>Note to myself: have moderators emailed when a new story is submitted.</i>  The second biggest problem was that there simply weren't enough <i>good</i> stories. Those which were good and we didn't miss by a couple of weeks <i>were</i> posted.

Okay, so where do we go from here? As I've already hinted, I'd like to kill Crapola and make something new. The question is: what is it going to be? You see, I'm not a journalist or writer, I'm a programmer. Writing community sites is a lot of fun to me. Being accused of running a web tabloid is not. So basically, I don't care where PlanetCrap will be heading content-wise; I'd just really like to build something cool that you people can have fun with without making my life hell; something that is different from the format PlanetCrap has had since 1998.

So please share your ideas. I will do the same.
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#1 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 20:44:12
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Here are two ideas of mine:

1) I'd like to completely get rid of the "staff". In other words, I'd love to make the site "auto-moderated" by its users. I have a couple of vague ideas how to implement this. The big problem is: looking at how people abused the subcrap feature, this may bring a lot of pain and tears right to the front page of the Crap. If you have any cool ideas regarding user moderation, let me know.

2) I think I forgot 2. Crap.

- Morn
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#2 by "Kayin"
2001-02-02 20:44:51
kayin@infinet.com
damnit morn! almost scored my first first post! ;p

* d e n i e d *<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#3 by "Kayin"
2001-02-02 20:46:57
kayin@infinet.com
subcraps were actually halfway useful at the beginning, but they're degrading into porno lesbian spam fests now. scrap 'em and just stick with one general message area, with user moderated topics me say.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#4 by "asspennies"
2001-02-02 20:52:41
asspennies@somethingawful.com
I like the idea of user-moderated topics, if it's implemented right.  I have no idea what the right way is, though.  I don't think a straight "vote" would work because how many people would simply ignore that and wait for topics to be posted?  

Subcraps - seeya.  They seemed like an interesting idea, but they never really came to fruition.  

Crapspy - long live crapspy!  A thousand peanuts to Craig.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#5 by "BobJustBob"
2001-02-02 20:54:54
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
1) How about keeping something like the SubCraps, but let the owner of the SubCrap send out invites to the people he/she wants in the discussion and be able to block anyone else from joining in?

2) Keep CrapSpy support :)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#6 by "1"
2001-02-02 20:57:10
primer55@g33k.net
AHAHAHA!!! I am the man!
#7 by "None1a"
2001-02-02 21:01:13
none1a@home.com
<b>Morn</b> (#1):
<quote>1) I'd like to completely get rid of the "staff". In other words, I'd love to make the site "auto-moderated" by its users. I have a couple of vague ideas how to implement this. The big problem is: looking at how people abused the subcrap feature, this may bring a lot of pain and tears right to the front page of the Crap. If you have any cool ideas regarding user moderation, let me know.</quote>

I do have one idea, of course it assumes the dickhead will not register, or they will at lest not out number the normal posters.

First off registration can not be a required thing, rather registration give you the ability to vote for pending stories. Any story that get say 2/3rds yes votes goes on the main page. Where the unregistered get to see/comment on it. Like I said it assumes the dickheads will not register/never out number nomral people (quite a big thing to assume), it also assumes people will not just read the story and begin commenting on it in existing topics (blocking unregistered user from reading them might help).

Along the same lines stories should require a number of total votes before going active (we'll say 10 total votes), in an attempt to stop a one vote story from going active with the author as the only vote. This also allows people to ignore the story if they did find it uninteresting. <i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#8 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 21:01:44
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
My current vision for user moderation looks like this: everybody can submit stories which are only viewable in a special area on the site (but somehow non-prominently linked to from the front page). Then, users can vote "for" or "against" the story, which adds or subtracts one point, respectively. Once a story passes a certain hardcoded score threshold, it shows up on the main page. Pretty simply stuff, and it's probably already been done at a lot of other places.

Two disadvantages: a) very likely easy to abuse, b) it would require registration again (to make voting at least a little bit secure).

Oh, I know how we could solve (b): offer registration, but don't require people to register before posting comments. Registration is only needed if you want to vote on stories or submit your own. Hey, this makes the idea look a lot better already. What does everybody think?

- Morn
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#9 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 21:03:56
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
BobJustBob (#5):
2) Keep CrapSpy support :)

That's going to be up to Craig... but I don't think the new PlanetCrap would be "too incompatible".

- Morn
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#10 by "szcx"
2001-02-02 21:05:01
nedocze@hotmail.com
Registration is only needed if you want to vote on stories or submit your own. Hey, this makes the idea look a lot better already. What does everybody think?

I like the sound of that.  One other thing, how about a setting for registered users that lets you toggle the visibility of anonymous postings?
#11 by "JohnGotti"
2001-02-02 21:05:32
jenschristensen@spilzonen.dk
1. Get rid of SubCraps
2. Get rid of Andy

http://www.avault.com/articles/print_article.asp?name=fitnews
#12 by "SubcommandantePedro"
2001-02-02 21:09:19
Subcom@zombieworld.com
As owner/operator of the #1 rated subcrap, I would be deeply saddened by the demise of subcrapdom.  I would miss bringing my own special brand of bittersweet ennui to this little corner of the web.

As food for thought, I leave you with this trenchant comment from Nietzche:

He who fights with blah might take care
lest he thereby become blah.
And if you gaze for long into blah,
the blah gazes also into you.

Think about it.
#13 by "None1a"
2001-02-02 21:10:41
none1a@home.com
<b>Morn</b> (#8):
<quote>Oh, I know how we could solve (b): offer registration, but don't require people to register before posting comments. Registration is only needed if you want to vote on stories or submit your own. Hey, this makes the idea look a lot better already. What does everybody think?</quote>

I like it (well I had better since it sounds exactly like what I was thinking, damn Craig must have put the mind reading functions back into crapspy on me:).

<b>JohnGotti</b> (#11):
<quote>1. Get rid of SubCraps
2. Get rid of Andy

<A href="http://www.avault.com/articles/print_article.asp?name=fitnews">http://www.avault.com/articles/print_article.asp?name=fitnews</A></quote>

Are you people even reading the stupid story. Other then that one section on the first page it says nothing about the register story (the vast majority is about the CPL stories).  <i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#14 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 21:14:14
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
For those of you who are still interested in running their own subcraps: chances are I'll release the next Crap's source code. That way, you can post all the porn you want on your own sites/servers. :)

- Morn
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#15 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 21:28:19
ncalton@yahoo.com
I like None1a's idea, it reminds me a bit of kuro5hin.org's.  To that end, may I also propose that registered people get a certain number of points, so that they can't just vote willy nilly.  I suppose they could take the trouble and register again in order to get more points, but it's just voting to move a story forward, so I doubt it'll be abused too much. Perhaps the points could be replenished by posting, a certain number of posts will give you back vote points, within a limit to be established.

Further, people could have the ability to spend more points on a story they thought was important enough to them to move to the front page.  My advice is to think of anything that's like auto-moderation like a game, when you design it.  I suppose it might lead to abuses of the system, which will need patches, but it could be a cool experiment.

I personally like the subcraps, to be honest.  I like Needle and Subcommandante Pedro's.  The lesbian lovefest will probably die a natural death, but blah has a subculture all it's own.  

The other subcraps can just be ignored, if you put your mind to it.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#16 by "funkdrunk"
2001-02-02 21:29:17
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
#13, None1a mused

<quote> Are you people even reading the stupid story. </quote>

There's a mixup here.  There were two storied posted, when the intent was to post 1.  The one linked here is about on-line journalism.

http://www.avault.com/articles/print_article.asp?name=fitnews

This one is about the CPL:

http://www.avault.com/articles/getarticle.asp?name=shotdark

But I think it would be in the best interest of this topic to not mention these again.  This time I think the topic is worth paying attention to.

Funk.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#17 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 21:35:53
ncalton@yahoo.com
To make an auto-moderation deal work though, there has to be enough good stories around, or something will just be activated by default.  People then will start to bitch about how unnewsworthy the main post was, probably hurt someone's feelings in the process, and then PlanetCrap 5 will end in tears.  

So, how do we make a transition to going from passively accepting stories from Andy and commenting, to becoming more active participants in the shape of PC?<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#18 by "Apache"
2001-02-02 21:41:03
apache@stomped.com
SAVE LESBOTARD!
#19 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 21:44:47
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Narcopolo, very valid ideas, just one thought:

Narcopolo (#15):
Further, people could have the ability to spend more points on a story they thought was important enough to them to move to the front page.

I'm kinda counting on the speed how quickly a story will get published largely depending on its quality, nothing else. Regarding thinking of this like a game: I really don't want to "reward" people for doing stuff on the site with points/ranks/whatever. As soon as some kind of "score" comes into play, people will start cheating, moaning, abusing and just being generally annoying.

Also, and this is really pretty importent, I'd like to keep this system as simple as possible. I just noticed that it's already not too easy to describe. Hmm.

- Morn
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#20 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 21:48:38
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Narcopolo (#17):
To make an auto-moderation deal work though, there has to be enough good stories around, or something will just be activated by default. People then will start to bitch about how unnewsworthy the main post was, probably hurt someone's feelings in the process, and then PlanetCrap 5 will end in tears.

That's a <b>very good</b> point. Looking at how many quality stories have been submitted during the Crapola era (not too many), I'm sort of scared the site would end up dead because of a lack of stories.

Hmmmm. Then again, I admit that I didn't really <i>invite</i> people to submit stories to PC. The fact that we admins never even got notified when a story was submitted was very counter-productive. Maybe PC5 <i>could</i> work if we emphasize this feature a lot?

- Morn
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#21 by "Lucky"
2001-02-02 21:50:24
lucky@planetduke.com
Seriously, just get rid of all the subcraps, get rid of Andy Smith, and PlanetCrap will be loved once more :)
#22 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 21:50:57
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
I like the idea of registered people voting for the next topic.  Maybe just a summary of the topic, and once it has gained the necessary score the full topic can be introduced?  When registered how about a number next to the persons name to show how long they been registered, better to keep track of idiots that have re-registered under 50 different names?
#23 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 21:52:06
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
I don't see any reason to get rid of Andy.  Yes he is an idiot sometimes, but he always provides topics when no one else has for weeks.
#24 by "Hambone"
2001-02-02 21:52:55
Cosmando@homestead.com

Oh, I know how we could solve (b): offer registration, but don't require people to register before posting comments. Registration is only needed if you want to vote on stories or submit your own. Hey, this makes the idea look a lot better already. What does everybody think?


I think this will solve most people's (especially your) problems with Planetcrap. That being said, you have my vote.
It will be a shame to see blah! go, but then again, when Hulkas subcrap goes down, the world will be a better place.
#25 by "BobJustBob"
2001-02-02 21:55:57
kevinakabob@mindspring.com
<b>#22</b> "gimper" wrote...
<quote>When registered how about a number next to the persons name to show how long they been registered, better to keep track of idiots that have re-registered under 50 different names?</quote>

This is a good idea, and maybe you would have to be registered for a certain amount of time before you could vote on stories, although I guess that would be a pain in the beginning, unless you could somehow transfer the registration data from PC4. Run-on sentence :)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#26 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 21:57:07
ncalton@yahoo.com
Perhaps subcraps could be saved in the form of filters.  If people are able to post to the main page, perhaps we could borrow from Slashdot, and allow people who register/have CrapSpy, to filter out all the topics they don't care about, or even want to know about.

So if people don't want any girls kissing, though I respectfully submit I can't see why, they can toggle the "lesbotard off" option.  Any ex-subcrap that wanted to be a topic would have to get approval to be allowed onto the front page.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#27 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 22:01:25
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
#22 "gimper" wrote...

When registered how about a number next to the persons name to show how long they been registered, better to keep track of idiots that have re-registered under 50 different names?


This is a good idea, and maybe you would have to be registered for a certain amount of time before you could vote on stories, although I guess that would be a pain in the beginning, unless you could somehow transfer the registration data from PC4. Run-on sentence :)


I guess I didn't need to copy it all :)

Anyway, I just think it would be nice to know who had been around for a while and who had re-registered under a different name because we were ignoring them.
#28 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 22:10:07
ncalton@yahoo.com
re: #26

This is also assuming that people vote for the blah and hulka and acrotard stories to go forward as well.  If they can't get enough votes to be activated (how might that work, is it winner takes all, or a threshold of votes?), then they wouldn't be, and wouldn't appear anywhere in fact.  But perhaps a quorum of people, like lesbian devotees, could feed enough votes to keep their dream alive.  

it'd make for some interesting power plays.  I'll trade you a vote for hulka if you'll go in for some girly action.

I know you'd all want to avoid that kind of thing taking up space in the main threads though.  So, perhaps we should settle how the main stuff will appear before we work on the subcraps.  Just please all don't give up on them yet, I think they had potential, and if Apache had kept his going you'd probably all agree they can work out.
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#29 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 22:11:47
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Being able to vote only after you've been registered for a certain amount of time is a good idea. Like 24 hours. That will at least stop the m0m0s from quickly publishing their m0m0 stories.

More ideas:

* once a story is published, it doesn't go away again (even if it suddenly gets lots of "no" votes). The only way to get rid of a story is if I delete it.

* if we go with the "game" notion after all, here's a fun idea: instead of getting points for comments, you get points for voting. If you vote "yes", and the story gets published, you get a point; if you vote "no" and a story gets dumped, you get a point, too. But you don't get a point when you vote against the story, but it gets posted after all because the majority voted for it. Am I making sense? :)  Anyway, I'm still not really happy with making PC5 "like a game", so doh.

- Morn
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#30 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 22:16:09
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
If you make it too comlicated in regards to posts 24-29 will people just stop reading?
#31 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 22:17:57
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
sorry...complicated not comlicated
#32 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 22:18:22
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
gimper (#30):
If you make it too comlicated in regards to posts 24-29 will people just stop reading?

My thoughts exactly. I feel very tempted to make everything a bit "game" like, but maybe I should save that for another project. Ahem.

- Morn
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#33 by "gimper"
2001-02-02 22:22:08
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
I'm not saying leave the game idea completly.  You just need to find a happy medium that keeps the people who want to read it around, but somehow discourages the idiots.
#34 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 22:24:17
ncalton@yahoo.com
Morn, #29:

I'm still not really happy with making PC5 "like a game",


I'm not really sure how you can avoid it.  I haven't thought too hard in that direction, but I think that if you have a certain number of people trying to move a topic in a direction, a concerted effort, then it becomes political.  We already have all these games at PC already.  The first post game, they're trying to have a last post marathon in another thread.  

Most of us would like to have a serious discussion about games/game biz with good topics, definitely.  But the mechanism of how these topics get posted has to "be a game", if it's going to work automatically.  We can always resurrect my idea of rotating moderators, though that might (would) get political too, unless it were random.  Pianist might become a moderator if his name came out of a hat.  

some of you shivered, but he's actually pretty clever, at least he can make some humorous acronyms.  Not the end of the world, because his term would be up soon enough, and then PC would move on.  Or we could have several rotating moderators.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#35 by "Needle"
2001-02-02 22:25:47
mrklp@hotmail.com
Morn,

Special thanks to Pianist, Funlinx, Needle and "1" for bringing me back down to Earth and reminding me that assuming people will use something responsibly is terribly naive.


Is this what I've become?  A PC llama?  I was so distracted by the lesbians I didn't even see it coming.  How could I have been so blind?

The entire subcrap started as a joke after the discussion in the Less gaming = less aggression thread turned to everybody talking about kissing lesbians.  I never thought it would even last two days.   Right from the first post I said I would take it down if you had any objections.  Maybe it was a little Andy-ish of me to assume silence equals consent, but I honestly didn't think it was an issue.  I received lots of feedback, all of it positive (except for Broussard saying "Bah - this is weak") and that's why I continued to update it even after the lesbo-kissing madness in Less gaming = less aggression had ended.

I suppose the joke got a little out control.  But if I had known you were this unhappy with the way the subcrap feature was being used, and I was contributing to your decision to kill the whole thing, I wouldn't have done it.

So, for what it's worth (177+ kissing lesbians, maybe?), I apologize to everyone for helping ruin PlanetCrap v4 =(
#36 by "Morn"
2001-02-02 22:30:16
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Needle (#35):
So, for what it's worth (177+ kissing lesbians, maybe?), I apologize to everyone for helping ruin PlanetCrap v4 =(

You didn't <i>ruin</i> it at all -- it was just a bit depressing to see the subcrap feature being used for that kind of stuff <i>only</i>. But, as I said, I could have done something about it and didn't. Shame on me.

- Morn
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#37 by "rook268"
2001-02-02 22:31:00
mindeman2@home.com
For self moderated systems, kuro5hin.org and half-empty.org seem to have something fairly decent worked out.
#38 by "Apache"
2001-02-02 22:32:59
apache@stomped.com
sheesh, if it weren't for lesbotard I don't think I'd even bother coming here with all the turmoil lately. :)
#39 by "Frain"
2001-02-02 22:34:22
frain@bigfoot.com
<b>rook268</b> wrote in #37:
<quote>For self moderated systems, kuro5hin.org and half-empty.org seem to have something fairly decent worked out.</quote>
Darn you! I wanted to post that! I don't know about k5, but half-empty released their code as open source and they seem to have a pretty complicated point system that I can't quite grasp right now because my head is slowly falling forward as I'm typing this.

<b>Morn</b> wrote in #36:
<quote>Shame on me.</quote>
Yeah, you suck morn ;)

Good night.

Frain<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#40 by "Therac"
2001-02-02 22:37:50
zenfnord@hotmail.com
Morn,

Since I have no opinion on such Grand Schemes as moderation, and have been an eternal non-presence on planetcrap dating back to v1, I'd just like to make a small usability request that's going to apply regardless of the strategemo involved in posting stories.

Can you add a tag, analoguous to the "quote" tag, but would be "aquote" (attributed quote, if you have lavish acronymial desires that need to be sated), and would be used as such :

[aquote=33]
I'm not saying leave the game idea completly. You just need to find a happy medium that keeps the people who want to read it around, but somehow discourages the idiots.
[/aquote]

this would render itself as  :

gimper (#33) wrote:

I'm not saying leave the game idea completly. You just need to find a happy medium that keeps the people who want to read it around, but somehow discourages the idiots.


Not all of us have a desire to use CrapSpy, and I think this would be a useful little addition that would improve the cosmetics, if not the content, of the discussion.
#41 by "Narcopolo"
2001-02-02 22:40:10
ncalton@yahoo.com
kuro5hin does have a good thing going, but it also just kind of dawned on me that PlanetCrap is not as big as kuro5hin, and the point scoring system might be cumbersome, like Morn mentioned.  By the time enough people had voted on a story, pretty much everyone would have already read it.

Maybe we can have rotating voters!  OK, now it might seem like I'm trying to make some kind of Frankenstein monster from all the other ideas, but this conceivably could work.  On logging into PlanetCrap, random registered people would be notified that they had two weeks to vote on stories, along with a dozen other people.  Those people would determine what got activated during their term, and then it would switch.  Meanwhile the rest of us would just do our normal PC thing, hopefully submitting more stories in the meantime.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#42 by "rook268"
2001-02-02 22:45:40
mindeman2@home.com
Darn you! I wanted to post that! I don't know about k5, but half-empty released their code as open source and they seem to have a pretty complicated point system that I can't quite grasp right now because my head is slowly falling forward as I'm typing this.


Heh, I always seem to steal people's fun somehow.

Anyway, both are open source projects, so someone could snag code from either one, except that they're written in Perl and Java, respectively.
#43 by "CharlieWiederhold"
2001-02-02 22:50:16
charliew@3drealms.com
sheesh, if it weren't for lesbotard I don't think I'd even bother coming here with all the turmoil lately. :)


Crap. I just agreed with Apache.

My life is ruined now. See, there you go again Needle... just screwing things up for the rest of us! Have you no shame?

Charlie Wiederhold
#44 by "None1a"
2001-02-02 22:58:08
none1a@home.com
<b>Morn</b> (#29):
<quote>Being able to vote only after you've been registered for a certain amount of time is a good idea. Like 24 hours. That will at least stop the m0m0s from quickly publishing their m0m0 stories.</quote>

I like it.

<quote>
More ideas:
* once a story is published, it doesn't go away again (even if it suddenly gets lots of "no" votes). The only way to get rid of a story is if I delete it.</quote>

That one I like, but maybe rather then only you removeing them, some other admins could be apointed to keep the pending section clean off older crap. The way I see it every admin would have to delete the story for it to be remove, this way any thing cridical of one would not be deleted (say a good article on the state or some of your sites, not that I think would you delete such a thing but it coudl avoid acusations flying).

<quote>

* if we go with the "game" notion after all, here's a fun idea: instead of getting points for comments, you get points for voting. If you vote "yes", and the story gets published, you get a point; if you vote "no" and a story gets dumped, you get a point, too. But you don't get a point when you vote against the story, but it gets posted after all because the majority voted for it. Am I making sense? :) Anyway, I'm still not really happy with making PC5 "like a game", so doh-
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I think they'd end up trying to vote for the winner in the last few hours of voting. You know o look Reallygood Story has 15 yes to 7 no I'll vote yes and get a point. Even with hidden vote totals the other active topics would likly end up in a vote yes for ReallyGood Story post.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#45 by "Therac"
2001-02-02 22:59:07
zenfnord@hotmail.com
Fine, I do have something to say.

All these suggestions are going to have problems.  It looks like you're all trying to create a mutant offspring of kuroshin and osopinion - long winded, biased articles about the gaming industry written by the users.

I guess there isn't anything wrong with that, but I like the idea of super-configurable filters, and I think Morn would find this idea interesting =)

Every story gets 'posted' (there is no 'waiting room') and is assigned one or more categories (i.e. an article that invovles whining about the number of bugs in Team Arena would be under the categories 'quake3', 'idsoftware', 'missionpack', 'bugs', 'rushed software', and possibly 'review').

Users (which must register - anonymous users would get all of the stories) can then conifigure any number of filters they want.

The UI for the filters would allow you to filter out/in any category or combination of categories.  This has to remain simple, but you could do something like 'all quake 3 articles that don't talk about bugs or rushed software' or some such boolean statement based on the presesnce of categories in the story.

A 'waiting room' could be created by using a category of 'pending', and filtering appropriately.

I honsetly don't mind the way it is/was on the pre-PC4 days - with a set number of story posters who... post shit.

But then again, I'm a passive consumer at heart, so...
#46 by "Therac"
2001-02-02 23:01:13
zenfnord@hotmail.com
I forgot to finish my point... not enough coffee today...

basically, by every user being able to filter in/out whatever stories they wanted, and being able to have any number of filters, it would allow each user to create thier own set of subcraps from the seething mass of chaos that the posting queue would become.

these filters could also be shared a'la subcrap themes can be now, if the users desire that.
#47 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2001-02-02 23:08:48
pianist@canada.com
Just leave the site exactly like it is, but stop submitting new stories. Lock them all except Less Gaming = Less Agression, and everyone will post there about whatever tickles their fancy.

Fast Forward 2 years: Morn is elected President of Earth.

I haven't figured out what comes between those yet.






Also I'm high on the smack!!!!!
#48 by "Therac"
2001-02-02 23:17:23
zenfnord@hotmail.com
to expand on my idea (I'm not very coherent right now), there would be a default set of filters for the anonymous users, and people could freely copy these into thier profile.  so you could have an 'fps' section, (or an 'fps' 'counterstrike' section), and an 'mmorpg' section, etc off of the main page, or whatever, but registered users could do whatever they want to thier page.

note that i'm visualizing the list of potential categories to be very large.  although it should be controlled somehow.  that, any 'waiting room' scheme that you decide upon, and verification that the categories of an article accurately represent the content would be where the social issues (voting, moderating, etc) would have to be focused, but it's really a minimal amount of work compared to voting on the story itself.  

basically, it forces the user to do the work for setting up how they want to see the

also, you can filter on date.  perhaps filter on date (older than a day or two) and number of comments for the anonymous users on the front page.  i.e. have 'hot stories' as the default for anonymous viewage.

one thing, and i think I speak for most people here, but then again I thought I could get this idea out coherenetly and I can't, is that moderation of comments is bad.  it's unoriginal, uses tons of cpu cycles, and just breeds bitterness and idiocy.  also, changing the flat view of PC would be bad, as that's one of PC's trademarks.  if I want nested comments, I'll go elsewhere or something.
#49 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2001-02-02 23:19:39
pianist@canada.com
Two words: First Post Contests.
#50 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2001-02-02 23:22:57
pianist@canada.com
50TH.                    POST.







BEE.                                            OTCHES.
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